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Does anyone wonder now why S Africa has the highest AIDS rate on the Planet? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070901/ap_on_re_af/south_africa_aids;_ylt=Av4KAW1fngWcpEvOqVOhC6dbbBAF

Swaziland and Botswana have the highest HIV/AIDS prevalence rates, not South Africa.

ALRIGHT! That's all I need to stop AIDS? -has unprotected sex with every willing person-

ALRIGHT! That's all I need to stop AIDS? -has unprotected sex with every willing person-

You're safe 'cause no one is willing.

From the posted article ..."Health Minister Manto Tshabalala-Msimang has been condemned at home and abroad for her unorthodox views on the AIDS virus, which has infected an estimated 5.4 million South Africans — the highest number for any country in the world."

You're safe 'cause no one is willing.

Please, your just jealous that my package will never meet your Swedish ass.

From the posted article ..."Health Minister Manto Tshabalala-Msimang has been condemned at home and abroad for her unorthodox views on the AIDS virus, which has infected an estimated 5.4 million South Africans — the highest number for any country in the world."

That's not a rate. That's a total.

Scientists have been wasting their time all these years. So THAT'S all we need to do.

Ok, that is quoted. :) Good one Fass.

He walked into it, and I just couldn't help but giggle a bit writing it.

“which has infected an estimated 5.4 million South Africans — the highest number for any country in the world.”
That’s not the same as the AIDS rate. SA may have the largest amount of AIDS-infected people, but a country with less people could still have a higher percentage of infected people. I believe this is what Fass is referencing.

Earlier today I read about some quack whose unusual "medical" methods caused the detah of Pius XII and the rapid decomposition of his body. Five rupees says he was the aforementioned "health" minister's teacher.

You're safe 'cause no one is willing.

Ok, that is quoted. :) Good one Fass.

Please, your just jealous that my package will never meet your Swedish ass.

That's 'cause the Swedish post office refuses to carry such minuscule parcels.

It'd be cool, AIDS would become the most treatable STD...ah well...

That's 'cause the Swedish post office refuses to carry such minuscule parcels.

Okay, now that was low. But I laughed. :)

That’s ‘cause the Swedish post office refuses to carry such minuscule parcels.
Game, set and match, Mr. Fass.

Is this like that guy in Gambia (The Gambia?) who announced the God had given him an herbal cure for HIV, but he couldn't publicize it of give scientists samples? Believe me when I tell you that my brother's girlfriend and her family, all exiled Gambians, were more than a little embarrassed at that one...

That's not a rate. That's a total.

I tell you a National Health Minister responsible for the health of 10s of millions of people thinks that garlic is the cure for AIDS your responce to this is quibble about what rate means? :P

I tell you a National Health Minister responsible for the health of 10s of millions of people thinks that garlic is the cure for AIDS your responce to this is quibble about what rate means? :P

Sort of like with the USA government, the lunacy of the South African one is nothing new and doesn't surprise me any more.

Okay, now that was low. But I laughed. :)

Just a catty quip. Hang around enough trannies and they become like the ABCs.

I'd say it's an attempt at populist demagoguery/rant brought by the gouging of third world nations in regards to AIDS treatment by multinational pharmaceuticals. The average African can't afford even a day's worth of AZT and other AIDS medications and this guy is exploiting that with outlandish Chavez-ian hyperbole about a simple, easy to obtain miracle cure that will ease the populace with the same effectiveness of ducking under a school desk during a nuclear strike, and maybe gain popular support.

I tell you a National Health Minister responsible for the health of 10s of millions of people thinks that garlic is the cure for AIDS your responce to this is quibble about what rate means? :P
Your statement about SA having the highest AIDS rate in the world is as wrong as claiming that AIDS can be cured with lemon juice. Not as dangerous, but just as wrong.

To start a thread poking fun at an official giving wrong information, then to give wrong information seems slightly silly, no?

To start a thread poking fun at an official giving wrong information, then to give wrong information seems slightly silly, no?

No, picking at details that do nothing to change the thrust or further the point of the articles is far sillier. Focus Danielson. Problem is stupid Health ministers. Noone is questioning rate or actual numbers or any other variation the fact that S Africa has LOTS and LOTS of people with HIV and AIDS and idiotic government policies wont help them any.

No, picking at details that do nothing to change the thrust or further the point of the articles is far sillier.

It is not a detail. A rate and a total are completely different things, so stop spreading misinformation in your thread on bitching about the spreading of misinformation.

Nooone is questioning rate or actual numbers or any other variation the fact that S Africa has LOTS and LOTS of people with HIV and AIDS and idiotic policies wont help them any.
Well Fass and I are, for a start. Correcting your misinformation doesn’t lesson the tragedy of the AIDS epidemic, or lesson the impact of the Health Minister’s statement.

Get your facts straight.

Well, either way, whether it's highest rate or total, I think we can all agree that it is indeed a horrible situation that only seems to be spiraling further and further out of control.

And to make it worse, the government is mostly responsible for it's people's deteriorating health, in the sense that it is not providing any effective cures or treatments to such a widespread epidemic.

Most moronic arguement over absolutly nothing ever. Pick whatever fact you need to to understand that there are alot of AIDS victims in S.A. and kindly proccede from there.

Well, either way, whether it's highest rate or total, I think we can all agree that it is indeed a horrible situation that only seems to be spiraling further and further out of control.

And to make it worse, the government is mostly responsible for it's people's deteriorating health, in the sense that it is not providing any effective cures or treatments to such a widespread epidemic.

I see it as a symptom of desperation. Almost every AIDS drug is locked down with an exclusive patent which means no generic versions are allowed, and which means the company that makes it can gouge a third-world nation. This looks like an example of Nietzchean Slave Morality spiralling out of control in a bad way.

I see it as a symptom of desperation. Almost every AIDS drug is locked down with an exclusive patent which means no generic versions are allowed, and which means the company that makes it can gouge a third-world nation. This looks like an example of Nietzchean Slave Morality spiralling out of control in a bad way.

How would you suggest this problem is solved?

Most moronic arguement over absolutly nothing ever.

Lies are not nothing.

I see it as a symptom of desperation. Almost every AIDS drug is locked down with an exclusive patent which means no generic versions are allowed, and which means the company that makes it can gouge a third-world nation. This looks like an example of Nietzchean Slave Morality spiralling out of control in a bad way.

It was my understanding that the AIDS drugs in Africa were actually far far less expensive then in the US and that it is also heavily subsidized by African governments and organizations like the Gates Foundation.

How would you suggest this problem is solved?

It's not realitic given the testicle grip the pharmaceutical lobby has, but breaking the pattern of exclusive patents and extending them for years on end so cheaper generics can be legally made would certainly be a help. The Garlic Oil and Beet approach strikes me as a defiant reaction, an irrational and deliberate freak-out against being denied important medications.

Lies are not nothing.

Ok its clear to me your just argueing for the sake of arguement only and not interested in the topic at hand so nevermind.

Most moronic arguement over absolutly nothing ever.
It most certainly is something.

Look at it from a medical treatment point of view: a country with a high number of AIDS victims would probably benefit from a treatment/prevention policy quite different to a country with a high rate of AIDS victims. The high rate may suggest (and I am conjecturing completely here) that a prevention-orientated program is more suitable in said country.

It was my understanding that the AIDS drugs in Africa were actually far far less expensive then in the US and that it is also heavily subsidized by African governments and organizations like the Gates Foundation.

If that's the case then I can't see any logical reason for promoting Garlic Oil and Beets, unless the guy in charge is a freaking nutcase who thinks AIDS isn't really that dangerous or he just wants to exploit populist resentment against the First World nations and their company.

It's not realitic given the testicle grip the pharmaceutical lobby has, but breaking the pattern of exclusive patents and extending them for years on end so cheaper generics can be legally made would certainly be a help. The Garlic Oil and Beet approach strikes me as a defiant reaction, an irrational and deliberate freak-out against being denied important medications.

Couldn't the South African government claim some sort of national security interest, or by some other executive decree, force the pharmaceutical companies to lower their prices? I think a price cap would be a legal way of getting around price gouging, or subsidizing the drugs, or both. Would that be possible? (i'm not sure of the legality of such proposals)

Ok its clear to me your just argueing for the sake of arguement only and not interested in the topic at hand so nevermind.

Edit your OP which continues to be a lie now that you know the truth, and this discussion will end. As it is now, you are peddling the untruth - and quite a large untruth at that.

Edit your OP which continues to be a lie now that you know the truth, and this discussion will end. As it is now, you are peddling the untruth - and quite a large untruth at that.

And yet ill still sleep just fine. If i was Catholic id even promise to go to Confession and perhaps even a ritual bloodletting for my unbearable guilt. Or then again maybe i wont.

And yet ill still sleep just fine.

You're the liar, so don't bitch about the bed you made.

You're the liar, so don't bitch about the bed you made.

How can i bitch when im too busy chuckeling at such idiocy. I dont live in a world of nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. Not my thing. Sounds like you just need to get laid.

You're the liar, so don't bitch about the bed you made.

Fassy, I do think that you're kinda making a bigger deal out of this then what it should be. We all know what the guy meant, he just meant that South Africa has a lot of aids victims, he didn't mean to imply it has a higher rate, he just wasn't careful in how he worded his statement, but we all know what he meant.

So, let's all just hold hands and sing Kum By Yah :)

How can i bitch when im too busy chuckeling at such idiocy. I dont live in a world of nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. Not my thing.

How old are you, kid?

Sounds like you just need to get laid.

I've already gotten laid today and you're not my type, but thanks for the offer.

How old are you, kid?

Im 40 with a degree in Political Science and i probably have underwear older than you.- Syracuse University Class of 90



I've already gotten laid today and you're not my type, but thanks for the offer.

I dont recall offering

Im 40 with a degree in Political Science and i probably have underwear older than you.


I'm looking into majoring in political science too!


What was your favorite class?

Im 40 with a degree in Political Science and i probably have underwear older than you.

There you go with the lies again. Next time you're going to claim you're 40, kid, perhaps you should try to make it believable by at least being able to write as if you were that age, hmm? Especially if you're going to claim being educated. Here's another tip: 40-year-olds are usually mature enough to learn from and correct their mistakes.

I dont recall offering

The lady that out of the blue maketh allusion to fucking me doth protest!

I'm looking into majoring in political science too!


What was your favorite class?

I really enjoyed it but i wouldnt recommend it unless you really dont care about getting a well paid job. Its fine if you plan to teach or go to Law school but otherwise you get an expensive piece of fairly worthless paper.

I really enjoyed it but i wouldnt recommend it unless you really dont care about getting a well paid job. Its fine if you plan to teach or go to Law school but otherwise you get an expensive piece of fairly worthless paper.

yeah, that's what i've been told too, but the subject fascinates me to no end

There you go with the lies again. Next time you're going to claim you're 40, kid, perhaps you should try to make it believable by at least being able to write as if you were that age, hmm? Especially if you're going to claim being educated. Here's another tip: 40-year-olds are usually mature enough to learn from and correct their mistakes.

Sorry, your calling me a liar and im telling you the truth. I believe we are at a standstill. Im sorry reality doesnt suit your preconcieved notions about me but i guess there isnt anything i can do about that now is there. Carry on with your paper bag firmly in position.

Sorry, your calling me a liar and im telling you the truth. I believe we are at a standstill.

Well, as long as you're willing to let a lie remain in your OP, and then act all indignant about being caught in it, I have no reason to start believing a thing you say. It's that bed being made I talked about earlier.

Well, as long as you're willing to let a lie remain in your OP, and then act all indignant about being caught in it, I have no reason to start believing a thing you say. It's that bed being made I talked about earlier.

Actually your right i did lie come to think of it. Im really only 39 and wont be 40 for a few months yet but its such a disgusting age im trying to make it my own by adopting it slightly early in a vain attempt to get used to it.

I really enjoyed it but i wouldnt recommend it unless you really dont care about getting a well paid job. Its fine if you plan to teach or go to Law school but otherwise you get an expensive piece of fairly worthless paper.

Wouldn't it help with a career in politics?

Wouldn't it help with a career in politics?

Politics oddly enough dont "require" knowledge of politics to enter lol. Thats why there are MDs that are Senators etc. And this lack of knowledge is what gives Stephen Colbert a good living.

Does anyone wonder now why S Africa has the highest AIDS rate on the Planet?
Governments that have pretended that it doesn't exist?

Although actually, it doesn't quite have the highest level of prevalence.

Governments that have pretended that it doesn't exist?

Although actually, it doesn't quite have the highest level of prevalence.

LOL yea we know.

Wouldn't it help with a career in politics?
Absolutely not.

To get a career in politics, all you need is charisma and friends in the right places. A degree in political science won't help, mainly because once you're actually in the field of politics, the organisation sorts itself out, and all you have to do is comply to the rules. Which are set out for you.

You'd be much better off getting a degree in economics, because that's what most political parties actually need.

It was my understanding that the AIDS drugs in Africa were actually far far less expensive then in the US and that it is also heavily subsidized by African governments and organizations like the Gates Foundation.

of course they are.

the problem is that a cost above ZERO is hard for the destitute people of africa to afford.

then you have outreach, education, compliance, follow-ups, more education-- all extremely difficult problems to deal with.

AND you have the problem of the government being unwilling to tell people the truth about how aids is transmitted and suggesting useless cures that will keep people from going near the medical clinics that might really help them.

Beets? Why didn't I think of that!
And all this time I've just been wondering why frying garlic and lemon slices in olive oil wasn't working.

Beets? Why didn't I think of that!
And all this time I've just been wondering why frying garlic and lemon slices in olive oil wasn't working.

FRYING THEM? No wonder your not getting it to work right. Its a blended drink silly. Serve on ice. A Glass a day keeps the AIDS away.