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Yes, when I mentioned this before, a fair number of people on this forum said it didn't happen.

It's so common along the rest rooms on the Interstate here in Virginia, that if you can wait to go somewhere else, and you're homophobic about being propositioned (and are offended by the proposition), you'll want to wait and go somewhere else.

I'm FOR gay rights, and FOR gay marriage - I'm just against sex in a public bathroom, where children may be present. I wouldn't want heterosexuals having sex in a public place, either.

Yes, there are Republican political figures who engage in this - and others, including both famous figures (George Michael) and common everyday gays.

Why can't they meet at their apartment? Their home? Get a room at a hotel? Bang away in the back seat of their car at night in a secluded spot in the middle of nowhere?

Would you have sex 30 seconds after being propositioned by a complete stranger whom you would never see again?

That's really stupid. Talk about a way of potentially exposing yourself to HIV and other STDs...cruising has to be some of the riskiest behavior I can imagine, especially considering all the hustlers and methheads that operate out of public restrooms and truck stops. Not to mention the legal risk; it just seems like a stupid idea no matter which way you look at it. That's being dangerously irresponsible with your sex life...
honestly, use Craigslist or something like that if you want a random hookup.

Would you have sex 30 seconds after being propositioned by a complete stranger whom you would never see again?

Been there, done that, doing it tomorrow.

When it comes to restrooms, it's mostly for closet cases or those who need some sort of "discretion", but a lot of people just like seediness and the clandestine and the thrill of the impending risk of "getting caught". Locker rooms, beaches, dimly lit parks and so on are other popular cruising spots. It's a quick and easy way to hook up for those that are only out to hook up, and since most men - gay or straight - are only out to hook up and see sex quite distinct from emotions as a release, it's not so surprising that these sorts of venues are established.

That's really stupid. Talk about a way of potentially exposing yourself to HIV and other STDs...cruising has to be some of the riskiest behavior I can imagine, especially considering all the hustlers and methheads that operate out of public restrooms and truck stops. Not to mention the legal risk; it just seems like a stupid idea no matter which way you look at it. That's being dangerously irresponsible with your sex life...
honestly, use Craigslist or something like that if you want a random hookup.

And get a room...

It's a good closet case hookup, quick anonymous, and the wife and your constituents never find out.

It's a good closet case hookup, quick anonymous, and the wife and your constituents never find out.

Please explain to me why a gay man would marry a woman.
Or stay in the closet.
There are plenty of openly gay people living in the area I'm living in - no problems. Openly gay people at work.
They don't have any problems.

Closet case argument doesn't work around here, and yet there are a lot of hookups on the spur of the moment in public areas.

I'm just saying that people need to get a room.

Please explain to me why a gay man would marry a woman.
Or stay in the closet.
There are plenty of openly gay people living in the area I'm living in - no problems. Openly gay people at work.
They don't have any problems.

Closet case argument doesn't work around here, and yet there are a lot of hookups on the spur of the moment in public areas.

I'm just saying that people need to get a room.

Societal pressure, you're from Virginia afterall, the state for lovers, unless you're gay. :rolleyes:

If you're born to a conservative family and you're gay, you either stay a closet case or get disowned.

Societal pressure, you're from Virginia afterall, the state for lovers, unless you're gay. :rolleyes:

If you're born to a conservative family and you're gay, you either stay a closet case or get disowned.

I'm in a conservative family full of Pentecostal Christians whom you would label as conservative Southern fundamentalists.

There are openly gay people in the congregation I belong to. Openly gay people in our family (as well as a few others that I know of).

Maybe it depends on your family.

done that, not in a public loo though, it was a busstop. i honestly which i hadn't though but i was really wasted and barely coherent so i couldn't figure out how to tell him to fuck off.

There are plenty of openly gay people living in the area I'm living in - no problems. Openly gay people at work.
They don't have any problems....that you know of.

Never been propositioned in a public facility of any sort... ever.

...that you know of.

Considering that the project manager here is openly gay, you would think that if there were problems, there would be an easy route for a gay man to make a complaint.

Never been propositioned in a public facility of any sort... ever.

are you that ugly? <just kidding>

Apparently, CNN begs to differ.

are you that ugly? <just kidding>

Apparently, CNN begs to differ.

Maybe I am intimidating I don't know CNN may beg to differ on averages not on individuals.

Please explain to me why a gay man would marry a woman.
Or stay in the closet.
There are plenty of openly gay people living in the area I'm living in - no problems. Openly gay people at work.
They don't have any problems.

Closet case argument doesn't work around here, and yet there are a lot of hookups on the spur of the moment in public areas.

I'm just saying that people need to get a room.

*shrug* some people just cant accept being gay. its better than it used to be but i suppose there will always be a few people who stay in the closet for whatever reason.

its not like anyone supports the idea of staying in the closet. its not good for the gay person and not good for the woman or man they end up married to.

and really, if there is a problem with sex at rest stops it shouldnt matter if its gay men having too good a time or prostitutes seeking customers, you need more law enforcement to move those people on.

gay rights doesnt mean the right to use a rest stop bathroom as a sex stop. its against the law. the problem isnt in gay men the problem is in lax law enforcement.

Just got an answer from someone in the office about hookups in public:

Mainly because I knew I didn't care about them and they were just a comfortable disease free harbor in which to dock my genitalia

Please explain to me why a gay man would marry a woman.
Or stay in the closet.
There are plenty of openly gay people living in the area I'm living in - no problems. Openly gay people at work.
They don't have any problems.

Closet case argument doesn't work around here, and yet there are a lot of hookups on the spur of the moment in public areas.

I'm just saying that people need to get a room.

He (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22330251-663,00.html) could have built a career as a conservative politician in a conservative state while opposing gay rights and marrying a woman. Even if he's caught, he won't admit to being gay, though, just mistaken. Pressure from the community, family, society, and perhaps the necessity of hiding his sexual orientation to have a successful political career can all make a gay man go for the bathroom instead of coming out.

He (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22330251-663,00.html) could have built a career as a conservative politician in a conservative state while opposing gay rights and marrying a woman. Even if he's caught, he won't admit to being gay, though, just mistaken. Pressure from the community, family, society, and perhaps the necessity of hiding his sexual orientation to have a successful political career can all make a gay man go for the bathroom instead of coming out.

So George Michael is a politician? Can't a famous singer be openly gay?

So all these guys in the restroom looking for an instant anonymous hookup are politicians?

Considering that the project manager here is openly gay, you would think that if there were problems, there would be an easy route for a gay man to make a complaint.Even if this is the case, your company is certainly not the rule.

Even if this is the case, your company is certainly not the rule.

Around this area, there doesn't seem to be a problem being openly gay.

Just go to Adams-Morgan downtown (or Dupont Circle), and you'll see what I mean.

So George Michael is a politician? Can't a famous singer be openly gay?
Apparently, Michael didn't think so. How people in the public eye act can say a lot about the kind of pressure everyone experiences. If a musician with a large following didn't feel comfortable enough to come out, how comfortable would an average gay man feel in being openly gay?

So all these guys in the restroom looking for an instant anonymous hookup are politicians?

Where'd I say that?

Senator Craig is just an example of how far a gay man can be driven to repress sexual desires as a result of public pressure, to the point of actively campaigning against gay rights. An extreme example, but a useful one.

Apparently, Michael didn't think so. How people in the public eye act can say a lot about the kind of pressure everyone experiences. If a musician with a large following didn't feel comfortable enough to come out, how comfortable would an average gay man feel in being openly gay?

Gosh, it didn't hurt Queen.

Maybe he just had a major self-esteem problem (something he confessed to on VH1 after that arrest).

Around this area, there doesn't seem to be a problem being openly gay.

Just go to Adams-Morgan downtown (or Dupont Circle), and you'll see what I mean.Perhaps there doesn't seem to be, but it probably wouldn't seem that way to someone who isn't openly gay.

Gosh, it didn't hurt Queen.Freddie Mercury never came out.
Even still, Queen was way more popular in Britain than in the U.S., and Britain is more accepting of homosexuality than the U.S.

Freddie Mercury never came out.

We knew here in the US since the early 1980s. Didn't affect record sales as far as I can tell.

We knew here in the US since the early 1980s. Didn't affect record sales as far as I can tell.There's a difference between a rumor and the subject of the rumor acknowledging the rumor as fact.
Nonetheless, :

(From Wiki)

"In 1982 the band released the funk album Hot Space. The band stopped touring North America, as their success there had waned...
...In March 2006, Queen + Paul Rodgers set out to tour the United States and Canada. This tour, apart from the two United States dates from the first Queen + Paul Rodgers tour, marks Queen's first full-on United States tour since Hot Space in 1982."

Maybe he's actually not gay.

I hear stories and read articles about straight men who, for whatever reason, occasionally look to hook up with a man. They're usually married, are attracted to women, have always been with women etc. They're not bisexual in that they aren't ever actually "romantically" attracted to men.

But just once in a while they hook up with guys.

It's an easy place to get sex?

It's an easy place to get sex?

So, you meet someone there - AND THEN - go get a room.

That would be a great plan.

What I object to is the sex right there.

Well, it kind of makes sense. Plenty of privacy and people of the same gender. Although I can't honestly say I've been asked for sex while going for a piss. The most exciting thing that's ever happened to me in the loo was in France: I walked straight into the ladies, did my buisiness, and didn't even notice until I was told my my sister afterwards. So I suppose a hetersexual couple could go for a bit of nookie there if they wanted to as well.

Sex in a public restroom is a bit sleazy regardless of who's involved. Though I can see the appeal of the "OMG, what if someone walks in" factor.

Sex in a public restroom is a bit sleazy regardless of who's involved. Though I can see the appeal of the "OMG, what if someone walks in" factor.

Openly gay men generally don't this sort of thing. Its only the guys in the closet or perhaps bi-curious that do this. Perhaps if society wasn't as homophobic, people wouldn't have to sneak around like this.

So, you meet someone there - AND THEN - go get a room.

That would be a great plan.

What I object to is the sex right there.
Pfft doesn't have the somewhat neanderthal feel to it, then, does it?

this has little to do with gay or straight. its called "sex in public". most of these people enjoy the thrill more then the sex. its the thrill that they are after. It only seems that its a gay thing because it generally only makes the news if it has the gay component,without that it goes nowhere fast. if you think that i am making that up just do a google search for "sex in public" and you will plainly see that this goes way beyond simple sexual oriantation.


now as to this specific senator, there has been questions about him sense the 80's when he was implacated in the senate page sex scandel. somehow he got away with that one, though don't ask me how.

pfft. i really could care less anymore. though i agree with several people here, just get a freaking room sheesh:rolleyes::p

I think there was a law and order episode that revolved around this topic. :p