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As you may or may not know, there's a month and a half to Atma's birthday -- thus it's time to suggest what goes on his wishlist! Some guidelines:

* No XBox, Xbox360, PSP, or PS3 games -- Atma doesn't have those systems.
* No FPSes or RTSes -- Atma's just not into those. FPAs (such as MP3, which is on it) and TBSes (an entirely different genres) are fine, however.
* No games with monthly fees.

Atma's current list:

* Metroid Prime 3

--DragonAtma, aka South Lorenya

As you may or may not know, there's a month and a half to Atma's birthday -- thus it's time to suggest what goes on his wishlist! Some guidelines:

* No XBox, Xbox360, PSP, or PS3 games -- Atma doesn't have those systems.
* No FPSes or RTSes -- Atma's just not into those. FPAs (such as MP3, which is on it) and TBSes (an entirely different genres) are fine, however.
* No games with monthly fees.

Atma's current list:

* Metroid Prime 3

--DragonAtma, aka South Lorenya

Bioshock, if you have a good pc. If you don't consider Metroid Prime 3 an fps, chances are you won't consider Bioshock one either.

avoid games with dragons in them.

How RPGish (ala MP1/2/3) is Bioshock? I've heard people recommend it before, but I've also heard report of it sticking spyware/malware on your PC that it refuses to uninstall.

avoid games with dragons in them.

Fuck you, Suikoden kicks ass. :P

RPG

- Suikoden 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. First two are PSX, others are PS2.

- Disgaea 1 and 2, PS2.

- Persona (Shin Megami Tensei) 1 (PSX), 2 (I think PS2, not sure), 3 (PS2).

- Anything from Atlus or Working Designs, and this includes Growlanser: Generations (PS2), and Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete (PSX).


Also, for a nice action/RPG mix on the GBA/DS, get the Castlevania games they have.

How RPGish (ala MP1/2/3) is Bioshock? I've heard people recommend it before, but I've also heard report of it sticking spyware/malware on your PC that it refuses to uninstall.

Never heard of it doing that.

I've seen it compared to Oblivion in terms of RPGness.

How RPGish (ala MP1/2/3) is Bioshock?

I'm not sure what you mean by mp1/2/3. I guess i'm less of a gamer then I thought. :cool:


I've heard people recommend it before, but I've also heard report of it sticking spyware/malware on your PC that it refuses to uninstall.

Well, if this is true, some guy will release a patch for it eventually.

* MP1/2/3 = Metroid prime 1/2/3
* Atma has half the games Szanth recommended, including Suikoden 3. he's not planning on getting any opther Suikodens (sorry).

Never heard of it doing that.

I've seen it compared to Oblivion in terms of RPGness.

Some people are very unhappy with the version of SecuRom it uses.

Even more importantly, some people are very unhappy that it has online activation, and limits you to five installs (originally it was two). Either of those things are reason enough for me not to buy it.

* MP1/2/3 = Metroid prime 1/2/3
* Atma has half the games Szanth recommended, including Suikoden 3. he's not planning on getting any opther Suikodens (sorry).

He should've started off with Suikoden 1 or 2, the best of the series. However, 1 far exceeds that of any others.

Also, tell him to get the other half. He won't regret it.

Some people are very unhappy with the version of SecuRom it uses.

Even more importantly, some people are very unhappy that it has online activation, and limits you to five installs (originally it was two). Either of those things are reason enough for me not to buy it.

Well, you see, I love to sail the sea, and I do what I want because I'm free, so... securom is no problem for me.

Well, you see, I love to sail the sea, and I do what I want because I'm free, so... securom is no problem for me.

There ain't a - um - community-provided fix for the activation yet ¬_¬

But I don't mind SecuRom really - having the DVD in the drive is only very mildly annoying, and I've suffered no ill effects from it (or from StarForce, in fact, although that's a bit annoying to get rid of). But I object to online activation of singleplayer games in principle, and I object to them saying I can only install the game a limited number of times. So whilst I was quite looking forward to the game I will quite happily go without so as not to give them money and encourage the use of these things in future.
Lots of other people seem to feel the same.

There ain't a - um - community-provided fix for the activation yet ¬_¬

But I don't mind SecuRom really - having the DVD in the drive is only very mildly annoying, and I've suffered no ill effects from it (or from StarForce, in fact, although that's a bit annoying to get rid of). But I object to online activation of singleplayer games in principle, and I object to them saying I can only install the game a limited number of times. So whilst I was quite looking forward to the game I will quite happily go without so as not to give them money and encourage the use of these things in future.
Lots of other people seem to feel the same.

There will be. There's such a huge demand for it, they'll come out with a keygen and exe-crack for it within the next month, no problem.

Isn't there a multiplayer for Bioshock? If there is, I don't mind the online activation.

I started at Suikoden 3 because #2 was $200 on ebay and #1 was about half that. And it just didn't old my interest, so I won't go on to 4 or 5.

As for persona, I played a translated SNES Shin Megami Tensei (which is essentially persona 0). It was interesting, but not so interesting I'll be getting persona 1/2/3...

Until they release a version with no Securom, Bioshock is a guaranteed no.

Well, you see, I love to sail the sea, and I do what I want because I'm free, so... securom is no problem for me.

I would wait for an official community idea to surface. Sometimes the game producers watch what goes on in back bays, and I'd rather not be caught again.

Hey, just go for Meteroid Prime 3. You said it first and it surely seems to be the best...

I started at Suikoden 3 because #2 was $200 on ebay and #1 was about half that. And it just didn't old my interest, so I won't go on to 4 or 5.

As for persona, I played a translated SNES Shin Megami Tensei (which is essentially persona 0). It was interesting, but not so interesting I'll be getting persona 1/2/3...

Until they release a version with no Securom, Bioshock is a guaranteed no.

Yeah 1 and 2 are classics, and are fairly difficult to find, but if you figure out how a PSX emulator works on a PC, and then download the ISO, you're good to go.

EDIT: Oh and how the hell did I forget .hack?! Jesus christ, that series is awesome.

I suggest starting from the originals, .hack 1-4, and then moving onto .hack//G.U.

buy BF2 complete collection. Then download Point of existence 2

Great game, Great mod

buy BF2 complete collection. Then download Point of existence 2

Great game, Great mod

... I'm fairly certain he said no FPS. GG reading comprehension.

Hmmm.... ok then, Need for speed carbon

Hmmm.... ok then, Need for speed carbon
Nonono.

If you're going to play a Need for Speed game, go for Most Wanted. Carbon is interesting, but the gameplay is rather poor at best...although Most Wanted isn't TOO MUCH better, it's at least more about the gameplay in that it has a lot of fun with dodging police officers. Carbon tones that down and as such is more about looking good than being a game.

Isn't there a multiplayer for Bioshock? If there is, I don't mind the online activation.

No, singleplayer only.
But still - limited activations? :s I don't like where that's headed...

Resident Evil 4 is a given, if he doesn't already have it.

How RPGish (ala MP1/2/3) is Bioshock? I've heard people recommend it before, but I've also heard report of it sticking spyware/malware on your PC that it refuses to uninstall.
Metroid Prime is not a god damn RPG. It's an FPS. And wtf is TBS. And yes, Bioshock has a bullshit RootKit like system coming with it, evne the Steam version. If you think Metroid Prime is RPGish and not a pure FPS, which it is, you should get Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.

Resident Evil 4 is a given, if he doesn't already have it.

Yeah, good idea.

Metroid Prime is not a god damn RPG. It's an FPS. And wtf is TBS. And yes, Bioshock has a bullshit RootKit like system coming with it, evne the Steam version. If you think Metroid Prime is RPGish and not a pure FPS, which it is, you should get Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.

I've never played Metroid Prime, so I wouldn't know.

Also, I'm sure the rootkit thing will be hacked out eventually.

I've never played Metroid Prime, so I wouldn't know.

Also, I'm sure the rootkit thing will be hacked out eventually.
See my sig. I got it from a news article that was analyzing the Bioshock thing and the conclusion was that pirating it was less stressful than buying it legit.

Metroid Prime is not a god damn RPG. It's an FPS. And wtf is TBS. And yes, Bioshock has a bullshit RootKit like system coming with it, evne the Steam version. If you think Metroid Prime is RPGish and not a pure FPS, which it is, you should get Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.

Dark Messiah is a pretty good product demo. This is what you could do if we made a game.

I've seen it compared to Oblivion in terms of RPGness.

That seems like quite an exaggeration to me. I love BioShock, but it's very much a shooter with only minimal RPG elements.

See my sig. I got it from a news article that was analyzing the Bioshock thing and the conclusion was that pirating it was less stressful than buying it legit.

Does that mean they've already cracked it?

Dark Messiah is a pretty good product demo. This is what you could do if we made a game.

DM's just a good game in general. I thoroughly enjoyed the single player. Not so much the MP, but meh.

That seems like quite an exaggeration to me. I love BioShock, but it's very much a shooter with only minimal RPG elements.

Well in your opinion, is it anything like Deus Ex?

Does that mean they've already cracked it?



DM's just a good game in general. I thoroughly enjoyed the single player. Not so much the MP, but meh.

My gripes were that it was horrifyingly linear, and way too short. They had some neat ideas like the making weapons thing, which they used twice and never really mattered. The different weapon types were pretty pointless (though I loved using staves and daggers together). The kicking gimmick was really over-used, and there are many points in the "game" where it's a matter of try try try try try try try again chasing the ghoul, evading the giant worm.

Well in your opinion, is it anything like Deus Ex?

This is where I have to make the embarrassing admission that I have never played Deus Ex. I missed it when it came out and now that I want to play it, I haven't been able to find it anywhere. I've certainly heard it compared to Deus Ex by people who've played both, but I understand it's a little lighter on the RPG elements, with no "skill points" and no real NPC interaction.

My gripes were that it was horrifyingly linear, and way too short. They had some neat ideas like the making weapons thing, which they used twice and never really mattered. The different weapon types were pretty pointless (though I loved using staves and daggers together). The kicking gimmick was really over-used, and there are many points in the "game" where it's a matter of try try try try try try try again chasing the ghoul, evading the giant worm.

I'll grant you all that, but I still say it was just fun as hell to play. It could've been so much better, but I enjoyed what it was.

This is where I have to make the embarrassing admission that I have never played Deus Ex. I missed it when it came out and now that I want to play it, I haven't been able to find it anywhere. I've certainly heard it compared to Deus Ex by people who've played both, but I understand it's a little lighter on the RPG elements, with no "skill points" and no real NPC interaction.

I should take you sailing sometime, I think you'd really enjoy it. We can do what we want, and be free.

As you may or may not know, there's a month and a half to Atma's birthday -- thus it's time to suggest what goes on his wishlist! Some guidelines:

* No XBox, Xbox360, PSP, or PS3 games -- Atma doesn't have those systems.
* No FPSes or RTSes -- Atma's just not into those. FPAs (such as MP3, which is on it) and TBSes (an entirely different genres) are fine, however.
* No games with monthly fees.

Atma's current list:

* Metroid Prime 3

--DragonAtma, aka South Lorenya

Are you referring to yourself in the third person?

Anyway, I really don't know what to recommend you besides FPS, or RTS games. If you don't already have it pick up a copy of Skies of Arcadia Legends, or Hearts of Iron II: Doomsday.

Also, anyone who doesn't like Bioshock has terrible taste.

Are you referring to yourself in the third person?

Anyway, I really don't know what to recommend you besides FPS, or RTS games. If you don't already have it pick up a copy of Skies of Arcadia Legends, or Hearts of Iron II: Doomsday.

Also, anyone who doesn't like Bioshock has terrible taste.

What's Hearts of Iron like? I mean, genre-wise, or can you compare it to another game?

What's Hearts of Iron like? I mean, genre-wise, or can you compare it to another game?

Hard to classify. Its sort of like Civilization, but much more deep and complex. Don't let the bare bones graphics fool you, its probably the most addicting game I've played. On my German campaign I'm currently fighting the US in South America, and the Japanese through Nazi Nationalist China.

Hard to classify. Its sort of like Civilization, but much more deep and complex. Don't let the bare bones graphics fool you, its probably the most addicting game I've played. On my German campaign I'm currently fighting the US in South America, and the Japanese through Nazi Nationalist China.

Ah, RTS. Not my bag.

Ah, RTS. Not my bag.

Not an RTS.

Not an RTS.

O_o Civilization is an RTS

Civilization is a TBS. ;)

O_o Civilization is an RTS

You're joking right? Civilization is a, say it with me, turn based strategy game.

You're joking right? Civilization is a, say it with me, turn based strategy game.

Meh, I lump the two together because I dislike them an equal amount.

MP3 isn't an RPG -- it merely has RPGish elements (such as picking up new weapons that stay with you the whole game and energy tanks that permanently raise your maximum health). It's an FPA (First Person Adventure) game, not an FPS.

TBS = Turn-Based Strategy. That means that you don't have to click furiously to send swarms of Zerglings together or micromanage your Druids of the Claw.

RTS = Real-Time Strategy. The term "Real-Time Tactics" would be much better, as they almost always deal with individual battles, not campaigns. Confusing RTS and TBS is like confusing Star Trek with Lord of the Rings because both have nonhumans.

Survival horror doesn't do anything for me because it's just not scary.

I see we have another Paradox fan! I was playing Crusader Kings earlier -- the Prince of Galich declared war on me, so I invaded his territories until he agreed to yield the Prince of Galich title. As for Hearts of Iron 2, it's an empire-building title, although the time period (1936-1948) determines who's on which side fairly well.

Meh, I lump the two together because I dislike them an equal amount.
But they're very different and have very different collections of fans.

I love TBS.

I hate RTS.

If you want to give someone the gift of games, and they have even a vaguely adequate PC (anything built in the last 5 years), and they're in North America (because the service doesn't appear to be available elsewhere), I recommend a GameTap subscription. $7/month.

But they're very different and have very different collections of fans.

I love TBS.

I hate RTS.

It's like comparing a game of chess to a fist fight. :rolleyes:

I much prefer TBS, though I do also enjoy a good brawl from time to time.

I'd recommend Shadow of the Colossus, but I think it's PS2 only. Still...

But they're very different and have very different collections of fans.

I love TBS.

I hate RTS.

I like HoMM5, but that's about it.

Dark Messiah is a pretty good product demo. This is what you could do if we made a game.
It could use a sequel or be made longer. The game really uses the engine and effects. Set stuff on fire, set stuff on fire and throw it at people and set them on fire with it. Throw oil jars at people and set them on fire alive with a single fire attack (as opposed to when they die). Kick people in fires and set them on fire. Kick people over ledges. Freeze people, freeze the ground and watch idiots slide around. Knock stuff apart so it falls on the bad guys, chop ropes to swing traps at things. Use adrenaline telekinesis to pick up live people and toss them across the map. (I did that yesterday, hilarious.) Electrocute water creatures are standing in and watch a group of them fry. The melee adrenaline attacks are fun too. Backstab people with daggers or lob off an arm, a head, stab them in the stomach. Too bad it's short and has some annoying creatures that arn't any fun - like half of them.

Oblivion for the PC. Kick Ass game if ou don't have it yet.

Mount&Blade (taleworlds.com)

It could use a sequel or be made longer. The game really uses the engine and effects. Set stuff on fire, set stuff on fire and throw it at people and set them on fire with it. Throw oil jars at people and set them on fire alive with a single fire attack (as opposed to when they die). Kick people in fires and set them on fire. Kick people over ledges. Freeze people, freeze the ground and watch idiots slide around. Knock stuff apart so it falls on the bad guys, chop ropes to swing traps at things. Use adrenaline telekinesis to pick up live people and toss them across the map. (I did that yesterday, hilarious.) Electrocute water creatures are standing in and watch a group of them fry. The melee adrenaline attacks are fun too. Backstab people with daggers or lob off an arm, a head, stab them in the stomach. Too bad it's short and has some annoying creatures that arn't any fun - like half of them.

Oh it had some neat gimmicks, I just played through the whole thing waiting to start the game and get out of the demo portion. I though it was like Oblivion's intro quest!

I hope someone does something cool with the engine, 'cause there are so many nice things you can do with it. My favorite was just using telekinesis with a rock and using it to bash people's skulls in. After a few kills the rock turns sorta black with all the blood all over it. Something nice about backstabbing too, stabbing them in the neck and sorta slicing/twisting. Man that's fun.

You know you can toss corpses through the portal to the necro's lair? When you come out the other side the portal guards are all hunched over the dead guy. Stabby stabby, dead guards.

I hope someone does something cool with the engine, 'cause there are so many nice things you can do with it. My favorite was just using telekinesis with a rock and using it to bash people's skulls in.
That's not as powerful as you think. Better to tele' an oil jar at them and light 'em up. Now, if you throw a cage at them like I did yesterday. Adrenaline telekinesis is awesome because you can pick up living people, and I hear the really large objects that light up when you point at them but can't pick up.


You know you can toss corpses through the portal to the necro's lair? When you come out the other side the portal guards are all hunched over the dead guy. Stabby stabby, dead guards.
I usually just get rushed by the damned Arantir creatures. They are tough as undead but way more powerful. Have to use Sanctuary or get pwned.

The problem is getting used to the 'natural' wobble of running and attacking. And staffs are awesome, but hard to use. Knock them down the coup de grace them.

And did you try charm? Always nice not having to fight, but the blow torch spell is fucking awesome, but uses up way too much mana for too little damage, except when it is adrenaline charged when it roasts everything.

All this fire's got me to remembering X-Men Legends 2.

God that's a good game. I use Sunfire and just 'ignite' everything. Such a broken technique against everything except bosses, shit just blows up all around you out of nowhere, more often than not it kills everything in one hit all at once. Then you upgrade it. Good shit, I enjoy that game, and suggest you get that game as well.

That's not as powerful as you think. Better to tele' an oil jar at them and light 'em up. Now, if you throw a cage at them like I did yesterday. Adrenaline telekinesis is awesome because you can pick up living people, and I hear the really large objects that light up when you point at them but can't pick up.



I usually just get rushed by the damned Arantir creatures. They are tough as undead but way more powerful. Have to use Sanctuary or get pwned.

The problem is getting used to the 'natural' wobble of running and attacking. And staffs are awesome, but hard to use. Knock them down the coup de grace them.

And did you try charm? Always nice not having to fight, but the blow torch spell is fucking awesome, but uses up way too much mana for too little damage, except when it is adrenaline charged when it roasts everything.

The magic system really disappointed me, the only two spells I used with any frequency were telekinesis and heal. Using a staff is a great way to deal with humanoids, the combat system in the game was I think excellent, though too much reliance on kicking things into conveniently placed sets of clearly out of place spikes.

Also didn't care for the archery system, hitting anything accurately (read Headshot!) was very hard, anything less than a perfect hit wouldn't really do much. Seemed to me like arrows were only there to set off traps remotely. Though arrows from the rope bow were a good way to deal with some of the endless zombie hordes in the temple. Pop their lil heads right off.

Planescape: Torment.

Provided, of course, you can actually find the game.

The magic system really disappointed me, the only two spells I used with any frequency were telekinesis and heal. Using a staff is a great way to deal with humanoids, the combat system in the game was I think excellent, though too much reliance on kicking things into conveniently placed sets of clearly out of place spikes.

Also didn't care for the archery system, hitting anything accurately (read Headshot!) was very hard, anything less than a perfect hit wouldn't really do much. Seemed to me like arrows were only there to set off traps remotely. Though arrows from the rope bow were a good way to deal with some of the endless zombie hordes in the temple. Pop their lil heads right off.

You'd have to upgrade bow completely and crouch there for a while with the string pulled before firing. It's only really useful against slow-moving enemies (read: zombies) or ones that don't see you.

Planescape: Torment.

Provided, of course, you can actually find the game.

Hell yes.

Sail the seas on that shit, though - you'll never find it in any store, and it'll probably be ridiculously expensive online.

Sail the seas on that shit, though - you'll never find it in any store, and it'll probably be ridiculously expensive online.
Indeed. I was lucky enough to have found the copy lying around in my basement. I saw it, and I thought "Hey, I've heard of this game. Let's fire it up."

My life ended that day.

Indeed. I was lucky enough to have found the copy lying around in my basement. I saw it, and I thought "Hey, I've heard of this game. Let's fire it up."

My life ended that day.

Fire it up! Fire it up! Fire it up! [/retarded Crow gangsters]

*cheapass bump*

Also, apparently X-Men Legends 2 is for the PC as well.

I'll be sailin' into international waters tonight, nnyarrrr.

Sometimes the game producers watch what goes on in back bays, and I'd rather not be caught again.

Again? o_o

Planescape: Torment.

Provided, of course, you can actually find the game.

I love how everyone's recommending all these classics. Now where'd I leave my eyepatch...?