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With Senator Craig being just the latest example, why are so many anti-gay activists actually gay? It seems its almost a requirement: to be against gay marriage, one must blow a stranger in a bathroom stall. Your thoughts?

It is possible that Craig's repulsive choice to be a homo-sexual eventually became so overwhelmingly repugnant, even to him, that he staunchly decried such immoral behavioral deficiencies. I would theorize that many people who have chosen to be homo-sexual are so appalled by the lifestyle that they feel the need to protect others from going down that very same dismal path.

With Senator Craig being just the latest example, why are so many anti-gay activists actually gay? It seems its almost a requirement: to be against gay marriage, one must blow a stranger in a bathroom stall. Your thoughts?

Because they, like Tom Cruise and John Travolta, find it nice and comfortable in the closet.

It is possible that Craig's repulsive choice to be a homo-sexual eventually became so overwhelmingly repugnant, even to him, that he staunchly decried such immoral behavioral deficiencies. I would theorize that many people who have chosen to be homo-sexual are so appalled by the lifestyle that they feel the need to protect others from going down that very same dismal path.


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It is possible that Craig's repulsive choice to be a homo-sexual eventually became so overwhelmingly repugnant, even to him, that he staunchly decried such immoral behavioral deficiencies. I would theorize that many people who have chosen to be homo-sexual are so appalled by the lifestyle that they feel the need to protect others from going down that very same dismal path.
Then why not suicide?

possible that Craig's repulsive choice to be a homo-sexual

I'll see you in the the bathroom stall, babe ;)




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It is possible that Craig's repulsive choice to be a homo-sexual eventually became so overwhelmingly repugnant, even to him, that he staunchly decried such immoral behavioral deficiencies. I would theorize that many people who have chosen to be homo-sexual are so appalled by the lifestyle that they feel the need to protect others from going down that very same dismal path.

um, no. I'm almost positive this isn't it.

Then why not suicide?

Because that would require some level of courage, and if he were courageous, he'd just come out.

Yeah, I don't think it's a matter of finding their life style "repugnant" or even that they want to "save" other's from going down the same path. I think it's more of the political atmosphere of the US...a person can't get anywhere unless they support (no matter how superficially) the close-minded, right-wing, conservative viewpoints of other popular Republicans. By the way, is homosexuality a choice? Did you choose to be straight (...like wake up one morning and decide to sleep with and love the opposite sex)? Just a thought.

It's called repression. They repress urges for so long that they eventually come out in an explosive nature

Then why not suicide?

Because they feel an intense urge to right, or at least mitigate, their previous wrongs by alerting the populace to the heinous nature of homo-sexuality. Dying would accomplish nothing; but perhaps they can save some precariously-placed souls if they find the courage to stay alive and go on with the show.

It is possible that Craig's repulsive choice to be a homo-sexual eventually became so overwhelmingly repugnant, even to him, that he staunchly decried such immoral behavioral deficiencies. I would theorize that many people who have chosen to be homo-sexual are so appalled by the lifestyle that they feel the need to protect others from going down that very same dismal path.

Change home-sexuals to jews and we have a NAZI! yay for intolerance! Some people are just plain stupid.

Because they feel an intense urge to right, or at least mitigate, their previous wrongs by alerting the populace to the heinous nature of homo-sexuality. Dying would accomplish nothing; but perhaps they can save some precariously-placed souls if they find the courage to stay alive and go on with the show.

But by their other actions they are only exposing to the world that homosecksuality exists.


Dying would accomplish something; one less queer.

It is possible that Craig's repulsive choice to be a homo-sexual eventually became so overwhelmingly repugnant, even to him, that he staunchly decried such immoral behavioral deficiencies. I would theorize that many people who have chosen to be homo-sexual are so appalled by the lifestyle that they feel the need to protect others from going down that very same dismal path.
Personally his immoral deficiencies were his public and political viewpoints not what he did in a bathroom stall

Because they feel an intense urge to right, or at least mitigate, their previous wrongs by alerting the populace to the heinous nature of homo-sexuality. Dying would accomplish nothing; but perhaps they can save some precariously-placed souls if they find the courage to stay alive and go on with the show.

You know, that's exactly how I feel about the current administration. Though they long ago recognized the folly of their political philosophy and policies, Bush and his advisers are trying to prevent America from electing neo-conservatives again by forging ahead despite the damage to the country and their personal legacies. Only by playing their roles can they expose the stupidity of their ways.

It is possible that Craig's repulsive choice to be a homo-sexual eventually became so overwhelmingly repugnant, even to him, that he staunchly decried such immoral behavioral deficiencies. I would theorize that many people who have chosen to be homo-sexual are so appalled by the lifestyle that they feel the need to protect others from going down that very same dismal path.

On the other hand, it is possible that if Craig had had the courage to accept the fact that he is gay and embrace it, he might well have found a loving, stable relationship and lived a long, happy, healthy life as a gay man. Unfortunately, he was probably brainwashed into thinking that being gay is some sort of a bad thing, and the conflict thus engendered caused his poor choices.

It is sad that so many people are suffering because of attitudes like yours which say they are wrong for being who they are.



*Edit* Damn it! I fell for the trolling. Sorry! I am done with this guy.

But by their other actions they are only exposing to the world that homosecksuality exists.

The public must be informed that such a grievous exigency is facing our nation. It is better to hear it from a repentant politician than the mainstream media, which has been infiltrated by homo-sexuals peddling their atrocious agenda of moral dessication.

Dying would accomplish something; one less queer.

I believe that he is deeply and truly contrite; he deserves our sympathy. Although he has strayed in the past, God teaches us to forgive his trespasses.

It is sad that so many people are suffering because of attitudes like yours which say they are wrong for being who they are.

God has an attitude like mine.

The public must be informed that such a grievous exigency is facing our nation. It is better to hear it from a repentant politician than the mainstream media, which has been infiltrated by homo-sexuals peddling their atrocious agenda of moral dessication.

No. Evils should be hidden from children's eyes. This overplaying of homosecksuality on the news is threatening to the lives of children.

I believe that he is deeply and truly contrite; he deserves our sympathy. Although he has strayed in the past, God teaches us to forgive his trespasses.

No. God teaches us that gays should and will be punished. I'm sure you're familiar with the story of Sodom.

No. Evils should be hidden from children's eyes. This overplaying of homosecksuality on the news is threatening to the lives of children.



No. God teaches us that gays should and will be punished. I'm sure you're familiar with the story of Sodom.

Errr... you are aware that the story of Sodom had nothing to do with homosexuality, aren't you? Well, no, obviously you are not. It didn't.

No. Evils should be hidden from children's eyes. This overplaying of homosecksuality on the news is threatening to the lives of children.

I agree that the overplaying of homo-sexuality on the news is a corrosive influence on our youth; however, the condemnation of that abhorrent lifestyle choice reinforces moral rigor.

No. God teaches us that gays should and will be punished. I'm sure you're familiar with the story of Sodom.

Only God can mete out their punishment, not us. He will be nakedly judged before God, but we must show him sympathy, for that is as God dictates.

God has an attitude like mine.

Well my God has baditude.

Errr... you are aware that the story of Sodom had nothing to do with homosexuality, aren't you? Well, no, obviously you are not. It didn't.

4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Shhhhhh.

I agree that the overplaying of homo-sexuality on the news is a corrosive influence on our youth; however, the condemnation of that abhorrent lifestyle choice reinforces moral rigor.

It only exposes it. If anything, it should be eradicated by covering it up and eliminating it, like a disease.

Only God can mete out their punishment, not us. He will be nakedly judged before God, but we must show him sympathy, for that is as God dictates.

Why must we contradict the will of God?

I dunno.

But whatever it is, it's what leads me to believe that our dear Fred Phelps is in fact, a gay man.

Why must we contradict the will of God?

The will of God is to forgive those who commit trespasses; He will punish them as He sees fit, not us.

God has an attitude like mine.


so one question, if god hates gays so much, and hes all powerful and all knowing, why doesnt he take just homosexuality away? i mean, come on, he is GOD

There's an addage in the gay community, that while cliche, holds oh so true. The ones that scream "FAG" the loudest are fighting their own desires the hardest. When someone has to live a lie that heavily.... how can they ever be trusted when they"ll lie to themselves!

4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.


As in "get to know them". As in these strangers were obviously VIPs and the neighbors wanted an introduction. The verb "know" did not come to mean "have sexual congress with" until the middle ages. Of course, if you are looking for sexual wrongdoing, the REST of the story has Lot saying "leave us alone, stop banging on my door and I will let you rape my daughters." But even there, no homosexuality was involved.

now...what if there wasnt anything bad with being gay in the first place?


...and there wasnt even any higher all-powerfull deitys at all? :)

(Oh and last I heard, your sexual attraction is not a choise but a matter of psychology...)

The will of God is to forgive those who commit trespasses; He will punish them as He sees fit, not us.

Then why do christians see it fit that they punish gays, if that is the job of God? and by punishment i mean constant persecution, enacting laws making it ok to be fired from a job just because you are gay, not allowing gay marriages(remember, everyone who gets married does not believe in your god). just let me know.

Guilty *raises hand*

I choose not to do what I believe is sinful. Temptation is common to every man (and woman), some just happen to be a little more difficult to fight (for whatever reason, biological, perhaps?), but we should still fight them.

Something I do less than perfectly, God forgive me.

Guilty *raises hand*

I choose not to do what I believe is sinful. Temptation is common to every man (and woman), some just happen to be a little more difficult to fight (for whatever reason, biological, perhaps?), but we should still fight them.

Something I do less than perfectly, God forgive me.

So, ummm... what are you claiming to be guilty of, exactly?

The entire line of thinking in this thread requires the assumption that Craig is in fact gay. Perhaps he is simply bi-sexual or simply wanted a tryst.

For that matter, there is no indication that he ever engaged in any homosexual behavior beyond making various signals, which are apparently known to the community of people who frequent airport bathrooms for the purpose of engaging in sexual acts.

So, ummm... what are you claiming to be guilty of, exactly?

Being a repressed closet case is my guess. Though he appears too self aware for that.

So, ummm... what are you claiming to be guilty of, exactly?

Being an anti-gay gay.

Well, more accurately, an anti-homosexual behavior gay

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Aw, come on. You took that post seriously? At all? ANY PART of it?

4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Quite right. More than one per night is just greedy, and Lot should share.

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OK, I'll stop now. I can see you good folks are settling in for a flame-war, I shouldn't blow your gig.

As in "get to know them". As in these strangers were obviously VIPs and the neighbors wanted an introduction. The verb "know" did not come to mean "have sexual congress with" until the middle ages. Of course, if you are looking for sexual wrongdoing, the REST of the story has Lot saying "leave us alone, stop banging on my door and I will let you rape my daughters." But even there, no homosexuality was involved.

4Before they lay down, (A)the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter;

5and they called to Lot and said to him, "(B)Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them."

The entire line of thinking in this thread requires the assumption that Craig is in fact gay. Perhaps he is simply bi-sexual or simply wanted a tryst.

For that matter, there is no indication that he ever engaged in any homosexual behavior beyond making various signals, which are apparently known to the community of people who frequent airport bathrooms for the purpose of engaging in sexual acts.

A first timer wouldn't cruise toilets, that's the sign of an experienced bitch.

So, ummm... what are you claiming to be guilty of, exactly?

Being an anti-gay gay

Well, more accurately, an anti-homosexual behavior gay

Being a repressed closet case is my guess. Though he appears too self aware for that.

Well, yeah, I guess, but I repress myself through my own free agency.

God has an attitude like mine.

What colossal arrogance. You claim to know the mind of god, now, heretic?

4Before they lay down, (A)the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter;

5and they called to Lot and said to him, "(B)Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them."

A translation that was intended to foster the idea that homosexuality was a bad thing, but in reality no more convincing than the first. I have relations with many people, all day long, and not one of them is sexual in nature.

Sorry. The homosexual aspect to the Sodom story was added LONG after the fact. The neighbors in the story were looking to meet the new celebrities in town. Not fornicate with, or it would have said "Bring them out to us so that we may have sex with them." It doesn't say that in any of the translations (well, maybe there are some brand spanking new ones where it does).

Being an anti-gay gay.

Well, more accurately, an anti-homosexual behavior gay

So you are gay, but you tell others that what you are is actually evil?

How sad for everyone. How sad for you! It is perfectly OK for you to be what you are! You don't need to be ashamed of yourself, you are fine! It is everyone who says you are evil and bad who should be ashamed of themselves.

So you are gay, but you tell others that what you are is actually evil?

How sad for everyone. How sad for you! It is perfectly OK for you to be what you are! You don't need to be ashamed of yourself, you are fine! It is everyone who says you are evil and bad who should be ashamed of themselves.

Eh, life is sad.

It's happy also: hills and gullies.

Eh, life is sad.

It's happy also: hills and gullies.

So you are probably the best person currently to be able to answer the OP.

Why would you hate yourself enough to be and anti-gay gay?

A translation that was intended to foster the idea that homosexuality was a bad thing, but in reality no more convincing than the first. I have relations with many people, all day long, and not one of them is sexual in nature.

Sorry. The homosexual aspect to the Sodom story was added LONG after the fact. The neighbors in the story were looking to meet the new celebrities in town. Not fornicate with, or it would have said "Bring them out to us so that we may have sex with them." It doesn't say that in any of the translations (well, maybe there are some brand spanking new ones where it does).

New International
4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house.
5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

New KJV
4 Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house.
5 And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.”

Young's Literal Translation (never heard of it)
4Before they lie down, the men of the city -- men of Sodom -- have come round about against the house, from young even unto aged, all the people from the extremity;
5and they call unto Lot and say to him, `Where [are] the men who have come in unto thee to-night? bring them out unto us, and we know them.'

Honestly, I was trying to argue on F&G's terms. The sex part was probably added by fag enablers. Don't take it personal. However, interesting site for multiple translations.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019:4-5;&version=15;

You can specify verse by verse and a bunch of different texts and languages.

So you are probably the best person currently to be able to answer the OP.

Why would you hate yourself enough to be and anti-gay gay?

Religion: being an Evangelical is not very healthy for homosexual activity.

I'm convinced that Scripture is the divinely inspried Word of God and that specifically condemns homosexual behavior (NOT homosexuals!!!).

I'm not called to be straight. But I am called to strive for purity in my actions. And my standard for purity says no homosexual behavior.

A translation that was intended to foster the idea that homosexuality was a bad thing, but in reality no more convincing than the first. I have relations with many people, all day long, and not one of them is sexual in nature.

Sorry. The homosexual aspect to the Sodom story was added LONG after the fact. The neighbors in the story were looking to meet the new celebrities in town. Not fornicate with, or it would have said "Bring them out to us so that we may have sex with them." It doesn't say that in any of the translations (well, maybe there are some brand spanking new ones where it does).

Actually all three of the main religions progressives (Islam, Christianity and Judaism) agree that the issue was homosexual rape - not homosexuality.

In the case of Christianity, Paul was referring to ritual orgies at the various sites around Rome - not homosexuality persay. Also, not all of what has been put under the name of 'Paul' was actually written by Paul.

Actually all three of the main religions progressives (Islam, Christianity and Judaism) agree that the issue was homosexual rape - not homosexuality.

In the case of Christianity, Paul was referring to ritual orgies at the various sites around Rome - not homosexuality persay. Also, not all of what has been put under the name of 'Paul' was actually written by Paul.

Leviticus, if a man lies with another man they shall surely be put to death, thier blood shall be upon them. Or some such tripe.

Not only do you kill the fags, but it's their fault.

Leviticus, if a man lies with another man they shall surely be put to death, thier blood shall be upon them. Or some such tripe.

Not only do you kill the fags, but it's their fault.

What i'm wondering, is why god just doesnt simply make it impossible for homosexuality to occur. Whether to make it physically impossible, or just make it so that no one ever even thinks about it. He made us in his own image, so he must be a little gay himself, and just denying it

So you are probably the best person currently to be able to answer the OP.

Why would you hate yourself enough to be and anti-gay gay?

Sorry, the filtering thing isn't letting my responses post.

Honestly, I was trying to argue on F&G's terms. The sex part was probably added by fag enablers. Don't take it personal. However, interesting site for multiple translations.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019:4-5;&version=15;

You can specify verse by verse and a bunch of different texts and languages.

Don't worry, I wasn't taking it personally. Interesting that the ones you quote that seem to use more directly specific terms for sex are all "New" translations... sort of makes my point for me.

Leviticus, if a man lies with another man they shall surely be put to death, thier blood shall be upon them. Or some such tripe.

Not only do you kill the fags, but it's their fault.

Tripe indeed. And also another passage open to misinterpretation. Personally, I believe that it was not so much an injunction against homosexuality as one against non-reproducing members of the tribe. Other passages that support this include the one about not spilling your seed on the ground, and the one that says a man must not only marry his dead brother's widow, but make her pregnant as well. For the early Israelites, reproduction was vital to tribal survival, and the best way to get all your primative members on the same page is to slap a "God said so" label on it.

Sorry, the filtering thing isn't letting my responses post.

Your postcount is too low. Just keep trying, or put a few over in Spam (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=29). There isn't really a content filter AFAIK.

Don't worry, I wasn't taking it personally. Interesting that the ones you quote that seem to use more directly specific terms for sex are all "New" translations... sort of makes my point for me.

Hey, it's pretty evident from that evidence.

Your postcount is too low. Just keep trying, or put a few over in Spam (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=29). There isn't really a content filter AFAIK.

AFAIK?

With Senator Craig being just the latest example, why are so many anti-gay activists actually gay? It seems its almost a requirement: to be against gay marriage, one must blow a stranger in a bathroom stall. Your thoughts?
It's called internalized homophobia, and is present mostly in older men or people who were brought up in a very strict, close-minded, homophobic entourage.

Basically, gay persons are no different than anybody else. Prejudice and stereotypes are ingrained in children starting from a young age, in a way that often makes it deeply ingrained in someone before even adolescence kicks in.

In other words, some people are homophobes before their puberty, and might fight with their natural orientation for quite some time or even their whole life because of that profound homophobia. They try to deny their attraction to the same sex as them because they irrationally think it's wrong, and will often marry out of fear of being discovered or out of societal pressure.

However, a normal human being can only fight against its own nature and lie to itself for so long. And so, a lot of closeted, self-hating gay men married to a women end up cheating up on their spouse with a man because they really are attracted to men, not women.

This is especially a big problem, because not only does it foster a lot of broken marriages(and broken hearts, no doubt) but those men also are more prone to having dangerous sexual behavior, like anonymous encounters (bathroom sex like the senator) or unprotected sex. Or both, which is even worse, and very self-destructive, bringing increased chances of being infected by STDs.

In other words, better foster a climate of tolerance, acceptance and welcoming of sexual diversity so these people can live their orientation more openly and thus more healthily. Gay people who have no issues with their sexual orientation and do not live in fear of prejudice live perfectly normal, healthy, fulfilled lives.

It is possible that Craig's repulsive choice to be a homo-sexual eventually became so overwhelmingly repugnant, even to him, that he staunchly decried such immoral behavioral deficiencies. I would theorize that many people who have chosen to be homo-sexual are so appalled by the lifestyle that they feel the need to protect others from going down that very same dismal path.

...or...

Maybe because its a pretty good cover.;)

With Senator Craig being just the latest example, why are so many anti-gay activists actually gay? It seems its almost a requirement: to be against gay marriage, one must blow a stranger in a bathroom stall. Your thoughts?

Hows this new? It's called self-hatred. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hatred

I'll try to make a serious contribution, though I still feel the urge to be an ass.

Perhaps gay homophobia-enablers actually love their problem. As Skaladora so eloquently said, homophobia is instilled before a person even suspects that they are gay. If they keep the homophobia, the conflict becomes a major part of their identity ...

So by promoting the practice of homophobia in others, they are seeking validation of their own personality. Perhaps their proselytizing is directed exactly where it appears to be: at other gays.
They don't want other gays to miss out on the wonderful experience of self-hatred and self-suppression. They are trying to help, really they are. :rolleyes:

They really ought to seek therapy when the problem first comes up, when they first suspect that they might be gay. But there's no telling some people.

It is possible that Craig's repulsive choice to be a homo-sexual eventually became so overwhelmingly repugnant, even to him, that he staunchly decried such immoral behavioral deficiencies. I would theorize that many people who have chosen to be homo-sexual are so appalled by the lifestyle that they feel the need to protect others from going down that very same dismal path.

The fact your name is FAG says everything

by the way *looks around* have any plans tonight? :cool:

It is possible that Craig's repulsive choice to be a homo-sexual eventually became so overwhelmingly repugnant, even to him, that he staunchly decried such immoral behavioral deficiencies. I would theorize that many people who have chosen to be homo-sexual are so appalled by the lifestyle that they feel the need to protect others from going down that very same dismal path.

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/exploding-head.gif

What a shame. I was looking forward to hearing LG's input, but he seems to have suffered some kind of malfunction early in the process of reading the thread.

Any chance you have a backup system for that failed unit, LG ?

I find it amazing that so many people can even find the verse in Leviticus that everyone quotes to prove "gay people are going to hell". And I'm convinced that the people who yell this loudest have never actually read the book it comes from.
Other hell-worthy offenses, from Leviticus, include: having sex with, or as, a menstrating woman, disfiguring one's beard, tattoos, eating anything you hunt with dogs, or entering a church within a month or giving birth (two, if you had the bad graces to give birth to a girl).
The funny thing is, the last time I mentioned any of these to the average Bible-thumper, they told me they didn't apply, because they were Old Testament.
It's a strange religion.

Just a little drive-by modding ...

Markeliopia, in some contexts, calling Freedom and Glory FAG is just an abbreviation (though F&G or FaG would avoid it altogether). In others, it's flaming. This is one of the others. Stop now.

Ioryw, AFAIK means As Far As I Know. Google "netspeak" for others. And here's (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511849) the detail on why your posts weren't appearing.

In the unlikely event that anyone's thinking of complaining that Lunatic Goofballs has posted violent/threatening/whatever pics, please wait until I stop laughing.

Thank you for your valued custom, have a nice day. *drives off*

:headbang:

Move over a bit, I like to join you !:headbang:

it is nearly always that the one that makes the most noise, is the one that has most to hide. A very known fact in the police investigation techniques, the on that makes himself most visible through his/her wish to exceedingly trying to be helpful, is the one that knows more than they let on.

D'oh. I had actually wred that (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511849) Fris post on the new user filter. GET AOL ON YOUR NEW NOKIA! SPECIAL OFFER FOR ONE DAY ONLY --

*slaps self*

The only detail I retained with any accuracy a few months later, was the 10 posts thing. And noobs, don't use the Spam forum ... you'll never come back!

Saying that you can choose to be homosexual is as ignorant as saying that FAG chose to be an idiot.

What a shame. I was looking forward to hearing LG's input, but he seems to have suffered some kind of malfunction early in the process of reading the thread.

Any chance you have a backup system for that failed unit, LG ?

I heal quickly. :P

I actually talked about this a bit in my thread on the same subject:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536776

The gist of my opinion is that people like Senator Craig suffer from repressed sexuality. Instead of perfectly normal experimentation in his youth, he now bangs strange men in airport toilet stalls when he's not busy bashing gays.

As for FaG's take on his, I'd like to point out that the first step to getting help for a 'problem' is admitting you have one. It's hardly atonement for so-called sins if you're still engaging in those sins. :p

You don't see many drunks talking about the evils of alchoholism. ;)

((Note: I'm not in any way endorsing the sociopathic opinion that homosexuality is either sinful or a sickness)).

In the unlikely event that anyone's thinking of complaining that Lunatic Goofballs has posted violent/threatening/whatever pics, please wait until I stop laughing.

This is exactly why I'm so rarely moderated. ;)

With Senator Craig being just the latest example, why are so many anti-gay activists actually gay? It seems its almost a requirement: to be against gay marriage, one must blow a stranger in a bathroom stall. Your thoughts?

Just listen to them. "Gay marriage is a threat to straight marriage!" The only way that other people being gay is a threat to your own sexuality is if you really want to be straight and know, deep down, that your own sexuality is such a tenuous illusion the slightest temptation will force you to admit that you are attracted to your own gender.

Basically, it's called homophobia not because they are afraid of homosexuals. It's because they're afraid that they themselves are gay. That's why when real straight guys get hit on by guys they say, "no thanks. I'm straight," but hard core closet cases shout, "get the fuck away from me! I'm not a fagot! I should kick your ass!" If a politician is making a career out of homophobia, odds are good he's gay and in denial.

Tripe indeed. And also another passage open to misinterpretation. Personally, I believe that it was not so much an injunction against homosexuality as one against non-reproducing members of the tribe. Other passages that support this include the one about not spilling your seed on the ground, and the one that says a man must not only marry his dead brother's widow, but make her pregnant as well. For the early Israelites, reproduction was vital to tribal survival, and the best way to get all your primative members on the same page is to slap a "God said so" label on it.

Hence those who are the more 'progressive' branches tend to associate those with cultural norms rather than any binding directived given by god to his people.

Same thing happened in Turkey in the Ottoman Empire; many of the rulers would have wives merely to produce an heir to the throne, but for slap 'n tickle they would have a man friend :)

LG used the expression "bashing gays." A, like, light-bulb came on in the hothouse of my strobe-lit, disco imagination.

How about if the good Senator is in fact not gay. How about if he knows the secret footsie because he has solicited gay sex over and over again ...

*resists a range of silly jokes about sexual incompetence*

... in order to entrap gay men into a "I beat the crap out of you when you have your pants down" relationship, possibly involving some of the good Senator's hired goons?

Perhaps he's been doing it for years, is fully prepared for the "I've got you on cameraphone" and "actually, that IS a gun in my pocket" defence, but the "I'm a police officer and I am placing you under arrest" spiel kind of ... caught him off guard?

... thus accounting for the guilty plea in the hope it would "just go away" (i.e. no jail term), the Senator's record of voting against hate crimes encompassing "on the basis of sexuality" and his avowed un-gayness.

In other words, is it possible that the .ood Senator is just a plain-out homophobe, a criminal who beats up gays for his personal satisfaction, quite aside from the disproportionate power he holds to legislate their lives?

It it worth noting that although the Senator avows not to be gay, he has not AFAIK claimed to be straight. Sure, he has kids, but I want to see pictures of them before I'll venture an opinion as to whether he even fucked his wife, let alone whether he enjoyed it.

But there, I venture into the realms of stuff which really isn't the business of the public. Let us leave the poor fellow some trace of privacy.

The sweetest note of all to my conspiracy symphony is this: Mr Larry Craig may not in fact be gay, quite plainly refuting post #2 at the "initial assumption" stage (a win in any debate, with or without clothing in any public convenience in the whole wide universe.)

You want to believe. You know you do. Now go find me some evidence :D

Just listen to them. "Gay marriage is a threat to straight marriage!" The only way that other people being gay is a threat to your own sexuality is if you really want to be straight and know, deep down, that your own sexuality is such a tenuous illusion the slightest temptation will force you to admit that you are attracted to your own gender.

Quoted for epic truth.

AFAIK?
It's what the Aflac Duck says when he's caught a cold.

Arg...when will people figure out why closeted gay men want to keep homosexuality under the rug and make it taboo? It's for the same reason that men who screwed black women in the 50s wanted to keep interracial marriage out of the limelight, people.

It's more fun to do something forbidden. Plain and simple.

If we make everything OK, the feeling of "forbidden love" is gone. Or forbidden whatever-the-hell Larry Craig did.

It wouldn't surprise me if Fred Phelps nailed a few guys in his day. Not that I really need that mental image or anything, but it's entirely possible. That or he just really enjoys being an asshole.

As for what the Bible says about homosexuality...I believe Jesus did away with the whole "put the gay folk to death" thing and simplified the Law. He said "abstain from unlawful marriage," which could mean just about anything. Frankly, the loophole for that is for governments not to allow marriage of any kind. Which is something they really should actively consider.

Unless the closeted homosexuals in Congress are insistent on banning all homosexual thought so what they do is that much more fun.

It is possible that Craig's repulsive choice to be a homo-sexual eventually became so overwhelmingly repugnant, even to him, that he staunchly decried such immoral behavioral deficiencies. I would theorize that many people who have chosen to be homo-sexual are so appalled by the lifestyle that they feel the need to protect others from going down that very same dismal path.

How does one choose to be gay?

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Someone does not choose to be gay anymore than they choose to be straight.

The number of self-loathing homosexuals has a lot less to do with "repenting for their disgusting lifestyle" and more to do with having the idea that they are not allowed to be themselves drilled into their heads by self-righteous bigots like FreedomandGlory and Fleckenstein who pretend to be Christians while not knowing a thing about Christianity besides its supposed hatred of homosexuals, and are very likely self-loathing homosexuals themselves.

Do you condemn with such vehemence men who shave their beards or eat pork, or women who enter a church less than a month after having a baby? Or do you just pick the few parts of the Bible that you can twist into supporting your own agenda?

Before you throw the Bible at someone else, maybe you should try actually reading it for once.

How does one choose to be gay?

It's sorta like with the new reincarnation application office in China; you'll have to make the decision, then submit the Application (three copies, you may keep the pastel green one for your own records) to the International Bureau of Fagdom, and if you're lucky and met the right officials in the right stalls at the right time with the right amount of cash placed conveniently into the other's hand, you willl have your mind switched by midnight next day.