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The MPAA apparently is not happy if there are perfectly legal political parties which oppose the current form of copyright and thus endanger the MPAA's very existence (at least if the can not adapt to the change). Thus Dean Garfield, director of MPAA’s anti-piracy department, decided to create FUD (= Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) and disinformation:

“There’s nothing about what the Pirate Bay does or what the Pirate Party does that is legitimate. There’s nothing philosophically principled about it. They steal copyright content and accept advertising dollars based on taking other people’s work. There’s nothing noble about it.”


Errr, right... we are only a global movement with one goal in some which is a reform of copyright to make filesharing legal (it is not even the reason why I am in the party), we only registered as political party in Sweden, Germany, Austria, Russia, Brazil, South Africa, the USA, Peru, Poland, Spain, Argentina, Finland, Chile, Bulgaria, Norway, Italy, and Switzerland, which is what a criminal organization would surely do. And we only have the issue of filesharing because that is all we care for, we are not also against surveillance, patents, closed source in governments, privacy, better education and so on. Go away, these points in our programmes do not exist!

I am slightly annoyed to be called a criminal before my first morning coffee!

Source: http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-pirate-party-politicians-are-thieves-070912/

The really asinine part is that PB doesn't actually host the files. It only hosts links, which in itself is actually not a form of copyright infringement no matter how much the MPAA wants it to be. Linking cannot be copyright infringement because it's just to a pointer. PB hasn't stolen any of the material in question. Linking does not steal movies or anything like that.

The really asinine part is that PB doesn't actually host the files. It only hosts links, which in itself is actually not a form of copyright infringement no matter how much the MPAA wants it to be. Linking cannot be copyright infringement because it's just to a pointer. PB hasn't stolen any of the material in question. Linking does not steal movies or anything like that.

If linking to torrents is illegal, then Google, and every other search engine, is doing something illegal.

A few years ago, the MPAA sent me a letter via my ISP threatening me with US laws. I'm British. I laughed, wrote "do not threaten me with American laws" in thick black marker on the first page of the three page letter, then sent it back to the address provided.

I never heard back.

Just remember: With every idiotic statement, MPAA shoves itself further into the category of "put up or shut up".

And sooner or later, it won't be able to put up. At that point, everybody else wins.

The really asinine part is that PB doesn't actually host the files. It only hosts links, which in itself is actually not a form of copyright infringement no matter how much the MPAA wants it to be. Linking cannot be copyright infringement because it's just to a pointer. PB hasn't stolen any of the material in question. Linking does not steal movies or anything like that.
They managed to shut down suprnova.org for a few years.

They managed to shut down suprnova.org for a few years.

Strictly speaking, suprnova was shut down voluntarily. If the MPAA had went to court it's likely suprnova would've won, but at a massive cost.

Strictly speaking, suprnova was shut down voluntarily. If the MPAA had went to court it's likely suprnova would've won, but at a massive cost.

Which of course is the point. They don't have to win or be right - they just have to stretch the case long enough until the owners go bankrupt, give up or are forgotten.

They think that a surge of legal action will improve the security of copyrighted material, but they are actually creating more piracy than they are stomping out by pissing off the legitimate netizens with their militaristic presence.
It's like a game of whack-a-mole, and they are losing; if they shut down one site, two more pop up elsewhere.
They are losing more and more public support every day.
They may have sold their actions with lies, but the people can see through them now.
We must impeach...

Wait, what were we talking about?

Right, impeach everyone who voted for the DMCA :p

If linking to torrents is illegal, then Google, and every other search engine, is doing something illegal.

A few years ago, the MPAA sent me a letter via my ISP threatening me with US laws. I'm British. I laughed, wrote "do not threaten me with American laws" in thick black marker on the first page of the three page letter, then sent it back to the address provided.

I never heard back.

How did they find out who you were in the first place?

Errr, right... we are only a global movement with one goal in some which is a reform of copyright to make filesharing legal (it is not even the reason why I am in the party), we only registered as political party in [. . .] the USA, [. . .]

Uhh, not really. The biggest accomplishment in a year of work is we're finally trying. In Utah.

Utah. Bastion of conservatism.

Their site should change the "we should be a party in the next few weeks!" claim. It's been there since last July.


Honestly, I'd love to work for them. However, there is not nearly enough support here. (Mainly because so few know about it.) I wouldn't count us.


And fuck the MPAA for calling me a criminal. One of the things on the list for "where to move if I left the US" is semi-immunity from those wackos.

How did they find out who you were in the first place?

They don't find out who you are, they track the IP to the ISP, and bitch to them. I got an email like that. The ISP doesn't monitor what you do, but bastards do, and trace IPs back to the ISP.

They don't find out who you are, they track the IP to the ISP, and bitch to them. I got an email like that. The ISP doesn't monitor what you do, but bastards do, and trace IPs back to the ISP.

So random people can find out the IP addresses of other people downloading torrents? Is that even legal?

So random people can find out the IP addresses of other people downloading torrents? Is that even legal?
...

Open up BitTorrent or BitComet or whatever. The IPs of the other peers are listed. Erm... or... so I hear... *coughs*

So random people can find out the IP addresses of other people downloading torrents? Is that even legal?

It's necessary for the software to work; it connects directly between peers, and you can't do that without a network address.

So random people can find out the IP addresses of other people downloading torrents? Is that even legal?

Considering it is how torrents function... yes ;)

How did they find out who you were in the first place?

They listed a torrent file and URL of a movie I'd downloaded. Presumably they were scanning the torrent tracker for IPs then sending off emails to the ISPs of those IPs.

So random people can find out the IP addresses of other people downloading torrents? Is that even legal?

It's not hidden. The way Bittorrent is built requires that your IP is available to other sharers/leachers/etc so that the file can be transferred. Anyone with the same torrent can see whoever is sharing.

However, a standard trace ends at the ISPs doorstep. From there, either you break into ISP security or you demand they give you the physical address of your IP.

They'll get your state, city, and depending on ISP saturation, maybe which quadrant of the city. But that's about it barring legal or illegal action.

Thanks all.

Which of course is the point. They don't have to win or be right - they just have to stretch the case long enough until the owners go bankrupt, give up or are forgotten.
But suprnova.org is back. They're being sponsored by PB. I doubt they're going to give in now. :)

The only reason that the MPAA and the RIAA is getting away with its shit is because they use fearmongering tactics to force the public into silent complacency. Once the public says enough is enough the politicians who have allowed the MPAA and the RIAA to remain propped up will pay. It's political suicide.

But suprnova.org is back. They're being sponsored by PB. I doubt they're going to give in now. :)

The only reason that the MPAA and the RIAA is getting away with its shit is because they use fearmongering tactics to force the public into silent complacency. Once the public says enough is enough the politicians who have allowed the MPAA and the RIAA to remain propped up will pay. It's political suicide.
Wrong. That would assume that the majority of people are computer users and are familiar with torrents and would fight back. They arn't and arn't. The MPAA and RIAA have a lobby plenty powerful enough to override a relative handful of pro-torrent people. File sharing will be federally outlawed before legalized.

Which of course is the point. They don't have to win or be right - they just have to stretch the case long enough until the owners go bankrupt, give up or are forgotten.

Which is why the last time I was on torrentspy, they'd blocked searches by American users. :mad:

Wrong. That would assume that the majority of people are computer users and are familiar with torrents and would fight back. They arn't and arn't. The MPAA and RIAA have a lobby plenty powerful enough to override a relative handful of pro-torrent people. File sharing will be federally outlawed before legalized.

That's the thing, people aren't so, fearmongering works. It's easy to spread misinformation. Only when the public is no longer happy with complacency will this change. Only when they know better.

Which is why the last time I was on torrentspy, they'd blocked searches by American users. :mad:

A sad day indeed. I'm going to miss their user friendly interface.

A sad day indeed. I'm going to miss their user friendly interface.

I use Mininova these days, and quite like their interface, but for sheer number of indexed torrents Isohunt is a godsend.

I use Mininova these days, and quite like their interface, but for sheer number of indexed torrents Isohunt is a godsend.

I'm almost certain he was referring to the giant number of porn links on any page you visit on torrentspy.

I'm almost certain he was referring to the giant number of porn links on any page you visit on torrentspy.

How is that different from any other torrent?

How is that different from any other torrent?
jamendo.com has no pr0n, but might not be what you want.

They don't find out who you are, they track the IP to the ISP, and bitch to them. I got an email like that. The ISP doesn't monitor what you do, but bastards do, and trace IPs back to the ISP.maybe we need to give our business to ISPs with cojones.

AoL is out.. :D

The MPAA apparently is not happy if there are perfectly legal political parties which oppose the current form of copyright and thus endanger the MPAA's very existence (at least if the can not adapt to the change). Thus Dean Garfield, director of MPAA’s anti-piracy department, decided to create FUD (= Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) and disinformation:


Errr, right... we are only a global movement with one goal in some which is a reform of copyright to make filesharing legal (it is not even the reason why I am in the party), we only registered as political party in Sweden, Germany, Austria, Russia, Brazil, South Africa, the USA, Peru, Poland, Spain, Argentina, Finland, Chile, Bulgaria, Norway, Italy, and Switzerland, which is what a criminal organization would surely do. And we only have the issue of filesharing because that is all we care for, we are not also against surveillance, patents, closed source in governments, privacy, better education and so on. Go away, these points in our programmes do not exist!

I am slightly annoyed to be called a criminal before my first morning coffee!

Source: http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-pirate-party-politicians-are-thieves-070912/

1. Of course the MPAA "is not happy if there are perfectly legal political parties which oppose the current form of copyright and thus endanger the MPAA's very existence." You expect them to be gleeful about it?

2. There is a difference between saying the piracy movement is not legitimate and calling it a criminal organization or its members criminals. Your hyperbolic overreaction nonwithstanding.

3. Who do you think you are kidding? The piracy movement is primarily centered around the elimination of intellectual property, with a dash of concern for (primarily internet) privacy. Check the Declaration of Principles.

4. Heaven forbid that someone suggest that piracy of copyrighted materials is an illegitimate activity. I know it is not popular on the internet to suggest that people should actually pay for copyrighted or patented materials, but that hardly makes that position FUD.

**ducks into bunker and prepares for incoming fire**

1. Of course the MPAA "is not happy if there are perfectly legal political parties which oppose the current form of copyright and thus endanger the MPAA's very existence." You expect them to be gleeful about it?

2. There is a difference between saying the piracy movement is not legitimate and calling it a criminal organization or its members criminals. Your hyperbolic overreaction nonwithstanding.

3. Who do you think you are kidding? The piracy movement is primarily centered around the elimination of intellectual property, with a dash of concern for (primarily internet) privacy. Check the Declaration of Principles.

4. Heaven forbid that someone suggest that piracy of copyrighted materials is an illegitimate activity. I know it is not popular on the internet to suggest that people should actually pay for copyrighted or patented materials, but that hardly makes that position FUD.yes, but...

any legislation (law) the MPAA+RIAA may want to use against
Internet users.. stops at the borders.

For example the Legislations of Canada and Mexico may be a bit different.
Canada may not want to send to jail a teenager who did load his Ipod.

**ducks into bunker and prepares for incoming fire**I am sure they all respect your CV

and they should.

Lol apparently the MPAA don't know what common ownership under socialist doctrine is. nvm, my ideology and my disregard of property rights does not require them to agree...

1. Of course the MPAA "is not happy if there are perfectly legal political parties which oppose the current form of copyright and thus endanger the MPAA's very existence." You expect them to be gleeful about it?
no, but I do not expect them to lie their butts off against us.

2. There is a difference between saying the piracy movement is not legitimate and calling it a criminal organization or its members criminals. Your hyperbolic overreaction nonwithstanding.
I do not in the least understand what you mean. You imply that the Mafia-members are all law abiding citizens because only their organization is criminal?

3. Who do you think you are kidding? The piracy movement is primarily centered around the elimination of intellectual property, with a dash of concern for (primarily internet) privacy. Check the Declaration of Principles.
I know the the US-American pirate party is the most radical party among us.I also know that IP is a misleading term which should not be used for the sake of clarity and better understanding. We are against most forms of patents, we are against things like the DMCA or the 2nd basket but we do understand that artists have an interest in making money. See things like Kulturflatrate (I only know the German term) for a pareto-optimal replacement of the current system.

Oh and BTW: I'm in the PP of Germany for the privacy aspects and those against censorship.

4. Heaven forbid that someone suggest that piracy of copyrighted materials is an illegitimate activity. I know it is not popular on the internet to suggest that people should actually pay for copyrighted or patented materials, but that hardly makes that position FUD.


The FUD is that people who want the law changed are members of a criminal organization which only wants Tom Cruise to starve.

BTW: Yes, I DL like spellbound, but it's not a big issue because it's only OpenSource-ed and CCed materials which I torrent.

I'm almost certain he was referring to the giant number of porn links on any page you visit on torrentspy.

Oh, I see. I used adblock so I've never seen them.

It's capitalist cronies like the MPAA who will stop at nothing to force their profit mongering utilitarianism on the free and open nature of the internet. The socialization of the internet is inevitable, and p2p sharing software like torrents and the like will always ensure the corporatist cronies cannot force their reactionary capitalistic dogmas down our throats. I have basically paid for no software I have, and this I am proud of.

<Shameless Plug> There will be a pirate Party UK meeting tonight, anyone interested int eh Pirate Party and from the UK should telegram me.</plug>

So random people can find out the IP addresses of other people downloading torrents? Is that even legal?Every time you connect to another computer via the internet, your computer gives the other its IP address and vise-versa. It is the easiest thing to get from you. Many forums display it, this one does not, but the mods can still see it (that's how they know who a puppet belongs to).