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Bush has another brain fart.

Zilam
06-09-2007, 04:42
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/complete/la-na-bush3sep03,0,7983117.story

Bush can't recall why Iraqi army disbanded

In biography excerpts, he says he initially wanted to maintain the forces: 'Yeah, I can't remember.'
By Molly Hennessy-Fiske, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 3, 2007
WASHINGTON -- One of the most heavily criticized actions in the aftermath of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003 was the decision, barely two months later, to disband the Iraqi army, alienating former soldiers and driving many straight into the ranks of anti-American militant groups.

But excerpts of a new biography of President Bush show him saying that he initially wanted to maintain the Iraqi army and, more surprising, that he cannot recall why his administration decided to disband it.

"The policy was to keep the army intact; didn't happen," Bush told biographer Robert Draper in excerpts published in Sunday's New York Times.

Draper pressed Bush to explain why, if he wanted to maintain the army, his chief administrator for Iraq, L. Paul Bremer III, issued an order in May 2003 disbanding the 400,000-strong army without pay.

"Yeah, I can't remember; I'm sure I said, 'This is the policy, what happened?' " Bush said, adding: "Again, Hadley's got notes on all this stuff" -- a reference to national security advisor Stephen J. Hadley.

Spokesmen for the White House and former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld declined to comment about the excerpts Sunday. Bremer could not be reached for comment.

Douglas J. Feith, then undersecretary of Defense for policy and an architect of the Iraq invasion, said the excerpts raised interesting questions about how the pivotal decision was made.

Feith was deeply involved in the decision-making process at the time, working closely with Bush and Bremer.

In February 2003, the month before the invasion, Feith briefed Bush about plans Rumsfeld had signed off on to maintain the Iraqi army. The assumption at the time, based on information provided by the CIA, was that the army would remain intact after the invasion, Feith said.

Instead, Iraqi officers fled their posts, which were ransacked and looted. U.S. officials inherited a military that would have to be overhauled or abandoned, Feith said in an interview Sunday, and they opted for the latter.

Feith said he could not comment about how involved the president was in the decision to change policy and dissolve the army.

"I don't know all the details of who talked to who about that," he said.

But he said the decision warrants scrutiny.

"I know there are people out there who say one of the most significant decisions the United States made [in Iraq] was the dissolution of the Iraqi army," Feith said. "So it's an interesting question. But very often on these things, until everybody writes memoirs and all the researchers look at the documents, some of these things are hard to sort out. You could be in the thick of it and not necessarily know all the details."

Feith, a visiting professor at Georgetown University, is the author of a forthcoming memoir, "War and Decision," about his work in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Draper's book "Dead Certain" is to be released Tuesday.

You know, this leads to believe one of two things: 1) Either Bush and friends either out right lie about not knowing these types of things, or 2) They really have forgotten a lot of important details.

Either way, doesn't this type of thing, and the response to it by Bush and friends, constitute for us to remove them for either option. Either they are will fully lying to the American people, or they are not capable of running a country, because they forget everything. Insane I tell you. Good thing there are only 500 or so days left of his reign.
The Brevious
06-09-2007, 04:47
He also doesn't remember much of his "last year" in the National Guard and why he couldn't make his physicals ... nor does he remember much of anything of his college days. Nor up to his "being born again".
Nor does he remember Bin Laden.

Probably a tradition/legacy he's *again* trying to keep up with.
http://www.moldea.com/reagan-gj.html
Zilam
06-09-2007, 04:48
He also doesn't remember much of his "last year" in the National Guard and why he couldn't make his physicals ... nor does he remember much of anything of his college days. Nor up to his "being born again".
Nor does he remember Bin Laden.

Maybe it was all the coke he snorted back in the day. I bet that is why he can't remember anything.
The Brevious
06-09-2007, 04:51
Maybe it was all the coke he snorted back in the day. I bet that is why he can't remember anything.

:eek:
Zi! I'm shocked ... shocked! :p

It's hard to believe he would've gotten the right hole to stuff the coke into. He has problems even with pretzels.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/14/bush.fainting/index.html
Zilam
06-09-2007, 04:52
:eek:
Zi! I'm shocked ... shocked! :p

It's hard to believe he would've gotten the right hole to stuff the coke into. He has problems even with pretzels.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/14/bush.fainting/index.html


Well, the funny thing is that he heard it called crack, and thought that was where he should put it. :eek:
The Brevious
06-09-2007, 04:59
Well, the funny thing is that he heard it called crack, and thought that was where he should put it. :eek:

...then he was hangin' out with Stevie Nicks?

http://www.nerve.com/dispatches/nerveeditors/40celebrityrumors/01/
37. Stevie Nicks' alternate cocaine-delivery method
Supposedly, Fleetwood Mac's gypsy songstress, hoping to spare her vocal cords from her severe blow habit, got a little help from a coke-straw-bearing groupie. Nicks tends to be pretty forthright about her history of cocaine abuse, and she denies this story. But that doesn't mean that it didn't happen. We all know "Gold Dust Woman" was autobiographical, but maybe the phrase "roadie blowing coke up my ass" didn't fit the rhyme scheme. — PS


Whoa - a faint glimmer of respect for the little prick. Far out.
Zilam
06-09-2007, 05:01
...then he was hangin' out with Stevie Nicks?

http://www.nerve.com/dispatches/nerveeditors/40celebrityrumors/01/



Whoa - a faint glimmer of respect for the little prick. Far out.

Wow. Sounds like they live the good life.

I wonder, what is it about sniffing crap off of people's asses? I gotta try it out sometime.
The Brevious
06-09-2007, 05:03
Wow. Sounds like they live the good life.

I wonder, what is it about sniffing crap off of people's asses? I gotta try it out sometime.

Aren't you still a virgin? :p
Besides, it was *her*. Can't say as i wouldn't have helped her out in some fashion or another if i was around her. She used to hang out with an ex-gf's mother, doing that on a yacht somewhere. :)
Demented Hamsters
06-09-2007, 07:47
You know, this leads to believe one of two things: 1) Either Bush and friends either out right lie about not knowing these types of things, or 2) They really have forgotten a lot of important details.

Either way, doesn't this type of thing, and the response to it by Bush and friends, constitute for us to remove them for either option. Either they are will fully lying to the American people, or they are not capable of running a country, because they forget everything. Insane I tell you. Good thing there are only 500 or so days left of his reign.
a couple of points:
Instead of saying, "They really have forgotten a lot of important details", you could just use, "They're incompetent fools."
500 days is a long time - more than enough time to forget other important stuff and instigate more and bigger fuck-ups.
So don't get too relaxed just yet.
Desperate Measures
06-09-2007, 14:10
You know, I haven't seen Dana Carvey in a while.

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51M49HANAWL._AA240_.jpg

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http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400999/dana_carvey_as_bush/


Things are beginning to make sense.
Andaras Prime
06-09-2007, 14:14
Well the CPA and later the US occupation forces found out the hard way exactly why Iraq was the way it was under Saddam.
The_pantless_hero
06-09-2007, 14:34
You know, I haven't seen Dana Carvey in a while.

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51M49HANAWL._AA240_.jpg

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http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400999/dana_carvey_as_bush/


Things are beginning to make sense.
Carvey played Bush senior...
Myrmidonisia
06-09-2007, 14:37
Damn, I thought you meant the sub-prime bailout.

Not that's a brain-fart. Bailing out poor people that are too stupid to realize what they have signed up to do...Bad use of our money.
Desperate Measures
06-09-2007, 14:42
Carvey played Bush senior...

Yeah...

But he was a pretty talented impersonator.
Dashanzi
06-09-2007, 16:51
I'd say blaming the Vietnam withdrawal (crushing miserable defeat, however you want to paint it) for the rise of the Khmer Rouge is the grandaddy of all brain farts.

Either that or he and his script-writer are evil lying fucks. I'm not sure.