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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6990802.stm

What a great idea, perhaps other countries with declining populations should also have a day like this every year. :p

Perhaps a more serious question is in order: is it a person's duty to the country, or to the species, to procreate?

Or their genetic stock?

The governor of Ulyanovsk region in Russia is offering prizes to couples who have babies in exactly nine months - on Russia's national day on 12 June.

Sergei Morozov wants couples to take the day off work to have sex. If a baby is born on national day, they will receive cars, TVs or other prizes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6990802.stm

What a great idea, perhaps other countries with declining populations should also have a day like this every year. :p

Perhaps a more serious question is in order: is it a person's duty to the country, or to the species, to procreate?

EDIT: Peepelonia, you stole my baby! Give it back!

It's nobody's "duty", it's a personal decision.

Surely they would be better off encouraging immigration from China and India?

When having sex is a duty, you're not doing it right.

Heh, that's fantastic. I'm a big fan.

As for the slightly more serious question.. I'm gonna go with species. Not entirely sure why. Perhaps because species came before countries? But, in saying that.. It's hardly a duty.

Best government idea ever.

It's nobody's "duty", it's a personal decision.

Surely they would be better off encouraging immigration from China and India?

I would agree with these statements, there's already enough people on the planet, over-crowding is more of a problem than population decline.

ewww June children :p

Or their genetic stock?

You mean as in royal families marrying each other? I find that horribly elitist and, as history shows, greatly increases the risk of genetic diseases.

You mean as in royal families marrying each other? I find that horribly elitist and, as history shows, greatly increases the risk of genetic diseases.

Naaaa man, as in that thing that all life does. You know pass on it's genes so that it can survive.

People, have you seen a Russian population graph, desperate times call for desperate measures:fluffle:

Best government idea ever.

Also, I demand a follw up thread on this in 9 months.

Naaaa man, as in that thing that all life does. You know pass on it's genes so that it can survive.

Ah right, ok, that's basically what I meant by 'for the species'.

Also, I demand a follw up thread on this in 9 months.

Why are you demanding that from yourself?


(I must go to work, be back later to reply)

Ah right, ok, that's basically what I meant by 'for the species'.



Ahhh well I meant more for yourself, your own genetic heritage. Ohh and I have not stolen anybodies babies, I paid for them all and have all the correct papers and everything. And the rest.... well I'm just looking after them for my brothers okay!

old news was a thread some time back and i still say i'll like to help out

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6990802.stm

What a great idea, perhaps other countries with declining populations should also have a day like this every year. :p

Gee whiz, yes, let's further increase the overpopulation problems on this planet! More children for us to pass our mistakes onto!


Perhaps a more serious question is in order: is it a person's duty to the country, or to the species, to procreate?

Fuck no.

People, have you seen a Russian population graph, desperate times call for desperate measures:fluffle:

it can't be that bad, my friends had a wide selection of orphaned Russian children to choose from, they brought home 4 of them.

The Soviets used to have a pretty good tactic for population growth, the whole 'baby bonus' from the government for every child they had.

People, have you seen a Russian population graph, desperate times call for desperate measures:fluffle:
Yes, but doesn't Russia have problems that tend to result in a lot of people putting their children in orphanages where they get adopted from (if they're lucky)?

it can't be that bad, my friends had a wide selection of orphaned Russian children to choose from, they brought home 4 of them.

Perhaps this is part of the problem. None of the Russians want to live in Russia.

Perhaps a more serious question is in order: is it a person's duty to the country, or to the species, to procreate?

If nobody wanted any children, then the human race would go the way of the dinosaurs.

Perhaps this is part of the problem. None of the Russians want to live in Russia.

Who'd want to, no offense to Russians but that's the truth, shock therapy was instant poverty.

(see documentary: Death of a nation: Russia)

If nobody wanted any children, then the human race would go the way of the dinosaurs.

What... you...mean....grow gigantic?

Was that meant to be funny?

What you mean it wasn't? Do you mean to make me cry, well do you?

Judging by the other thread about Russia testing bombs their intention is to make love and war.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6990802.stm

What a great idea, perhaps other countries with declining populations should also have a day like this every year. :p
I don't care if the population in Russia is declining -- the population globally is too damned big, even if it is distributed somewhat unevenly. Let the Russians send their little swimmers into the latex reservoir where they belong - for the good of all, if they feel like being communistic about it. Yay, zero population growth.

Perhaps a more serious question is in order: is it a person's duty to the country, or to the species, to procreate?


Absolutely not. First of all, nature does not demand duty from anyone or anything. Natural systems play themselves out, whether we like it or not and with or without our conscious participation, so the idea of a "duty to the species" is nonsense. The species does not care and does not need to care what any of its members do with their lives.

Second, "the country" can kiss my ass. What has it done for me lately? What the hell is it, anyway? The land I'm standing on? In that case, I doubt it needs me to procreate; in fact, I'd bet it would prefer I didn't. Or do you mean the state, as in the government? In that case, they can really kiss my ass. Let them fuck their own spouses if they can.

What... you...mean....grow gigantic?

Was that meant to be funny?

If nobody wanted any children, then the human race would go the way of the dinosaurs.

So?

What you mean it wasn't? Do you mean to make me cry, well do you?

No, but you're making me cry right now!

So?

Most people would consider that a bad thing.

Yes, but doesn't Russia have problems that tend to result in a lot of people putting their children in orphanages where they get adopted from (if they're lucky)?

Hey, orphans are their biggest export. Of course they're worried when production numbers shrink.

Most people would consider that a bad thing.

Why?

Why?

Why do you have to ask?

Why are you demanding that from yourself?

Because if I ask myself I won't do it.

Why do you have to ask?

Because I'd like to know.

Well, we'd all have a very unpleasant old age, although I'm otherwise not personally too fussed about a nonviolent human extinction. But yeah, having an old population is bad.

Because I'd like to know.

I'm not going to debate you on this.

I'm not going to debate you on this.

Why?

Because if I ask myself I won't do it.

Ah, ok then. Carry on.

I'm not going to debate you on this.

I'm not sure why you fear non-existence. We've all been non-existent far longer than existent, so it must've had some merits.

Perhaps a more serious question is in order: is it a person's duty to the country, or to the species, to procreate?
It's certainly no one's duty to reproduce, but I see no problem with others trying to encourage it (for whatever reason).

For example, if you see your nation growing away from the values you hold because of an influx of immigrants, you could fight against that by encouraging people who hold values like yours to reproduce and pass on their values to their kids. This would tip the balance back in your favour a bit.

Perhaps a more serious question is in order: is it a person's duty to the country, or to the species, to procreate?No.

Or their genetic stock?No. It's my duty to my genetic stock to ensure it ends here.

For example, if you see your nation growing away from the values you hold because of an influx of immigrants, you could fight against that by encouraging people who hold values like yours to reproduce and pass on their values to their kids. This would tip the balance back in your favour a bit.
:rolleyes:

Why not pop your kids and the immigrants in a Vulcan Death Pit for good measure; let them fight to the death.

Heaven forbid we actually gain something from immigration.

In Soviet Russia sex has you.

Great in principle but:

GIRL HAS SEX SO SHE CAN WIN PRIZE
GIRLS HAS BABY ON THE DAY, WINS PRIZE
GIRL THROWS BABY OUT WINDOW

:rolleyes:

Why not pop your kids and the immigrants in a Vulcan Death Pit for good measure; let them fight to the death.
I doubt the other kids' parents would consent.
Heaven forbid we actually gain something from immigration.
And we might. But there's no reason to believe everything we gain from immigration is good. Some of it might be worth fighting (perhaps in a Vulcan Death Pit).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6990802.stm

What a great idea, perhaps other countries with declining populations should also have a day like this every year. :p

Perhaps a more serious question is in order: is it a person's duty to the country, or to the species, to procreate?

EDIT: Peepelonia, you stole my baby! Give it back!
It is neither. It is a person's duty to the species NOT to procreate.

If Russia wants a higher population, they should take children in from third world countries, those places are a mess. The more people we can get away from that mess the better...

It is neither. It is a person's duty to the species NOT to procreate.

If Russia wants a higher population, they should take children in from third world countries, those places are a mess. The more people we can get away from that mess the better...
You're assuming all children are equal.

Perhaps a more serious question is in order: is it a person's duty to the country, or to the species, to procreate?

I don't think it is, but...I don't care whether it is or not, I'm not going to.

Western Nations should use their idea in their own respective countries.

The 3rd world need to implement restrictions onto their populations about how many children they are allowed to have.

Pehaps have only 1 child per family allowed....or perhaps 1 child per every other family.....

Then Western Nation's populations would rise and we wouldn't "need" immigration while the 3rd world nations would control their insane populations and bring them down to normal levels, which would also allow for more jobs there and more food to feed the people.

Not to mention less population, less filth and more elbow room for those people.

To the species through the country.

Best government idea ever.

Sheesh, libruhls. :rolleyes:

As an incentive, there are "pace performers", being the likes of their awesome newscasters ... as well as some Hungarian Honeys for fluffing and surrogates.

Just the thought of a Russian woman in a hospital one hour before the Russian National Day with her baby crowning and the doctors huddled over and her husband screaming -

"Hold it, honey... HOLD IT!!" (but in Russian, unless they're English or have been to Oxford)

makes me glad that

a)I'm not a woman and
b)I'm not a woman that knows Ifreann

You're assuming all children are equal.

http://www.physics.mcgill.ca/~arobic/funny/babies.html
Yes, apparently 1 in 10 is not.

It's the duty of the species to produce another generation, but not overpopulate the planet with that generation. Hence, since I have several personal traits beneficial to the species (height, good looks, bypass of ever developing wisdom teeth, great hair, super high I.Q.), it is a duty to the species for me to have kids. And I'm free of disease, so I get extra props for that.

On the other hand, there are people in certain parts of the world that should limit their child output, and it is their duty to the species to stop having kids. Over population is a threat, and it is important that we ensure that we have enough space for the smart people.

And I'm free of disease, so I get extra props for that.

I'm sure if we dug enough, we'd find some contradictory evidence to that assertion.

I'm sure if we dug enough, we'd find some contradictory evidence to that assertion.

Nope. No STD's, no HIV/AIDS, no genetic conditions. Though, I guess you could count getting the cold a couple of times.

Nope. No STD's, no HIV/AIDS, no genetic conditions. Though, I guess you could count getting the cold a couple of times.

No, i meant what i said. Just gotta dig deep enough. We've all got some kind of disposition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics
http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/277128.html

It is neither. It is a person's duty to the species NOT to procreate.


Agreed, the last thing we need is even more over-population.

Everything is much easier to fix on a smaller scale and if we keep reproducing exponentially we are screwed. Not in a good way either.

The only intelligent decisions about childbearing seem to come from educated women, if we look at it statistically. Ergo, the easiest solution is to massively fund women's education in the developing world.

The only intelligent decisions about childbearing seem to come from educated women, if we look at it statistically. Ergo, the easiest solution is to massively fund women's education in the developing world.

Generally you may be right. But there are exceptions. Look at Margaret Thatcher and poll tax - O.K. so it's not childbearing, but it's one of the least intelligent decisions ever made.