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There's already another abortion thread but it's already at 30th page so I'm gonna make a new one here which is more specific in scope.

So how do you feel about people who went thru abortion? I mean both females who went thru the procedure and males who were ok with it or didnt try to stop. How do you feel about these people?

I personally respect them less, because they actually went thru killing a human being. And dont give me but it's just a parasite bullshit. Stick one inside your tummy. Does it grow into a human being? No. Sometimes, circumstances may be tragic. I may sympathize in such cases and I hope I wont be in their shoes. Ever. However, some people who go ahead with it because it was "inconvenient" or whatever truly make me sick.

Congrats on creating your very own thread designed for the sole purpose of judging others! Good job! Hope you're proud!

I wouldn't give a damn. Sorry, you're not going to have us all think abortion is murder.

I probably wouldn't care. As wrong as I find elective abortion, I really don't give a damn what others do...let them deal with their conscience on their own and with God(s) when the time comes to account for their actions.

There's already another abortion thread but it's already at 30th page so I'm gonna make a new one here which is more specific in scope.

So how do you feel about people who went thru abortion? I mean both females who went thru the procedure and males who were ok with it or didnt try to stop. How do you feel about these people?
I wouldn't know. after all, it's not something I would pry into. now if she were to tell me, and want emotional support, I would give as much as I could.

but would I hold it against her? nope. She made her choice and it's a choice one cannot unmake. If she feels guilty, I would offer support. if she doesn't, then I still would offer support.

but I won't think more or less of her. UNLESS, she uses her Abortion as a lauching mechanism to being a drama queen.

I feel sorry for them. In arguments, it may seem like some people have no problem with abortion whatsoever, but I think a majority of people are still uncomfortable with it (they just want it to be legal, hence pro-choice, not pro-abortion).
Would I respect them less? Not really. I would lose no more respect for them than I would for the person who impregnated them.

I wouldn't give two shits. I would be more concerned about the fact that the person trusts me enough to tell me that they have had an abortion.

Congrats on creating your very own thread designed for the sole purpose of judging others! Good job! Hope you're proud!

I was kinda confused. I thought about the point of my thread. Would it make people who went thru abortion feel bad? Would it make people think more if they are in such a situation. Because there are those out there who just dont think what they are doing. Both? Or would it have no effect whatsoever, being another internet thread where people defend their positions with 0 flexibility?

doesn't affect me in any way, so my attitude would be entirely neutral.

I was kinda confused. I thought about the point of my thread. Would it make people who went thru abortion feel bad? Would it make people think more if they are in such a situation. Because there are those out there who just dont think what they are doing. Both? Or would it have no effect whatsoever, being another internet thread where people defend their positions with 0 flexibility?

Why would you want to make these people feel bad? I'm sure that they feel bad enough already. I have a lot of reasons why I'm pro-choice, but I won't put myself at risk of carpel tunnel by wasting my breath here.

All I'm saying is, this entire thread is about judging others, and THAT is what makes ME sick.

Why would you want to make these people feel bad? I'm sure that they feel bad enough already. I have a lot of reasons why I'm pro-choice, but I won't put myself at risk of carpel tunnel by wasting my breath here.

All I'm saying is, this entire thread is about judging others, and THAT is what makes ME sick.

you must really be new here.

there are thousands of threads here that are nothing but judging other people, posters or not posters.

I want to poke at them with a metal wire till they turn semi liquid then suck them up with a vacuum cleaner. Problem is, id like to do that to people that like country music too. And Rap. And the color green. And parents who are trying to name kids non letter symbols you find on your keyboard. I think that covers it. Probably not.

you must really be new here.

there are thousands of threads here that are nothing but judging other people, posters or not posters.

Only sort of new. I was here, then I left, now I'm back!

EVERY message board is full of topics like this that judge others. And I comment on every last one of them. I keep thinking that the more I stand up for these people who are being judged, the less it will happen. It drives me crazy to see ignorance and intolerance breeding in places that are supposed to be intelligent. But it just keeps on happening, doesn't it?

Damn me and my goody two-shoes...

Why would you want to make these people feel bad? I'm sure that they feel bad enough already. I have a lot of reasons why I'm pro-choice, but I won't put myself at risk of carpel tunnel by wasting my breath here.

All I'm saying is, this entire thread is about judging others, and THAT is what makes ME sick.

I didnt say I wanna make them feel bad. I wouldnt post this if that would be the only result. I was wondering if the positive results (ie: Would it make people think more if they are in such a situation) would outweigh the negative results (ie: Would it make people who went thru abortion feel bad?) or not or just no effect? (ie: Or would it have no effect whatsoever, being another internet thread where people defend their positions with 0 flexibility?)

And dont generalize about judging others. We judge many people. And is some cases, rightly so...

I didnt say I wanna make them feel bad. I wouldnt post this if that would be the only result. I was wondering if the positive results (ie: Would it make people think more if they are in such a situation) would outweigh the negative results (ie: Would it make people who went thru abortion feel bad?) or not or just no effect? (ie: Or would it have no effect whatsoever, being another internet thread where people defend their positions with 0 flexibility?)

And dont generalize about judging others. We judge many people. And is some cases, rightly so...

Name ONE time when it's okay to judge people. I can. When you get elected Judge. And even then you keep it in the courtroom.

I'd have to go with neutral. Its not my place to judge people based on the medical procedures they consent to. So if its an abortion, cosmetic surgery, etc I don't really care either way.

It's all on case of circumstance.

You can't walk around saying "Hey, you had an abortion. YOU SUCK"

or to someone who didn't, "The baby is so cute, aren't you guilty you thought about giving her up?"

I mean, let's be serious, sometimes people hit unexpected ruts in the road and, in this case, the only thing they can do is get away.

I'm Pro-Choice. If a woman doesn't feel fit for a child, and isn't ready, she shouldn't be having that child. The life will be better off not being had than born to an anxious, un-ready mother.

Do you really think abortion is of same significance with cosmetic surgery?

Its a medical procedure of which is none of my business. Same can be said of cosmetic procedures or anything else. What business do I have judging someone else because of the medical procedures they've consented to?

Only sort of new. I was here, then I left, now I'm back!

EVERY message board is full of topics like this that judge others. And I comment on every last one of them. I keep thinking that the more I stand up for these people who are being judged, the less it will happen. It drives me crazy to see ignorance and intolerance breeding in places that are supposed to be intelligent. But it just keeps on happening, doesn't it?

Damn me and my goody two-shoes...
yep. so keep doing what we're doing. Don't cast judgement on anyone.

eventually, more people will not judge, but being that this board gets a shitload of new members... :rolleyes: ;) :cool:

I'd have to go with neutral. Its not my place to judge people based on the medical procedures they consent to. So if its an abortion, cosmetic surgery, etc I don't really care either way.

Do you really think abortion is of same significance with cosmetic surgery?

Name ONE time when it's okay to judge people. I can. When you get elected Judge. And even then you keep it in the courtroom.

We judge paedophiles, murderers, rapists, etc....

If they insist on bringing it up, they'll piss me off. I hate it when people talk about their medical adventures. I was in line at a KMart and this old dude started talking about his colonoscopy. It took all of my patience not to rudely tell him to shut up.

As a side note, I once overheard one girl in "ho" sunglasses say to another girl in "ho" sunglasses:

"My mom's such a bitch, she won't let me get another abortion."

Name ONE time when it's okay to judge people. I can. When you get elected Judge. And even then you keep it in the courtroom.

Careful. You're Judging him on having and voicing his opinions... ;) :p

"My mom's such a bitch, she won't let me get another abortion."

That's simply called "stupidity"

..and lack of contraception. Which was invented for that reason.

We judge paedophiles, murderers, rapists, etc....

No, YOU judge them. A prudent person would judge the act, not the person who committed the act. What's past is past. Also, it's important to realize that right and wrong are subjective to the individual, as well as to the situation.

If you had started a thread that said "what do you think of abortion", that would have been one thing. But you clearly stated that you wanted us to know what we thought of actual PEOPLE who made that choice. People are not actions.

No different, nor should you have us believe any different. Those who brandish it as an example of their feminism or freedom do piss me off a little, but I cannot honestly say it concerns me for the most part.

We judge paedophiles, murderers, rapists, etc....

To add on... we also judge people on their Political Standings, Religious Beliefs, Actions, Opinions, even their posting habits.

People are not actions.

Amen

Careful. You're Judging him on having and voicing his opinions... ;) :p

Good point! But am I judging, or challenging?

I try not to judge.

Well frankly if they're not bright enough to use a rubber I applaud the onset of brains that allows them to realize their genetics ought not be passed on to another generation of failures.

Most of the time, I feel sorry for them. What usually happens is a young girl gets pregnant, panics because this is going to ruine her entire life. So an abortionist comes and tells her everything she wants to hear. It's okay. We can put and end to this. We can make it like it never happened. No, it's not a real human being. Of course not. It's a fetus.

And they repeatedly use the term "fetus" instead of "baby". Baby would make it too real. Most of the pregnant girls that had an abortion were victims to manipulation. It's the abortionists that I judge. The people that perform the abortion.

The only one that I judge are the ones that don't seem to have any remorse, though I try not to judge them, either.

Most of the time, I feel sorry for them. What usually happens is a young girl gets pregnant, panics because this is going to ruine her entire life. So an abortionist comes and tells her everything she wants to hear. It's okay. We can put and end to this. We can make it like it never happened. No, it's not a real human being. Of course not. It's a fetus.

And they repeatedly use the term "fetus" instead of "baby". Baby would make it too real. Most of the pregnant girls that had an abortion were victims to manipulation. It's the abortionists that I judge. The people that perform the abortion.

The only one that I judge are the ones that don't seem to have any remorse, though I try not to judge them, either.

So is an abortionist something like an evolutionist? :rolleyes:

Most of the time, I feel sorry for them. What usually happens is a young girl gets pregnant, panics because this is going to ruine her entire life. So an abortionist comes and tells her everything she wants to hear. It's okay. We can put and end to this. We can make it like it never happened. No, it's not a real human being. Of course not. It's a fetus.

And they repeatedly use the term "fetus" instead of "baby". Baby would make it too real. Most of the pregnant girls that had an abortion were victims to manipulation. It's the abortionists that I judge. The people that perform the abortion.

The only one that I judge are the ones that don't seem to have any remorse, though I try not to judge them, either.

Maybe they use the term fetus as it is more correct then "baby" depending on the stage?

Whats an abortionist anyways?

It's a real word. At least, it's in my dictionary.

So an abortionist comes and tells her everything she wants to hear. It's okay. We can put and end to this. We can make it like it never happened. No, it's not a real human being. Of course not. It's a fetus.

"Abortionist"? Is that a real word? (My spell check isn't underlining it, but my spell check underlines "okay", so I'm wary of its truthfulness).

So is an abortionist something like an evolutionist? :rolleyes:

One and the same most times.

Stick one inside your tummy.

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1112312/AustinPowersinGoldmember-photo_18_hires.jpg

Get in mah belly!

Anyway, care factor=zero.

It's a real word. At least, it's in my dictionary.

Must be right next to truthyness too?

(Also lets all do the time warp <_<)

My dictionary calls it "an offensive term for somebody who performs abortions"

Well frankly if they're not bright enough to use a rubber I applaud the onset of brains that allows them to realize their genetics ought not be passed on to another generation of failures.

Agreed.

For fuck's sake, a condom (con-damn) is what, 50 cents?

This is what my dictionary says:

a·bor·tion·ist [ə báwrsh’nist]
(plural a·bor·tion·ists)
n
an offensive term for somebody who performs abortions, especially suggesting illegality of the procedure

Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Any reason you chose an offensive and emotive descriptor?

Must be right next to truthyness too?

(Also lets all do the time warp <_<)
Oh wait, he's right. "Abortionist--a person who carries out abortions (typically applied to someone not working in a hospital or used to convey disapproval of abortion)." (From The New Oxford American Dictionary).
All right, Alkenrelash. Your story checks out...for now.

I feel really sad that they had to make such a difficult decision.

True that approve or disaprove it is not an easy decision to make and one that can impact your life

Good point! But am I judging, or challenging?

since you're not focusing on his opinion "that being that his opinion of the person is lessened because they went through an abortion". it's not challenging his opinion.

you are however, focusing on what you perceive as him creating a thread to judge people.

People are not actions. yet we voice our opinions of President Bush, Republicans, Democrates, Micheal Vick, Pedeophiles, etc...

and we base those opinions on their actions. people may not be actions, but their personality, ethics, beliefs and whatnot all help determine the actions they take.

Some may view Abortion as Murder and thus look down on someone who goes through an abortion. others may view Abortion as a statement of Freedom of Choice without Government Interferance and will Cheer them for their actions.

A woman can choose to go through an abortion for many reasons. from Rape, to they just cannot afford to carry this child to term, to even the child/mother may not survive the 3rd trimester due to other circumstances. if someone wants to form an opinion with little or no information other than the action of making the choice, that is something they choose to do.

I feel really sad that they had to make such a difficult decision.

I feel really sad that they had to make such a difficult decision.

*nods in agreement*

This is what my dictionary says:

a·bor·tion·ist [ə báwrsh’nist]
(plural a·bor·tion·ists)
n
an offensive term for somebody who performs abortions, especially suggesting illegality of the procedure

Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

See I get this from the Oxford English Dictionary

* Chiefly depreciative. A person who advocates or supports abortion as a woman's right. Cf. anti-abortionist n. s.v. ANTI-ABORTION a.

Edit:

Apparently we've got three definitions now with the third coming in saying its people who preform abortions. So its in other words a fancy term for a doctor. Wow and we've got someone here criticizing those for using the term fetus going round about and calling a doctor an "abortionist" in their very own spin zone.

:rolleyes:

Any reason you chose an offensive and emotive descriptor?

Ummm.... I'm against it? Honestly, I thought it just meant 'someone who performs an abortion'.

since you're not focusing on his opinion "that being that his opinion of the person is lessened because they went through an abortion". it's not challenging his opinion.

you are however, focusing on what you perceive as him creating a thread to judge people.

yet we voice our opinions of President Bush, Republicans, Democrates, Micheal Vick, Pedeophiles, etc...

and we base those opinions on their actions. people may not be actions, but their personality, ethics, beliefs and whatnot all help determine the actions they take.

Some may view Abortion as Murder and thus look down on someone who goes through an abortion. others may view Abortion as a statement of Freedom of Choice without Government Interferance and will Cheer them for their actions.

A woman can choose to go through an abortion for many reasons. from Rape, to they just cannot afford to carry this child to term, to even the child/mother may not survive the 3rd trimester due to other circumstances. if someone wants to form an opinion with little or no information other than the action of making the choice, that is something they choose to do.

I'm not even talking about abortion. I never was. What gets to me is that sure, people judge other people. It's only human. We judge based on race, religion, social class, even astronomy.

The thing that gets me is that this guy started a thread for the sole purpose of being judgmental . He didn't voice his opinion on a thread about abortions, he instead STARTED a thread so he could JUDGE people for having an abortion.

Maybe instead of sitting around condemning these poor people for the choices they made, right or wrong, we should try to learn from them. WHY did they have an abortion? How did they feel when it was over? Would they do it again? Not questions that are designed to judge, but questions that are designed to learn from other people.

Ignorance breeds hate. Knowledge leads to peace.

There's already another abortion thread but it's already at 30th page so I'm gonna make a new one here which is more specific in scope.

So how do you feel about people who went thru abortion? I mean both females who went thru the procedure and males who were ok with it or didnt try to stop. How do you feel about these people?

I personally respect them less, because they actually went thru killing a human being. And dont give me but it's just a parasite bullshit. Stick one inside your tummy. Does it grow into a human being? No. Sometimes, circumstances may be tragic. I may sympathize in such cases and I hope I wont be in their shoes. Ever. However, some people who go ahead with it because it was "inconvenient" or whatever truly make me sick.

Judging others is what irritates me more.

Would I choose it myself? I don't believe I would.

Do I respect people less for having done it? No, I'd respect them less for having a child they could not afford, or abused or neglected because they weren't wanted.

Is it anyone's business but the woman's, her partner (if he's in a relationship with her) and her doctor's, nope.

When all the "you should raise them!" or "put them up for adoption!" people have actually done their part by adopting unwanted kids, then they're morally entitled to their opinion. When parents starve their children to death, or beat them to death because they never wanted them, that is in my mind far worse than aborting a pregnancy. As long as the foster care system is full of kids getting kicked out into the cold hard world mostly unprepared at 18, or kids languishing in abusive homes, or kids moved from place to place to place, or kids whose own parents won't put them up for adoption but won't care for them either, preventing them from having a single, stable, loving family, these empty proclamations about what to do with private lives annoy me.

Judging others is what irritates me more.

Would I choose it myself? I don't believe I would.

Do I respect people less for having done it? No, I'd respect them less for having a child they could not afford, or abused or neglected because they weren't wanted.

Is it anyone's business but the woman's, her partner (if he's in a relationship with her) and her doctor's, nope.

When all the "you should raise them!" or "put them up for adoption!" people have actually done their part by adopting unwanted kids, then they're morally entitled to their opinion. As long as the foster care system is full of kids getting kicked out into the cold hard world mostly unprepared at 18, or kids languishing in abusive homes, or kids moved from place to place to place, or kids whose own parents won't put them up for adoption but won't care for them either, preventing them from having a single, stable, loving family, these empty proclamations about what to do with private lives annoy me.

Agreed. I often wonder what would happen should one of those going into an abortion clinic were to grab a bull horn and ask any of those people against abortion be willing to sign an iron clad contract to adopt that child. Would they do it?

Well frankly if they're not bright enough to use a rubber I applaud the onset of brains that allows them to realize their genetics ought not be passed on to another generation of failures.

You've never heard of contraception failure, eh?

Why do my posts need to be viewed by a moderator? Did I get flagged or something?

Why do my posts need to be viewed by a moderator? Did I get flagged or something?

It's cause you're a noob. It'll pass.

It's cause you're a noob. It'll pass.

Ok, thanks! Thought it was something I said...

You've never heard of contraception failure, eh?

Oh it happens, but honestly if you look at it statistically the odds of getting pregnant without anything are pretty low, the odds of contraceptive failure are less than 1%, even if you're incredibly fertile a woman can only conceive about 3 days out of the month. It's asking quite a lot to say that the contraceptive failed and that one shot ended up getting someone knocked up. It's not outside the realm of possibility, but it's rare. Probably a 1/1000 shot or more odds.

Why do my posts need to be viewed by a moderator? Did I get flagged or something?

3 more posts and those warning signs stop.

3 more posts and those warning signs stop.

It's letting me post now, but I had a really good point that didn't get posted!

Oh well, I'm sure you all have heard it a million times from dirty liberal lazy tree-huggin' hippies like me, right?

Why do my posts need to be viewed by a moderator? Did I get flagged or something?

Blame Jolt. They've decided since their other forums are inundated with spammers about iPods and Viagra, everyone whose post count is less than ten gets flagged.

If you want to get it over with quickly, go to the spam forum and post ten times. ;)

Blame Jolt. They've decided since their other forums are inundated with spammers about iPods and Viagra, everyone whose post count is less than ten gets flagged.

If you want to get it over with quickly, go to the spam forum and post ten times. ;)

Doesn't the irony that you have to spam to get around the spam filter just kill you?

Oh it happens, but honestly if you look at it statistically the odds of getting pregnant without anything are pretty low, the odds of contraceptive failure are less than 1%, even if you're incredibly fertile a woman can only conceive about 3 days out of the month. It's asking quite a lot to say that the contraceptive failed and that one shot ended up getting someone knocked up. It's not outside the realm of possibility, but it's rare. Probably a 1/1000 shot or more odds.

Actually, it's higher.
http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/birthcontrol/a/effectivenessbc.htm
http://www.contraceptivetechnology.com/table.html
http://www.fda.gov/Fdac/features/1997/babytabl.html


That less than one percent statistic applies to PERFECT USE, meaning, for instance, never ever forgetting to take the pill, taking it at the same time each day, having it at the correct dosage for one's weight, not having it unknowingly lessened in efficacy by other medications you are taking...

Condoms do break or slip.

And there are plenty of teens who play the "it's not going to happen to me" game and lose.

Doesn't the irony that you have to spam to get around the spam filter just kill you?

I do find it amusing, yes.

I assume that they are women and, therefore, are incapable of prolonged, physically-trying activity and given to fainting spells.

Blame Jolt. They've decided since their other forums are inundated with spammers about iPods and Viagra, everyone whose post count is less than ten gets flagged.

If you want to get it over with quickly, go to the spam forum and post ten times. ;)

You know 10 hours worth a work and you could have a decent python bot that killed the spammers without that

I'm not even talking about abortion. I never was. What gets to me is that sure, people judge other people. It's only human. We judge based on race, religion, social class, even astronomy.

The thing that gets me is that this guy started a thread for the sole purpose of being judgmental . He didn't voice his opinion on a thread about abortions, he instead STARTED a thread so he could JUDGE people for having an abortion. and thus, you just answered your question about whether or not you're judging or challenging. :p

Maybe instead of sitting around condemning these poor people for the choices they made, right or wrong, we should try to learn from them. WHY did they have an abortion? How did they feel when it was over? Would they do it again? Not questions that are designed to judge, but questions that are designed to learn from other people.

Ignorance breeds hate. Knowledge leads to peace. and if you read the thread as well as view the poll results. most people are leaning that way themselves. :cool:

As a strong advocate of eugenics, I'm thoroughly pro-death.

You know 10 hours worth a work and you could have a decent python bot that killed the spammers without that

For whatever reason, though, this is how they decided to handle it.

Stick one inside your tummy. Does it grow into a human being? No. Sometimes, circumstances may be tragic.

Dude, what? Stick one inside someone's tummy and it'll be digested like any other similar matter.

Are you seriously advocating eating babies? :confused:

When all the "you should raise them!" or "put them up for adoption!" people have actually done their part by adopting unwanted kids, then they're morally entitled to their opinion. When parents starve their children to death, or beat them to death because they never wanted them, that is in my mind far worse than aborting a pregnancy. As long as the foster care system is full of kids getting kicked out into the cold hard world mostly unprepared at 18, or kids languishing in abusive homes, or kids moved from place to place to place, or kids whose own parents won't put them up for adoption but won't care for them either, preventing them from having a single, stable, loving family, these empty proclamations about what to do with private lives annoy me.

I would. In fact, I'm planning to adopt children.

If they didn't care enough to put them up for adoption they probably wouldn't care enough to have an abortion.

Oh it happens, but honestly if you look at it statistically the odds of getting pregnant without anything are pretty low, the odds of contraceptive failure are less than 1%, even if you're incredibly fertile a woman can only conceive about 3 days out of the month. It's asking quite a lot to say that the contraceptive failed and that one shot ended up getting someone knocked up. It's not outside the realm of possibility, but it's rare. Probably a 1/1000 shot or more odds.

Yet, it's happened to me twice.

"with perfect use" statistics don't work really well in the "real world".

I don't have feelings one way or the other should I learn that someone has had an abortion.



They only annoy me when they insist on showing the home video of how they got pregnant in the first place. Especially over dinner....

Honestly?

I applaud people who took the difficult decision to have an abortion if the considered it to be the best option, and I wish them the best of luck in the rest of their lives.

I don't have feelings one way or the other should I learn that someone has had an abortion.



They only annoy me when they insist on showing the home video of how they got pregnant in the first place. Especially over dinner....

Now that would be awkward!

Why would I feel positive or negative about them? What a silly question. You might as well ask "How do you feel about people who were in a car crash? Positive or negative?"
I will feel symapthetic, as I know it's a very difficult decision, and that an unwanted pregnancy mean a lot of emotional stress and trauma. But I won't feel positive or negative about them.

It would not be an easy decision, and I would assume that such a decision would stick in their mind for the rest of their life, full of what ifs and maybes. I also would understand the fear they might feel about letting people know because of the reactions of people (Such as in this thread and in the other abortion thread). So if they did tell me, I wouldn't feel positive or negative, but I would offer any help they might need or want.

Edit: I forgot, this thread reminded me of this particular article: http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

There's already another abortion thread but it's already at 30th page so I'm gonna make a new one here which is more specific in scope.

So how do you feel about people who went thru abortion? I mean both females who went thru the procedure and males who were ok with it or didnt try to stop. How do you feel about these people?

I personally respect them less, because they actually went thru killing a human being. And dont give me but it's just a parasite bullshit. Stick one inside your tummy. Does it grow into a human being? No. Sometimes, circumstances may be tragic. I may sympathize in such cases and I hope I wont be in their shoes. Ever. However, some people who go ahead with it because it was "inconvenient" or whatever truly make me sick.

Hey,

To me it is wrong to take a life and people have their right to disagree, but I love children and I would love to have a child. I don't understand how some one would place their own needs before the Life of a child.

It would kill me if my child would die, I feel life is worth more then all the money in the world.

It would not be an easy decision, and I would assume that such a decision would stick in their mind for the rest of their life, full of what ifs and maybes. I also would understand the fear they might feel about letting people know because of the reactions of people (Such as in this thread and in the other abortion thread). So if they did tell me, I wouldn't feel positive or negative, but I would offer any help they might need or want.

Edit: I forgot, this thread reminded me of this particular article: http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

Wow. That's a very god article. I've heard about cases like that before, but reading it in such a condensed form makes for a fascinating insight in the human psyche.

Nutjobs on the right love to attack abortion, but aren't as eager to attack the genuine causes for the problem. Labor in the UK used to have this saying, 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime'. It's easy to boycott a clinic or say things in the media, it's difficult to get to the reasons why women have abortions, which are profoundly economic. If women knew they could have free healthcare for their child when pregnant and after, as well as free child care, and any support they needed, the abortion rate would be almost nothing.

Of course their will be always those who want to have an abortion even if they are wealthy or have the means to care easily, and in that case their choice should be respected, but the majority of abortion comes about in low socio-economic brackets, for women having sex out of wedlock, and the cumulation of the responsibility, as well as economic restraints (mainly in time due to work), cause them to get an abortion when they become aware of the pregnancy.

As I said, it's easy for the rapid nutjobs on the right to attack and say token phrases like 'I am against abortion', real leadership from politicians comes when one would say 'Abortion is a tragedy, but the only way they can fight it is not through prohibition, but through attacking it's economic causes', that's something you can respect.

I am against abortion btw, I see it as a key anti-social problem, which must be combated through social policy. In short abortion should be dealt with in substance, not sound byte.

Mildly positive. While it is true that the decision doesn't affect me, I can applaud a woman who doesn't bring a fetus to term that she doesn't want to care for or can't afford to.
Also, I think it's good to not contribute to the overpopulation of the world.

I wouldn't really think less of that person, so I voted I try to be non-judgmental, but I could also have voted for neutral. Maybe I should have voted for mildly positive if she did it while the society she lives in or the people around her are against it.

Personally, I'm anti-abortion. However, this shouldn't be taken to mean I want it outlawed or anything of the sort. It's their body, their right, and who am I to judge? If someone specifically asks me, I'll give my opinion, which they are allowed to ignore. If someone ignores my opinion and has one anyway, meh, they can. I'll try not to judge them for it, even if I don't condone the act.

Incidentally, I'll defend this as the most accurate Christian perspective - hate the sin, love the sinner, and all that.

The people I know who've had abortions I feel made the most sensible choice.

Some of the people I know who didn't have abortions I feel made a foolish decision.

I'm pro-choice. Each person has the right complete control over their body regardless of gender, in my opinion.

A woman can make the choice and it is her choice to make alone unless she wishes to involve other people. Her choice to abort is part of her reproductive rights and part of the rights to the control of her body.

Even if I disagree with the reason presented should it seem superficial, it is still the choice of the woman.

I probably wouldn't care. As wrong as I find elective abortion, I really don't give a damn what others do...let them deal with their conscience on their own and with God(s) when the time comes to account for their actions.

I second that as well.

But I think that there is more to play that just morality - like the increasing use of abortion as a contraception and the rising cases of STDs because girls find abortions are apparently easier than either keeping their legs shut or demanding their boyfriend uses a condom.

I find it funny that gays are beaten up over the issue of HIV/AIDS and yet no one dares to start demanding heterosexuals be held to account for their mountain of unwanted pregnancies, neglected children and having children knowing they don't have the resources to cope.

It would not be an easy decision, and I would assume that such a decision would stick in their mind for the rest of their life, full of what ifs and maybes. I also would understand the fear they might feel about letting people know because of the reactions of people (Such as in this thread and in the other abortion thread). So if they did tell me, I wouldn't feel positive or negative, but I would offer any help they might need or want.

Edit: I forgot, this thread reminded me of this particular article: http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

I think that goes back to the "Sex is wrong, sex is dirty and if you have sex you deserve to suffer" mentality. God forbid you actually enjoy sex.

I think that goes back to the "Sex is wrong, sex is dirty and if you have sex you deserve to suffer" mentality. God forbid you actually enjoy sex.

It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with having sex and realising the risks/consequences of that action.

I generally feel mildly positive.

Not sure what else to say about that!

There's already another abortion thread but it's already at 30th page so I'm gonna make a new one here which is more specific in scope.

So how do you feel about people who went thru abortion? I mean both females who went thru the procedure and males who were ok with it or didnt try to stop. How do you feel about these people?

I personally respect them less, because they actually went thru killing a human being. And dont give me but it's just a parasite bullshit. Stick one inside your tummy. Does it grow into a human being? No. Sometimes, circumstances may be tragic. I may sympathize in such cases and I hope I wont be in their shoes. Ever. However, some people who go ahead with it because it was "inconvenient" or whatever truly make me sick.

i really don't care. its their decision, and not my baby/embryo.

a friend's girlfriend had an abortion while i was at uni living with them. she wouldn't have been responsible enough to look after it, and would have had to (probably) give up on getting her degree, had she kept the child. the father fucked off and dumped her shortly after. that child would not have had a happy life, and wouldn't have been cared for well.... i'm glad for all parties they didn't go through with it.

A good portion of my clients wouldn't have to be my clients if they'd had an abortion.

Well, technically NONE of them would be my clients, since the program is for first-time parents. But of course, if every unplanned and unwanted child in the program was aborted, We'd probably cut down our enrollment by 50%.

...and crime rates in about 10-15 years would be lower than expected.

but I won't think more or less of her. UNLESS, she uses her Abortion as a lauching mechanism to being a drama queen.

I kinda hope no one would do that. o_O

The more children we kill, the better I say.

The more children we kill, the better I say.
Well, the less births the better. The planet is well fucked as it is, it doesn't need more people.

It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with having sex and realising the risks/consequences of that action.

That's right, nothing punishes someone for having sex like making them have a kid!

That's right, nothing punishes someone for having sex like making them have a kid!

It could be worse...
...It could be twins!

Frankly, execution would be kinder all 'round I think.

Its not really my concern whether someone gets an abortion.

There was a time when I might have thought poorly of someone based on them having had an abortion. Then, I met some people who had gone through it. I heard their stories, I interacted with them, and I heard it all from their point of view. In the end, it never actually changed my opinion of anyone.

I think abortion is most often tragic - in that the situations that lead to them are tragic and the decisions are incredibly difficult for those involved. The best use of our time and resources in this arena, I believe, would be to minimize the incidence of unwanted pregnancy. We do no good by stigmatizing those who end up in such situations.


But I think that there is more to play that just morality - like the increasing use of abortion as a contraception and the rising cases of STDs because girls find abortions are apparently easier than either keeping their legs shut or demanding their boyfriend uses a condom.

First of all, abortion is not and cannot be used as contraception. Second of all, I don't think you'll find anyone who thinks that abortion is easier than the use of contraceptives. You may, however, find plenty of people (male and female - I always find it interesting when someone thinks contraception is solely a female responsibility) with little to no access to or knowledge about contraceptives.

The more children we kill, the better I say.

Children are the future. Unless we stop them now!

male and female - I always find it interesting when someone thinks contraception is solely a female responsibility
*Insert my usual rant here*

The more children we kill, the better I say.The problem with children is that most of them become adults.

I personally respect them less, because they actually went thru killing a human being. And dont give me but it's just a parasite bullshit. Stick one inside your tummy. Does it grow into a human being? No.

Yeah, it just sorta got dissolved by my stomach acid.

How do I feel?

I tend to feel that it's none of my damn business.

I feel I admire the people who have the sense of taking a morning after pill (Plan B) in the following 72 hours after the coitus they fear that may pregnate them.

I say we kill them, see how they like it.


:rolleyes:

I always find it interesting when someone thinks contraception is solely a female responsibilityTrue. Every smart person (man) knows females are driven by their hormones. That's why they can't be trusted in these matters - so men must take care of contraception.

True. Every smart person (man) knows females are driven by their hormones. That's why they can't be trusted in these matters - so men must take care of contraception.

So very much wrong with this statement.

So very much wrong with this statement.Glad to make you think (if you weren't before).

And because I have to go; yes, Khadgar, much amiss in that statement. It was supposed to be a joke. I believe a fellow who posts this: That's right, nothing punishes someone for having sex like making them have a kid! knows exactly what I'm talking about. ;)

A good friend of mine had an abortion.

Given her circumstances and history of health problems, I think that she made the wisest choice, knowing that she could not possibly support a child and furthermore, had a couple conditions that could make pregnancy, an already trying process, somewhat complicated.

I've experienced the joy of childbirth, blah blah blah, and I'm not just pro-choice, I'm pro-abortion.

Half the people who have kids now aren't fit parents anyway. I'd rather someone who isn't sure they can handle a child abort it than have it and take bad care of it, or give it up to the foster care system.

C.

It makes me happy when a girl makes the right decision for herself, regardless of what that is.

First, it's remarkable that any semi-intelligent woman should ever become pregnant without being raped.

Second, I'm sure it's a tough decision for most people. And that's probably the way it should be. I wouldn't want to meet the ones that find it easy.

Judging others is what irritates me more.

Would I choose it myself? I don't believe I would.

Do I respect people less for having done it? No, I'd respect them less for having a child they could not afford, or abused or neglected because they weren't wanted.

Is it anyone's business but the woman's, her partner (if he's in a relationship with her) and her doctor's, nope.

When all the "you should raise them!" or "put them up for adoption!" people have actually done their part by adopting unwanted kids, then they're morally entitled to their opinion. When parents starve their children to death, or beat them to death because they never wanted them, that is in my mind far worse than aborting a pregnancy. As long as the foster care system is full of kids getting kicked out into the cold hard world mostly unprepared at 18, or kids languishing in abusive homes, or kids moved from place to place to place, or kids whose own parents won't put them up for adoption but won't care for them either, preventing them from having a single, stable, loving family, these empty proclamations about what to do with private lives annoy me.

A-freaking-men.

How do you feel about people who went thru abortion?

I think any kid that survives an abortion is a damn tough Baby and showing some real tenacity. Definately an "A" personality who won't take "no" for an answer. A kid like that, who has been through some tough scrapes and survived, is just the kind of individual I am looking for to fill sales positions in my company.

I think any kid that survives an abortion is a damn tough Baby and showing some real tenacity. Definately an "A" personality who won't take "no" for an answer. A kid like that, who has been through some tough scrapes and survived, is just the kind of individual I am looking for to fill sales positions in my company.

You win the thread!

http://www.lolwut.com/pics/abortion.jpg
LOL

It doesn't happen enough. I hate babies.

I second that as well.

But I think that there is more to play that just morality - like the increasing use of abortion as a contraception and the rising cases of STDs because girls find abortions are apparently easier than either keeping their legs shut or demanding their boyfriend uses a condom.

I find it funny that gays are beaten up over the issue of HIV/AIDS and yet no one dares to start demanding heterosexuals be held to account for their mountain of unwanted pregnancies, neglected children and having children knowing they don't have the resources to cope.

Anyone who writes something that foolish 1) doesn't know what's involved in an abortion and 2) should be condemned to a life without sex with any self-respecting woman.

Anyone who writes something that foolish 1) doesn't know what's involved in an abortion and 2) should be condemned to a life without sex with any self-respecting woman.

It's not just that:

Girl has unprotected sex with boy - pregnant - mistake reversible
Person has unprotected sex with person - aids - mistake irreversible

It's like saying that if we found a cure for aids, we should not use it to correct a mistake.

It's not just that:

Girl has unprotected sex with boy - pregnant - mistake reversible
Person has unprotected sex with person - aids - mistake irreversible

It's like saying that if we found a cure for aids, we should not use it to correct a mistake.

But that's what at the heart of a lot of the arguments against abortion--you should be punished for having sex outside of our prescribed limits. There's not a single anti-abortion group in the US that's also in favor of increased access to birth control or making the morning after pill OTC, both of which would greatly reduce the likelihood of abortions. What does that tell you about the goals of the so-called pro-life lobby in the US?

I think any kid that survives an abortion is a damn tough Baby and showing some real tenacity. Definately an "A" personality who won't take "no" for an answer. A kid like that, who has been through some tough scrapes and survived, is just the kind of individual I am looking for to fill sales positions in my company.

Interesting you would say that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianna_Jessen

I went to catholic high school and my school had her come speak to us.
Needless to say it was interesting with much shouting.

Personally I believe it is a personal choice that i never have experienced and would not judge