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With all the talk about "genital mutilation" by various Third Worlders (largely due to social pressure placed on women by a male-dominated society), we have this example of social pressure placed on women by a male-dominated society here in the West...

http://www.lcas.com/vagino.html

Vagina not tight enough? Labia not trim enough? You don't look like a Photoshopped porn-star?

Hey ladies, if he says "you're not tight enough" - maybe he's not big enough.

I consider this "genital mutilation". While I can cite health benefits for circumcision - such as far lower rates of STD transmission - I can't cite any for getting your vagina tightened up.

Do you consider this mutilation? Have you had it done, or considered getting it? If you're a man, would you want your woman to do this?

Would you consider other forms of plastic surgery as mutilation?

Most of them, yes, unless you can specify a real medical reason for it.

It seems like the same way nail biting is self-harm, plastic surgery like this is genital mutilation

Also I don't think it fits the definition of mutilation



an injury that deprives you of a limb or other important body part
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Mutilation is an act or injury that degrades the appearance or function of the (human) body, usually without causing death. The term is usually used to describe the victims of accidents, torture, physical assault, or certain premodern forms of punishment. Acts of mutilation may include amputation, burning, flagellation, or wheeling. In some cases, the term may apply to treatment of dead bodies, such as soldiers mutilated after they have been killed by an enemy.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutilation

The act of mutilating, or the state of being mutilated; deprivation of a limb or of an essential part. [Webster1913]
www.antiquusmorbus.com/English/EnglishM.htm

Would you consider other forms of plastic surgery as mutilation?

Most of them, yes, unless you can specify a real medical reason for it.

Bionic Vaginas. :)

Bionic Vaginas. :)

Vibrate feature?

Vibrate feature?

Kung-fu Grip??? :eek:

Kung-fu Grip??? :eek:

No, that's GI Joe's sphincter...

No, that's GI Joe's sphincter...

Explains why he's never quite out of ammo...

It might be genital manipulation, but the real thing prople complain about is nonvoluntary genital manipulation, and this doesn't count.

Infantile male circumcision counts, but this doesn't.

No, I don't really think you can compare the two. Genital mutilation in the third world often is very dangerous to the woman receiving it, to the children she might have later in her life. It's also mainly involuntary and it has lasting effects on their sex-life. All this isn't true for the example you gave, so I'd say it's much less worse. Something which might be more comparable, although again not really, are hymen-restorations to be able to marry in some cultures.

It doesn't seem to fit the definition of mutilation.

Silly. But if a woman freely consents without any sort of coercion, let her do it. It is her body.

I felt compelled to add this. Perhaps the real problem is the negative way women view their bodies. We're encouraged to obssess over every tiny percieved flaw. Guys get a lot more tolerance for bodily imperfections.

And if we want to talk mutilation, what about these globes some women insist on having tacked onto their chests? I have no problem with a gal that wants to go up a cup size because it makes her feel sexier. But a womans natural breast has a teardrop shape. It is not spherical! Stupid plastic surgeons.

Most of them, yes, unless you can specify a real medical reason for it.

There's your answer then. You're using a definition of mutilation that most probably won't agree with.

no i would not.

it is no more genital mutilation than a tummy tuck is abdominal mutilation.

I considered it, but decided against it. Mainly because I'm a bloke.

I considered it, but decided against it. Mainly because I'm a bloke.

I figured most guys would jump at the chance of a tighter vagina :P

Not me! But then I do play for the other team.

Now that Kung-fu grip sounds interesting....

I figured most guys would jump at the chance of a tighter vagina :P
True that, but it would probably look better on them than on me. I'm fairly hairy down there and don't particularly like waxing.

With all the talk about "genital mutilation" by various Third Worlders (largely due to social pressure placed on women by a male-dominated society), we have this example of social pressure placed on women by a male-dominated society here in the West...

http://www.lcas.com/vagino.html

Vagina not tight enough? Labia not trim enough? You don't look like a Photoshopped porn-star?

Hey ladies, if he says "you're not tight enough" - maybe he's not big enough.

I consider this "genital mutilation". While I can cite health benefits for circumcision - such as far lower rates of STD transmission - I can't cite any for getting your vagina tightened up.

Do you consider this mutilation? Have you had it done, or considered getting it? If you're a man, would you want your woman to do this?

It's not genital mutilation, per se. That doesn't mean that it isn't troubling to me. As Bitchkitten pointed out, the real issue here is the fact the people feel compelled to strive for an artificial "perfection" that is in all actuality unhealthy.

Even I know that there's a whole lot more to sex than just pipe fittings. So, if the woman is "not tight enough", then perhaps they should start thinking outside the box, maybe starting by reading The Guide to Getting It On or some other expansive volume on the diversity of human interpersonal relationships.