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Simply delicious.

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Leave it to the Russians to build something that was in a movie.

Idiotic, yes. But there's some of Dr. Strangelove in me, and there's something deliciously insane about it.

Sore losers I say. :p

Yay!

meh, it's just the logical conclusion of MAD.

This is very very interesting.

Mr. President, it is not only possible, it is essential. That is the whole idea of this machine, you know. Deterrence is the art of producing in the mind of the enemy... the FEAR to attack. And so, because of the automated and irrevocable decision-making process which rules out human meddling, the Doomsday machine is terrifying and simple to understand... and completely credible and convincing.

Why don't we have one of those.

Click Stand;13015697']Why don't we have one of those.

I would not be surprised if we do but it is so classified that no one can prove that we do.

Click Stand;13015697']Why don't we have one of those.

We wouldn't be able to hide it very well.

Click Stand;13015697']Why don't we have one of those.

Why? To make sure the earth is uninhabitable for 184 years instead, seems like a bit of overkill to me.

Why? To make sure the earth is uninhabitable for 184 years instead, seems like a bit of overkill to me.

It's not overkill. What if someone survives when they are 4 and then live until they are 100. We can't be having people remember how it once was.

Why? To make sure the earth is uninhabitable for 184 years instead, seems like a bit of overkill to me.

We can always live in mine-shafts...with a female to male ration of oh, so 10 to 1.;)

We can always live in mine-shafts...with a female to male ration of oh, so 10 to 1.;)

General "Buck" Turgidson: Doctor, you mentioned the ratio of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the abandonment of the so-called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?
Dr. Strangelove: Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.
Ambassador de Sadesky: I must confess, you have an astonishingly good idea there, Doctor.

Who can blame them? I'm sure they were just afraid of a doomsday gap.

So much focus has been placed—in film, fiction, and nonfiction—on our supposedly "failsafe" barrier to a lone-madman launch. We'd been told that to launch a missile, two keys must be inserted simultaneously into their slots by two separate launch officers, and that the slots for the keys were located at a sufficient distance from each other that one madman couldn't, say, shoot the other crewman and then use both his arms to twist both the keys simultaneously.

But the missile crewmen I talked to told me they'd figured out a way to defeat that impediment with a spoon and a string. Not that they were planning to do it, but that they knew someone could do it.

Holy shit.

Simply delicious.

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Leave it to the Russians to build something that was in a movie.

Idiotic, yes. But there's some of Dr. Strangelove in me, and there's something deliciously insane about it.

Damnable. I was going to make a Dr. Strangelove reference after reading the title.

That certainly is interesting.
Putting the command of nuclear weapons under one man-or having it possible for someone to take that power upon themselves-is the height of stupidity. Human beings under stress are unreliable at best, and I can't imagine how much stress being under nuclear attack would entail.

I would not be surprised if we do but it is so classified that no one can prove that we do.


Well, that sure would make for an excellent deterrent...

(Russian accent)

Our source ... was the New York Times.

(/Russian accent)

*Sits in Australia, watching the rest of the world detonate*
So does that now mean Australia is the worlds number one superpower?

*Sits in Australia, watching the rest of the world detonate*
So does that now mean Australia is the worlds number one superpower?

Nope, second to New Zealand as always. ;)

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So much focus has been placed—in film, fiction, and nonfiction—on our supposedly "failsafe" barrier to a lone-madman launch. We'd been told that to launch a missile, two keys must be inserted simultaneously into their slots by two separate launch officers, and that the slots for the keys were located at a sufficient distance from each other that one madman couldn't, say, shoot the other crewman and then use both his arms to twist both the keys simultaneously.

But the missile crewmen I talked to told me they'd figured out a way to defeat that impediment with a spoon and a string. Not that they were planning to do it, but that they knew someone could do it.
Holy shit.

There is another failsafe built into the system.
Each missile silo is linked to 2 launch control bunkers and needs the 'fire' signal from both of them in order to take off and kill 300 000 people.
So even if one crewman went crazy and tried the spoon and string technique you would not get a missile taking off
The other thing is that the crewmen dont know which bunker is connected to their silos. all they do on recieving the orders is verify the orders, turn the keys and press the firing buttons. then about 15 minutes later get vapourised when a russian 6 megatonne nuke goes off about 200 ft above them.:eek:

El-presidente Boris

<<who would have been dead for the past 20 mins at that point in WW3

There is only one thing that can describe this concept:

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Simply delicious.

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Leave it to the Russians to build something that was in a movie.

Idiotic, yes. But there's some of Dr. Strangelove in me, and there's something deliciously insane about it.

Uhhh...what the fuck?

Uhhh...what the fuck?

"Doomsday Men: The Real Dr. Strangelove and the Dream of the Superweapon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doomsday-Men-Strangelove-Dream-Superweapon/dp/0713998156)"
P.D. Smith (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/203-8763667-0392712?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books-uk&field-author=P%20D%20Smith)" would appear to be the shit.

The OP's article (OP's article, Ron Rosenbaum (http://www.slate.com/id/2173108/fr/rss/))read a review of Doomsday Men and the endnote (I think).
Then he used a lot of stuff from Bruce Blair (http://www.cdi.org/program/issue/index.cfm?ProgramID=32&issueid=110).
In the second-last paragraph is this link: worldsecurityinstitute (http://www.worldsecurityinstitute.org/).

Pay attention to Blair. You can't count on me to save the world again.

To which I make no comment.

To the second part of your question ... :p

*Sits in Australia, watching the rest of the world detonate*
So does that now mean Australia is the worlds number one superpower?

Nope.

http://emuse.ebaumsworld.com/flash/play/710/

"Doomsday Men: The Real Dr. Strangelove and the Dream of the Superweapon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doomsday-Men-Strangelove-Dream-Superweapon/dp/0713998156)"
P.D. Smith (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/203-8763667-0392712?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books-uk&field-author=P%20D%20Smith)" would appear to be the shit.

The OP's article (OP's article, Ron Rosenbaum (http://www.slate.com/id/2173108/fr/rss/))read a review of Doomsday Men and the endnote (I think).
Then he used a lot of stuff from Bruce Blair (http://www.cdi.org/program/issue/index.cfm?ProgramID=32&issueid=110).

I knew what he said. I meant what the fuck is up with is.

I knew what he said. I meant what the fuck is up with is.

Good luck with that. :p
*saunters off whistling*

Damnable. I was going to make a Dr. Strangelove reference after reading the title.

"Ten females for every male..." (left hand starts masturbating) "Quit doing that."

NE MOZHET BEET!

HEY MAN RUSSIANS ARE HOT lay off of us. :mp5:

I still say that the SLAM's of Project Pluto were a cooler weapon of last resort. Flying Chernobyl's that flattened houses with sonic booms while shooting fusion warheads and spewing fallout for hours as they circled the world. That had real promise...Damn shame it was cancelled.

I still say that the SLAM's of Project Pluto were a cooler weapon of last resort. Flying Chernobyl's that flattened houses with sonic booms while shooting fusion warheads and spewing fallout for hours as they circled the world. That had real promise...Damn shame it was cancelled.

Too localized, even for a weapon of its class, to be a doomsday weapon. You'd need too many of them to get close to the effects of cobalt/strontium salted bombs.

Sorta tangental, but anyone mention neutron weapons yet?

*considers practical applications*

http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/key-issues/nuclear-weapons/basics/neutron-bomb.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Cohen
http://www.manuelsweb.com/sam_cohen.htm

Too localized, even for a weapon of its class, to be a doomsday weapon. You'd need too many of them to get close to the effects of cobalt/strontium salted bombs.
Some of the reactor designs of Pluto and other nuclear aircraft would have allowed for days of loitering at supersonic speeds before the reactor rods would become too contaminated to function properly. That's an awful lot of fallout and if armed with 60 megaton warheads (something the US didn't ever test but was certainly possible) a fairly small squadron could have taken out most major cities while contaminating the rest. Pluto was a weapon of last resort. It was a doomsday weapon that could have killed millions if completed and deployed.