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...the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

So, can we all sit back and expect another two hours of cosy pro-Jewish, anti-Arab propaganda?


EDIT: becoz I am teh idiot wit da title of da flim.

...the Kingdom of the Golden Skull

So, can we all sit back and expect another two hours of cosy pro-Jewish, anti-Arab propaganda?

Crystal Skull

Wuh?

Linkage?

Crystal Skull

Indeed. Mea maxima culpa.

Wuh?

Linkage?

http://www.indianajones.com/

Will the time-travelling machine pistols and RPG's of the first film ever be satisfactorily explained?

...the Kingdom of the Golden Skull

So, can we all sit back and expect another two hours of cosy pro-Jewish, anti-Arab propaganda?

Sorry I just don't get it?

http://www.indianajones.com/

Will the time-travelling machine pistols and RPG's of the first film ever be satisfactorily explained?

http://www.indianajones.com/imgs/IJ4_NoFlash.jpg

Sorry I just don't get it?

I just happened to be rewatching the first film the other day, and basically the whole black hat/white hat thing works like this:

French = bad.
Nazi's = bad.
Arabs = bad.
Jews = good.
Americans = good.

If I'd dropped from Mars and you told me it was made in the lead up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, I'd probably believe you.

...the Kingdom of the Golden Skull

So, can we all sit back and expect another two hours of cosy pro-Jewish, anti-Arab propaganda?

Wha....? :confused:

Since when is Indiana Jones anti-arab? *confused*

Isn't Harrison Ford getting a little old for this?

Quite possibly, but at least they ain't setting it in the 30's this time around. I think he's a 65 year old playing a 58 year old, which ain't far off the mark.

Isn't Harrison Ford getting a little old for this?

Wha....? :confused:

Since when is Indiana Jones anti-arab? *confused*

He shoots them when they get in his way.

Which is what he does to most people really.

Ahhh I see, really though thats like saying 'The Patriot' with Mel Gibson and Heath Ledger was anti British. It's just a fuckin' film man!

Would you also reject the claim that The Patriot (which I ain't seen anyhow) was pro-American?

But hey, Triumph Of The Will was just a fuckin' film, man!

Isn't Harrison Ford getting a little old for this?

does he actually age?

after all he is Han Solo

I just happened to be rewatching the first film the other day, and basically the whole black hat/white hat thing works like this:

French = bad.
Nazi's = bad.
Arabs = bad.
Jews = good.
Americans = good.

If I'd dropped from Mars and you told me it was made in the lead up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, I'd probably believe you.

Ahhh I see, really though thats like saying 'The Patriot' with Mel Gibson and Heath Ledger was anti British. It's just a fuckin' film man!

He shoots them when they get in his way.

Which is what he does to most people really.

Let's be fair; He hits a lot of them with trucks too. *no*

Isn't Harrison Ford getting a little old for this?

No.

He played Han Solo. He was Jack Ryan. And he does time as a rescue pilot in Wyoming.

Wha....? :confused:

Since when is Indiana Jones anti-arab? *confused*

Apparently his Arab friends who helped him in Raiders, he shot 'em afterward.

Can a fictional piece have a message yeah certianly it can, do I belive that any Indian Jones film contines such a message, course not, I aint that fuckin' paranoid.

Would you likewise reject Schindler's Ark as having a message?

Would you also reject the claim that The Patriot (which I ain't seen anyhow) was pro-American?

But hey, Triumph Of The Will was just a fuckin' film, man!

Never seen 'Triumph of the will' so I can't comment on that, was 'The Patriot' pro American? It was a work of fiction, based around a true war. In that it portriaed the war of independance from an American POV, then I guess it could be said to be pro American. Seeing as I don't for one second belive that it was anything other than a work of fiction descined to entertian, then no I don't think it was anti or pro anything.

Can a fictional piece have a message yeah certianly it can, do I belive that any Indian Jones film contines such a message, course not, I aint that fuckin' paranoid.

Apparently his Arab friends who helped him in Raiders, he shot 'em afterward.

Except for Sallah. He let him live foreseeing the need for his Token Arab Friend in a later movie. But as they were riding off into the sunset after their stereotypically daffy british friend, Indy shot Sallah in the head. *nod*

Never seen 'Triumph of the will' so I can't comment on that, was 'The Patriot' pro American? It was a work of fiction, based around a true war. In that it portriaed the war of independance from an American POV, then I guess it could be said to be pro American.

Braveheart is basically the same as The Patriot. Mel Gibson leads a poorly trained, but passionate, group to victory against the hated English in several battles, and ultimately playing a key role in his country's struggle for independance.

So perhaps Gibson hates the English :p

Never seen 'Triumph of the will' so I can't comment on that, was 'The Patriot' pro American? It was a work of fiction, based around a true war. In that it portriaed the war of independance from an American POV, then I guess it could be said to be pro American. Seeing as I don't for one second belive that it was anything other than a work of fiction descined to entertian, then no I don't think it was anti or pro anything.

Can a fictional piece have a message yeah certianly it can, do I belive that any Indian Jones film contines such a message, course not, I aint that fuckin' paranoid.

It wasn't the pro-American I minded, it was the utter anti-English portrayal that annoyed me. I'm tired of English people being portrayed as thin, cold-hearted murderers when in fact we're quite a chubby nation.

Same with Braveheart, same with so many films with cold-hearted English bastards.

It's like watching a school film and knowing that the thin, tall blond kid will betray everyone else.

Hollywood feeds stereotypes, even when it tries to anti-stereotype by making all computer programmers black people, it's still doing so out of admission that it feeds stereotypes.

Though obviously screen tests with audiences means they have to I guess.

EDIT: Damn you Ilfrean for beating me to the point, revenge for the peanuts thread I'm sure :)

Except for Sallah. He let him live foreseeing the need for his Token Arab Friend in a later movie. But as they were riding off into the sunset after their stereotypically daffy british friend, Indy shot Sallah in the head. *nod*

I don't get the pro-jewish thing either, unless he fellated a line of jews in a cut scene or something.

Edit: Cut scene, oh ye gods that's a bad pun.

I don't get the pro-jewish thing either, unless he fellated a line of jews in a cut scene or something.

Perhaps putting the ancient artifact of extraordinary jewish historical significance in a wooden crate and storing it in a warehouse somewhere to never again see the light of day is a sign of deep jewish respect. *nod*

Would you likewise reject Schindler's Ark as having a message?

Man you just aint listening huh!

Do you not find it easy to descercn those works of fiction with and without some sort of message? Wasn't Schindlers list a true story and so not a work of fiction anyway?

Do you belive that Mel Gibsons, 'The Passion of the Christ' was anti semetic, or was it just telling the story of the pain of his last hours?

Do you find that you find hidden meanings in all sorts of places, or do you just get 'all het up' over certian things?

Really, do you really, belive that any Indian Jones films, delibratly puts out an anti Arab message?

Perhaps putting the ancient artifact of extraordinary jewish historical significance in a wooden crate and storing it in a warehouse somewhere to never again see the light of day is a sign of deep jewish respect. *nod*

And a storyline involving the Holy Grail in The Last Crusade makes it pro-Christian.

Both the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail are artifacts that have been lost for millenia, are believed to have holy powers - and, most importantly, people have heard of them before.

And a storyline involving the Holy Grail in The Last Crusade makes it pro-Christian.

Both the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail are artifacts that have been lost for millenia, are believed to have holy powers - and, most importantly, people have heard of them before.

But he has never searched for a lost artifact of Muslim faith. Therefore Indiana Jones is anti-Islam. Maybe the next movie should be 'Indiana Jones and Muhammed's Lost Codpiece of Joy'. :)

Man you just aint listening huh!

Do you not find it easy to descercn those works of fiction with and without some sort of message? Wasn't Schindlers list a true story and so not a work of fiction anyway?

Do you belive that Mel Gibsons, 'The Passion of the Christ' was anti semetic, or was it just telling the story of the pain of his last hours?

Do you find that you find hidden meanings in all sorts of places, or do you just get 'all het up' over certian things?

Really, do you really, belive that any Indian Jones films, delibratly puts out an anti Arab message?

Stereotyping affirms stereotypes - portray an image often enough and people believe it - there's an interesting question of whether people actually believe them or whether they act on them unconsciously but people do act on stereotype and there's plenty of studies to show that. For example, the white face/black face association test.

Propaganda ain't just about holding up male geese.

Film's have a problem in that they need to tell a story within 2 hours, therefore they revert to stereotype to define a character quickly so we can identify with them.

But he has never searched for a lost artifact of Muslim faith. Therefore Indiana Jones is anti-Islam. Maybe the next movie should be 'Indiana Jones and Muhammed's Lost Codpiece of Joy'. :)
'Indiana Jones and the Altar of Islamic Retribution."

I just happened to be rewatching the first film the other day, and basically the whole black hat/white hat thing works like this:

French = bad.
Nazi's = bad.
Arabs = bad.
Jews = good.
Americans = good.

If I'd dropped from Mars and you told me it was made in the lead up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, I'd probably believe you.
Because Iraq was being run by the Nazi party?

Wait, wait, wait...so you're all saying the Lost Ark wasn't a documentary? Fuck, now I need to go back to the drawing board for my face-melting device. :(

I just happened to be rewatching the first film the other day, and basically the whole black hat/white hat thing works like this:

French = bad. [yep... because ONE villian was French all French are bad.]
Nazi's = bad. [you disagree with this?]
Arabs = bad. [... where?]
Jews = good. [... again where?]
Americans = good. [well, it's an American Made film, and may I remind you that Last Crusade had an American Villian.]

now, if you take Fictional Movies that seriously... I really suggest you stop watching movies.

Stereotyping affirms stereotypes - portray an image often enough and people believe it - there's an interesting question of whether people actually believe them or whether they act on them unconsciously but people do act on stereotype and there's plenty of studies to show that. For example, the white face/black face association test. ok, name a film where some form of stereotype is NOT made.

Propaganda ain't just about holding up male geese.anything can be considered propaganda by anyone. Especially if it's a work of FICTION.

Film's have a problem in that they need to tell a story within 2 hours, therefore they revert to stereotype to define a character quickly so we can identify with them. yep. because we all would rather sit though a 4-10 hour film.

why not include books in that as well. name a fictional book that does not include some form of Stereotype, or television series.

heck why not websites and forums as well. here on NSG, Christians are bad, Republicans are bad, white males are bad, cops are bad, etc. all stereotypes being affirmed and held up.

heck why not websites and forums as well. here on NSG, Christians are bad, Republicans are bad, white males are bad, cops are bad, etc. all stereotypes being affirmed and held up.

According to that, then I, as a white, Roman Catholic American male of mixed Germanic and Celtic descent (no French blood, though, so I don't give up in war) that has voted centrist-right Republican, am the Devil of NSG.:rolleyes:

:eek: All fear me, for apparently, I just found out that I am Lucifer.

Maybe we should wait for the movie first before saying that Indy is anti anything. After that we can all uselessly debate on how this movie is Pro Atlaentaen and Anti Thulian.

All I know that he's racists towards snakes.

According to that, then I, as a white, Roman Catholic American male of mixed Germanic and Celtic descent (no French blood, though, so I don't give up in war) that has voted centrist-right Republican, am the Devil of NSG.:rolleyes:

:eek: All fear me, for apparently, I just found out that I am Lucifer.

considering I too almost fit that bill, me being descent from Imperial Japan instead of Germany...

who should we corrupt first? :p

the point is anyone can find Stereotyping in anything and everything without looking hard. The important thing is whether or not each person allows that stereotype to dominate their views of the world around them.

According to that, then I, as a white, Roman Catholic American male of mixed Germanic and Celtic descent (no French blood, though, so I don't give up in war) that has voted centrist-right Republican, am the Devil of NSG.:rolleyes:

:eek: All fear me, for apparently, I just found out that I am Lucifer.
Not quite, you're not a cop.

Spielberg is a rather heavy-handed director when it comes to Sentiment and Meaning. DreamWorks' The Prince of Egypt furthered the erroneous notion that the pyramids were built exclusively by Jewish slaves, for example.

But in the end, it's a movie. Movies, especially the blockbuster variety, go through so many hands, that it's virtually impossible for them to remain isolated and objective. That said, I don't see the pro-Jewish bent in Raiders. Temple of Doom, aside from being really bad, was anti-Thuggee, I guess.

An Arabic character, Sallah, played by John Rhys-Davies, is a staple of the series, so the anti-Arab charge is thin at best.

Care to ski down your mountain before it returns to the molehill it is?

http://www.indianajones.com/

Will the time-travelling machine pistols and RPG's of the first film ever be satisfactorily explained?

Emmm.....I presume you mean a specific model....There were a number of machine-pistols from the early 1900s......Don't remember the RPGs at all in the movie...Gettin old..As for Arabs, Germans and French, I think it was safe to say that all the sterotypes were fairly represented (but not as well represented as the mummy, which was even good enough to include stereotyped Americans). Don't remember any pro-Jewish sentiment specifically, unless you count the idea that their legendary zap box zaps things......


(The plane was a time warp, I think, in no 1 - the german one that cut the big german in bits)

In a way, no 2 was on far shakier ground. The thugee plot had a certain air of "this is what they get up to without us whites to keep them straight" to it, though I doubt that dawned on them at the time.

So, can we all sit back and expect another two hours of cosy pro-Jewish, anti-Arab propaganda?

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Wa wa wee wah?

Seriously though, wa wa wee wah?

Lol Que?

I just happened to be rewatching the first film the other day, and basically the whole black hat/white hat thing works like this:

All righty...

French = bad.
But the Frenchman wore a white hat...

Nazi's = bad.
Yeah, generally they were pretty awful people. Not gonna lie. I'm not gonna put up a fuss when a film makes them out to be the villain, they kinda were.

Arabs = bad.
Now, hold on there for a second. Not only was one of the main supporting characters who was a good guy and Arab, but there were plenty of scenes where Arabs did lend Indy a hand.

Jews = good.
I don't recall there being so much as a single Jew in the entire film.

Americans = good.
Well, duh. It's an American adventure film. What else do you expect?

Although, in the third one an American is the bad guy, with the Nazis merely playing second fiddle to his nastiness.

You know when you see somebody getting hauled out of a movie theatre with an usher on each limb screaming, "Indiana Jones is racist!" that that person is, without a doubt, a Generalite.

As to the British always being villians...maybe its because the British are really good at being villians? I mean, ask somebody to come up with an evil supergenius and theres good odds the description will include a fluffy white cat and a stereotypical British vocal sneer.

As to the British always being villians...maybe its because the British are really good at being villians? I mean, ask somebody to come up with an evil supergenius and theres good odds the description will include a fluffy white cat and a stereotypical British vocal sneer.


Well, they did get around more than their continental cousins.....

As to the British always being villians...maybe its because the British are really good at being villians? I mean, ask somebody to come up with an evil supergenius and theres good odds the description will include a fluffy white cat and a stereotypical British vocal sneer.
Blofeld (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blofeld) being the epitome of Englishness, eh?

...the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

So, can we all sit back and expect another two hours of cosy pro-Jewish, anti-Arab propaganda?


I have never heard about Indiana Jones being anti Arab, do you have any links or anything to back this up?

As to the British always being villians...maybe its because the British are really good at being villians? I mean, ask somebody to come up with an evil supergenius and theres good odds the description will include a fluffy white cat and a stereotypical British vocal sneer.
actually, that image was made popular by... wait for it... James BOND. A British Secret Agent created by a British Author. and who was James Bond's first couple of villians? A Japanese, an American, A South African...

and don't forget that all Mad Scientific Geniuses HAVE TO possess a Germanic Accent. :p

*can't wait*

Because Iraq was being run by the Nazi party?

Because them what stand against the nation of Israel (either as a scattered people or a state) are obviously in the wrong, and must be punished by the will of Jehovah.

I don't recall there being so much as a single Jew in the entire film.


Don't really matter - they got the physical manifestation of God on their side.

Emmm.....I presume you mean a specific model....There were a number of machine-pistols from the early 1900s......Don't remember the RPGs at all in the movie...Gettin old..

MP-38s and MP-40s, along with an RPG-7 in 1936?

actually, that image was made popular by... wait for it... James BOND. A British Secret Agent created by a British Author. and who was James Bond's first couple of villians? A Japanese, an American, A South African

Wasn't le Chiffre or whatever he was called just of ill-defined mittel-European descent?

Because them what stand against the nation of Israel (either as a scattered people or a state) are obviously in the wrong, and must be punished by the will of Jehovah.

Wait what?

actually, that image was made popular by... wait for it... James BOND. A British Secret Agent created by a British Author. and who was James Bond's first couple of villians? A Japanese, an American, A South African...

and don't forget that all Mad Scientific Geniuses HAVE TO possess a Germanic Accent. :p

Sidney Greenstreet long before then. :p

I have never heard about Indiana Jones being anti Arab, do you have any links or anything to back this up?

Throughout the film he is constantly menaced by Arab chaps with curved knives, swords and pointed sticks. True Sallah is a 'good' Arab, but he and his clan are vastly outnumbered by those doing the work of the Nazis.

Throughout the film he is constantly menaced by Arab chaps with curved knives, swords and pointed sticks. True Sallah is a 'good' Arab, but he and his clan are vastly outnumbered by those doing the work of the Nazis.

And? Do you think this would happen if he travelled to England, and had adventures there?

Wait what?

What happened at the end of the film? The God of the Jews exacted divine retribution for the crimes of the Nazis, no?

And? Do you think this would happen if he travelled to England, and had adventures there?

Being menaced by Arabs with curved knives, swords and pointed sticks?

Being menaced by Arabs with curved knives, swords and pointed sticks?

Yeah. What I am getting at is, perhaps it is the fact that the people who live where Jones is... doing whatever he does... are Arab in the first place. Thus it's not unreasonable to expect most of the bad guys to be coming from that country.

What happened at the end of the film? The God of the Jews exacted divine retribution for the crimes of the Nazis, no?
The First Film? well, they were all looking. remember? "Close your eyes, Don't Look!"

the third film? the American villian bit it too.

What happened at the end of the film? The God of the Jews exacted divine retribution for the crimes of the Nazis, no?

Last I checked the Jews, Christians and Muslims all had the same god.

Wasn't le Chiffre or whatever he was called just of ill-defined mittel-European descent?

which was he?

which was he?

The villain in the first Bond novel - Casino Royale.

I don't think there were any short stories or anything else before that one.

Apologies if you thought I was still talking about the Indiana Jonesiverse.

Last I checked the Jews, Christians and Muslims all had the same god.

Yes, but the fact that his manifestation was tied in to a particularly Jewish artifact does slant things somewhat. Likewise when we also see the Christian artifact of the third film acting in a similar way.

Yes, but the fact that his manifestation was tied in to a particularly Jewish artifact does slant things somewhat. Likewise when we also see the Christian artifact of the third film acting in a similar way.

The old testament is pretty damned important to Christians too. I think you're pro-jewish rant is misplaced.

MP-38s and MP-40s, along with an RPG-7 in 1936?


Yeah...I still don't remember the rpg though....I think because the third one was so shite I blanked out all jones related brain cells or something...

The villain in the first Bond novel - Casino Royale.

I don't think there were any short stories or anything else before that one.

Apologies if you thought I was still talking about the Indiana Jonesiverse.

I knew you were talking about bond... I just didn't read nor see Casino Royale. I hate prequals.

Yes, but the fact that his manifestation was tied in to a particularly Jewish artifact does slant things somewhat. Likewise when we also see the Christian artifact of the third film acting in a similar way.

the Arc of the Covanent is also a christian artifact.

and I missed the lighting and thunder in the third movie.

Perhaps putting the ancient artifact of extraordinary jewish historical significance in a wooden crate and storing it in a warehouse somewhere to never again see the light of day is a sign of deep jewish respect. *nod*

You're so bloody lucky I didn't have any Coke in my mouth when I read that, otherwise I'd be very upset.

Yeah...I still don't remember the rpg though....I think because the third one was so shite I blanked out all jones related brain cells or something...

But... But it had Sean Connery in it! Nothing with Sean Connery can be bad, you can just close your eyes and listen to him talk! Did that during that piece of shite he made with Catherine Zeta Jones, worked like a charm.

Well, they did get around more than their continental cousins.....

Just a little :P

Blofeld (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blofeld) being the epitome of Englishness, eh?

Of course. Him and Queen Victoria.

actually, that image was made popular by... wait for it... James BOND. A British Secret Agent created by a British Author. and who was James Bond's first couple of villians? A Japanese, an American, A South African...

and don't forget that all Mad Scientific Geniuses HAVE TO possess a Germanic Accent. :p

Well of course, but Blofeld was the only really COOL villian. The rest were just sort of...bleh, you know? Except Oddjob, but he was a henchman.

Germanic as in..."Ach! Mine digits!", yes? ;)
That'd be another show with a British-accented badguy.

I just happened to be rewatching the first film the other day, and basically the whole black hat/white hat thing works like this:

French = bad.
Nazi's = bad.
Arabs = bad.
Jews = good.
Americans = good.

If I'd dropped from Mars and you told me it was made in the lead up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, I'd probably believe you.

EXCEPT...
That there was ONE French guy, Belloq, and he was bad. Not the whole darned nation.

And Sallah was not an Arab? nor were his kids? the old man in whose home the monkey snuffed it when he ate the poisoned dates?

Where were the Jews?

Perhaps putting the ancient artifact of extraordinary jewish historical significance in a wooden crate and storing it in a warehouse somewhere to never again see the light of day is a sign of deep jewish respect. *nod*

Hey, it's OT, which means it's of interest to Christians too, ya know.

EXCEPT...
That there was ONE French guy, Belloq, and he was bad. Not the whole darned nation.

And Sallah was not an Arab? nor were his kids? the old man in whose home the monkey snuffed it when he ate the poisoned dates?

Didnt Indy only kill one Arab? I havent seen the movie in a while, but the only one I clearly recall him killing was the guy with the sword, and, y'know, he was kinda justified in that instance. I mean, the guy WAS waving a sword around and shouting in a threatening manner.

Yes, but the fact that his manifestation was tied in to a particularly Jewish artifact does slant things somewhat. Likewise when we also see the Christian artifact of the third film acting in a similar way.

You also see the Hindu artifacts causing the bad guy to fall into a river full of alligators in the second film. The recurring theme with all of the holy artifacts in the movies is "Don't screw with something you don't understand", not a pro-Jewish or Christian message.

Because them what stand against the nation of Israel (either as a scattered people or a state) are obviously in the wrong, and must be punished by the will of Jehovah.

...
What are you smoking? Or what movie did you watch?

Wha....? :confused:

Since when is Indiana Jones anti-arab? *confused*

Well SOMEBODY'S gotta be the badguy. Would you prefer an elementary school full of Australia's youth?

Remember, it's not a stereotype if it's true. :D

OMG Indiana Jones is anti-simian.

The little Nazi monkey in the first movie snuffs it eating poisoned dates.
And in the second movie, they're eating chilled monkey brains....

Quick... were there any monkeys in the third movie?

...the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

So, can we all sit back and expect another two hours of cosy pro-Jewish, anti-Arab propaganda?


EDIT: becoz I am teh idiot wit da title of da flim.


Sounds good. I'm willing to see it, especially since I liked the other Indiana Jones movies.

OMG Indiana Jones is anti-simian.

The little Nazi monkey in the first movie snuffs it eating poisoned dates.
And in the second movie, they're eating chilled monkey brains....

Quick... were there any monkeys in the third movie?

No, but only because the Primate Union caught on to their stunningly anti-simian portrayals of monkeys.
The original opening scene was Indiana and the other boy scouts beating up a family of chimps, though. I heard it on the internet.

No, but only because the Primate Union caught on to their stunningly anti-simian portrayals of monkeys.
The original opening scene was Indiana and the other boy scouts beating up a family of chimps, though. I heard it on the internet.

I KNEW IT!

I KNEW IT!

Yup. I heard that the upcoming special edition has the scene though, but they had to use CG chimps.

Well of course, but Blofeld was the only really COOL villian. The rest were just sort of...bleh, you know? Except Oddjob, but he was a henchman.

Germanic as in..."Ach! Mine digits!", yes? ;)
That'd be another show with a British-accented badguy.

... I liked Jaws. while a Villian, he wasn't a criminal Genius. but he did have a sense of class and style of his own.

... I liked Jaws. while a Villian, he wasn't a criminal Genius. but he did have a sense of class and style of his own.
Any guy who can bite through 6" of steel cable, but still finds time to fall in love with an Austrian maiden on the moon, has my respect.

Indiana Jones and the Nursing Home of Terror, or Indiana Jones and the golden catheter?

Indiana Jones and the Nursing Home of Terror, or Indiana Jones and the golden catheter?

Indiana Jones and The Toothpick of Doom.

...oh wait, that's just Harrison Ford and Callista Flockheart going out to town for the night.

Actually the movie is to be titled: Indiana Jones Diary. It will tell the story of an overweight and slightly alchoholic antiquities professor with a potty mouth. It will follow him over the course of a year where he tries to lose weight, find true love and discover lost artifacts.

Actually the movie is to be titled: Indiana Jones Diary. It will tell the story of an overweight and slightly alcoholic antiquities professor with a potty mouth. It will follow him over the course of a year where he tries to lose weight, find true love and discover lost artifacts.

:D Clever.

Actually the movie is to be titled: Indiana Jones Diary. It will tell the story of an overweight and slightly alchoholic antiquities professor with a potty mouth. It will follow him over the course of a year where he tries to lose weight, find true love and discover lost artifacts.

been done. Young Indiana Jones Chronicles (http://imdb.com/title/tt0103586/).

ok, name a film where some form of stereotype is NOT made.

anything can be considered propaganda by anyone. Especially if it's a work of FICTION.

yep. because we all would rather sit though a 4-10 hour film.

why not include books in that as well. name a fictional book that does not include some form of Stereotype, or television series.

heck why not websites and forums as well. here on NSG, Christians are bad, Republicans are bad, white males are bad, cops are bad, etc. all stereotypes being affirmed and held up.

This is where your powers of misreading are extraordinary - you've actually supported every point I made :confused:

The point about propaganda is not that all films are propaganda, but that propaganda is an extension of tapping into stereotypes.

Wow, Indiana Jones is all about smacking around the naughty Arabs. I guess I need to rewatch the films as I've obviously missed something crucial in the plot.

Wow, Indiana Jones is all about smacking around the naughty Arabs.

No. It is also about smacking around the naughty Indians too.

Pretty much the whole thing comes down to smacking around the various naughty ethnic groups of the British Empire.

No. It is also about smacking around the naughty Indians too.

Pretty much the whole thing comes down to smacking around the various naughty ethnic groups of the British Empire.


Myself though I see it as simply the American who represents freedom, the American Way, etc., etc., fighting against the Nazis who represent of course all that personifies evil. Hardly unique in American films.

The rest I think is just circumstance, he is going to parts of the world that aren't "First World" to find his artifacts so the groups he meets who will be hostile (to provide the adventure) are going to be "primitives". It may be about the old cliche of the adventurer fighting the savages but it does work after all. Not that I really find it that insulting here as most of the time is spent on Harrison Ford beating up on Nazis which I'm hardly going to get upset about.

This is where your powers of misreading are extraordinary - you've actually supported every point I made :confused:

The point about propaganda is not that all films are propaganda, but that propaganda is an extension of tapping into stereotypes.

no, Propaganda the deliberate spreading of information, rumor or ideas for the sole purpose of hurting a group, person, nation or whatnot. Please feel free to show what the Indiana Jones Movies are spreading.

a Stereotype is a simplified conception or image with some special meaning that is viewed in common by members of a group.

However, in WORKS OF FICTION, stereotypes can always be found. That is NOT "Stereotyping affirms stereotypes" that's people finding stereotypes where there is none being made.

your claim of Film's have a problem in that they need to tell a story within 2 hours, therefore they revert to stereotype to define a character quickly so we can identify with them.
isn't right because 1) they have two hours to tell a story, that has nothing to do with Stereotyping but overused storytelling techniques or elements. 2) Most stories (especially adaptations of books) suffer because of the time limit. which is, again, not stereotyping but editing. and 3) suspension of belief in the audience is important to get that story told within the 2 hour timelimit and has NOTHING to do with stereotyping.

and since the claim is that this movie has a PRO-Jewish and ANTI-Arab propaganda, please show where those propaganda items appears in the Indiana Jones movies.

no, Propaganda the deliberate spreading of information, rumor or ideas for the sole purpose of hurting a group, person, nation or whatnot. Please feel free to show what the Indiana Jones Movies are spreading.

a Stereotype is a simplified conception or image with some special meaning that is viewed in common by members of a group.

However, in WORKS OF FICTION, stereotypes can always be found. That is NOT "Stereotyping affirms stereotypes" that's people finding stereotypes where there is none being made.

your claim of
isn't right because 1) they have two hours to tell a story, that has nothing to do with Stereotyping but overused storytelling techniques or elements. 2) Most stories (especially adaptations of books) suffer because of the time limit. which is, again, not stereotyping but editing. and 3) suspension of belief in the audience is important to get that story told within the 2 hour timelimit and has NOTHING to do with stereotyping.

and since the claim is that this movie has a PRO-Jewish and ANTI-Arab propaganda, please show where those propaganda items appears in the Indiana Jones movies.

Junii...honestly...

Where did I claim Indiana Jones movies are propaganda?

Propaganda exaggerates stereotypes, hence the evil Jew pictures used by Aryan groups, to enforce the 'hurting of a group, person, nation or whatnot', or even the other way around, to the 'benefit of a group, person, nation or whatnot.

Films use stereotypes to develop characters quickly - I'm not making a judgment on stereotypes, they can be used for good or bad depending on the medium.

The point about 2 hours is something you've also agreed with - we don't want to watch 4 hour films and therefore, to develop character quickly, films find an easy method is to revert to stereotypes.

I'm not beating any drum, I'm simply pointing out the use of stereotypes in films - when you ask me to name a film without any, why would I when that is in agreement with what seems to be both our positions?

Junii...honestly...

Where did I claim Indiana Jones movies are propaganda? You don't see it? Let me break it down for you then. The argument you jumped in on was about the propaganda aspect of the Indiana Jones Movies.

go back and read the back and forth between peeplona and others if you don't believe me.

You go on about how Stereotypes affirm stereotypes and people act on them (I don't deny people don't act on stereotypes.)

Then you make a comment about propaganda which ties in your remarks about Stereotypes in with Propaganda use. (remember, the subject of the conversation you jumped in on is the Propaganda aspect of the Indiana Jones Movies.)

So it's not ME misreading your posts. but YOU jumping in while not following the conversation.

Propaganda exaggerates stereotypes, hence the evil Jew pictures used by Aryan groups, to enforce the 'hurting of a group, person, nation or whatnot', or even the other way around, to the 'benefit of a group, person, nation or whatnot.Propaganda exaggerates Stereotypes... by exaggerating anything (like a Stereotype) it stops being a stereotype (or whatever it was) and becomes a lie. Then the propaganda is built around that. Thus it's lies, not Stereotypes that give birth to Propagandas.

Films use stereotypes to develop characters quickly - I'm not making a judgment on stereotypes, they can be used for good or bad depending on the medium. Films develop their characters using stereotypical METHODS. not stereotypes. stereotypical methods include 1) exposistion, 2) use of Flashbacks, 3) Conflicts 4) a short scene to show a change in the character's life 5) a day in the life... a film that relies only on Stereotypes as their characters end up with 2 dimensional characters that will fail (unless the point is to use stereotypical characters like humorous, satirical or parodies.) that's why most major film studios strive NOT to use stereotypical characters in anything but backdrop/VERY minor characters.

The point about 2 hours is something you've also agreed with - we don't want to watch 4 hour films and therefore, to develop character quickly, films find an easy method is to revert to stereotypes. films use other methods to devleop characters. take any film school and you'll see that they don't want you using stereotypes as characters. Infact, most film producers want stories that BREAK popular stereotypes (a gentleman pirate, A soft hearted soldier of fortune/cop/assassin, an honest politician, a broken optimist...) the problem is, those then turn into stereotypes and it becomes harder to find new and different characters to keep the film industry going. That's why it seems like they like to use Stereotypes. Not that they are, but the concept has been done so many times before and thus used more by 'accident' than purpose.

I'm not beating any drum, I'm simply pointing out the use of stereotypes in films - when you ask me to name a film without any, why would I when that is in agreement with what seems to be both our positions?when I say name a film I'm showing you anyone can find a stereotype in any piece of fiction. Just like anyone can find evil in any good act. They will find a stereotype if they look for it. It's also a comment on how hard it is to make a character that is fresh and new.

Because them what stand against the nation of Israel (either as a scattered people or a state) are obviously in the wrong, and must be punished by the will of Jehovah.
It wasn't the Will of Jehovah that took out the Nazis, it was the magic light coming from the Jew Box of Indiscriminate Slaughter.
No. It is also about smacking around the naughty Indians too.

Pretty much the whole thing comes down to smacking around the various naughty ethnic groups of the British Empire.
The British Empire had nothing to do with it, Indy's an American (I think). India and the Middle East are exotic locations, so that makes them ideal places to stage an exotic adventure. Do you really think anyone would have gone to see the Lost Ark if it were set in Wisconsin?

Is that like, Star Jones?

Well SOMEBODY'S gotta be the badguy. Would you prefer an elementary school full of Australia's youth?

Now THAT's an Indiana Jones movie I could watch!

You don't see it? Let me break it down for you then. The argument you jumped in on was about the propaganda aspect of the Indiana Jones Movies.

go back and read the back and forth between peeplona and others if you don't believe me.

You go on about how Stereotypes affirm stereotypes and people act on them (I don't deny people don't act on stereotypes.)

Then you make a comment about propaganda which ties in your remarks about Stereotypes in with Propaganda use. (remember, the subject of the conversation you jumped in on is the Propaganda aspect of the Indiana Jones Movies.)

...and that's where you misread me.

Simple question: do you think there are stereotypes in film?

Nerds with bad teeth who wear glasses, rugged heroes....

I'd like to understand what your bone of contention is?

It wasn't the Will of Jehovah that took out the Nazis, it was the magic light coming from the Jew Box of Indiscriminate Slaughter.


Think of it as the jewish version of the Ravenous Bugbladder Beast of Traal. That's why closing your eyes protects you from it. :)

But... But it had Sean Connery in it! Nothing with Sean Connery can be bad, you can just close your eyes and listen to him talk! Did that during that piece of shite he made with Catherine Zeta Jones, worked like a charm.


Unless he was saying something to her like "Your husband is nearly older than me" or "...Well thats odd, because mine works just fine" I don't think I'd find it appealling

No. It is also about smacking around the naughty Indians too.

Pretty much the whole thing comes down to smacking around the various naughty ethnic groups of the British Empire.

Next up, "Indiana Jones and the Cod of Knowledge" in which Indiana Jones must fight his way through the pubs of Dublin, in search of the elusive cod of knowledge, aided by his amiable drunken Irish sidekick Brendan Bean, trying to reach it before his Arch enemy, miserable drunken Irish evil genius Patrick Kavanah......

;)Next up, "Indiana Jones and the Cod of Knowledge" in which Indiana Jones must fight his way through the pubs of Dublin, in search of the elusive cod of knowledge, aided by his amiable drunken Irish sidekick Brendan Bean, trying to reach it before his Arch enemy, miserable drunken Irish evil genius Patrick Kavanah......

With the mythical stoney soil??!!

;)

With the mythical stoney soil??!!


Thats his mystical weapon. He starts droning out "O Stoney Grey soil.." and milk turns, birds drop from the sky, and stout fails to settle....The TV in the pub gets intereference on all the sports channels showing horse racing and football, but not the mens gymnastic floor excercises...........

So, can we all sit back and expect another two hours of cosy pro-Jewish, anti-Arab propaganda?

Anti-Arab =/= anti-Nazi, anti-Voodoo, and anti-Swordsmanship propaganda.

If this movie is better than Live Free or Die Hard, I'll be pleasantly surprised and will go to see it. But it has to be at least three times as good which means it must at least reach the altar of mediocrity.

Germanic as in..."Ach! Mine digits!", yes? ;)
That'd be another show with a British-accented badguy.

Just like the Death Star commander had a British accent (Peter Cushing -- "you may fah hwen rehdi") in Star Wars, and listen for Carrie Fisher's attempt (or unwitting slip) at an accent when she speaks with or near them (especially the "foul stench" and "slip through your fingers" lines when she's brought up to watch that planet go "foom").

It wasn't the Will of Jehovah that took out the Nazis, it was the magic light coming from the Jew Box of Indiscriminate Slaughter.

The British Empire had nothing to do with it, Indy's an American (I think). India and the Middle East are exotic locations, so that makes them ideal places to stage an exotic adventure. Do you really think anyone would have gone to see the Lost Ark if it were set in Wisconsin?

Jew Box of Indiscriminate Slaughter. Batteries sold separately. Some assembly required. Not responsible for loss of flesh.

Wisconsin? Indiana Jones and the Cheese of Time? Exotic locations! Lambeau Field! Wausau! Appleton!