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Are dreams for real and is real life a dream?

Nation States II
30-08-2007, 17:19
Are dreams for real and is real life a dream?

Probably it is not. But it could be.

Anyway, we can put someone on the moon, soar close to Pluto, we can destroy entire countries, we are gods!

But we don’t know why we are dreaming.

We do it almost every night and everybody is doing it. It seems that even animals have their dreams as well.

But why?

It happened to me, that I found the solution for real life problems inside my dreams. Workable solutions.

Some say it’s like a refresh or reboot of your brain system.

Others say it’s a kind of communication with some god.

The philosophy thinking of ‘dreams are real and real life is a dream’ is rather old.
Buddhism was making use of it and many other religions and cosmologies do it as well.

In high school we were already debating this issue. One of our teachers told a story about one who was dreaming he was bird. But maybe when he woke up the bird was dreaming he was a man…

I have sometimes lucid dreams. I enjoy those a lot.

Sometimes, I could even ‘rewind and play’ pieces of my dream and do some action a little different and I will percept another outcome or another reaction of the other ‘actors’ in my dream. I can do it as much as I want till I like the result.

Question stays: Why are we dreaming?
Smunkeeville
30-08-2007, 17:27
I think I dream to be doing something constructive while I sleep, otherwise sleep is wasting time.
Splintered Yootopia
30-08-2007, 17:31
Erm...

We know why we dream, it's to get unfired impulses from needs out of the brain in a harmless environment. Tada.
Szanth
30-08-2007, 17:47
Scientifically speaking, dreams are our mind's way of .rar'ing the day's events and archiving them into memory. As such, things don't seem to make much sense when the whole day or however much amount of time being archived is being compressed over the course of a night.

Of course, that's just our most prevelant theory. There's a bunch of things we don't know or can't explain that go on in our mind during sleep.

I like to think we live a second, more heroic and important life while we dream. One that, when we wake up, will affect how our waking life will proceed. Course that's just my wish - it's a lot more romantic than what the truth most likely is.
Vetalia
30-08-2007, 17:56
We know why we dream, it's to get unfired impulses from needs out of the brain in a harmless environment. Tada.

Except for precognitive dreams...
Dalmatia Cisalpina
30-08-2007, 17:56
I'm infinitely cooler in my dreams. Perhaps I dream to live the life I wish I could when I'm awake. Though sometimes the two lives seem to cross.
Szanth
30-08-2007, 18:01
I'm infinitely cooler in my dreams. Perhaps I dream to live the life I wish I could when I'm awake. Though sometimes the two lives seem to cross.

I'm thinking about writing a novel, the premise of which is that after reading about lucid dreaming and attempting it a few times, a man learns that the actions of his dreams are a metaphor for the day to come, and he can shape his future days the night before by completing certain goals. He may find others with the same ability, and may become elbow-deep in a plot to start WW3, with the intention of keeping it from happening through manipulation of the dream world.
Nation States II
30-08-2007, 18:08
I'm thinking about writing a novel, the premise of which is that after reading about lucid dreaming and attempting it a few times, a man learns that the actions of his dreams are a metaphor for the day to come, and he can shape his future days the night before by completing certain goals. He may find others with the same ability, and may become elbow-deep in a plot to start WW3, with the intention of keeping it from happening through manipulation of the dream world.



Well, it really is working like that, sometimes.

I remember a lucid dream where I had a difficult conversation with a former girlfriend about something that happened in real life.

I rewinded and played till she and I were satisfied by some compromise.

The next day, I had that conversation in real life. I used the words from my dream and it really worked out well. :)

It's a shame that I have once in a blue moon such lucid dreams.

:)
Smunkeeville
30-08-2007, 18:12
I'm thinking about writing a novel, the premise of which is that after reading about lucid dreaming and attempting it a few times, a man learns that the actions of his dreams are a metaphor for the day to come, and he can shape his future days the night before by completing certain goals. He may find others with the same ability, and may become elbow-deep in a plot to start WW3, with the intention of keeping it from happening through manipulation of the dream world.

NaNoWriMo is only 2 months away!
Szanth
30-08-2007, 18:13
Well, it really is working like that, sometimes.

I remember a lucid dream where I had a difficult conversation with a former girlfriend about something that happened in real life.

I rewinded and played till she and I were satisfied by some compromise.

The next day, I had that conversation in real life. I used the words from my dream and it really worked out well. :)

It's a shame that I have once in a blue moon such lucid dreams.

:)

You should see "Waking Life", the Richard Linklater film.

NaNoWriMo is only 2 months away!

Translation?
Callang Provinces
30-08-2007, 18:19
Are dreams for real and is real life a dream?

If only loan sharks would accept dream money!
Szanth
30-08-2007, 18:20
If only loan sharks would accept dream money!

They do, when you're dreaming.
Infinite Revolution
30-08-2007, 18:21
i wish i had lucid dreams, they sound fun.
The Tribes Of Longton
30-08-2007, 18:23
i wish i had lucid dreams, they sound fun.
They are, although the two I've had recently suggest I've got some serious problems :p
Smunkeeville
30-08-2007, 18:23
Translation?

http://www.nanowrimo.org/ sorry.
Szanth
30-08-2007, 18:24
i wish i had lucid dreams, they sound fun.

Waking Life.

http://www.nanowrimo.org/ sorry.

Ooo, sounds fun. Dunno if I'd enjoy that, though - I'm pretty OCD with what I write, I use the backspace key like it's a clean whore giving it out as many times as is requested.
Kyronea
30-08-2007, 18:38
Except for precognitive dreams...

I used to consider those real too until I started examining them more closely. Turns out it's just random coincidence and selective memory for the dream details that results in believing that a dream is precognitive when really it's just a collection of random images in your brain like everything else in a dream.
Smunkeeville
30-08-2007, 18:42
Ooo, sounds fun. Dunno if I'd enjoy that, though - I'm pretty OCD with what I write, I use the backspace key like it's a clean whore giving it out as many times as is requested.

it's a challenge to turn off my own inner editor, basically I have a post-it on my computer that says "November write, December edit"

quite a few Generalites do Nanowrimo, I am going to start a group on the NaNo forums for us this November.
Callang Provinces
30-08-2007, 18:42
They do, when you're dreaming.

But my knees aren't at risk in my dream life.......
Infinite Revolution
30-08-2007, 18:43
They are, although the two I've had recently suggest I've got some serious problems :p

Heh! if only i could remember dreams then i might get some insight into myself, although that might be a bad thing.
Szanth
30-08-2007, 18:49
But my knees aren't at risk in my dream life.......

They are in your dreams!

Heh! if only i could remember dreams then i might get some insight into myself, although that might be a bad thing.

You can remember lucid dreams much more vividly than regular dreams, because you're consciously taking a part in them.
Szanth
30-08-2007, 18:50
it's a challenge to turn off my own inner editor, basically I have a post-it on my computer that says "November write, December edit"

quite a few Generalites do Nanowrimo, I am going to start a group on the NaNo forums for us this November.

I'd hit it!
Johnny B Goode
30-08-2007, 19:24
Are dreams for real and is real life a dream?

Probably it is not. But it could be.

Anyway, we can put someone on the moon, soar close to Pluto, we can destroy entire countries, we are gods!

But we don’t know why we are dreaming.

We do it almost every night and everybody is doing it. It seems that even animals have their dreams as well.

But why?

It happened to me, that I found the solution for real life problems inside my dreams. Workable solutions.

Some say it’s like a refresh or reboot of your brain system.

Others say it’s a kind of communication with some god.

The philosophy thinking of ‘dreams are real and real life is a dream’ is rather old.
Buddhism was making use of it and many other religions and cosmologies do it as well.

In high school we were already debating this issue. One of our teachers told a story about one who was dreaming he was bird. But maybe when he woke up the bird was dreaming he was a man…

I have sometimes lucid dreams. I enjoy those a lot.

Sometimes, I could even ‘rewind and play’ pieces of my dream and do some action a little different and I will percept another outcome or another reaction of the other ‘actors’ in my dream. I can do it as much as I want till I like the result.

Question stays: Why are we dreaming?

I rarely dream, and when I do, it's about somewhere I've never been, like West Virginia.
Szanth
30-08-2007, 19:35
I rarely dream, and when I do, it's about somewhere I've never been, like West Virginia.

You have sex with immediate relatives in your dreams?
Johnny B Goode
30-08-2007, 22:28
You have sex with immediate relatives in your dreams?

I'm from Massachusetts, for Christ's sake! (And I've never actually had a sex dream)
Szanth
31-08-2007, 16:30
I'm from Massachusetts, for Christ's sake! (And I've never actually had a sex dream)

Sooo you do it IRL? =D
Johnny B Goode
31-08-2007, 20:01
Sooo you do it IRL? =D

That's terrible, man.
Baecken
01-09-2007, 09:38
Life is definitely a dream, because I am more successful in my dreams than in real life. If I could only remember the ways in which I reach success in my dreams, I could apply it to real life ... or am I dreaming when I assume that I am awake ? that would mean that I live my life in bed and when I get up I start to dream WHOW that explains a lot of my fuck-ups and because I was dreaming they didn't really happen, tell that to a judge .....
The Brevious
01-09-2007, 09:43
Except for precognitive dreams...

Yay!
Tullylinker
01-09-2007, 11:49
You will all dream about me tonight. You are trying to picture me right now.






STOP PICTUREING ME NAKED!!!!!!!!
Trivialite
02-09-2007, 10:15
Are dreams reality? Yes, they are as real as when you are awake. You experience reality with your 5 senses and through memory (when you are in a dream state.)

I exist as much when I am asleep as when I am awake.
The Mindset
02-09-2007, 10:25
No. I died in a fire in a dream two nights ago. Last night I was alive again. Don't see how that'd work if dreams were actually reality.
Posi
02-09-2007, 10:32
Scientifically speaking, dreams are our mind's way of .rar'ing the day's events and archiving them into memory. As such, things don't seem to make much sense when the whole day or however much amount of time being archived is being compressed over the course of a night.

Of course, that's just our most prevelant theory. There's a bunch of things we don't know or can't explain that go on in our mind during sleep.

I like to think we live a second, more heroic and important life while we dream. One that, when we wake up, will affect how our waking life will proceed. Course that's just my wish - it's a lot more romantic than what the truth most likely is.Our brain should really consider moving to .tar.bz2; it has similar compression rates, but is significantly faster meaning less sleep.