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Because the death penalty is only used by backwards morons like Iran, Saudi Arabia and the USA.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

Why can't we just execute this piece of shit?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6970761.stm

I take one look at this waste of space and I can tell he's going to do nothing with his pathetic life apart from cause grief to people and indeed animals.

Threaten scum like him with execution and watch the crime figures go down. Prison doesn't scare them.. the laughable community service punishments don't scare them.. ASBOS are collected like swimming certificates.

Yes that turned in to a more general rant against scum like him but this guy in particular has got one of those faces that makes you want to take a baseball bat to it.

Why can't we just execute this piece of shit?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6970761.stm

I take one look at this waste of space and I can tell he's going to do nothing with his pathetic life apart from cause grief to people and indeed animals.

Threaten scum like him with execution and watch the crime figures go down. Prison doesn't scare them.. the laughable community service punishments don't scare them.. ASBOS are collected like swimming certificates.

Yes that turned in to a more general rant against scum like him but this guy in particular has got one of those faces that makes you want to take a baseball bat to it.
It's a damned good thing we have you to sort out who needs killing from who doesn't.

Why can't we just execute this piece of shit?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6970761.stm

I take one look at this waste of space and I can tell he's going to do nothing with his pathetic life apart from cause grief to people and indeed animals.

Threaten scum like him with execution and watch the crime figures go down. Prison doesn't scare them.. the laughable community service punishments don't scare them.. ASBOS are collected like swimming certificates.

Yes that turned in to a more general rant against scum like him but this guy in particular has got one of those faces that makes you want to take a baseball bat to it.

All you need is a Death Note and you're set.

Why can't we just execute this piece of shit?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6970761.stm

I take one look at this waste of space and I can tell he's going to do nothing with his pathetic life apart from cause grief to people and indeed animals.

Threaten scum like him with execution and watch the crime figures go down. Prison doesn't scare them.. the laughable community service punishments don't scare them.. ASBOS are collected like swimming certificates.

Yes that turned in to a more general rant against scum like him but this guy in particular has got one of those faces that makes you want to take a baseball bat to it.

Umm killing people for hate crimes.
Say does that mean that we get to kill any and all Muslims that protest using such slogans as kill the infidel?

The boy clear has all the hallmarks of a socialpath and needs to be looked at very carefuly, but kill him?

*Snip*

So how else do you prevent them from doing it again?
It's not like there aren't plenty of humans that don't behave like this, so why bother keeping the ones who do around?

So how else do you prevent them from doing it again?
It's not like there aren't plenty of humans that don't behave like this, so why bother keeping the ones who do around?

That is madeness. What if for example the people where to decide that being ginger was unexceptable, and a law was passed to kill all gingers.

Would we just kill all gingers, would we give them a chance to dye their hair?

I can just about understand wanting the death penalty for crimes like murder, but for pulling a headscarf off? Sounds like common assault to me so why give the thug publicity?

So how else do you prevent them from doing it again?
It's not like there aren't plenty of humans that don't behave like this, so why bother keeping the ones who do around?

Yeah, I feel the same way about people who double-park and jaywalk. Kill 'em all, I says.

definitely. Considering the enormity of the crimes he's committed, killing's too good for him.

We need to kill him, bring him back to life, kill him again, mince him all up, feed him to some pigs, collect the pigshit, fold it into a soufflé and then, just as it's nearly ready, open and slam the oven door, collapsing the soufflé.

That'll show him.

So how else do you prevent them from doing it again?

He did nothing worse than you do if you're a carnivore and had some sort of animal carcass for dinner. Should we kill you?

It's not like there aren't plenty of humans that don't behave like this, so why bother keeping the ones who do around?

Because I actually have respect for life, and I aim for a better society - not some imbecilic one where the government gets to kill and then claim that killing is wrong. A society where killing is wrong. Full stop.

That is madeness. What if for example the people where to decide that being ginger was unexceptable, and a law was passed to kill all gingers.

Would we just kill all gingers, would we give them a chance to dye their hair?

The fault there is the stupid law, not the punishment for it.

@Copiosa Scotia: It's legal to cross the road almost anywhere here, so your joke breaks.

definitely. Considering the enormity of the crimes he's committed, killing's too good for him.

We need to kill him, bring him back to life, kill him again, mince him all up, feed him to some pigs, collect the pigshit, fold it into a soufflé and then, just as it's nearly ready, open and slam the oven door, collapsing the soufflé.

That'll show him.

I lol'd, DH. You made me lol. Stop that.


I'm all for vigilante justice, if anyone wants to take a crack at him. Saves the government jillions of dollars - sometimes you're wrong, but meh. Life's too serious to give a crap.

The DP has to be used responsibly.

Pulling off a Hijab does not constitute the consideraton of a DP sentence. Assault: yes.

The DP has to be used responsibly.

Pulling off a Hijab does not constitute the consideraton of a DP sentence. Assault: yes.
You do know there's another meaning for 'DP', don't you?

as for the OP article, it was very informative to learn the alligator who ate the rabbit was called Albert. Important bit of information there, crucial to the story.

He did nothing worse than you do if you're a carnivore and had some sort of animal carcass for dinner. Should we kill you?

Fass is MILITANT VEGETARIAN. Try harder. :rolleyes:

Because I actually have respect for life, and I aim for a better society - not some imbecilic one where the government gets to kill and then claim that killing is wrong. A society where killing is wrong. Full stop.

Ah, I never really understood the intrinsic value of life thing. Apparently it's useful to prevent people behaving in certain ways, but that's only why we should assume it's true, not why it actually is.

Besides, you didn't answer the question. How else do you prevent him from doing it again?

Besides, you didn't answer the question. How else do you prevent him from doing it again?

Are you saying we should kill people who pull of peoples head scarfs?

The DP has to be used responsibly.

Pulling off a Hijab does not constitute the consideraton of a DP sentence. Assault: yes.

Agreed. Double-penetration is a far too severe sentence in this case.

Fass is MILITANT VEGETARIAN. Try harder. :rolleyes:

It's true. Carnivores bear the responsibility for thousands and thousands of animal lives all lost for their own hedonist gluttony - it is nothing but retarded hypocrisy to demand that this animal life be avenged, but not all those others.

Ah, I never really understood the intrinsic value of life thing.

I shall stop conversing with you now.

Fass is MILITANT VEGETARIAN. Try harder. :rolleyes:



Ah, I never really understood the intrinsic value of life thing. Apparently it's useful to prevent people behaving in certain ways, but that's only why we should assume it's true, not why it actually is.

Besides, you didn't answer the question. How else do you prevent him from doing it again?

You should remind the thread that when you say "he", you mean in general, in defense of the death penalty, for those who deserve it, how would you stop the person from doing the deed again.

Keeps them from thinking you want to kill someone for pulling off a scarf.

It's true. Carnivores bear the responsibility for thousands and thousands of animal lives all lost for their own hedonist gluttony - it is nothing but retarded hypocrisy to demand that this animal life be avenged, but not all those others.



I shall stop conversing with you now.

Isn't it difficult to suggest we're animals just like the rest of them, yet insinuate that our lives have an intrinsic value to them simply because they exist? Considering other animals kill eachother all the time, I mean.

Why can't we just execute this piece of shit?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6970761.stm

I take one look at this waste of space and I can tell he's going to do nothing with his pathetic life apart from cause grief to people and indeed animals.

Threaten scum like him with execution and watch the crime figures go down. Prison doesn't scare them.. the laughable community service punishments don't scare them.. ASBOS are collected like swimming certificates.

Yes that turned in to a more general rant against scum like him but this guy in particular has got one of those faces that makes you want to take a baseball bat to it.

you want to execute a man for pulling the scarf off of a woman's head?

you want to EXECUTE a man for that?

i think the problem is not with him but with you.

Seems like the general consensus is that the death penalty is extreme.

Duh.

Ok so obviously the guy is a sociopath. He wasn't raised right or he has a form of mental impairment that makes him act like he's on the cast of Jackass.

So what to do? I dunno if he's got a history of this kind of thing then some kind of psych evaluation may be in order along with treatment. It seems to me he's more the victim of a mental illness at worst.

If he's mentally fine just an asshole, then either he'll learn to keep his behavior to within legal limits or he'll eventually commit a larger crime and become a prison statistic. Either way, justice demands that we give him the chance to choose his path.

Are you saying we should kill people who pull of peoples head scarfs?

Might as well; there's not exactly a shortage of people (quite the opposite!), it might do us some good to get rid of the bad ones. It's not like it was an accident, or he couldn't know it wouldn't be well received.

I shall stop conversing with you now.
Excellent.

You should remind the thread that when you say "he", you mean in general, in defense of the death penalty, for those who deserve it, how would you stop the person from doing the deed again.

Keeps them from thinking you want to kill someone for pulling off a scarf.

Ah yes, I meant in general. But it works in all cases, which is more than you can say for other forms of punishment/rehabilitation.
Yeah, there are problems, but aren't there always?

Either way, justice demands that we give him the chance to choose his path.

He already had a chance. He messed it up.

or he has a form of mental impairment

Yep, from the article:

He said he wished to correct any impression that French, who he said had learning difficulties, did not accept what he had done was wrong.

WTF? I assumed you were talking about http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/6970366.stm.

Not the death penalty for pulling off a scarf. Holy shit, that's insane!

Isn't it difficult to suggest we're animals just like the rest of them, yet insinuate that our lives have an intrinsic value to them simply because they exist? Considering other animals kill eachother all the time, I mean.

Yeah. I mean how far does intrinsic value go? If you are willing to think that animals and humans have the same value, what reason is there to not think that, say, chickens and ants have the same value? Is killing an ant as bad as killing a human?

Because the death penalty is only used by backwards morons like Iran, Saudi Arabia and the USA.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

As well as South Korea, Japan and Singapore.

Just because you put it in big letters doesn't make it particularly impactful.

Now, don't get me wrong, I loathe the death penalty and fully support its abolition, but it's not necessarily a sign of being barbaric or backwards.

Might as well; there's not exactly a shortage of people (quite the opposite!), it might do us some good to get rid of the bad ones. It's not like it was an accident, or he couldn't know it wouldn't be well received.


Thats not a justification, however.

He wasn't raised right or he has a form of mental impairment that makes him act like he's on the cast of Jackass.

ohhh...there's an idea: His punishment is joining the cast of Jackass for a series.

WTF? I assumed you were talking about http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/6970366.stm.

Not the death penalty for pulling off a scarf. Holy shit, that's insane!
now there is a guy who forces me to think long and hard about why I'm against the Death Penalty.
It is hard to justify keeping a shit like that alive.

Might as well; there's not exactly a shortage of people (quite the opposite!), it might do us some good to get rid of the bad ones. It's not like it was an accident, or he couldn't know it wouldn't be well received.
considering the amount of hatred being frothed up against Muslims via Daily Mail, Fox, Sun, et al he could well have been labouring under the impression that his scarf-pulling actions would be well-received by a largish majority of the public.
Sad thing is, they prob were.

Because the death penalty is only used by backwards morons like Iran, Saudi Arabia and the USA.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

Sure does cut down on recidivism, doesn't it?

now there is a guy who forces me to think long and hard about why I'm against the Death Penalty.
It is hard to justify keeping a shit like that alive.
It is, but I'm still uncomfortable with the death penalty. Let him rot in jail, and let the other inmates make his life a misery: as far as I know, paedophiles aren't particulary popular there.

You do know there's another meaning for 'DP', don't you?

as for the OP article, it was very informative to learn the alligator who ate the rabbit was called Albert. Important bit of information there, crucial to the story.yep... and both usually means someone gets screwed in the end... I mean really fucked up.

ahh... but was Albert allergic to Rabbits since he only 'savaged' the bunny.

Agreed. Double-penetration is a far too severe sentence in this case. true... and let's not go into multiple DP sentencing...

It is, but I'm still uncomfortable with the death penalty. Let him rot in jail, and let the other inmates make his life a misery: as far as I know, paedophiles aren't particulary popular there.

I, for one, would receive a far greater punishment by being stuck in a jail cell for the rest of my natural life, long boring monotony, isolation, shitty food, shitty booze, lack of privacy. I'd bet after a decade or so death would seem like a nice way to break the monotony.

Not only that, but the mere possibility that we might have made a mistake in convicting someone is enough to convince me that the death penalty is a poorly thought out punishment, and is entirely unjustified.

Now, don't get me wrong, I loathe the death penalty and fully support its abolition, but it's not necessarily a sign of being barbaric or backwards.

If you think that South Korea, Japan and - of all places - fascist Singapore aren't backwards, then you must be from one of the places I mentioned earlier...

I, for one, would receive a far greater punishment by being stuck in a jail cell for the rest of my natural life, long boring monotony, isolation, shitty food, shitty booze, lack of privacy. I'd bet after a decade or so death would seem like a nice way to break the monotony.

Not only that, but the mere possibility that we might have made a mistake in convicting someone is enough to convince me that the death penalty is a poorly thought out punishment, and is entirely unjustified.
Couldn't put it better myself.

If you think that South Korea, Japan and - of all places - fascist Singapore aren't backwards, then you must be from one of the places I mentioned earlier...

Define backwards.

If you think that South Korea, Japan and - of all places - fascist Singapore aren't backwards, then you must be from one of the places I mentioned earlier...
On a side note, I like Singaporean democracy: one party in power for 60 years and the opposition is 'allowed' two seats in Parliament.

I, for one, would receive a far greater punishment by being stuck in a jail cell for the rest of my natural life, long boring monotony, isolation, shitty food, shitty booze, lack of privacy. I'd bet after a decade or so death would seem like a nice way to break the monotony.

That's another reason I support the death penalty, actually. Death would be quick and then over (unless you faff around for years like they do in the USA...), and I have no real problem with death or dying.
But keeping somebody locked up and bored for the rest of their life is just cruel, and I wouldn't want it done to me.

If you think that South Korea, Japan and - of all places - fascist Singapore aren't backwards, then you must be from one of the places I mentioned earlier...

Ah, then it's your subjective moral judgment alone that permits you to detail a place as backwards or otherwise. Quite wonderful, quite wonderful. A self proclaimed authority on societal advancement.

Oh, wait, I'm sorry, I meant moralizing douchebag.

Define backwards.

Entirely based on Fass's own opinion and biases, not really all that rational.

Of course, he considers most people backwards because we eat meat, just like our forbears have done for thousands of generations.

Ah, then it's your subjective moral judgment alone that permits you to detail a place as backwards or otherwise. Quite wonderful, quite wonderful. A self proclaimed authority on societal advancement.

I am much better suited for it than most.

Oh, wait, I'm sorry, I meant moralizing douchebag.

I am much better suited for it than most.

Of course, he considers most people backwards because we eat meat, just like our forbears have done for thousands of generations.

It's quite telling that you put forth as idols cave dwellers, and that in your feeble attempt to somehow not seem backwards actually strive backwards...

I am much better suited for it than most.



I am much better suited for it than most.

I dare say you are a mean spirited, self righteous, judgmental egotist, hardly are you well suited for making deciding things about other peoples lives.

Of course, he considers most people backwards because we eat meat, just like our forbears have done for thousands of generations.
Our forebears also had slaves for thousands of generations.
Doesn't make it right, though.

I dare say you are a mean spirited, self righteous, judgmental egotist, hardly are you well suited for making deciding things about other peoples lives.

Yes, I am better than you. Thank you.

To me, personally, the death pentalty is just the easy way out for society's shitbag assholes. Throw them in a cell in some dark hole in the earth, no light, no connection to the outside world. Feed them a slice of bread and a small piece of meat, and a glass of water everday. They'll die soon enough.

EDIT:

Oh and Fass, guess what I had for lunch. If you guessed 'BBQ chicken, mashed potatoes and corn' you would be correct and you would would win a cookie (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Choco_chip_cookie.jpg).

It's quite telling that you put forth as idols cave dwellers, and that in your feeble attempt to somehow not seem backwards actually strive backwards...

It's part of our biology and part of our culture, both important things to the formation of human beings and our individual psyches. Only a fool would disregard the importance of such important factors in society and in our lives.

I dare say you are a mean spirited, self righteous, judgmental egotist, hardly are you well suited for making deciding things about other peoples lives.
come now, let's have no more of this.
Fass is an egoist, not an egotist.
Get it right!

It's part of our biology and part of our culture, both important things to the formation of human beings and our individual psyches.

You keep telling yourself that. Who knows, you might be able to fool yourself into thinking it's true. Actually, you probably already do...

Only a fool would disregard the importance of such important factors in society and in our lives.

... that's the spirit! Buy your own dung. I'll pass, though.

Yes, I am better than you. Thank you.

That you are certainly not. Only those weak in character and spirit would dare proclaim their own glories. Your attitude is not much more than a scared twelve year old, terrified of his own feelings, confused by his sexuality, and because of that, trying to define himself by what he dislikes and the most extreme elements of himself.

It's part of our biology and part of our culture, both important things to the formation of human beings and our individual psyches. Only a fool would disregard the importance of such important factors in society and in our lives.
Again, one could argue that keeping slaves was part of our culture and important to the formation of our societies.
Still doesn't make it right to continue the trade.

... that's the spirit! Buy your own sensibility. I'll pass, though.

Then you are a fool.

Feel free to pass on then, I shall as well. Enjoy your evening.

Oh, I corrected your little bit of 'cleverness'.

Oh and Fass, guess what I had for lunch. If you guessed 'BBQ chicken, mashed potatoes and corn' you would be correct and you would would win a cookie (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Choco_chip_cookie.jpg).

And I should give a fuck about your immoral and clearly unhealthy dietary choices because...?

That you are certainly not. Only those weak in character and spirit would dare proclaim their own glories. Your attitude is not much more than a scared twelve year old, terrified of his own feelings, confused by his sexuality, and because of that, trying to define himself by what he dislikes and the most extreme elements of himself.

Aww, look - over-compensating your own inferiority. It's OK - lash out is what your ilk does when it has no better defence.

And I should give a fuck about your immoral and clearly unhealthy dietary choices because...?

Well, you are obviously a vegan bitch and I wanted to wave my meat eating 'immorality's' in your face. But I do have just one question. Why is it that you think eating other animals such as chicken or pork is bad? I don't hear you saying "OMG that fox just ate rabbit. That bastard! That immoral unhealthy bastard!". Sure humans are more intelligent than the common fox, but we have the same basic needs. Food! Fatty, delicious food. It is what keeps us alive.

Again, one could argue that keeping slaves was part of our culture and important to the formation of our societies.
Still doesn't make it right to continue the trade.

We cannot move forward without knowing and understanding where we came from, and realizing that some things from the past are egregious injustices, while many others are perfectly fine and acceptable. The continuous quest for the fulfillment of the human person is our ultimate goal, and those things that hinder fulfillment ought to be done away with, those that don't, though, are of no consequence.

Aww, look - over-compensating your own inferiority. It's OK - lash out is what your ilk does when it has no better defence.

If we're talking about those who require lashing out to vindicate themselves, you need look no further than a mirror.

Well, you are obviously a vegan bitch and I wanted to wave my meat eating 'immorality's' in your face. But I do have just one question. Why is it that you think eating other animals such as chicken or pork is bad? I don't hear you saying "OMG that fox just ate rabbit. That bastard! That immoral unhealthy bastard!". Sure humans are more intelligent than the common fox, but we have the same basic needs. Food! Fatty, delicious food. It is what keeps us alive.



Amen to that

You all have a pleasant day, I actually have some productive tasks that need taken care of, rather than merely trying to make myself feel better by anonymously lashing out at random strangers on the internet.

Well, you are obviously a vegan bitch and I wanted to wave my meat eating 'immorality's' in your face.

And you think such stupid behaviour would rile me? Oh, honey - I'm sorry to tell you, but you are not that significant, and wallowing in it doesn't make you any more so.

But I do have just one question. Why is it that you think eating other animals such as chicken or pork is bad?

It is unnecessary and thus cruel, not to mention that it is unhealthy and environmentally indefensible. Those are just some of the reasons. The primary reason is of course that I wouldn't want to get eaten. Well, unless it's my ass...

Sure humans are more intelligent than the common fox,

They're supposed to be, but alas...

We cannot move forward without knowing and understanding where we came from, and realizing that some things from the past are egregious injustices, while many others are perfectly fine and acceptable. The continuous quest for the fulfillment of the human person is our ultimate goal, and those things that hinder fulfillment ought to be done away with, those that don't, though, are of no consequence.
very good answer.
However, as eating meat is not a necessary requirement to fulfillment of what it means to be a person (biologically, spiritually or otherwise), then just because it's been done for thousands of generations is not really a good argument for continuing to do so.
Similarly, being vegetarian can hardly be considered a hinder to fulfillment. Indeed in some cultures it's seen as part of the process towards fulfillment.


and before you ask, I eat and enjoy meat. Partly the taste, partly the laziness of having to change my diet to compensate for the drop in protein. Though I don't eat it every day - red meat once a week, fish twice, sometime thrice.

If we're talking about those who require lashing out to vindicate themselves, you need look no further than a mirror.

None of my positions need vindication or defence. Recall, I am better than you.

For incorrigable offenders such as the man cited, I would support capital punishment. It is socially responsible, given that he is unlikely to ever repay the faith, and expenditure, society will be obliged to afford him through recurrent stints in prison and on the dole.

If you've just joined us, to summarise:
Andaluciae and Fassigen are having a, "I'm rubber and you're glue" debate.

That's pretty much it.

Oh, and the alligator's name was Albert. No word yet as to what the bunny was called. As soon as we find out we'll let you know.

Now here's Tom with the weather.

None of my positions need vindication or defence. Recall, I am better than you.

Much as I think your views tend to be so much shite, I can't deny I like the utter confidence you have.:)

-snip-

Do you think killing ants is 'immoral'?

Veganism is a product of a pampered and decadent society and unfortunately that is what the West is. Try telling developing countries what they should and shouldn't eat and they'll have no truck with your nonsense.

The fault there is the stupid law, not the punishment for it.

@Copiosa Scotia: It's legal to cross the road almost anywhere here, so your joke breaks.

You foreigners and your permissive culture. No wonder you have people like this guy running around. In a country where you can cross the road anywhere, what's left to prevent the total collapse of civilization?

I have a solution:

Force him to join the Marines or army. that would teach him a lesson

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

Not everyone in the U.S...only some states. So far as I know there is no federal death penalty.

And believe me, those of us who know the death penalty does nothing are doing our best to eliminate it.

Oh, and the alligator's name was Albert. No word yet as to what the bunny was called. As soon as we find out we'll let you know.


my guess is either Gator Chow, or Haussenfeffer... tho I think a renaming to Gator Shit is possible.

Not everyone in the U.S...only some states. So far as I know there is no federal death penalty.

There most certainly is a Federal death penalty. If it weren't for Uncle Sam there wouldn't have been a single government execution in Michigan since 1836. Even the one man that the Fed killed in 1938 is one too many.

considering the amount of hatred being frothed up against Muslims via Daily Mail, Fox, Sun, et al he could well have been labouring under the impression that his scarf-pulling actions would be well-received by a largish majority of the public.
Sad thing is, they prob were.

If he went further and strangled the woman with the scarf, he'd have gotten a standing ovation. And let's face it, quite a few serial killers in history have been noted for starting off small with acts of animal cruelty.

In this climate I'm also surprised someone hasn't come out with a version of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion targeting Muslims. It'd be a global best-seller.

It's true. Carnivores bear the responsibility for thousands and thousands of animal lives all lost for their own hedonist gluttony - it is nothing but retarded hypocrisy to demand that this animal life be avenged, but not all those others.

Rule of law amongst species. In wolf packs, if a young pup tries getting uppity with the Alpha's mate, it gets the boot or worse. There are similar cases among monkey tribes.

Human law just happens to be down on paper.

The reason the death penalty is a bad idea is because the number of people who are put to death who didn't actually commit the crime that they were accused of. Look up the statistics, it’s much higher than you might otherwise imagine!

In addition, for which crimes are we to give the death penalty? Is a person who kills out of provocation in the heat of the moment to be treated the same as one who kills a stranger in cold blood? Are paedophiles and rapists to be given the same treatment? Where do we draw the line?

Furthermore, who is to say that some people aren’t capable of reform? If we are to take that route, how do we decide who is capable of reform and who isn’t? It seems to me that the death penalty is merely a form of retribution, and thus a form of action that is almost always best avoided; as Confucius said, “Before embarking on the road of revenge, first dig two graves”.

Good question.