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When will this be affordable?

not in your lifetime.

and not worth the bother for much longer than that. it would be like living in an apartment building and never being able to go anywhere else, not even outside for a breath of fresh air.

No more than 50 years. Personally, I'd rather have my own moon (sort of like a private island) to live on, somewhere preferably cool like Jupiter or Saturn. It would be damn expensive, but it would be cool.

not in your lifetime.

and not worth the bother for much longer than that. it would be like living in an apartment building and never being able to go anywhere else, not even outside for a breath of fresh air.

What about clear domes that let you look out into the sky?

Besides, all I'm looking for is 1/4 of the gravity I have now, and absolute silence. Give me that and a moon rover rally racing circuit, and I will be happy.

Besides, all I'm looking for is 1/4 of the gravity I have now, and absolute silence. Give me that and a moon rover rally racing circuit, and I will be happy.

And the best internet connection in the solar system.

And the best internet connection in the solar system.What would be the latency of a moon to earth internet connection?

What would be the latency of a moon to earth internet connection?

Who cares? All the awesome people would live on the moon, fuck Earthlings.

depends how rich you get.

The low gravity might sound like fun, but really it's just a royal road to being grossly unfit.

There are no other advantages to living on the moon. Why bother, when it would be cheaper to live in orbit and have no gravity at all?

It's a good place for that sun tan! About 5 seconds of it before you burn into a crisp.

What would be the latency of a moon to earth internet connection?

Hmm...that may require some investigative work. The way I view it, though, if you can afford to live on/purchase a moon or planetoid, you can probably afford ways to get around that problem.

What would be the latency of a moon to earth internet connection?

Seeing as most of the distance is as-the-crow flies, and through a vaccum, I'd guess it wouldn't have much effect.

Biggest problem is probably still gonna be that distance again in cabling it has to travel through either end of its spaceward journey.

I would live on the moon if it had a flag with TAANSTAFL on it.

What would be the latency of a moon to earth internet connection?

I'd imagine we'd use like, lasers or something.

Have none of you seen "Space 1999"? It answers all these questions....

What about clear domes that let you look out into the sky?

Besides, all I'm looking for is 1/4 of the gravity I have now, and absolute silence. Give me that and a moon rover rally racing circuit, and I will be happy.

it would be the same as looking out the window.


you might be able to get a research job on the moon that would be like getting one in antarctica but there will be no civilian housing in your lifetime. maybe never.

Internet from the moon should be possible as if we can control a spacecraft near Jupiter from NASA, it's possible indeed. The latency though, could a quite an issue though.

I would live on the moon if it had a flag with TAANSTAFL on it.

The moon is a harsh mistress...

What would be the latency of a moon to earth internet connection?

Speed of light = 300,000,000 m/s (more or less)
Distance to the moon = 384,403 km
lag one way = 1.28 seconds, so the latency would be about 2.5 seconds.

Speed of light = 300,000,000 m/s (more or less)
Distance to the moon = 384,403 km
lag one way = 1.28 seconds, so the latency would be about 2.5 seconds.

Daaammn. Plus you'd probably need a satellite connection, so your upload speed would only be 64Kb anyway. :(

Hmm...that may require some investigative work. The way I view it, though, if you can afford to live on/purchase a moon or planetoid, you can probably afford ways to get around that problem.

It'd be interesting to live out there, but I'd wait until the supply chain up there was like going to Safeway. I'm not so sure I want to spend my days drinking Tang and eating food in a tube.

And if it were possible to shorten the latency created by the distance, I'm sure satellite providers would have done it a long time ago. Most improvements in SatCom come from improving the transmission and re-transmission efficiencies of the link. The speed of light is a pretty tough limit to break.

Daaammn. Plus you'd probably need a satellite connection, so your upload speed would only be 64Kb anyway. :(
You'd probably need a bent pipe on both ends. I think you could certainly get better uplink speed and that's where the money would be spent.

Better develop a good gaming culture on the moon.

You'd probably need a bent pipe on both ends. I think you could certainly get better uplink speed and that's where the money would be spent.

Better develop a good gaming culture on the moon.

Maybe a cable connection would be better?
Develop a space elevator, and then tie the cable to that.

Maybe a cable connection would be better?
Develop a space elevator, and then tie the cable to that.

I award you "Daft Science" medal, second class.

Light travels slower in a glass strand than in a vacuum.
The moon is not geo-stationary.
Adding weight along the length of the space elevator is a bad idea.

Daaammn. Plus you'd probably need a satellite connection, so your upload speed would only be 64Kb anyway. :(

On the plus side, no cloud cover to disturb satellite connections. Solar flares and radiation belts will be a bitch though.

I award you "Daft Science" medal, second class.

Light travels slower in a glass strand than in a vacuum.
The moon is not geo-stationary.
Adding weight along the length of the space elevator is a bad idea.

Aside from the orbital mechanics problems of a moon revolving around the Earth, the number of repeaters that you would need to run a fiber-optic system might be even more daunting than the additional delays.

I award you "Daft Science" medal, second class.

Light travels slower in a glass strand than in a vacuum.
The moon is not geo-stationary.
Adding weight along the length of the space elevator is a bad idea.


:rolleyes:

Edit: I believe the thread had already deteriorated into nonsensibility.

Man, I'm sure out-thinking someone tonight.

Daaammn. Plus you'd probably need a satellite connection, so your upload speed would only be 64Kb anyway. :(

Yeah, I don't think they have cable out there yet. :p

On a lighter note:
Space Beirut: Great Game or Greatest Game?

On a lighter note:
Space Beirut: Great Game or Greatest Game?

The options you have presented are clearly biased against the game.

Besides, all I'm looking for is 1/4 of the gravity
Long term exposure to that would probably kill you very young. Not to mention make you a scrawny piece of shit.

The options you have presented are clearly biased against the game.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=14z99ZI8R_U
IN SPACE!

Long term exposure to that would probably kill you very young. Not to mention make you a scrawny piece of shit.

There's no reason to believe that. However, long-term exposure to null-g would make returning to a full-g environment lethal. *nod*

As for 1/4 gravity, I suspect that with intensive regular exercise, the worst of the medical problems could be avoided, but after a generation or two, the 'Lunars' would never be able to survive on Earth. *nod*

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=14z99ZI8R_U
IN SPACE!

I can't decide whether that would be better in low gravity, or incredibly high gravity...

Long term exposure to that would probably kill you very young. Not to mention make you a scrawny piece of shit.

Didn't the Russians kind of put that behind us? Can't you do Space Pilates or something and keep enough muscle mass to remain healthy?

I can't decide whether that would be better in low gravity, or incredibly high gravity...

Both. Yes, variable gravitational pull, specifically created for the most amazing drinking game of all time.

It's beautiful.

Didn't the Russians kind of put that behind us? Can't you do Space Pilates or something and keep enough muscle mass to remain healthy?

To a certain extent. loss of bone and muscle mass can be slowed. But not stopped. In null-g. On the moon, however....

I can't decide whether that would be better in low gravity, or incredibly high gravity...

Either way, it'd make a great drinking game. You have to have some fluid in the cup, anyway, right?

Both. Yes, variable gravitational pull, specifically created for the most amazing drinking game of all time.

It's beautiful.

That could get confusing... that varying gravity would probably make it kinda windy.

http://www.lunarregistry.com/land/index.shtml

Didn't the Russians kind of put that behind us? Can't you do Space Pilates or something and keep enough muscle mass to remain healthy?

Not for any extreme length of time.

http://www.lunarregistry.com/land/index.shtml

Can I get some Martian canals with that for my Lunar Yacht?

http://www.lunarregistry.com/land/index.shtml

I'm speechless.

Yep, the urge to buy stuff just because it is there sometimes overwhelms people's judgement. Like whether they actually get the thing they bought or if they bought it off someone who actually owned it in the first place.

Yep, the urge to buy stuff just because it is there sometimes overwhelms people's judgement. Like whether they actually get the thing they bought or if they bought it off someone who actually owned it in the first place.

Read the FAQ there.

Read the FAQ there.

I've read a bit, and it's not convincing me. If I built a bridge to Antarctica, could I claim the place as my property? I think not.

Sure, it's nice that the Lunar Registry are funding private colonization of the moon. But if people want to throw their money into that particular hole, I think it is plain fraud to give them a certificate making a claim to some kind of ownership of the (at this stage hypothetical) "real estate."

Look, if I register a company and sell shares, and my company builds rockets and supports a colony on the moon, everyone who helped my company do that by buying shares owns a share of my company, not acreage on the moon.

They're not as bad as some of the moon scams, but by mapping out what individual investors "register a claim to" they are implicitly selling what is not theirs to sell. Let the buyer beware.

On Soviet Earth, Moon moons YOU!

It's the ideal site to "moon" the world, then they can try to charge you with global indecency !!!!! would that fall under the UN regulations or does the US already have a contingency law for this ?

There's no reason to believe that. However, long-term exposure to null-g would make returning to a full-g environment lethal. *nod*

As for 1/4 gravity, I suspect that with intensive regular exercise, the worst of the medical problems could be avoided, but after a generation or two, the 'Lunars' would never be able to survive on Earth. *nod*

Due to reduced gravity, even first generation Lunars would be fairly tall. Imagine 5 foot tall 6 year olds.

Due to reduced gravity, even first generation Lunars would be fairly tall. Imagine 5 foot tall 6 year olds.Except that colder temperatures tend to produce shorter, stockier people.

Really though, you don't lose much heat energy to a vacuum, so is the problem going to be keeping your place warm or keeping it cool? I mean, the only thing absorbing heat on the moon is the rock, i.e. no atmosphere to hold it, and it doesn't absorb too much due to its light color. Unfortunately, that means that a good bit of that heat energy being reflected off the moon's surface is going to be hitting your buildings. If you don't make them at least as reflective, they're going to be absorbing some major heat and radiation. Of course, you make them too reflective, and you have just the opposite problem.

Fortunately, building underground solves all the heat and radiation problems, better protects you from space debris, and makes it easier to contain your atmosphere. The way I see it, the early Lunar habitats will be little domes, but any major building projects, like cities, will be mostly subterranean (sublunarean?) with only space ports and access points on the surface.

Hmm...that may require some investigative work. The way I view it, though, if you can afford to live on/purchase a moon or planetoid, you can probably afford ways to get around that problem.

You can afford to break causality and violate special relativity? Wow, you must be rich!

Except that colder temperatures tend to produce shorter, stockier people.

Nordic and Icelandic vikings disprove your statement :P

But seriously, the temperatures in such a habitat would be well regulated I imagine.