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Consider the two following paraphrases:

1. "Do as I say or I will kill you"

2. "Do as I say or I will torture you forever"

What is the difference between them? Who do you think may have given such threats and do you think either is an acceptable way to form a political/religious doctrine?

AMK
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*battens down the hatches*

Also, paraphrase is a verb, not a noun. Those are phrases.

its not a great way to run a country or a religion. it depends on having the ability to carry out the threat, convincing the target audience of that fact, and being invulnerable to being removed from the equation thus rendering the threat moot.

the totalitarian regimes of hitler, stalin, mao, kim, polpot, etc all ruled from the threat of torture and death. it turns out to be difficult to find a successor to continue the same threat level.

*battens down the hatches*

Also, paraphrase is a verb, not a noun. Those are phrases.

The reason I called them Paraphrases is because I intend them to be attributable to specific people.

AMK
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Who do you think may have given such threats and do you think either is an acceptable way to form a political/religious doctrine?
It is if you have the muscle to back it up.

Here is how I see it,
The first one is the word of Adolf Hitler and countless dictators.

The second one is the word of god.

Hmm

AMK
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Here is how I see it,
The first one is the word of Adolf Hitler and countless dictators.

The second one is the word of god.

Hmm

AMK
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yeah, what's your point?

Paraphrase is still not a noun.

You're right, my grammar befits my blond hair.

AMK
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The reason I called them Paraphrases is because I intend them to be attributable to specific people.

AMK
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Paraphrase is still not a noun.

yeah, what's your point?

To be honest, im not sure I have one, i am trying to start debate.
It's a subject that I have interest in, but going by the level of response, not many other people do...

AMK
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To be honest, im not sure I have one, i am trying to start debate.
It's a subject that I have interest in, but going by the level of response, not many other people do...

AMK
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Welcome to the internet. Everything has already been compared to Hitler, including God, many many times.

Welcome to the internet. Everything has already been compared to Hitler, including God, many many times.

My god, really? I didnt know that! EEeeeep what will I do?
*bows low and long*

AMK
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To be honest, im not sure I have one, i am trying to start debate.
It's a subject that I have interest in, but going by the level of response, not many other people do...

AMK
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oh yeah, but I think you're a little bit to late, there were a lot of threads about religion and stuff a few weeks ago. Now there are some about abortion and stuff like that. Next week we'll probably see some about global warming or peak oil or some bush bashing, but don't be afraid, in a few weeks religion/atheism will be 'hot' again.

Consider the two following paraphrases:

1. "Do as I say or I will kill you"

2. "Do as I say or I will torture you forever"

What is the difference between them?

AMK
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1: xtain 'god', islam 'god' damn near and other 'god' has said this
2: same notation

"What is the difference between them?"

One is quick and one is 'eternal'. Kind of hard to say which lie is better from a religion standpoint. Both are pretty equal in the mind of a numbed religious follower.

However in the case of men saying this, hitler, pol pot, etc etc, it is entirely in the ability to do as the threat implies. Clearly living in fear is control in one form or fashion but the solution to slavery in is unity. So when the people rise up and kill you or torture you, well then you are in a world of shit.

"Who do you think may have given such threats and do you think either is an acceptable way to form a political/religious doctrine?"

It works in short term. In any situation where temporarily subduing the mind or person/group is required, but no one can live with it long term. The human race has always been fairly resistant to captivity overall, however it may take generations to overcome in some cases. In history we are replete with examples of regimes in power for many centuries and eventually collapsing under their own weight or by force from external sources.

xtainity is on the decline, islam seems to be on the rise, however more and more people are refusing to join with these people, or others in reliigous dogma, because knowledge has increased exponentially over the centuries. With the introduction of knowledge, religion has very little power, as religion preys on the weak minded.

On a governmental scale, more people question religion today than at any other time in history. Countries like Iran may be on the rise but so is Atheisim and Agnosticism. In the next 100 years it will be interesting to watch the theists fight over which invisible man is better, or if they will begin to think for themselves. I just hope they do not tear the country apart doing it.

Paraphrase is still not a noun.Paraphrase can be a noun. If I paraphrase someone, then what is the resultant passage of text called? It is not a quote, and it certainly isn't a phrase.

Check your dictionary.

The difference is the amount of suffering involved. Hence of the two I would have to pick the first as the desired outcome.

Granted the latter has some hope of escape whereas the former does not. But I would guess my chances of escape are less if someone is truly dedicated to torturing me forever.

The similarity is that both will ultimately result in a death. The diffirence is that one is a murder, and the other is a suicide.