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Why Muslims Think Pigs Are Offensive

Remote Observer
31-08-2007, 15:56
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_3v7sZ_V4Y

Well, not really. They're just told that pigs are unclean (same reason the Jews have).

I find the little pig quite cute though, and the tune is contagious.

I'd play the fart-o-phone myself, but I'm here in the office.

Consider this my humorous post of the day.
Gataway
31-08-2007, 16:00
Having gotten me to watch that by posting the link you sir or madame now owe me 2 minutes and 36 seconds of my life and 150 or so braincells...
The_pantless_hero
31-08-2007, 16:01
Consider this my humorous post of the day.
Then you need to stop making humorous posts if you can't even make "humorous" posts without Muslim bashing.
Sorthern Northland
31-08-2007, 16:03
Think back to the time when Islam and Judaism were founded. Fridges didn't exist so you couldn't keep the meat cool, the middle east is a hot place, raw meat and hot places equals meat going off very quickly.
Remote Observer
31-08-2007, 16:05
Then you need to stop making humorous posts if you can't even make "humorous" posts without Muslim bashing.

How is it Muslim bashing? Eh?

The title was intended to draw you in, and then surprise you with the fact that it isn't Muslim bashing.
Gataway
31-08-2007, 16:06
As stated in another thread...religious types are impossible to get to...quit while you're ahead...
Markeliopia
31-08-2007, 16:08
Then you need to stop making humorous posts if you can't even make "humorous" posts without Muslim bashing.

this was more Belgian Pig bashing

shame on you mister :upyours:
Remote Observer
31-08-2007, 16:08
Think back to the time when Islam and Judaism were founded. Fridges didn't exist so you couldn't keep the meat cool, the middle east is a hot place, raw meat and hot places equals meat going off very quickly.

Think about trichinosis instead. That's the real reason.
The_pantless_hero
31-08-2007, 16:09
How is it Muslim bashing? Eh?


The fact you are posting it because it is about a particular Muslim religious rule. No one here believes you arn't biased against Muslims so don't try and pull that shit.
Remote Observer
31-08-2007, 16:12
The fact you are posting it because it is about a particular Muslim religious rule. No one here believes you arn't biased against Muslims so don't try and pull that shit.

Still not bashing.

Where did I say the practice was wrong? Eh?

I even pointed out the real reason they don't like pork. Same reason as the Jews.
Riopo
31-08-2007, 16:13
Having gotten me to watch that by posting the link you sir or madame now owe me 2 minutes and 36 seconds of my life and 150 or so braincells...

lol. Same here!:D
Remote Observer
31-08-2007, 16:13
lol. Same here!:D

Admit it - now you want to fart to music...
Gataway
31-08-2007, 16:16
If you think this is Muslim bashing i would LOVE to see your reaction to the Mohammed or w/e the guys name is..cartoons...

all he did here was use an interesting provocative title to get peoples attention to something that's stupid yet amusing...and you have somehow managed to twist it into muslim bashing..if you get that easily offended over the internet you should do yourself a favor... turn off your monitor...turn off your CPU...walk away and cancel your internet service.
Markeliopia
31-08-2007, 16:17
If you think this is Muslim bashing i would LOVE to see your reaction to the Mohammed or w/e the guys name is..cartoons...

all he did here was use an interesting provocative title to get peoples attention to something that's stupid yet amusing...and you have somehow managed to twist it into muslim bashing..if you get that easily offended over the internet you should do yourself a favor... turn off your monitor...turn off your CPU...walk away and cancel your internet service.

but if you go outside put some pants on
Gataway
31-08-2007, 16:17
Admit it - now you want to fart to music...

Is this a crime?
The_pantless_hero
31-08-2007, 16:17
If you think this is Muslim bashing i would LOVE to see your reaction to the Mohammed or w/e the guys name is..cartoons...

all he did here was use an interesting provocative title to get peoples attention to something that's stupid yet amusing...and you have somehow managed to twist it into muslim bashing..if you get that easily offended over the internet you should do yourself a favor... turn off your monitor...turn off your CPU...walk away and cancel your internet service.

Are you people new or what? DK is always bashing the Muslims. If those people drawing the Muhammad cartoons had a history of Muslim bashing, I would say they were Muslim bashing.

I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
Gravlen
31-08-2007, 16:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_3v7sZ_V4Y

Well, not really. They're just told that pigs are unclean (same as the Jews).

I find the little pig quite cute though, and the tune is contagious.

I'd play the fart-o-phone myself, but I'm here in the office.

Consider this my humorous post of the day.
"humorous", riiiight. :rolleyes:

You should leave that to the professionals, like Lunatic Goofballs or posters like Drunk Commies.
Yaltabaoth
31-08-2007, 16:19
How is it Muslim bashing? Eh?

The title was intended to draw you in, and then surprise you with the fact that it isn't Muslim bashing.

So you admit that you do often 'Muslim-bash'. Because you claim the 'humour' comes from you starting a thread that (apparently) doesn't contain 'Muslim-bashing'.

I'd call that an admission to trolling.
Riopo
31-08-2007, 16:20
Admit it - now you want to fart to music...

Haha, Yeah of course I do!!!;)
Gataway
31-08-2007, 16:21
but if you go outside put some pants on

Eh?

Well History or not...this is far from being Muslim bashing...so you're calling and seeing this one wrong...horribly wrong...wow amazing the number of ignorant people here..turning a simple humorous thread into Muslim bashing and trolling...maybe I should change my stance on internet regulation and to use the internet you have to acquire a license
Remote Observer
31-08-2007, 16:23
So you admit that you do often 'Muslim-bash'. Because you claim the 'humour' comes from you starting a thread that (apparently) doesn't contain 'Muslim-bashing'.

I'd call that an admission to trolling.

Nope. I recognize what others call Muslim bashing.

Essentially, any thread in which I point out a truthful example of Muslims doing something heinous is "Muslim-bashing".

But it appears that for some, posting anything with the word "Muslim" in it is "Muslim bashing".

Are you afraid that such posts will cause more terrorism?
Gataway
31-08-2007, 16:25
Nope. I recognize what others call Muslim bashing.

Essentially, any thread in which I point out a truthful example of Muslims doing something heinous is "Muslim-bashing".

But it appears that for some, posting anything with the word "Muslim" in it is "Muslim bashing".

Are you afraid that such posts will cause more terrorism?

Might as well call them on when they do something heinous...they sure as hell don't call it on themselves...I tend to find the hate/bashing reply comes with any negative news about the Muslim community...they blow up a bus of children..someone says its bad...and suddenly their a racist bigot...i find it all quite comical really...what's more funny is the communites who say don't judge us by the actions of a few never seem to do anything but repeat that line over and over
Fleckenstein
31-08-2007, 16:27
Nope. I recognize what others call Muslim bashing.

Essentially, any thread in which I point out a truthful example of Muslims doing something heinous is "Muslim-bashing".

But it appears that for some, posting anything with the word "Muslim" in it is "Muslim bashing".

Are you afraid that such posts will cause more terrorism?

I like your sig there. Reminds me how much I love freedom.
Riopo
31-08-2007, 16:32
I find the little pig quite cute

I like the Chickens a lot more then the pig. That thing's scary man...
The_pantless_hero
31-08-2007, 16:33
Essentially, any thread in which I point out a truthful example of Muslims doing something heinous is "Muslim-bashing".

But it appears that for some, posting anything with the word "Muslim" in it is "Muslim bashing".
Because you do it to the end of vilifying Muslims.

Are you afraid that such posts will cause more terrorism?
Wow, I don't even have to try to make my point. You do it in the same god damn post.
Gataway
31-08-2007, 16:34
mmmmm chicken....I personally like the pie best...mmmm...pie...we should remake the twin towers out of bacon....then we won't have any future problems..
Seangoli
31-08-2007, 16:39
[QUOTE=Remote

Well, not really. They're just told that pigs are unclean (same as the Jews).
[/QUOTE]

Very nice.

You always cease to amaze me.

:rolleyes:
Seangoli
31-08-2007, 16:40
Because you do it to the end of vilifying Muslims.


Indeed. Was it really necessary to say that Muslims think Jewish people are unclean in the OP?

No. No it wasn't, other than to make an a snide shot at Muslims, and use the defense of "This thread is not about that, it's purely for humor of the video!"

Right.
Seangoli
31-08-2007, 16:42
Nope. I recognize what others call Muslim bashing.

Essentially, any thread in which I point out a truthful example of Muslims doing something heinous is "Muslim-bashing".

But it appears that for some, posting anything with the word "Muslim" in it is "Muslim bashing".

Are you afraid that such posts will cause more terrorism?

There is a difference between pointing out what a group of Muslims do as being heinous, and extorting the information to implying that all Muslims are heinous for said act. Which is what you do very often.
Remote Observer
31-08-2007, 16:44
Indeed. Was it really necessary to say that Muslims think Jewish people are unclean in the OP?

No. No it wasn't, other than to make an a snide shot at Muslims, and use the defense of "This thread is not about that, it's purely for humor of the video!"

Right.

I think you misunderstand, or can't read English.

Jews have the same proscription against pork as the Muslims. So if the Muslims have a problem with pork, it's for the same reason as the Jews.

Of course, I can't expect you to understand this post, either.
The_pantless_hero
31-08-2007, 16:44
I think you misunderstand, or can't read English.

Jews have the same proscription against pork as the Muslims. So if the Muslims have a problem with pork, it's for the same reason as the Jews.

Of course, I can't expect you to understand this post, either.
And I see you didn't entitle it "Why Jews Think Pigs are Offensive."
Or "Why certain religions think pigs are offensive."

You made a point of saying "Muslims" and that is the point.
The_pantless_hero
31-08-2007, 16:45
Thar ye go, laddie.

You people not being able to read isn't helping here.
Fleckenstein
31-08-2007, 16:45
we should remake the twin towers out of bacon....then we won't have any future problems..

The tolerance. . .
Gravlen
31-08-2007, 16:46
How is it Muslim bashing? Eh?
They're just told that pigs are unclean (same as the Jews).

Thar ye go, laddie.

It's in your wording, when read in connection with your title. You're good at implying stuff, mate.
Remote Observer
31-08-2007, 16:47
Thar ye go, laddie.

It's in your wording, when read in connection with your title. You're good at implying stuff, mate.

Sorry for your inability to read simple English.
Gataway
31-08-2007, 16:49
The tolerance. . .

I never claimed to be tolerant now did I...?..Kudos on using the word Laddie btw Gravlen
Fleckenstein
31-08-2007, 16:49
I never claimed to be tolerant now did I...?..Kudos on using the word Laddie btw Gravlen

Sometimes, I hate freedom.
Remote Observer
31-08-2007, 16:50
The OP has been edited for the ignorant and illiterate on this forum.
Seangoli
31-08-2007, 16:52
I think you misunderstand, or can't read English.

Jews have the same proscription against pork as the Muslims. So if the Muslims have a problem with pork, it's for the same reason as the Jews.

Of course, I can't expect you to understand this post, either.

Ah, the classic "You're stupid" argument.

Very nice.


No, you see, the way in which you worded the sentence can easily be misconstrued as saying that Muslims think the Jews are unclean.

For the record:

"Muslims think that pigs are unclean(Same as the jews)." Is fairly ambiguous.

A far better way of wording it, and eliminating confusion, is:

"Muslims(As well as the Jews) think that pigs are unclean."

Or, even better yet:

"Muslims, and Jews, think that pigs are unclean."

Quite frankly, the way you wrote the original OP made it very unclear of what the message was.

So yes. I do understand English, and no I am not stupid.

Have a nice freakin' day.
Gravlen
31-08-2007, 16:54
Sorry for your inability to read simple English.
Oh, I can read. Sorry for your posting history and your hatred for muslims sihining through and tainting your "humour".

Or are you saying that what you wrote could not possibly be interpreted in two different ways?
You people not being able to read isn't helping here.
Don't you worry yourself, I can read. And I can see. I can even interpret.

I'm guessing you can't do the last part. :rolleyes:
Remote Observer
31-08-2007, 16:56
Quite frankly, the way you wrote the original OP made it very unclear of what the message was.

Then you are stupid to assume it's only the worst possible interpretation. Which you most certainly did.
Gravlen
31-08-2007, 16:56
The OP has been edited for the ignorant and illiterate on this forum.

What about the malicious ones, such as yourself?
Gataway
31-08-2007, 16:58
Sometimes, I hate freedom.

There's plenty of other places for you to go....Cuba...Russia...China...I can be tolerant...just in all of my personal experiences thus far I have no reason to be...
Remote Observer
31-08-2007, 16:58
What about the malicious ones, such as yourself?

Sorry, prove that this thread is malicious.
Gravlen
31-08-2007, 16:58
I never claimed to be tolerant now did I...?..Kudos on using the word Laddie btw Gravlen
;)
Gravlen
31-08-2007, 16:59
Sorry, prove that this thread is malicious.

I don't have to. I haven't claimed it to be.

You, on the other hand, is a different matter...
Fleckenstein
31-08-2007, 16:59
There's plenty of other places for you to go....Cuba...Russia...China...

Yes of course, I hate freedom so I'm communist.

I can be tolerant...just in all of my personal experiences thus far I have no reason to be...

I hate the part of freedom that says I must respect your views, even if I believe they do not deserve it.
Seangoli
31-08-2007, 16:59
Then you are stupid to assume it's only the worst possible interpretation. Which you most certainly did.

Well, quite frankly, the way it was written implied that that is what you meant. It wasn't the worst possible interpretation, it was in fact a logical interpretation of where you put, as well well as how you wrote, the item in parenthesis.

As well, misinterpreting an ambiguous statement is not stupid. It is up to you, the creator of this topic, to make your intentions as clear and concise as possible, not up to the reader to correctly identify what is meant by an extremely vague statement.

Also, with your past posting history, inferring what I did, and others as well, seemed like the logically meaning of an extremely vague statement.


So no, it is not the reader that is stupid for inferring what you meant from a vague statement.
Yaltabaoth
31-08-2007, 17:00
Nope. I recognize what others call Muslim bashing.

Essentially, any thread in which I point out a truthful example of Muslims doing something heinous is "Muslim-bashing".

But it appears that for some, posting anything with the word "Muslim" in it is "Muslim bashing".

Are you afraid that such posts will cause more terrorism?

You mean "But it appears that for some, every thread I start which contains negative content about Muslims, is "Muslim bashing".

That's because it IS "Muslim bashing". Banging on about one subject (Islam), always in a derogatory way, IS "bashing".

Give me an example of you putting any other religion to the same scrutiny.

If you made similar posts about Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, hell even Discordianism! Then your posts might be seen as reasonable.

Instead you repeatedly post only on the subject of apparent flaws in Islam.

Change the fucking record.

And no, I'm not actually 'afraid of terrorism' at all.
Remote Observer
31-08-2007, 17:01
I don't have to. I haven't claimed it to be.

You, on the other hand, is a different matter...

You just did. So prove it. I don't have to prove a negative.

Into major fallacies today?
Gataway
31-08-2007, 17:05
Ah well I'm assuming you're American...those all just happened to be communist countries..although Russia really isn't anymore...if it makes you feel better I'll be fighting for your right hate my views..so i guess thats win-win then eh
Gravlen
31-08-2007, 17:09
You just did. So prove it. I don't have to prove a negative.

Into major fallacies today?
Damn, you really can't read can you...

Let me spell it out for you.

"You, Remote Observer, is malicious. Will you edit the OP for the benefit of other malicious people, people like you, the malicious Remote Observer?"

Get it now?
Well, quite frankly, the way it was written implied that that is what you meant. It wasn't the worst possible interpretation, it was in fact a logical interpretation of where you put, as well well as how you wrote, the item in parenthesis.

As well, misinterpreting an ambiguous statement is not stupid. It is up to you, the creator of this topic, to make your intentions as clear and concise as possible, not up to the reader to correctly identify what is meant by an extremely vague statement.

Also, with your past posting history, inferring what I did, and others as well, seemed like the logically meaning of an extremely vague statement.


So no, it is not the reader that is stupid for inferring what you meant from a vague statement.

Hear, hear.
Remote Observer
31-08-2007, 17:10
You haven't proven I'm malicious.
Gataway
31-08-2007, 17:12
I'm waiting for another laddie to come in lol
Remote Observer
31-08-2007, 17:14
I'm waiting for another laddie to come in lol

It's rather like eating pilchards in tomato sauce, and having no bread to go with it.
Proto-Expeditionary
31-08-2007, 17:15
I F$%kin hate you all. How's that for bashing?
Gravlen
31-08-2007, 17:17
You haven't proven I'm malicious.

That I haven't. And I don't feel like I need to either. People familiar with your work will nod to themselves and carry on, people who don't know will stay out of this.

But we both know the truth about this matter. Now, get the guy who can read on. He's much more fun.
Remote Observer
31-08-2007, 17:20
That I haven't. And I don't feel like I need to either. People familiar with your work will nod to themselves and carry on, people who don't know will stay out of this.

But we both know the truth about this matter. Now, get the guy who can read on. He's much more fun.

Check the sig. I suppose you think I'm being malicious there, too.
Gataway
31-08-2007, 17:22
I F$%kin hate you all. How's that for bashing?

I'll drink to that
Gravlen
31-08-2007, 17:23
Check the sig. I suppose you think I'm being malicious there, too.

You suppose a lot of things.
Proto-Expeditionary
31-08-2007, 17:25
You bring the identity, I'll tell you to f$%k off for free. Anti-gun, pro-gun, pro-religion, anti-religion ...
Rorness
31-08-2007, 17:49
Well, not really. They're just told that pigs are unclean (same reason the Jews have).

i'm sorry, but i do not see how this statement could possibly be ambiguous.

and all your arguments about malice and such are getting increasingly irrelevant.

cheers.
Agolthia
31-08-2007, 18:32
i'm sorry, but i do not see how this statement could possibly be ambiguous.

and all your arguments about malice and such are getting increasingly irrelevant.

cheers.

It was edited because of the confusion.
Yaltabaoth
31-08-2007, 18:41
Suggested alternative title for thread: "Why NSG Thinks RO Is Offensive".
Greater Trostia
31-08-2007, 19:35
pigs ARE unclean. They roll around in their own shit. I think they eat shit too. Filthy!

But I wouldn't mind eating them because I assume that meat goes through some sort of shit-washing cycle before popping out on my dinner plate.

That's the trouble with religious food taboos - quite often, they're based on simple pre-industrial food processing and handling inadequacies, and thus no longer relevant in the modern world.
Proto-Expeditionary
31-08-2007, 19:58
OOOOoaAAAAAArghgh -GWWEEssHH - BOOMMMM - UUUGGH (bad crash simulation). So we are stranded on an island and the only sustenance of matter is pig. Do you eat the pig, or do you go cannibal because of your religion?
Nodinia
31-08-2007, 20:42
Nope. I recognize what others call Muslim bashing.

Essentially, any thread in which I point out a truthful example of Muslims doing something heinous is "Muslim-bashing".

But it appears that for some, posting anything with the word "Muslim" in it is "Muslim bashing".

Are you afraid that such posts will cause more terrorism?

Is that the kind of tough questioning logic that helped you get your law degree?
Nodinia
31-08-2007, 20:45
You haven't proven I'm malicious.

Malignant, lying, boastful, and attention seeking....far more accurate and provable too.
CthulhuFhtagn
31-08-2007, 20:47
If you think this is Muslim bashing i would LOVE to see your reaction to the Mohammed or w/e the guys name is..cartoons...

Failed the central tenet of cariactures. 1. Be amusing. 2. Actually resemble the person you are cariacturing. In other words, Mohammed should look like whatever Middle Eastern group he belonged to, and not a Russian hat dancer.
Riopo
31-08-2007, 20:50
pigs ARE unclean. They roll around in their own shit. I think they eat shit too. Filthy!

But I wouldn't mind eating them because I assume that meat goes through some sort of shit-washing cycle before popping out on my dinner plate.

Yep, They have the all new ShitCleaner 2000. Available in Argos, Tescos, Wal Mart, Morrisons and all good retail stores. :D
New new nebraska
31-08-2007, 22:40
Having gotten me to watch that by posting the link you sir or madame now owe me 2 minutes and 36 seconds of my life and 150 or so braincells...

Hah I only watched about 30 seconds and fast fowarded.
Gravlen
31-08-2007, 23:44
i'm sorry, but i do not see how this statement could possibly be ambiguous.

and all your arguments about malice and such are getting increasingly irrelevant.

cheers.
See Agolthias post below.

When you read the original quote, your input in this matter will no longer be completely irrelevant.

It was edited because of the confusion.

...though I still suspect that it was intentional.
The_pantless_hero
01-09-2007, 00:28
pigs ARE unclean. They roll around in their own shit. I think they eat shit too. Filthy!
You mean like dogs?
Proto-Expeditionary
01-09-2007, 02:07
Dogs lick their balls because they can - wouldn't you if you could? As for them eating crap, that's just horse shit.
Aryavartha
01-09-2007, 02:21
Pigs that are grown outside of factory farms of modern days, used to roll around in the gutter eating feces etc and more prone to carry diseases....so maybe Mo thought it was a good idea to ban it while he is a prophet.

I dunno....I could never eat pork during my meat eating days too. Tried the pork chops and felt like throwing up.
Aryavartha
01-09-2007, 02:22
You mean like dogs?

We don't eat stray dogs from the streets, do we? ;)
Katganistan
01-09-2007, 03:16
I F$%kin hate you all. How's that for bashing?

That's immature.
Herbal Jah
01-09-2007, 03:52
This thread needs more pigs. Time to bust out the pigrocket! http://c.photos.cx/launchingpig-e35.jpg
Marrakech II
01-09-2007, 04:36
OOOOoaAAAAAArghgh -GWWEEssHH - BOOMMMM - UUUGGH (bad crash simulation). So we are stranded on an island and the only sustenance of matter is pig. Do you eat the pig, or do you go cannibal because of your religion?

You eat the damn pig. It may be a religious taboo but if there is nothing else to eat you eat the pig. It is ok in Islam to eat pork if you do it to live rather then die of starvation. I assume it is the same for Judaism.
Liminus
01-09-2007, 06:34
You eat the damn pig. It may be a religious taboo but if there is nothing else to eat you eat the pig. It is ok in Islam to eat pork if you do it to live rather then die of starvation. I assume it is the same for Judaism.

It is. If it is a life or death situation, it is almost always assumed that the life option, however sinful under normal circumstances, is the correct option in Judaism.
Sel Appa
01-09-2007, 08:14
The actual reason is probably because pigs eat food that was needed for humans or something that made them inefficient as a food source in the Middle East.
Riopo
01-09-2007, 08:45
This thread needs more pigs. Time to bust out the pigrocket! http://c.photos.cx/launchingpig-e35.jpg

What the hell! :D A Pig drinking and getting launched?!

Also, What else can you do with pigs exept eat them??? :confused:
Andaras Prime
01-09-2007, 08:50
Well pigs are quite dirty creatures, you don't have to read the Koran to realize that.
CthulhuFhtagn
01-09-2007, 11:19
You eat the damn pig. It may be a religious taboo but if there is nothing else to eat you eat the pig. It is ok in Islam to eat pork if you do it to live rather then die of starvation. I assume it is the same for Judaism.

Not to mention that humans are unclean as well.
Plenzania
01-09-2007, 11:33
The real reason is because red meat in the middle east tended to have quite a lot of parasites because it's not prepared properly. Hence a lot of people died from eating it, and they assumed it to be a sensible idea to swear off it forever. It's stuck from tradition since. I don't blame them!

All I see in this thread is a lot of people insulting one another because they want to insult one another. Jeez folks, this is the internet, not represent another guy as all the evils in the world.. net.
Agolthia
01-09-2007, 21:32
See Agolthias post below.

When you read the original quote, your input in this matter will no longer be completely irrelevant.



...though I still suspect that it was intentional.

I try to err on the side of generous
(incidently you can tell I'm still a new guy around here because I still get excited when people quote me....and I reply several hours past relevancy :p)
Gravlen
01-09-2007, 22:48
I try to err on the side of generous
(incidently you can tell I'm still a new guy around here because I still get excited when people quote me....and I reply several hours past relevancy :p)

That only shows you've got the makings of a good generalite, mr. new guy from march 2005 :p