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Now, that's ironic. Also see; more diversity leads to less social spending:

http://www.newhouse.com/beneath-the-surface,-americans-are-ambivalent-about-diversity-5.html


School segregation on the rise: report



By Matthew Bigg 2 hours, 21 minutes ago

ATLANTA (Reuters) - Public schools in the United States are becoming more racially segregated and the trend is likely to accelerate because of a Supreme Court decision in June, according to report published on Wednesday.

The rise in segregation threatens the quality of education received by non-white students, who now make up 43 percent of the total U.S. student body, said the report by the Civil Rights Project of the University of California.

Many segregated schools struggle to attract teachers and administrators who are highly qualified, do not offer good preparation for college and fail to graduate more than half their students.

The Supreme Court in its June ruling forbade most existing voluntary local efforts to integrate schools in a decision favored by the Bush administration despite warnings from academics that it would compound educational inequality.

"The country risks becoming a nation where most of the new non-white majority of young people will be attending separate and inferior schools and educators will be forbidden to take any direct action likely to bring down the color line," the report said.

"Resegregation ... is continuing to grow in all parts of the country for both African Americans and Latinos and is accelerating the most rapidly in the only region that had been highly desegregated -- the South," it said.

The trend damages the prospects for non-white students and will likely have a negative effect on the U.S. economy, according to the report by one of the leading U.S. research centers on issues of civil rights and racial inequality.

Part of the reason for the resegregation trend is the rapidly expanding number of black and Latino children and a corresponding fall in the number of white children, it said.

Contrary to popular belief, the surge in the number of minority children in public schools was not mainly caused by a flight of white students into private schools.

Instead, it said, the post-"baby boom" generation of white Americans are having smaller family sizes.

"We are in the last decade of a white majority in American public schools and there are already minorities of white students in our two largest regions, the South and the West," the report said.

TRIPLE SEGREGATION FOR LATINOS

The record of successive administration reforms such as the Goals 2000 project of former President Bill Clinton and the "No Child Left Behind" of President George W. Bush in 2001 "justifies deep skepticism," the report said.

Those reforms focused pressure and resources on making the achievement of minority children in segregated schools equal to children in schools that were fully integrated.

School desegregation is a sensitive issue in the United States because of resistance to it from white leaders in the decade after a 1954 Supreme Court decision saying segregated public schools were unconstitutional.

One of the chief complaints of the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s was that black-only public schools were inevitably starved of resources by local government with the result that black children received inferior education.

Latinos are the fastest growing minority in U.S. schools and for them segregation is often more profound than it was when the phenomenon was first measured 40 years ago, according to the report, "Historic Reversals, Accelerating Resegregation and the need for new Integration Strategies."

"Too often Latino students face triple segregation by race, class and language," it said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070829/us_nm/usa_schools_segregation_dc

"We are in the last decade of a white majority in American public schools and there are already minorities of white students in our two largest regions, the South and the West," the report said.

Oh, no! HELP! The mud people are out to get us!

Pathetic attempt, my little nazi friend.

No crap diversity breeds segragation. Diversity just builds walls not tears them down. I like Stephen Colbert's view on no color, race, religion.

Now, that's ironic. Also see; more diversity leads to less social spending:

http://www.newhouse.com/beneath-the-surface,-americans-are-ambivalent-about-diversity-5.html


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070829/us_nm/usa_schools_segregation_dc

Your article only shows an increase in segregation, not that it is caused by diversity.

Now, that's ironic. Also see; more diversity leads to less social spending:

http://www.newhouse.com/beneath-the-surface,-americans-are-ambivalent-about-diversity-5.html


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070829/us_nm/usa_schools_segregation_dc

Anyone with a brain stem could have figured this out. No need for the study to prove what I have known for a while. But then, the left did need to hear this and hopefully they figure out that they have been wrong in the statements about diversity lowering segregation.

Thanks again for proving why I oppose Affirmative Action.

Your article only shows an increase in segregation, not that it is caused by diversity.

Yes but the point was really about the diminishing White Nation, as evidenced by what the OP chose to highlight with red, alarmy text.

Your article only shows an increase in segregation, not that it is caused by diversity.

"Part of the reason for the resegregation trend is the rapidly expanding number of black and Latino children and a corresponding fall in the number of white children, it said."

Contrary to popular belief, the surge in the number of minority children in public schools was not mainly caused by a flight of white students into private schools.

Instead, it said, the post-"baby boom" generation of white Americans are having smaller family sizes.

"We are in the last decade of a white majority in American public schools and there are already minorities of white students in our two largest regions, the South and the West," the report said.
Yep. In 20 years American whites are going to be herded onto reservations while the darkies take over, and Europe becomes the next caliphate.

Or perhaps not.

Anyone with a brain stem could have figured this out. No need for the study to prove what I have known for a while. But then, the left did need to hear this and hopefully they figure out that they have been wrong in the statements about diversity lowering segregation.

Thanks again for proving why I oppose Affirmative Action.

The left usually supports diversity, no segregation and more of a welfare state. Studies show these are disconcordant. That was why I thought the news was ironic...

"Part of the reason for the resegregation trend is the rapidly expanding number of black and Latino children and a corresponding fall in the number of white children, it said."

So, the existence of blacks and latinos amounts to "diversity" does it?

Please. You're just another dime-store racist peddling the same tired, outdated bullshit fearmongering.

Yes but the point was really about the diminishing White Nation, as evidenced by what the OP chose to highlight with red, alarmy text.

I know. Isn't it terrible? Those foreign devils are going to kill all the innocent Caucasians.

Really though, all I see evidence of is the failure of the United States' school system. Where is your evidence that all this is being caused by diversity?

"Part of the reason for the resegregation trend is the rapidly expanding number of black and Latino children and a corresponding fall in the number of white children, it said."

Wow, you really are stupid.

How does relative birth rates have anything to do with segregation in schools? The answer is that there is no direct link. If you want us to believe there is alink, please show it to us.

Don't forget to back up your claims.

I know. Isn't it terrible? Those foreign devils are going to kill all the innocent Caucasians.

Really though, all I see evidence of is the failure of the United States' school system. Where is your evidence that all this is being caused by diversity?

Actually there was a study done that shows that Diversity is having an opposite effect than what they were expecting. I am trying to find the article.

Part of the reason for the resegregation trend is the rapidly expanding number of black and Latino children and a corresponding fall in the number of white children, it said.

A future of Muhamad Ali, Beyonce Knowles and Jennifer Lopez types, versus a dwindling number of snot nosed hate-filled pasty faced acne raddled net Nazis.... O NOES!111!!1 TEH HO33R0R!!!!

Wow, you really are stupid.

How does relative birth rates have anything to do with segregation in schools? The answer is that there is no direct link. If you want us to believe there is alink, please show it to us.

Don't forget to back up your claims.

You are the one not getting it and I'm really stupid? LOL

First of all it's not my report and not my evidence. The report says rapidly expanding numbers of black and latino students, ie: more diversity, contributes to segregation. What part of this do you not understand? Or do you not understand that diversity is usually thought of as a more multi-racial/multi-ethnic society. Do you not understand that 20% Black 30% Latino and 50% White group is more diverse then 5% Black 5% Latino and 90% white group? Really? What can you not comprehend? It's supposed to be really simple...

Anyone with a brain stem could have figured this out. No need for the study to prove what I have known for a while. But then, the left did need to hear this and hopefully they figure out that they have been wrong in the statements about diversity lowering segregation.
Did you practice to become this big of a troll or does it come naturally?

In its June ruling the Supreme Court forbade most existing voluntary local efforts to integrate schools in a decision favored by the Bush administration despite warnings from academics that it would compound educational inequality.

"It is about as dramatic a reversal in the stance of the federal courts as one could imagine," said Gary Orfield, a UCLA professor and a co-author of the report.

"The federal courts are clearly pushing us backward segregation with the encouragement of the Justice Department of President George W. Bush," he said in an interview.

How interesting that our resident racist forgot to incluede this in the OP.

I don't see any evidence that diversity itself is causing this.

I must have missed something. I didn't see the part where diversity causes segregation.

Could it be someone has a problem telling the difference between correlation and causation?

I must have missed something. I didn't see the part where diversity causes segregation.

Could it be someone has a problem telling the difference between correlation and causation?

Could it be someone has a problem with reading? The title is "More diversity leads to more segregation" not "diversity causes segregation".

A future of Muhamad Ali, Beyonce Knowles and Jennifer Lopez types, versus a dwindling number of snot nosed hate-filled pasty faced acne raddled net Nazis.... O NOES!111!!1 TEH HO33R0R!!!!

Racism is never good, whoever it's aimed at.

You are the one not getting it and I'm really stupid? LOL

First of all it's not my report and not my evidence. The report says rapidly expanding numbers of black and latino students, ie: more diversity, contributes to segregation.

How? Seems to me they have greater numbers thus more seats in a classroom.

What part of this do you not understand?

What part of the above statement makes no sense?

The segregation is apparently caused by several factors, including wealth disparity, parental choices about education, and political pressure from the White House.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/08/when-loving-par.html

http://wilmingtonjournal.blackpressusa.com/news/Article/Article.asp?NewsID=81684&sID=4

Actually there was a study done that shows that Diversity is having an opposite effect than what they were expecting. I am trying to find the article.

Now everyone, sit tight. Corneliu will soon arrive to save the day and demonstrate for once and all the evils of diversity. Those evil foreigners won't be able to prey on our souls anymore! Yep, yep. I'm sure you'll find this article soon, and that it will be clear and free of all bias.

You are the one not getting it and I'm really stupid? LOL

Do you type "LOL" just to convince people, AOL-style, that you're mocking them? Because it doesn't really work.

So to sum up, here's a list of Devils that Cornelius and Nova Magna Germania are trying to get us to Wake Up to. I'll just go by what they say or what they highlight/emphasize.

Devils from the OP:

Black and Latino Children: "rapidly expanding number of black and Latino children"

Not Enough White Children: "and a corresponding fall in the number of white children"

No More White Majority in Schools: "the last decade of a white majority in American public schools"

White Minorities: "there are already minorities of white students in our two largest regions"

From Cornelius:

People Without Brain Stems and Who Aren't Cornelius: "Anyone with a brain stem could have figured this out. No need for the study to prove what I have known for a while."

The Left: "But then, the left did need to hear this"

Diversity: "they have been wrong in the statements about diversity lowering segregation." (Note: This is only a devil is one assumes segregation to be wrong.)

Affirmative Action: "Thanks again for proving why I oppose Affirmative Action."

More from NMG:

The Left and Diversity: "The left usually supports diversity, no segregation

Welfare States: "and more of a welfare state."

Did I miss anything? Blacks, hispanics, the left, diversity, affirmative action, blacks and hispanics becoming numerous, white people not fucking enough, schools that are no longer dominated by white people, welfare states?

Shit! What about Jews and Muslims? What about homosexuals? Come on, there's whole groups out there you guys are missing. OR IS IT BECAUSE YOU ARE IN FACT HOMOSEXUAL JEWISH MUSLIMS? </paranoid bigotry>

Could it be someone has a problem with reading? The title is "More diversity leads to more segregation" not "diversity causes segregation".
Unless you wrote the fucking article, you have less to stand on than Seamus from Family Guy.

Now everyone, sit tight. Corneliu will soon arrive to save the day and demonstrate for once and all the evils of diversity. Those evil foreigners won't be able to prey on our souls anymore! Yep, yep. I'm sure you'll find this article soon, and that it will be clear and free of all bias.

um ok...:

IT HAS BECOME increasingly popular to speak of racial and ethnic diversity as a civic strength. From multicultural festivals to pronouncements from political leaders, the message is the same: our differences make us stronger.

But a massive new study, based on detailed interviews of nearly 30,000 people across America, has concluded just the opposite. Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam -- famous for "Bowling Alone," his 2000 book on declining civic engagement -- has found that the greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects. In the most diverse communities, neighbors trust one another about half as much as they do in the most homogenous settings. The study, the largest ever on civic engagement in America, found that virtually all measures of civic health are lower in more diverse settings.

"The extent of the effect is shocking," says Scott Page, a University of Michigan political scientist.

The study comes at a time when the future of the American melting pot is the focus of intense political debate, from immigration to race-based admissions to schools, and it poses challenges to advocates on all sides of the issues. The study is already being cited by some conservatives as proof of the harm large-scale immigration causes to the nation's social fabric. But with demographic trends already pushing the nation inexorably toward greater diversity, the real question may yet lie ahead: how to handle the unsettling social changes that Putnam's research predicts.

"We can't ignore the findings," says Ali Noorani, executive director of the Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition. "The big question we have to ask ourselves is, what do we do about it; what are the next steps?"

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/05/news/diversity.php

And just to prove it more, here is a link to the article:

www.humanities.manchester.ac.uk/socialchange/aboutus/news/documents/Putnam2007.pdf

Now everyone, sit tight. Corneliu will soon arrive to save the day and demonstrate for once and all the evils of diversity. Those evil foreigners won't be able to prey on our souls anymore! Yep, yep. I'm sure you'll find this article soon, and that it will be clear and free of all bias.

Did I say diversity was evil? No I do not believe I did.

Could it be someone has a problem with reading? The title is "More diversity leads to more segregation" not "diversity causes segregation".Explain to me the difference in meaning between causes and leads to in that particuliar use. I'm afraid I interpreted them to have pretty much the same meaning. Please feel free to give me a lesson in semantics.

Did I say diversity was evil? No I do not believe I did.

Oops, my most sincere apologies. I guess I simply used the word that you wanted to say but didn't, as it would make your point more laughable than it already is.

Oops, my most sincere apologies. I guess I simply used the word that you wanted to say but didn't, as it would make your point more laughable than it already is.

And what point would that be? Seems like everyone wants to imply something that I neither said nor believe. So humor me Aggicificicerous. what word do you believe I wanted to say that would have made my "point" more laughable?

And what point would that be? Seems like everyone wants to imply something that I neither said nor believe. So humor me Aggicificicerous. what word do you believe I wanted to say that would have made my "point" more laughable?

Evil, of course. That was already said. Now tell me. Where is this vaunted article of your's? Let's see you back up you argument for once.

Evil, of course. That was already said. Now tell me. Where is this vaunted article of your's? Let's see you back up you argument for once.

I posted it. Its on page 2.

You are the one not getting it and I'm really stupid? LOL

First of all it's not my report and not my evidence. The report says rapidly expanding numbers of black and latino students, ie: more diversity, contributes to segregation. What part of this do you not understand? Or do you not understand that diversity is usually thought of as a more multi-racial/multi-ethnic society. Do you not understand that 20% Black 30% Latino and 50% White group is more diverse then 5% Black 5% Latino and 90% white group? Really? What can you not comprehend? It's supposed to be really simple...

Dolt. Apparently I have to spell it out for you.

The report does not say that rapidly expanding numbers of black and latino students, ie: more diversity, leads to segregation.

You said that, and that's not the same thing at all.

It says: Part of the reason for the resegregation is the rapidly expanding number of black and Latino children and a corresponding fall in the number of white children, it said.

But it doesn't say why. Let's try and figure it out.

So we have more dark kids. How does that inevitably lead to segregation? There is no law in the universe that says once you have a certain percentage of black people in a room that they all have to move to the back.

So, if there is a link, it is an indirect one. The increase in diversity causes something and then that something causes segregation. Actually, it is more like increased diversity causes a whole range of things to happen. And then some of these things eventually lead to segregation.

Now since you made the claim, you have the burden of proof. You have to show how diversity leads to segregation. You have yet to do so.

I posted it. Its on page 2.

My apologies then...I must have missed it.

As for your article...it's nothing revolutionary. So you see that more diverse communities have a lower living standard and automatically assume it's because diversity is bad. Maybe it's because these communities are poorer and have fewer opportunities? As people are forced together due to racism (a la OP), they form ghettos and slums of their own. Is it any surprise that these places are worse to live than a rich white suburb? Correlations does not equal causation.

My apologies then...I must have missed it.

As for your article...it's nothing revolutionary. So you see that more diverse communities have a lower living standard and automatically assume it's because diversity is bad.

Again point to where I think diversity is bad please? It is getting tiresome that you have yet to prove that I believe it is bad.

Maybe it's because these communities are poorer and have fewer opportunities? As people are forced together due to racism (a la OP), they form ghettos and slums of their own. Is it any surprise that these places are worse to live than a rich white suburb? Correlations does not equal causation.

You are indeed right. I wish the OP spells that out. Notice how he is ignoring my question to him?

Again point to where I think diversity is bad please? It is getting tiresome that you have yet to prove that I believe it is bad.

Here you go.
Anyone with a brain stem could have figured this out. No need for the study to prove what I have known for a while. But then, the left did need to hear this and hopefully they figure out that they have been wrong in the statements about diversity lowering segregation.

Thanks again for proving why I oppose Affirmative Action.

Perhaps I simply interpreted it wrongly, but it seems to say there that diversity does not lower segregation? Do you support segregation (in which case you wouldn't think it's bad)?

You are indeed right. I wish the OP spells that out. Notice how he is ignoring my question to him?

He only answers the questions that he can without being so obviously racist that a child could pick it out.

Here you go.


Perhaps I simply interpreted it wrongly, but it seems to say there that diversity does not lower segregation? Do you support segregation (in which case you wouldn't think it's bad)?

No I do not support segregation. It is reprehensible and if Lincoln had not been assassinated...who knows where we would be now.

He only answers the questions that he can without being so obviously racist that a child could pick it out.

You are absolutely correct.

"..the surge in..."

So decreased family sizes among whites combined with a high birth rate for immigrants means further segregation in a society where racial groups are already divided from one another.

The only thing that proves about diversity is that we don't have it.