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The innovation fallacy

PsychoticDan
13-09-2007, 23:58
Somebody wrote, "individually we are capable of brilliance, but as a species we are no smarter than the algal mats whoes bodies created the oil we now rely on for our survival."

The core concept that has to be grasped to make sense of the future looming up before us, it seems to me, is the concept of limits. Central to ecology, and indeed all the sciences, this concept has failed so far to find any wider place in the mindscape of industrial society.

The recent real estate bubble is simply another example of our culture’s cult of limitlessness at work, as real estate investors insisted that housing prices were destined to keep on rising forever.

Of course those claims proved to be dead wrong, as they always are, but the fact that they keep on being made – it’s been only a few years, after all, since the same rhetoric was disproven just as dramatically in the tech stock bubble of the late 1990s – shows just how allergic most modern people are to the idea that there’s an upper limit to anything.

It’s this same sort of thinking that drives the common belief that limits on industrial society’s access to energy can be overcome by technological innovations. This claim looks plausible at first glance, since the soaring curve of energy use that defines recent human history can be credited to technological innovations that allowed human societies to get at the huge reserves of fossil fuels stored inside the planet. The seemingly logical corollary is that we can just repeat the process, coming up with innovations that will give us ever increasing supplies of energy forever.

Most current notions about the future are based on some version of this belief. The problem, and it’s not a small one, is that the belief itself is based on a logical fallacy.

One way to see how this works – or, more precisely, doesn’t work – is to trace the same process in a setting less loaded with emotions and mythic narratives than the future of industrial society. Imagine for a moment, then, that we’re discussing an experiment involving microbes in a petri dish. The culture medium in the dish contains 5% of a simple sugar that the microbes can eat, and 95% of a more complex sugar they don’t have the right enzymes to metabolize. We put a drop of fluid containing microbes into the dish, close the lid, and watch. Over the next few days, a colony of microbes spreads through the culture medium, feeding on the simple sugar.

Then a mutation happens, and one microbe starts producing an enzyme that lets it feed on the more abundant complex sugar. Drawing on this new food supply, the mutant microbe and its progeny spread rapidly, outcompeting the original strain, until finally the culture medium is full of mutant microbes. At this point, though, the growth of the microbes is within hailing distance of the limits of the supply of complex sugar. As we watch the microbes through our microscopes, we might begin to wonder whether they can produce a second mutation that will let them continue to thrive. Yet this obvious question misleads, because there is no third sugar in the culture medium for another mutation to exploit.

The point that has to be grasped here is as crucial as it is easy to miss. The mutation gave the microbes access to an existing supply of highly concentrated food; it didn’t create the food out of thin air. If the complex sugar hadn’t existed, the mutation would have yielded no benefit at all. As the complex sugar runs out, further mutations are possible – some microbes might end up living on microbial waste products; others might kill and eat other microbes; still others might develop some form of photosynthesis and start creating sugars from sunlight – but all these possibilities draw on resources much less concentrated and abundant than the complex sugar that made the first mutation succeed so spectacularly. Nothing available to the microbes will allow them to continue to flourish as they did in the heyday of the first mutation.

Does this same logic apply to human beings? A cogent example from 20th century history argues that it does. When the Second World War broke out in 1939, Germany arguably had the most innovative technology on the planet. All through the war, German technology stayed far ahead of the opposition, fielding jet aircraft, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, guided bombs, and many other advances years before anybody else. Their great vulnerability was a severe shortage of petroleum reserves, and even this area saw dramatic technological advances: Germany developed effective methods of CTL (coal to liquids) fuel production, and put them to work as soon as it became clear that the oil fields of southern Russia were permanently out of reach.

The results are instructive. Despite every effort to replace petroleum with CTL and other energy resources, the German war machine ran out of gas. By 1944 the Wehrmacht was struggling to find fuel even for essential operations. The outcome of the Battle of the Bulge in the winter of 1944-5 is credited by many military historians to the raw fact that the German forces didn’t have enough fuel to follow up the initial success of their Ardennes offensive. The most innovative technology on the planet, backed up with substantial coal reserves and an almost limitless supply of slave labor, proved unable to find a replacement for cheap abundant petroleum.

It’s worthwhile to note that more than sixty years later, no one has done any better. Compare the current situation with the last two energetic transitions – the transition from wind and water power to coal in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, and the transition from coal to petroleum at the beginning of the 20th – and a key distinction emerges. In both the earlier cases, the new energy resource took a dominant place in the industrial world’s economies while the older ones were still very much in use. The world wasn’t in any great danger of running out of wind and water in 1750, when coal became the mainspring of the industrial revolution, and peak coal was still far in the future in 1900 when oil seized King Coal’s throne.

The new fuels took over because they were more concentrated and abundant than the competition, and those factors made them more economical than older resources. In both cases a tide of technological advance followed the expansion of energy resources, and was arguably an effect of that expansion rather than its cause. In the 1950s and 1960s many people expected nuclear power to repeat the process – those of my readers who were around then will recall the glowing images of atomic-powered cities in the future that filled the popular media in those days. Nothing of the kind happened, because nuclear power proved to be much less economical than fossil fuels. Only massive government subsidies, alongside the hidden “energy subsidy” it received from an economy powered by cheap fossil fuels, made nuclear power look viable at all.

Mind you, uranium contains a very high concentration of energy, though the complex systems needed to mine, process, use, and clean up after it probably use more energy than the uranium itself contains. Most other resources touted as solutions to peak oil either contain much lower concentrations of energy per unit than petroleum, or occur in much lower abundance. This isn’t accidental; the laws of thermodynamics mandate that on average, the more concentrated an energy source is, the less abundant it will be, and vice versa. They also mandate that all energy transfers move from higher to lower concentrations, and this means that you can’t concentrate energy without using energy to do it. Really large amounts of concentrated energy occur on earth only as side effects of energy cycles in the biosphere that unfold over geological time – that’s where coal, oil, and natural gas come from – and then only in specific forms and locations. It took 500 million years to create our planet’s stockpile of fossil fuels. Once they’re gone, what’s left is mostly diffuse sources such as sunlight and wind, and trying to concentrate these so they can power industrial society is like trying to make a river flow uphill.

Thus the role of technological innovation in the rise of industrial economies is both smaller and more nuanced than it’s often claimed to be. Certain gateway technologies serve the same function as the mutations in the biological model used earlier in this post; they make it possible to draw on already existing resources that weren’t accessible to other technological suites. At the same time, it’s the concentration and abundance of the resource in question that determines how much a society will be able to accomplish with it. Improvements to the gateway technology can affect this to a limited extent, but such improvements suffer from a law of diminishing returns backed up, again, by the laws of thermodynamics.

Innovation is a necessary condition for the growth and survival of industrial society, in other words, but not a sufficient condition. If energy resources aren’t available in sufficient quality and quantity, innovation can make a successful society but it won’t make or maintain an industrial one. It’s worth suggesting that the maximum possible level of economic development in a society is defined by the abundance and concentration of energy resources available to that society. It’s equally possible, though this is rather more speculative, that the maximum possible technological level of an intelligent species anywhere in the universe is defined by the abundance and concentration of energy resources on the planet where that species evolves. (We’ll be talking more about this in next week’s post.)

What we’re discussing here is an application of one of the central principles of ecology. Liebig’s law – named after the 19th century German agronomist Justus von Liebig, who first proposed it – holds that the maximum growth of a community of organisms is limited by whatever necessary factor in the environment is in shortest supply. A simpler way of stating this law is that necessary resources aren’t interchangeable. If your garden bed needs phosphorus, adding nitrogen to it won’t help, and if it’s not getting enough sunlight, all the fertilizer in the world won’t boost growth beyond a certain point.

For most of human history, the resource that has been in shortest supply has arguably been energy. For the last three hundred years, and especially for the last three-fourths of a century, that’s been less true than ever before. Today, however, the highly concentrated and abundant energy resources stockpiled by the biosphere over the last half billion years or so are running low, and there are no other resources on or around Earth at the same level of concentration and abundance. Innovation is vital if we’re to deal with the consequences of that reality, but it can’t make the laws of thermodynamics run backwards and give us an endless supply of concentrated energy just because we happen to want one.

http://www.energybulletin.net/34660.html
Agerias
14-09-2007, 00:11
I've known about this a long time, but I couldn't have put it better myself.

Civilization as it is now is not sustainable, unless we find a sustainable energy source for our industries. Solar panels don't fuel a steel mill.
Indri
14-09-2007, 00:19
TL;DR.

lol.
Neu Leonstein
14-09-2007, 01:01
The recent real estate bubble is simply another example of our culture’s cult of limitlessness at work, as real estate investors insisted that housing prices were destined to keep on rising forever.
And, barring some sort of catastrophe, they are. Just not in a straight line.

Anyways, I don't get the point of the article. Is he saying that because Germany couldn't make alternative fuels 60 years ago we're all dooomed?

Or does is he actually arrogant enough to assume that just because he doesn't know of an alternative to oil, no one can?

Powering cars is pretty straightforward. Companies are working hard at improving efficiency (http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,505318,00.html), and eventually moving away from fossil fuels entirely.

I know less about the chemistry of making plastics and the like. Rest assured that once oil prices get high enough, alternatives will be researched and found.

And regarding food production, biotechnology can take care of anything oil leaves behind and more.

So, really, apart from being questionable as far as the facts are concerned...what is the guy's point? What does he want us to do? Or you, PsychoticDan, what do you want us to do?
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
14-09-2007, 01:16
What does he want us to do? Or you, PsychoticDan, what do you want us to do?
Scream, cower, die.
In that order.
PsychoticDan
14-09-2007, 01:25
And, barring some sort of catastrophe, they are. Just not in a straight line.In straight dollars, sure. But in relative value, no.

Anyways, I don't get the point of the article. Is he saying that because Germany couldn't make alternative fuels 60 years ago we're all dooomed?

Or does is he actually arrogant enough to assume that just because he doesn't know of an alternative to oil, no one can?

Powering cars is pretty straightforward. Companies are working hard at improving efficiency (http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,505318,00.html), and eventually moving away from fossil fuels entirely.

I know less about the chemistry of making plastics and the like. Rest assured that once oil prices get high enough, alternatives will be researched and found.

And regarding food production, biotechnology can take care of anything oil leaves behind and more.

So, really, apart from being questionable as far as the facts are concerned...what is the guy's point? What does he want us to do? Or you, PsychoticDan, what do you want us to do?

The point of the article is that energy density is what makes technology possible - not the other way around. Like the enzyme example he gives, without the available energy technology is possible and there is yet to be discovered anything on Earth with both the abundance and energy density of fossil fuels.

As to what he or I want you to do? I dunno.
Neu Leonstein
14-09-2007, 01:31
In straight dollars, sure. But in relative value, no.
Not sure what you mean by relative value. Relative to other stuff, housing can become more expensive over time, though it might not.

My point is that there is a limited supply of land, and ever-increasing demand for it. The price has got nowhere to go but up, unless some sort of catastrophe reduces demand for a long, long time.

The point of the article is that energy density is what makes technology possible - not the other way around.
And I disagree. At best it's a two-way relationship in which technology increases energy density though improving efficiency and discovering new sources of energy.

And we should keep in mind that we didn't have any energy density to speak of when we first developed new technologies.

As to what he or I want you to do? I dunno.
Hmm. You may have to figure that out, or people are going to be pretty indifferent to what you have to say.
CoallitionOfTheWilling
14-09-2007, 01:37
TL;DR.

lol.

Then don't post.
Ruby City
14-09-2007, 01:38
It is possible we will run into a limit for how much we can squeeze out of one planet before we learn how to terraform Mars. I'm sure we'll come up with an alternative to oil in time but terraforming is very far into the distant future so maybe we'll hit the ceiling before then.

If we do reach a limit we'll have to start using the available resources as efficiently as possible. In other words don't buy new clothes unless the old ones are worn out. Don't buy more pairs of shoes then whats actually needed. Don't buy a new cellphone/computer until the old one breaks. Research a cure instead of a treatment to heal patients as quickly as possible instead of making them use up medicine as long as possible. Make stuff that can be easily repaired instead of thrown away and replaced with a new one when it breaks. Don't make disposables if it's possible to make reusables instead. I doubt our economical system is capable of working in that way though.
Existing reality
14-09-2007, 01:44
No duh. We're at that limit already.
PsychoticDan
14-09-2007, 01:48
Not sure what you mean by relative value. Relative to other stuff, housing can become more expensive over time, though it might not.It will. Then it won't again. Ultimately if you take a, say, 60 year moving average of a stagnant population I think you'd get a straight line. Our population isn't stagnant, of course, but it can't grow forever. It will have to either stabalize or crash. Me thinks the latter.

My point is that there is a limited supply of land, and ever-increasing demand for it. The price has got nowhere to go but up, unless some sort of catastrophe reduces demand for a long, long time.Which will happen at some point.


And I disagree. At best it's a two-way relationship in which technology increases energy density though improving efficiency and discovering new sources of energy.Sure. We figured out ways to shoot a bow and arrow better. The rise of technology that we have seen over the last 150, 200 years can be traced directly to the discovery of coal, the oil and natural gas. No other energy source that we ever discovered in the last 70,000 years of human history would have allowed for cars, computers and space shuttles.

And we should keep in mind that we didn't have any energy density to speak of when we first developed new technologies.Yes we did. The discovery of coal led directly to the industrial revolution. The discovery of an energy dense resource came first, not second.


Hmm. You may have to figure that out, or people are going to be pretty indifferent to what you have to say.

Being indifferent to a problem doesn't make it go away. I'll keep posting and talking about it because I think it is the paramount issue of our time. You'll agree in a few years. In the meantime people need to figure out what they will do for themselves. Personally, I've gone back to school to get a degree in geology because I don't think my film degree will make me very usefull in a post-Peak Oil world. I think it will be very import to be usefull.
Vetalia
14-09-2007, 01:50
There's a big error in that article that needs to be addressed: we weren't running out of water and wind, that's correct, but we were running out of wood in continental Europe. It was wood that was the backbone of the energy economy prior to fossil fuels, and in Europe supplies of wood were very similar to those of oil. The best forests were already logged, the quality of remaining forests was declining, and prices were rising, It took a number of innovations to make coal deposits economically accessible and even more to provide uses for it, all under the threat of declining supplies of wood and rising prices. In fact, they were even more vulnerable to wood shortages than oil because almost everything relied on it in one form or another. This was achieved without the complete collapse of society and an acceleration of economic growth in the period after the transition.

Another fundamental misconception people make in regard to innovation is this: economics trumps innovation every single time. If there is no economic reason to implement a given development, or fund research in to a given field, it won't happen; the reason why little progress has been made in alternative energy is due to the simple fact that fossil fuels have been economically superior to alternative energy for their entire history up until now. The Germans only developed CTL plants because they had no other choice; had they successfully taken and held the oil regions of the Caspian Sea, they wouldn't have needed those plants at all. Even during the 1970's oil crisis, fossil fuels were still superior to renewables; it has only been in the past decade that alternative sources have become truly competitive with fossil fuels.

Frankly, the huge advances in alternative energy in such a short time (the last 8 years, really) are pretty strong evidence that innovation plays a bigger role than most people take in to account; in the past few years, huge gains in the economics, efficiency, and versatility of alternative energy have occurred that are greater than all of the developments during the 20 years of cheap oil after the 1979 crisis.

The reason why Malthus was utterly wrong and has continued to be wrong is due to the fact that productivity and innovation can and often do outstrip the need for raw materials. Even in the context of declining energy/raw material supplies, if the gains in efficiency and technology displace or replace an equal or greater amount of energy than the amount lost due to declining production, the economy will be able to grow and develop even without requiring additional resource inputs. Sustainability is built by innovation; there is no other way to do it besides genocide, inhuman suffering, and collapse on a massive scale.
PsychoticDan
14-09-2007, 01:53
It is possible we will run into a limit for how much we can squeeze out of one planet before we learn how to terraform Mars. I'm sure we'll come up with an alternative to oil in time.

**snip**

I doubt it.
PsychoticDan
14-09-2007, 02:00
*snip* In fact, they were even more vulnerable to wood shortages than oil because almost everything relied on it in one form or another.
I have to leave work now so I can't get into all the things about this post that I'd like to respond to, but with regards to this particular statement...


Bwaahaaaa??????????????


That's different than oil how???????


I can't think of a single thing in our modern world that woesn't rely completely on oil. Nothing. Even nuclear power is reliant on oil.

As to your point about all the success in alternative energy, I'll go check the stores and auto dealerships on my way home to see how successful they are. Hopefully I'll be able to have my Harley running on hydrogen by the time I get home.
Neu Leonstein
14-09-2007, 02:03
The rise of technology that we have seen over the last 150, 200 years can be traced directly to the discovery of coal, the oil and natural gas.
Or rather, the discovery of uses for them. Because it's not like coal or oil were unknown prior to big machines that used them.

They just weren't considered as important.

Yes we did. The discovery of coal led directly to the industrial revolution.
Hmmm...I see. So the coal gathered and traded from the Bronze Age onwards wasn't real coal.

Being indifferent to a problem doesn't make it go away. I'll keep posting and talking about it because I think it is the paramount issue of our time. You'll agree in a few years.
If you say so.

Personally, I've gone back to school to get a degree in geology because I don't think my film degree will make me very usefull in a post-Peak Oil world. I think it will be very import to be usefull.
I'll build an ark and collect pairs of animals.
Deus Malum
14-09-2007, 02:04
This article relies on a fallacy of its own:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_lack_of_imagination
Neu Leonstein
14-09-2007, 02:06
As to your point about all the success in alternative energy, I'll go check the stores and auto dealerships on my way home to see how successful they are. Hopefully I'll be able to have my Harley running on hydrogen by the time I get home.
Read his whole post. Is it economically viable to have a Harley running on hydrogen? No, because it's much cheaper to develop, build and run one based on petrol.

The point is: Denmark now produces somewhere around 20% of its electricity with windpower, using huge farms often out at sea. Compare that to what was going on 15 years ago, and tell me that's not progress.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Germany
2000 - 6,104 MW
2006 - 20,622 MW
Vetalia
14-09-2007, 02:20
I can't think of a single thing in our modern world that woesn't rely completely on oil. Nothing. Even nuclear power is reliant on oil.

It's far less intensive, though. 70% of oil is used in transportation, whereas almost all wood was used for heating, vehicles, and construction. The biggest difference between the two is that oil's primary use is in the production and transport of goods while wood was needed for the goods themselves as well as their production and transport.

Comparatively speaking, the role of wood in the 17th century was much more central than oil in the 21st. Peak Wood was like a cross between Peak Oil and Peak Iron in terms of its centrality to the economy of the time.

As to your point about all the success in alternative energy, I'll go check the stores and auto dealerships on my way home to see how successful they are. Hopefully I'll be able to have my Harley running on hydrogen by the time I get home.

Hydrogen's not that good a fuel to begin with, and motorcycles are more efficient than cars so the need for alternatives is less pressing and as a result less economical than developing alternatives for cars (not to mention it's a smaller market to begin with). Interestingly, the average fuel economy for the 2008 model year rose 3.9%...what's that about a 4% per year rise in fuel economy being impossible, Detroit?

However, the fact is that alternative energy has expanded at a faster rate and more in gross terms than it has in the 20 years since the 1979 crisis. This growth is phenomenal.
Romanar
14-09-2007, 02:24
As to what he or I want you to do? I dunno.

And that's the problem. Even assuming you're correct, if there is no solution, there's no reason to change. If my grandchildren are doomed to live like the Amish, I might as well continue to drive my SUV [0] , since they won't get any anyway.

[0] I don't really have an SUV, but that's not the point.
Vetalia
14-09-2007, 04:30
And that's the problem. Even assuming you're correct, if there is no solution, there's no reason to change. If my grandchildren are doomed to live like the Amish, I might as well continue to drive my SUV [0] , since they won't get any anyway.

Which, of course, is why I consider the doom and gloom viewpoint to be pointless to begin with. That's aside from its huge, gaping flaws in the first place, of course, but the point is the same: if we're all doomed, why do I care about these things if they're not going to affect me but future generations instead? Among many other reasons, that's a big reason why I reject the doom-and-gloom viewpoint that has unfortunately infected the Peak Oil community and made it less respectable in the public sphere.

Be prepared for challenges in the future, but challenges that will eventually lead to something better and far more advanced than we have today. We're looking at Coruscant, not the Thunderdome.
Layarteb
14-09-2007, 05:20
The human condition is pretty atrocious sometimes. Wherever someone says people are inherently good there will always be those who make that statement a fallacy and vice versa of course. The human species is pretty grotesque though because of the terrible acts that humans do and that humans allow other humans to do.
Similization
14-09-2007, 06:26
I can't say I agree with the OP. Not unequivocally anyway. Fusion looks to be viable within 30 years, and commercially viable within 50. A number of other sustainable fuels that can accommodate the transport sector seems to be commercially viable within 10-50 years as well.

Even pessimistic estimates would seem to indicate refinement of existing technologies and implementation of new ones, can at least keep the scarcity problem from resulting in stagnation.