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NSG Truths

Kryozerkia
30-08-2007, 14:03
There are some indisputable truths about NSG...

- Any general political thread will result in a mudslinging fest with references to the Dems and GOP, with some comment about how Bush is the ebil reincarnation of Hitler.

- Threads about homosexuality, even if asking if one is straight or not, or ever had such feelings will result in two things, Christian bashing and Fass going on a tirade.

- Abortion threads will usually have a general consensus, with only a couple of dissenting opinions coming from Christians who will be subsequently hit over the head with nerf bats.

- It doesn't matter if it's been posted, if something big has happened in the news, there will be at least 3 threads on it.

- The intelligent threads get fewer posts while those started by trolls attract posters like moths to a flame.

- Humour threads will invariably fail because some thin-skinned newcomer will not recognise sarcasm and go over to Moderation sobbing about how they were offended.

- Religion threads, no matter what it starts out on, will somehow end up insulting or saying something bad about Christians.

- One can count on RO to post something about how Muslims are overreacting, and his threads will breakdown before it even reaches page 2. If it doesn't, we consider it a good day.

- All the threads about Aboriginal issues are always started by Neesika.

Anyone else care to add their own observations?

This is not meant to offend. :) This is for fun.
Corneliu
30-08-2007, 14:07
On threads about Israel, you can count on a few people to make anti-semetic comments.
Peepelonia
30-08-2007, 14:11
I will always interject comments that are not on topic, and accuse people of pedantasism, whilst being the worlds biggest pedant!
Cabra West
30-08-2007, 14:12
Every single thread about American politics, society and culture will make the European posters feel smug.
Smunkeeville
30-08-2007, 14:35
Any thread about American politics/happenings is an open door for "this is why I am glad I don't live there" comments, however if an American says the same thing, we are xenophobic.
Peepelonia
30-08-2007, 14:36
Every single thread about American politics, society and culture will make the European posters feel smug.

Heh I'm feeling smug already!
Khadgar
30-08-2007, 14:37
Any thread that in any way shape or form even comes near to mentioning sexuality will have Fass sniping and spoiling for a fight. I swear that boy is wound way too tight.
Cabra West
30-08-2007, 14:39
I didn't mean to open a can of worms there, I was just trying to make a witty observation.

I'm hopeless with wit. I should leave it to LG.
Smunkeeville
30-08-2007, 14:40
:D it's okay Cabra, it's one of the givens.
Compulsive Depression
30-08-2007, 14:41
I will always interject comments that are not on topic, and accuse people of pedantasism, whilst being the worlds biggest pedant!

You mean "pedantry".


Any thread about American politics/happenings is an open door for "this is why I am glad I don't live there" comments, however if an American says the same thing, we are xenophobic.

Not at all! We're glad the Americans aren't here too :D

Joke! ¬_¬
Whereyouthinkyougoing
30-08-2007, 14:49
Every single thread about American politics, society and culture will make the European posters feel smug.
And rightfully so. :D
Cabra West
30-08-2007, 14:50
There'll always be a n00b who considers "What would you do if your parents had aborted you???" a clever retort in an abortion thread.
Kryozerkia
30-08-2007, 14:56
There'll always be a n00b who considers "What would you do if your parents had aborted you???" a clever retort in an abortion thread.

"Well if they had, I wouldn't have to listen to your stupidity!" Damnit, why do I always think of the best answers when I don't have the source to retort to? :)
The Infinite Dunes
30-08-2007, 15:01
Hehe, these are all quite funny.

Here's my contribution

All American trolls and idiots will defend themselves by saying that their way of thinking is right and yours is wrong.

All European trolls and idiots will defend themselves by saying your interpretation of what they are saying is wrong, without actually saying what they really mean.
Seathornia
30-08-2007, 15:07
"Well if they had, I wouldn't have to listen to your stupidity!" Damnit, why do I always think of the best answers when I don't have the source to retort to? :)

Wrap it up, stick it in the freezer and don't forget to thaw before cooking your next noob ;)
Deus Malum
30-08-2007, 15:43
In any thread on the Creation/Evolution debate, at least 40% of all posts will be in regard to a misunderstanding of the Theory of Evolution, making references to either A) Entropy, B) Life coming from nowhere, C) Humans coming from Monkeys, or D) A random animal forming into another random animal through "some process of evolution."

I swear to fucking god, people, educate yourselves before you try debating here.
Bodies Without Organs
30-08-2007, 15:54
In any thread on the Creation/Evolution debate, at least 40% of all posts will be in regard to a misunderstanding of the Theory of Evolution, making references to either A) Entropy, B) Life coming from nowhere, C) Humans coming from Monkeys, or D) A random animal forming into another random animal through "some process of evolution."

I swear to fucking god, people, educate yourselves before you try debating here.

To be fair though, the cry of 'common simian ancestor' does always go up shortly thereafter.
Deus Malum
30-08-2007, 15:55
To be fair though, the cry of 'common simian ancestor' does always go up shortly thereafter.

That's not the point, as the cry of "That's not how entropy works" usually comes up as well. The point is that people either never learn, or make a 1 post account so they can spew their bile and then scurry off unharmed to their little hellhole.
Ardchoille
30-08-2007, 17:36
At least once a week, at least one mod will post a reply to a General poster that will include the comment *sigh*.

;)
Trotskylvania
30-08-2007, 20:46
The massive Ivory Tower ideological arguments between massively opposed belief systems, while fun and interesting, are probably a waste of the time of all involved.
Anti-Social Darwinism
30-08-2007, 20:57
In any thread about religion, 90% of the responders will demonstrate a complete ignorance about agnosticism and either refer to us as undecided wimps or lump us in with atheists.
Lunatic Goofballs
30-08-2007, 21:08
I didn't mean to open a can of worms there, I was just trying to make a witty observation.

I'm hopeless with wit. I should leave it to LG.

Don't take it too hard. I've had more than a few of my fun threads hijacked by debaters too. It happens from time to time. :p
IL Ruffino
30-08-2007, 21:12
There's always someone to disagree with.

/boring
Lunatic Goofballs
30-08-2007, 21:23
There's always someone to disagree with.

/boring

I disagree.
Trotskylvania
30-08-2007, 21:24
I disagree.

Thesis: There is always someone to disagree with.

Antithesis: I disagree

Synthesis: ???
Anti-Social Darwinism
30-08-2007, 21:26
Thesis: There is always someone to disagree with.

Antithesis: I disagree

Synthesis: ???

Synthesis - there is always circular reasoning - one of the major, unassailable weapons used on nsg.
Trotskylvania
30-08-2007, 21:28
Synthesis - there is always circular reasoning - one of the major, unassailable weapons used on nsg.

Dialectics FTW!
Soviestan
30-08-2007, 21:30
My thread topics are always awesome.(well, maybe not always but most the time.)
Corneliu
30-08-2007, 21:33
My thread topics are always awesome.(well, maybe not always but most the time.)

Or infuriating as you post extremism which is the bane of any religion (another NS truth)
Ifreann
30-08-2007, 21:34
Synthesis - there is always circular reasoning - one of the major, unassailable weapons used on nsg.

http://komplexify.com/math/images/CircularReasoning.gif
Kryozerkia
30-08-2007, 22:17
My thread topics are always awesome.(well, maybe not always but most the time.)

Rampant egotism. :)
Johnny B Goode
30-08-2007, 22:33
Every major thread is angry.
Londim
30-08-2007, 22:36
If NSG was person then NSG would be in a mental institute.
Bolol
30-08-2007, 22:45
There are some indisputable truths about NSG...

- Any general political thread will result in a mudslinging fest with references to the Dems and GOP, with some comment about how Bush is the ebil reincarnation of Hitler.

- Threads about homosexuality, even if asking if one is straight or not, or ever had such feelings will result in two things, Christian bashing and Fass going on a tirade.

- Abortion threads will usually have a general consensus, with only a couple of dissenting opinions coming from Christians who will be subsequently hit over the head with nerf bats.

- It doesn't matter if it's been posted, if something big has happened in the news, there will be at least 3 threads on it.

- The intelligent threads get fewer posts while those started by trolls attract posters like moths to a flame.

- Humour threads will invariably fail because some thin-skinned newcomer will not recognise sarcasm and go over to Moderation sobbing about how they were offended.

- Religion threads, no matter what it starts out on, will somehow end up insulting or saying something bad about Christians.

- One can count on RO to post something about how Muslims are overreacting, and his threads will breakdown before it even reaches page 2. If it doesn't, we consider it a good day.

- All the threads about Aboriginal issues are always started by Neesika.

Anyone else care to add their own observations?

This is not meant to offend. :) This is for fun.

I'd like to link to this post in my signature, as part of my growing collection of "tips". With your permission only, of course.
Andaras Prime
30-08-2007, 22:49
NSG is a very angry place, it's good for letting off steam though.
Iniika
30-08-2007, 23:00
Despite knowing from experience that there is no reasoning with him, every single one of FAGs posts will have at least 5 pages of outraged posters determined to change his point of view interlaced with another three pages of posters uselessly labelling him a troll.

Despite the obvious presence of moderators, this is the least moderaterated forum I have ever been on. Shocking at first having just migrated from a forum so vanilla one would think it was owned run and frequented by the 80+ knitting society, but I've grown to enjoy the angry, opinionated vulagarisms thrown like so much flaming dog poop :D
Kryozerkia
30-08-2007, 23:02
I'd like to link to this post in my signature, as part of my growing collection of "tips". With your permission only, of course.

:) by all means, go right ahead my friend.
The Infinite Dunes
30-08-2007, 23:03
At least once a week, at least one mod will post a reply to a General poster that will include the comment *sigh*.

;)So is that your quota for the week?
Xiscapia
30-08-2007, 23:07
You mean "pedantry".




Not at all! We're glad the Americans aren't here too :D
Joke! ¬_¬

Don't blame you at all.
Epic Fusion
30-08-2007, 23:13
1. Rarely does a day come on NSG, where someone actually thinks they might be wrong. (doesn't include question threads)

2. Debates happen about once a month, the rest are normally:-

"this is my opinion"

"your wrong because this is my opinion"

"no your wrong because this is an extension of my opinion"

"no your wrong because of my original opinion, explained slightly more"

"doesn't reply, says other is too stupid to argue with one way or another, or continues the general theme"

3. Rarely does anyone ever try to talk to trolls/racists/sexists etc as equals.

4. Grammar irrationalists, i.e people who think english has official rules (or should), will post in any serious threads, delaying the debate. Fair enough, most forums have these.

5. So many people think their opinion is best and undeniable via logic.

6. People don't realise logic IS circular, you can't deny logic because it's illogical (logically anyway:headbang:).
Ardchoille
30-08-2007, 23:21
So is that your quota for the week?


*sigh*

I have a very good union. We've negotiated unlimited *sigh*s in exchange for increased production levels on the DAMMIT! floor, and we've got a solid undertaking for longer ban-the-bastard periods if we win that overseas contract.

Plus, we've already put in an ambit claim for insta-DEATs when up-yours smiley usage exceeds previous levels.
Smunkeeville
30-08-2007, 23:23
6. People don't realise logic IS circular, you can't deny logic because it's illogical (logically anyway:headbang:).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl9ldtRFigw

:D:D:D:D

for you.
New Stalinberg
31-08-2007, 01:11
I didn't even know people would bitch about what happened in the moderation thread until a week ago.

Seriously, grow the hell up.
RomeW
31-08-2007, 01:24
I'd have to agree with almost everything said and I have few others to state myself:

1. FOX News will make a regular appearance on this forum, followed by the almost obligatory responses, "what in the world are they talking about?"

2. Someone, somewhere will misquote or misconstrue what a source or another poster has said.

3. No matter how hard you try, there will always be at least one debate (typically the hot-button topics) that end in frustration because the debates just go in circles.

In any thread on the Creation/Evolution debate, at least 40% of all posts will be in regard to a misunderstanding of the Theory of Evolution, making references to either A) Entropy, B) Life coming from nowhere, C) Humans coming from Monkeys, or D) A random animal forming into another random animal through "some process of evolution."

I swear to fucking god, people, educate yourselves before you try debating here.

So was Bruarong a trail-blazer when he suggested that all our data only reads that way "because we wanted it to?" That had to take the cake in terms of the most absurd response I've ever seen in a Creation/Evolution debate.

Despite the obvious presence of moderators, this is the least moderaterated forum I have ever been on. Shocking at first having just migrated from a forum so vanilla one would think it was owned run and frequented by the 80+ knitting society, but I've grown to enjoy the angry, opinionated vulagarisms thrown like so much flaming dog poop :D

If you think this forum is the least moderated forum ever, you've never been to the MuchMusic forums. Now, I haven't been back in over two years but when I was there, the moderators only appeared once every few months to do their job (and only for a few days, if that) meaning you could get away with just about anything- flaming, trolling, impersonating- provided you didn't do it when the moderators were around (as what happened to one user who said something extremely vulgar during a "moderator session" and got banned for it despite the fact a lot of other users got away with precisely the same thing). Maybe a lot of things do go unregulated but the moderators are at least consistent and the atmosphere here is respectful- and that's the least I would expect.
Rejistania
31-08-2007, 01:50
Hmm, some observations by me:

If vista is mentioned, I will be in the thread, UpwardsThrust will be in the thread and Posi will be in the thread, probably Smunkeeville as well, all on slightly different viewpoints and all knowing we cannot convince the others, but all of us knowing that Vista is something to run away from.

If Linux is mentioned the same crew will appear as well as some others and ultimately it'll end in a discussion about distros.

Ask a serious question - get 10 views and 2 replies. Post odd news and it'll be ten times more. Troll and you will either be remembered or deleted - or both.

Gabbly-users do not realize how much superior IRC is.

IRC-users do not realize how much superior Gabbly is (IMHO bcause it isn't).

Any thread concerning abortion, creationism, religious issues or atheism should only be entered at ones own risk.

No idea is so insane that no one believes in it sincerely.

The Bielefeld-conspiracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy) has no English or American equivalent.
Posi
31-08-2007, 03:05
Hmm, some observations by me:

If vista is mentioned, I will be in the thread, UpwardsThrust will be in the thread and Posi will be in the thread, probably Smunkeeville as well, all on slightly different viewpoints and all knowing we cannot convince the others, but all of us knowing that Vista is something to run away from.

If Linux is mentioned the same crew will appear as well as some others and ultimately it'll end in a discussion about distros.

Ask a serious question - get 10 views and 2 replies. Post odd news and it'll be ten times more. Troll and you will either be remembered or deleted - or both.

Gabbly-users do not realize how much superior IRC is.

IRC-users do not realize how much superior Gabbly is (IMHO bcause it isn't).

Any thread concerning abortion, creationism, religious issues or atheism should only be entered at ones own risk.

No idea is so insane that no one believes in it sincerely.

The Bielefeld-conspiracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy) has no English or American equivalent.Me and UpwardThrust generally come out in favour of Vista. We both use it.
Katganistan
31-08-2007, 03:36
At least once a week, at least one mod will post a reply to a General poster that will include the comment *sigh*.

;)

*sigh*
Rejistania
31-08-2007, 03:42
Me and UpwardThrust generally come out in favour of Vista. We both use it.
AFAIK UT uses it but does not like it.

Another truth: The more obscure the region of the world, the more likely that Ariddia has already started a thread about something happening there.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
31-08-2007, 05:05
An Observation:

Radical atheists are smugly annoying little shits, but they are also very dull.
*gazes briefly at the 32 page Atheism thread before noticing a slightly more interesting mote of dust resting on the edge of his desk*

A Guideline:

When you encounter a new thread: read twice, post once, in that order, and then never reopen the thread again. You'll simultaneously reduce the risk of making yourself look like an ass, save time better spent on other things, and avoid long, pointless Intarwebs arguments.
Cannot think of a name
31-08-2007, 05:29
There are some indisputable truths about NSG...

- Any general political thread will result in a mudslinging fest with references to the Dems and GOP, with some comment about how Bush is the ebil reincarnation of Hitler.


It will be about half as often as Democrats will be called "Communists" or "Socialists" (which will always be confused as the same thing) or suggested that they want to surrender to someone.
Jenrak
31-08-2007, 05:49
Drunk Commies will return. Though as what, we don't know.
Dalmatia Cisalpina
31-08-2007, 06:08
Hang out (or lurk) here long enough, and you will discover that most people on here are compassionate. Though their compassion may be thinly veiled with sarcasm. :D
Wilgrove
31-08-2007, 06:09
Threads will go off topic in 3 pages or more.

People will always use ** (action) in every thread

All political thread will end up being a mud slinging match between Democrats and Republican with the Libertarians on the side line waiting for one to fall.

Despite the fact that you have a better chance of winning the Lottery than to change anyone's opinion on a subject, doesn't mean people won't try!

Half of the source used in debates are poorly researched and are ripped to shreds in about five post.

Blogs are source apparently.

LG will always make me spit whatever I was drinking onto my computer screen with his post.
Corneliu
31-08-2007, 06:13
Expect threads by OD to begin with ## followed by some short of misleading headline.
Deus Malum
31-08-2007, 06:19
Threads will go off topic in 3 pages or more.

People will always use ** (action) in every thread

All political thread will end up being a mud slinging match between Democrats and Republican with the Libertarians on the side line waiting for one to fall.

Despite the fact that you have a better chance of winning the Lottery than to change anyone's opinion on a subject, doesn't mean people won't try!

Half of the source used in debates are poorly researched and are ripped to shreds in about five post.

Blogs are source apparently.

LG will always make me spit whatever I was drinking onto my computer screen with his post.

I've learned not to drink anything while reading NSG.
Andaras Prime
31-08-2007, 06:24
Drunk Commies will return. Though as what, we don't know.
A lvl 12 Troll Warlord with imo and bash I am thinking.
Jenrak
31-08-2007, 06:59
Hang out (or lurk) here long enough, and you will discover that most people on here are compassionate. Though their compassion may be thinly veiled with sarcasm. :D

Do not misunderstand; there exists no compassion in this rotten corpse-filled hell that is NS General.

A lvl 12 Troll Warlord with imo and bash I am thinking.

A likely comeback.
Anti-Social Darwinism
31-08-2007, 07:08
If a statement can be misinterpreted, someone will misinterpret it.

All statements can be misinterpreted.
Jenrak
31-08-2007, 07:08
If a statement can be misinterpreted, someone will misinterpret it.

All statements can be misinterpreted.

I will misinterpret that as sarcasm, and thus that second statement false.
Troglobites
31-08-2007, 07:20
My post will more than likely fly under the radar.
Jenrak
31-08-2007, 07:23
My post will more than likely fly under the radar.

Lies. My post disproves it.
Troglobites
31-08-2007, 07:27
Lies. My post disproves it.

Even more lies! I said LIKELY not will.

Thanks for replying anyways.
Free Soviets
31-08-2007, 07:49
All political thread will end up being a mud slinging match between Democrats and Republican with the Libertarians on the side line waiting for one to fall.

nah, the liberts fight the anarchos
PedroTheDonkey
31-08-2007, 08:41
linky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=389732&highlight=rules)
NERVUN
31-08-2007, 10:09
Something I posted two years ago in a similar vein that, sadly, does indeed still hold true.

Here in the NationStates General forum, we have debated just about anything and everything. Politics, however, are a specialty. Now, I know I am not an old timer on the form, and don’t have a high post count, but I have noticed a few things in the debates here that might confuse a new comer to this everlasting argument. So, without further ado, I present this glossary of terms to help those who might be confused.

Center or Centrist: Your own political position, regardless of where you are outside NationStates. This position is, of course, the voice of sweet reason and compromise.

Leftist or Liberal: Any position to the left of you.

Rightist or Conservative: Any position to the right of you.

Leftist Liberal Pinko Commie Elitist: Any position to the left of you that you disagree with.

Rightist Neo-con Cave-dwelling Fascist and/or Racist: Any position to the right of you that you disagree with.

Religious Loon: Anyone who happens to remotely mention a religious position, or reason for, assuming you are not religious in your Centrist position.

Amoral/Immoral Atheistic Sinner: Anyone who happens to remotely question the validly of the Bible (or holy book of choice), assuming you are religious in your Centrist position.

Valid Source: Anything written and posted (usually on the Internet) that agrees with and backs up your position, regardless of author or source.

Biased Source: Anything written or posted (usually on the Internet) that disagrees with your position, regardless of author or source.

Flaming: Anytime someone says something disagreeable to your Centrist views.

A Well Written/Conceived Mild and Reasonable Rebuttal: Your response to any posting on NationStates General Forum which you disagreed with.

Mod Brutality/Bias: Mod action against your Well Written/Conceived Mild and Reasonable Rebuttal.

Good Mod Judgment: Mod action against a Flame directed at you or your Centrist position.

American Bashers: Anyone who does not worship the United States of America and support 100% her actions or questions said actions, especially in regards to the War on Terror and President George W Bush, dependant upon your Centrist position.

Military Nut Cases: Anyone who worships the United States of America and supports her actions 100%, without questions, especially in regards to the War on Terror and President George W Bush, dependant upon your Centrist position.

French/France: The butt of all jokes and/or attacks if you’re a Military Nut Case, an automatic label for American Bashers.

Americans/America: The butt of all jokes and/or attacks if you’re an American Basher, or French.

Evolution/Abortion/Gun Control/Iraq/President Bush/Gay Marriage: Topics guaranteed to bring out the Leftist Liberal Pinko Commie Elitist or Rightist Neo-con Cave-dwelling Fascist and/or Racist in droves to Flame your Well Written/Conceived Mild and Reasonable Centrist position.

Newbie: Anyone who assumes that reasonable arguments will be listened to on NationStates General Forum.

Old Timers: Those who know better.

This is, of course, a partial list based upon my own neutral (i.e. Centrist) views of NationStates General Forum. I ask that ye olde old timers and newbies add to the list for educational purposes.
Maineiacs
31-08-2007, 11:52
Also these:

Threads on religion or politics are the most likely to draw a newbie who will leave a post containing no less than four gun smilies.

Maineiacs will post something of one or two lines in any topic that interests him, regardless of whether it adds anything to the debate, then get bored with the topic and wander off somewhere else.
Peepelonia
31-08-2007, 13:29
You mean "pedantry".



Hah PEDANT!:D
Peepelonia
31-08-2007, 13:30
In any thread on the Creation/Evolution debate, at least 40% of all posts will be in regard to a misunderstanding of the Theory of Evolution, making references to either A) Entropy, B) Life coming from nowhere, C) Humans coming from Monkeys, or D) A random animal forming into another random animal through "some process of evolution."

I swear to fucking god, people, educate yourselves before you try debating here.

Heh and which fuckin' God would that be? Ohh or did you mean the God of fuckin'?
Peepelonia
31-08-2007, 13:32
The massive Ivory Tower ideological arguments between massively opposed belief systems, while fun and interesting, are probably a waste of the time of all involved.

Ohhh I don't know, fun is not a waste of my time.
Peepelonia
31-08-2007, 13:33
Dialectics FTW!

Fuck The What?;)
Occeandrive3
31-08-2007, 13:35
Something I posted two years ago in a similar vein that, sadly, does indeed still hold true.nicely done..

do you still have/remember the link.. It may good for a sig ;)
Peepelonia
31-08-2007, 13:39
I've learned not to drink anything while reading NSG.

I work in IT so I drink coffee, it's okay though I am very practiced and hardly spit it out anymore!
Australiasiaville
31-08-2007, 13:58
There'll always be a n00b who considers "What would you do if your parents had aborted you???" a clever retort in an abortion thread.

With a gun-smiley, of course.

Thesis: There is always someone to disagree with.

Antithesis: I disagree

Synthesis: ???

Phase three: profit.

4. Grammar irrationalists, i.e people who think english has official rules (or should), will post in any serious threads, delaying the debate. Fair enough, most forums have these.

Politics and the English Language by George Orwell (http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit)
Kryozerkia
31-08-2007, 14:06
linky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=389732&highlight=rules)

No one cares. ;) That's from 2005.

Next truth: even if a thread already exist, it will inevitably get recreated with a new twist.
Epic Fusion
31-08-2007, 14:16
Politics and the English Language by George Orwell (http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit)

Ergh. I had to force myself to read it after is said "english language is in a decline", an entirely subjective (in every sense) and unsupported premise.

I think it's quite the opposite, regular conversations are like poetry now, and vocab has quadrupled or some such. My year studying english taught me there are no rules to it, and anyone who tried to control it, failed. So I stopped studying it:D

Meaningless words annoyed me too, what word isn't meaningless in the sense he uses? Words aren't meaning, they merely point to meaning. Symbolic you could say.

Ugliness of paragraphs wasn't even about grammar! He seems to just hate the way some people write. He should travel the world and see how english is used in different cultures. Nevermind looking back at how english used to be!
Australiasiaville
31-08-2007, 14:40
Ergh. I had to force myself to read it after is said "english language is in a decline", an entirely subjective (in every sense) and unsupported premise.

It isn't unsupported- he lists numerous examples of what is wrong with the language such as cliches, metaphors etc. Subjective? Well, yes. But I think the majority of sensible people would accept his observations.

I think it's quite the opposite, regular conversations are like poetry now, and vocab has quadrupled or some such. My year studying english taught me there are no rules to it, and anyone who tried to control it, failed. So I stopped studying it:D

No rules? Not sure what you mean there, but I agree we shouldn't try to rigidly control grammar and spelling as these will naturally evolve with time. And I love that English takes words and styles from other languages. But I don't see why we should drop our standards so easily and so often, because, as Ludwig Wittgenstein once said: "The limits of my language mean the limits of my world". We can only express ourselves as well as our language allows us to.

Meaningless words annoyed me too, what word isn't meaningless in the sense he uses? Words aren't meaning, they merely point to meaning. Symbolic you could say.

lol, I actually kinda agree with you here. I've had a couple of arguments on NSG trying to convince people that meaning is derived from the meaning the speaker gives it. For example, "hentai" in Japanese means "metamorphosis or abnormality and in Japan has a strong negative connotation, and is commonly used to mean sexually perverted". However in Western and Internet circles it means animated pornography, usually that Japanese stuff. Somebody was arguing though that since so many millions of Japanese people use it to mean "perverted" or whatever, compared to fewer people who use it to mean animated porn, that the word's meaning is limited to perverted. Of course this is ridiculous.
Epic Fusion
31-08-2007, 15:27
It isn't unsupported- he lists numerous examples of what is wrong with the language such as cliches, metaphors etc. Subjective? Well, yes. 1. But I think the majority of sensible people would accept his observations.

2. No rules? Not sure what you mean there, but I agree we shouldn't try to rigidly control grammar and spelling as these will naturally evolve with time. And I love that English takes words and styles from other languages. But I don't see why we should drop our standards so easily and so often, because, as Ludwig Wittgenstein once said: 2. "The limits of my language mean the limits of my world". We can only express ourselves as well as our language allows us to.

lol, I actually kinda agree with you here. I've had a couple of arguments on NSG trying to convince people that meaning is derived from the meaning the speaker gives it. For example, "hentai" in Japanese means "metamorphosis or abnormality and in Japan has a strong negative connotation, and is commonly used to mean sexually perverted". However in Western and Internet circles it means animated pornography, usually that Japanese stuff. Somebody was arguing though that since so many millions of Japanese people use it to mean "perverted" or whatever, compared to fewer people who use it to mean animated porn, that the word's meaning is limited to perverted. Of course this is ridiculous.

So we mostly agree? That's good:)

1. I think such a view on grammar would put you in the minority, as I think most people view understanding bad grammar and strange dialects as a more important skill than using strict grammar rules. Plus it's rare for people to call a piece of writing ugly, as he does, and once again I think that's a subjective decision to make.

2. By no rules, I mean't one should never look down on someone if they choose to use english the way they do. If that means lacking even the most basic grammar skills, that is their choice to make. I also think the quote you mention fails to take into account languages beyond words, such as body language, symbolism, and more importantly, intuitive languages (like when you tell yourself something without using any words or symbols).

Also, in my opinion, you limit your language by following too many rules. So the quote applies against grammar ______. (need an unoffensive word)
Dalmatia Cisalpina
31-08-2007, 17:15
Do not misunderstand; there exists no compassion in this rotten corpse-filled hell that is NS General.

Two years of lurking has taught me otherwise, though that's no reason not to have a thick skin about most comments that come your way.
SoWiBi
31-08-2007, 18:35
The Bielefeld-conspiracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy) has no English or American equivalent.

"Wir lieben sie / die Idiotie / made in Germany"

As a Bielefelderin, I'll have to ask you to cease and desist bringing this up. For reasons that hsall remain unnamed, it can be bad enough living here anyhow, there is absolutely no need to make it any worse by being constantly oh, so witty about.. well, this.

That and you have just confirmed one of the Truths mentioned here: People don't care to check their own sources, and will have them ripped apart by others ASAP. This time, you made the n00b mistake to link to a page that actually comes to prove your argument wrong - it links to a page dedicating itself to the Idaho Conspiracy (http://kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu/idaho_does_not_exist.html), i.e. the theory that Idaho doesn't exist.
Evil Turnips
31-08-2007, 18:40
Anytime someone with less than 1000 posts finds an interesting thread the debate or discussion has wound down and anything he posts will be ignored.

Such as this one.
Trotskylvania
31-08-2007, 18:42
Anytime someone with less than 1000 posts finds an interesting thread the debate or discussion has wound down and anything he posts will be ignored.

Such as this one.

I disagree. :p
Evil Turnips
31-08-2007, 18:46
I disagree. :p

Well played sir!
Trotskylvania
31-08-2007, 18:52
Well played sir!

Just doing my job. :D
Bitchkitten
31-08-2007, 20:13
Anytime someone with less than 1000 posts finds an interesting thread the debate or discussion has wound down and anything he posts will be ignored.

Such as this one.I doubt it has much to do with post count. More with post quality. They ignore me tons.:D
Trotskylvania
31-08-2007, 21:12
I doubt it has much to do with post count. More with post quality. They ignore me tons.:D

I don't think it has anything to do with post quality, Bitchkitten. :cool:
Zilam
31-08-2007, 21:56
On threads about Israel, you can count on a few people to make anti-semetic comments.

And also, you can count on people blindly supporting the Israelis, as if to dismiss to existence of Palestinian people as part of the human race.
Zilam
31-08-2007, 21:59
oh here is another thing:

Mods hate fun.

For example, there is to be no spam, no babe threads, no spam, and no spam.

Those damn mods!:mad:
New new nebraska
31-08-2007, 23:27
- The intelligent threads get fewer posts while those started by trolls attract posters like moths to a flame.



My Disani(unfortunately I spelled it Dasini :headbang:) and No Child Left Behind threads are good example.Especially the NCLB thread.It died in one page.Intelligent topic,which I had lots of stuff to back it up for died in one page.Whacha look like has over 1,000 posts.*fires gun in air :mp5: *

A new truth.Whatever the "Hot topic de Netherlands" is it is always very popular and always named Hot Topic de Netherlands.

Oh and several people are obsessed with grammar when a point was clearly made.
Gauthier
31-08-2007, 23:44
And also, you can count on people blindly supporting the Israelis, as if to dismiss to existence of Palestinian people as part of the human race.

There will be people on NSG who believes the United States and Israeli government can never do wrong. Same people will also believe Muslims can never do right because they're all barbaric, zealous Al Qaeda operatives and supporters that need to be killed off for the good of humanity.
PedroTheDonkey
01-09-2007, 09:35
A spelling or grammar error in a position invalidates the position, regardless of what that position may be, or why it was taken.
SaintB
01-09-2007, 09:53
I seem to kill more threads in general talk than anyone else. I make a post in a thread thats quite alive and then BAM... nobody else posts in it... I hope I don't kill your thread dear.
SaintB
01-09-2007, 10:06
Seems lke I done it again...
The Brevious
01-09-2007, 10:31
I seem to kill more threads in general talk than anyone else. I make a post in a thread thats quite alive and then BAM... nobody else posts in it... I hope I don't kill your thread dear.

I'm sure there's some paddles that can be applied to it.
*zap*