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NSG's Eternal Arguments Explained! Liberal or Conservative, it Depends on Your Brain!

NERVUN
10-09-2007, 12:40
Homo politicus: brain function of liberals, conservatives differs

by Marlowe HoodSun Sep 9, 1:33 PM ET

The brain neurons of liberals and conservatives fire differently when confronted with tough choices, suggesting that some political divides may be hard-wired, according a study released Sunday.

Aristotle may have been more on the mark than he realised when he said that man is by nature a political animal.

Dozens of previous studies have established a strong link between political persuasion and certain personality traits.

Conservatives tend to crave order and structure in their lives, and are more consistent in the way they make decisions. Liberals, by contrast, show a higher tolerance for ambiguity and complexity, and adapt more easily to unexpected circumstances.

The affinity between political views and "cognitive style" has also been shown to be heritable, handed down from parents to children, said the study, published in the British journal Nature Neuroscience.

Intrigued by these correlations, New York University political scientist David Amodio and colleagues decided to find out if the brains of liberals and conservatives reacted differently to the same stimuli.

A group of 43 right-handed subjects were asked to perform a series of computer tests designed to evaluate their unrehearsed response to cues urging them to break a well-established routine.

"People often drive home from work on the same route, day after day, such that it becomes habitual and doesn't involve much thinking," Amodio explained by way of comparison in an e-mail.

"But occasionally there is road work, or perhaps an animal crosses the road, and you need to break out of your habitual response in order to deal with this new information."

Using electroencephalographs, which measure neuronal impulses, the researchers examined activity in a part of the brain -- the anterior cingulate cortex -- that is strongly linked with the self-regulatory process of conflict monitoring.

The match-up was unmistakable: respondents who had described themselves as liberals showed "significantly greater conflict-related neural activity" when the hypothetical situation called for an unscheduled break in routine.

Conservatives, however, were less flexible, refusing to deviate from old habits "despite signals that this ... should be changed."

Whether that is good or bad, of course, depends on one's perspective: one could interpret the results to mean that liberals are nimble-minded and conservatives rigid and stubborn.

Or one could, with equal justice, conclude that wishy-washy liberals don't stick to their guns, while conservatives and steadfast and loyal.

As to the more intriguing question of which comes first, the patterns in neuron activity or the political orientation, Amodio is reluctant to hazard a guess.

"The neural mechanisms for conflict monitoring are formed early in childhood," and are probably rooted in part in our genetic heritage, he said.

"But even if genes may provide a blueprint for more liberal or conservative orientations, they are shaped substantially by one's environment over the course of development," he added.

Obscuring causal links even more is the fact that the brain is malleable and neural functions can change as a result of new experiences.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070909/hl_afp/scienceneuroscience_070909173324

Well, this explains why the arguments keep going on and no one ever gets anywhere.
The Sentient Coalition
10-09-2007, 12:42
Well, this explains why the arguments keep going on and no one ever gets anywhere.

Well...that and the lack of tact and persuasive points in said arguments.
Epic Fusion
10-09-2007, 12:44
Everything always comes down to Myers-Briggs type indicator in the end:)
Heikoku
10-09-2007, 12:44
Mmm... Due to the rise in liberalism the world has had since, well, the Middle Ages, if genetics dictate it, liberals will eventually get their wishes by default... Good.
Ifreann
10-09-2007, 12:44
I'm sure I've seen a thread along these lines before.

Also, in before one study proves nothing.
Lunatic Goofballs
10-09-2007, 13:01
So if I'm neither, does that mean I'm brain damaged? Or that everybody else is? :D
Corneliu 2
10-09-2007, 13:05
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070909/hl_afp/scienceneuroscience_070909173324

Well, this explains why the arguments keep going on and no one ever gets anywhere.

This is very very interesting. Could explain why both sides do not understand eachother.
NERVUN
10-09-2007, 13:18
So if I'm neither, does that mean I'm brain damaged? Or that everybody else is? :D
My friend, I direct you to two sayings that explain all:

"Insanity is the spice of life" and "If being weird is normal, then being normal is weird". ;)
Corneliu 2
10-09-2007, 13:20
My friend, I direct you to two sayings that explain all:

"Insanity is the spice of life" and "If being weird is normal, then being normal is weird". ;)

Or as my mom always says: "You have to be a little insane to be sane otherwise you're insane."
Lunatic Goofballs
10-09-2007, 13:28
My friend, I direct you to two sayings that explain all:

"Insanity is the spice of life" and "If being weird is normal, then being normal is weird". ;)

Or think about it this way: Normality is fucking the world up. *nod*
Politeia utopia
10-09-2007, 13:33
Or think about it this way: Normality is fucking the world up. *nod*

A job for "People Against Goodness And Normality"?
The Blaatschapen
10-09-2007, 13:42
Everything always comes down to Myers-Briggs type indicator in the end:)

So what's your indicator? :p

Mine is ENFP :)
The Blaatschapen
10-09-2007, 13:48
I hope this doesn't raise false hopes of a cure for conservatism.

Nah, once the liberals see that the same could be done to them (being cured that is) they won't stick to their guns and will drop the project :p
Ifreann
10-09-2007, 13:50
I hope this doesn't raise false hopes of a cure for conservatism.

Brain removal: A cure for all your problems.
Rambhutan
10-09-2007, 13:50
I hope this doesn't raise false hopes of a cure for conservatism.
Pure Metal
10-09-2007, 14:25
interesting study...

So what's your indicator? :p

Mine is ENFP :)

i'm ISFP (http://www.personalitypage.com/ISFP.html), iirc. haven't done the test in ages.

y'know i did a little survey of NSG users a while back regarding personality types. didn't find any real strong correlations i think http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531103 but of course it was very informal
The Blaatschapen
10-09-2007, 14:36
interesting study...



i'm ISFP (http://www.personalitypage.com/ISFP.html), iirc. haven't done the test in ages.

y'know i did a little survey of NSG users a while back regarding personality types. didn't find any real strong correlations i think http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531103 but of course it was very informal

I must've mist that thread. Ah, end of June, yup I was busy :(
Epic Fusion
10-09-2007, 16:45
interesting study...



i'm ISFP (http://www.personalitypage.com/ISFP.html), iirc. haven't done the test in ages.

y'know i did a little survey of NSG users a while back regarding personality types. didn't find any real strong correlations i think http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531103 but of course it was very informal

I reckon there's no real filter on NSG, you'll probably get similiar to these http://www.geocities.com/lifexplore/ stats if everyone was professionally typed here.

You have to bear in mind, N's are more interested in personality theories, so are more likely to know/tell you their type. They are the ones who don't ask for evidence to back up a claim (especially NP's). S's normally enjoy theories that help them, or are useful, rather than just learning theory for the sake of it. So seems to me that more people show S traits here than N ones. (obviously more to N-S axis than that)

EDIT: click the articles link on the left then types stats, to see the stats I meant.
Intangelon
10-09-2007, 17:03
So what's your indicator? :p

Mine is ENFP :)

INXP -- The T/F (thinking/feeling) scores are always statistical dead heats, no matter when I've taken the test, and I've taken it four times.
Evil Turnips
10-09-2007, 18:44
But... that... makes no sense.... There's just too much evidence against it and it could lead to an end of democ-

Actually... Nevermind. I'll just watch... More fun that way....
Dontgonearthere
10-09-2007, 19:02
Well...that and the lack of tact and persuasive points in said arguments.

You mean "Fuck you, youre just an idiot and you spelled 'marmalade' wrong!" isnt a good arguement? Damn.
Vetalia
10-09-2007, 19:23
INTJ here.

I vacillate between both sides, oddly enough...I guess that makes me capable of both maintaining order and dealing with unexpected circumstances.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
10-09-2007, 20:15
y'know i did a little survey of NSG users a while back regarding personality types. didn't find any real strong correlations i think
Other than the strong correlation between being an NSer and being a huge nerd and, therefore, introverted and intuitive. Before anybody gets offended, I believe I tend to test as INTP/J myself.
Extreme Ironing
10-09-2007, 22:08
I'm Intj, at least as far I last time I took the test.

And the study results don't really surprise me at all.
Laterale
10-09-2007, 22:15
Excuse me, but where does this put Libertarians or other Independents?
Zilam
10-09-2007, 22:23
I was hoping it would be something like "Conservatives have no brain"
The South Islands
11-09-2007, 00:32
So does that mean Conservatives are, litterally, retarded?
The Sentient Coalition
11-09-2007, 12:48
So does that mean Conservatives are, litterally, retarded?

Hey look, justification for my earlier comment.
The Blaatschapen
11-09-2007, 14:20
INXP -- The T/F (thinking/feeling) scores are always statistical dead heats, no matter when I've taken the test, and I've taken it four times.

Well, yes, my E/I and my T/F where also near the middle but with a slight balance towards the E and F :) And especially after reading more on the weaknesses of the types I figured out that ENFP is my type (ignoring deadlines is my thing)
Ifreann
11-09-2007, 15:13
Excuse me, but where does this put Libertarians or other Independents?

Brainless.
Agerias
11-09-2007, 15:50
I knew it! Liberals have a brain disorder.
Federal Wisconsin
11-09-2007, 15:55
The suggestion that political hardwiring is hereditary could be false...

Conservatives have lots of children

Liberals kill them as fetuses

Therefore if Darwin and the study was right, Liberals are an endangered species! :D
Dinaverg
11-09-2007, 15:57
The suggestion that political hardwiring is hereditary could be false...

Conservatives have lots of children

Liberals kill them as fetuses

Therefore if Darwin and the study was right, Liberals are an endangered species! :D

Yes, but what with conservatives and their monogamy...
Upper Botswavia
11-09-2007, 16:02
* does that mean I'm brain damaged?* :D

Well, with you, there is a question that is rather rhetorical. :p









But brain damaged in the BEST way, of course! :D
Upper Botswavia
11-09-2007, 16:05
The suggestion that political hardwiring is hereditary could be false...

Conservatives have lots of children

Liberals kill them as fetuses

Therefore if Darwin and the study was right, Liberals are an endangered species! :D

Which only goes to prove (since liberalism continues to survive and spread despite those odds) that it is the fittest. Hmmm.
Federal Wisconsin
11-09-2007, 16:09
Which only goes to prove (since liberalism continues to survive and spread despite those odds) that it is the fittest. Hmmm.

Well, if you want to walk away from this with that - go ahead, I wasn't intent on changing your mind. Just remember the argument you stated works both ways...

Because you kill your own, the study's assertion that political views may be hereditary is false. Or you WOULD be extinct. That was my main point, with some political jabs thrown in there of course.
Dinaverg
11-09-2007, 16:15
Well, if you want to walk away from this with that - go ahead, I wasn't intent on changing your mind. Just remember the argument you stated works both ways...

Because you kill your own, the study's assertion that political views may be hereditary is false. Or you WOULD be extinct. That was my main point, with some political jabs thrown in there of course.

Or rather, we can keep our population to a reasonable limit, avoiding mass starvation and the like. *nod*
Ifreann
11-09-2007, 16:18
Because you kill your own, the study's assertion that political views may be hereditary is false. Or you WOULD be extinct. That was my main point, with some political jabs thrown in there of course.

But because conservatives kill and/or oppress everyone who's not the right colour, they'd eventually have a war on their hands and get destroyed.

Isn't useless stereotyping fun?