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British Muslims will hold their own version of the Live 8 concerts to highlight the humanitarian crisis in Sudan's Darfur region. Its aim is to raise awareness of the situation among Britain's 1.5 million Muslims.

[...] "It will be people trying to raise funds and raise the profile. We should hopefully see a sell-out and it will be a milestone."

[...] A Muslim delegation, backed by Britain's Foreign Office, recently travelled to Darfur to talk to victims of the violence and refugees as well as tribal leaders and government officials.

The party said that with the exception of Malaysia, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, Muslim countries had been slow to react to the Darfur crisis compared with some Western nations, including the United States and Britain.

The editor of the Muslim magazine Q News, Fareena Alam, told a London news conference: "It is very shameful that we (Muslims) can get very, very hot and bothered about other issues.

"There is a lot of information about Darfur. There is no doubt this is Muslim-on-Muslim violence. In Iraq the enemy is externalised.

"This is a thorny issue for us and it is clear that we have to do more. It is a challenge for us because people are highly motivated and get highly charged in other areas, and we need to do considerably more."

The United Nations has estimated that at least 200,000 people have been killed and more than two million displaced by the combined effect of war and famine since civil conflict erupted in Darfur four-and-a-half years ago.


(source (http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/news/culture/20070820-british-muslims-darfur-charity-concert-live-8.html))

Good for them. I wouldn't want this news to be marginalised. It's so much easier for idiots to indulge in Muslim-bashing when this goes unnoticed. I hope their concert is a success.

Oh. Cool.

Sometimes it takes the right sort of people to raise awareness about something. This sorta reminds me of the Axis Of Evil Comedy Tour I recently heard about on NPR (they were cracking me up) and was just telling someone else about. Its not just about entertaining people and making money, but why no do so as you are raising awareness that middle easterners actually do have a sense of humor? :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kybUV9pIkXQ&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kybUV9pIkXQ&mode=related&search=

Not bad. :D

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e142/leftyflecken/LOLPrez/mQNRqPwZOM_tony_pa.jpg

"People want to be good, but not too good, and not all of the time."

That pretty much settles up the world's view on genocide.

Not worth a penny of Britain's money. We should not have to play arbiter in foreign affairs.

Not worth a penny of Britain's money. We should not have to play arbiter in foreign affairs.

Let's all remember that the next time Britain would like some help from other nations.

So why arent they holding concerts against terrorism? Britain is currently under high risk, there were recent incidents, all involving "British" muslims.

Not worth a penny of Britain's money. We should not have to play arbiter in foreign affairs.
It might sound callous of me but I agree with you. Whatever we do over Darfur we'll be hated. If we get involved we're imperialists, and if we don't we're uncaring. We need to stay out of other people's conflicts, look where getting involved has got us so far. Anyway, I wonder how many of those who are calling for intervention would be willing to fight there themselves....

As for this concert, it's all well and good but I wonder how many muslims will be involved in it as opposed to the amount who were up in arms over the mohammed cartoons thing.

Let's all remember that the next time Britain would like some help from other nations.
I doubt we'd get the help anyway, regardless of how we act. Besides, there's a world of difference between things like helping people after a natural disaster and getting involved in foreign wars.

I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13006707']We need to stay out of other people's conflicts, look where getting involved has got us so far.

Although in most cases this is true, there's some situations where its false. In Darfur, innocent civillians are getting killed from two different groups, and if that were to happen in the US or any western world country, and if that country began asking for help, the rest of the western world would respond. However, this isn't a western country. This is in Africa, which many places now consider a mess and a failure. Though they may be behind us technologically, we must still step in and stop the genocide in Darfur.

OFFTOPIC: wow i only have .12 posts per day... perhaps I should start posting more.

I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13006707']It might sound callous of me but I agree with you. Whatever we do over Darfur we'll be hated. If we get involved we're imperialists, and if we don't we're uncaring.

Maybe, but is that carte blanch to say "screw it all?"

The reason you might be hated is because of the extremely noxious anti-Muslim crowd, as represented here by TBC and Novo Magnus Germanian Aryan Pride.

I doubt we'd get the help anyway, regardless of how we act.

Um. Yeah. Because no one who is currently allied to Britain has ever helped (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease) Britain in the past, right.

But maybe times have changed and you no longer deserve it. Maybe now instead of defending the UK against Nazism, it's a question of defending the rest of the world against British Nazism. (http://www.bnp.org.uk/)

We should not have to play arbiter in foreign affairs.

Probably should have thought of that before creating and dismantling a global empire then...

Muslims holding a concert to help Muslims.. what's the big surprise?

I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13006707']

As for this concert, it's all well and good but I wonder how many muslims will be involved in it as opposed to the amount who were up in arms over the mohammed cartoons thing.


Well, if thats the much pictured march with the ranting and calling for beheading, 41 or more would better the total.

Maybe, but is that carte blanch to say "screw it all?"
I've had enough with Britain getting dragged into other people's conflicts, particularly when we only get hostility from it afterwards. The rest of the world seems to want us out of their conflicts, let's give them their wish.

The reason you might be hated is because of the extremely noxious anti-Muslim crowd, as represented here by TBC and Novo Magnus Germanian Aryan Pride.
A few cranks on an internet forum, wow.

Um. Yeah. Because no one who is currently allied to Britain has ever helped (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease) Britain in the past, right.
As you said yourself times have changed. I won't be judging the current situation on the actions of people generations ago.

But maybe times have changed and you no longer deserve it. Maybe now instead of defending the UK against Nazism, it's a question of defending the rest of the world against British Nazism. (http://www.bnp.org.uk/)
Get real, the way you're talking you'd think that the BNP are in power, or at least the main opposition party. It's a small party on the fringes of society and they have pretty much no hope of ever being a strong electoral force. The only thing they've ever been any good at is grabbing headlines. In the past the KKK had far more influence over American society (Particularly in the deep south) than the BNP has even come close to having in Britain.

Probably should have thought of that before creating and dismantling a global empire then...
Yeah, we should be so ashamed for that time we fought with the army to conquer land for the empire.... oh wait, we weren't even alive then! So screw that, I certainly won't put up with being held accountable for the actions of previous generations.

Well, if thats the much pictured march with the ranting and calling for beheading, 41 or more would better the total.
I think there were many more attending a 'moderate' protest over the cartoons a few days after that.

Yeah, we should be so ashamed for that time we fought with the army to conquer land for the empire.... oh wait, we weren't even alive then! So screw that, I certainly won't put up with being held accountable for the actions of previous generations.This argument drives me insane. Someone has to be held accountable for such things and, unfortunately, the people who should be are all dead so it falls to the country. Yes, sometimes, in fact oftentimes, you are held liable for the sins of your fathers. Grow the hell up and deal with it.

This argument drives me insane. Someone has to be held accountable for such things and, unfortunately, the people who should be are all dead so it falls to the country. Yes, sometimes, in fact oftentimes, you are held liable for the sins of your fathers. Grow the hell up and deal with it.
And your argument drives me insane. So if your father committed a crime without your knowledge but died before he could be brought to justice, I suppose you should then be sent to prison for it? If a criminal dies before being brought to justice, nobody is held to account. I think one thing that you need to deal with is that you can't always bring people to account for things, particularly if those responsible are long dead. Anything else is just looking for a scapegoat. But then that's what you whole argument is about - gotta find a scapegoat.

Also, I don't have to deal with it at all. If this country refuses to accept accountability for what happened in the past then the rights and wrongs of it are irrelevant - that's the end of it because there's nothing anybody else can do about it.

Let's all remember that the next time Britain would like some help from other nations.

Which will happen when? When are we likely to need help from bongo-bongo land?

Maybe, but is that carte blanch to say "screw it all?"

The reason you might be hated is because of the extremely noxious anti-Muslim crowd, as represented here by TBC and Novo Magnus Germanian Aryan Pride.



Um. Yeah. Because no one who is currently allied to Britain has ever helped (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease) Britain in the past, right.

But maybe times have changed and you no longer deserve it. Maybe now instead of defending the UK against Nazism, it's a question of defending the rest of the world against British Nazism. (http://www.bnp.org.uk/)

You mean that BNP who pushed the Monster Raving Loony Party and Respect so hard in the last General election? Nice one kid; as much as I try not to be too nasty, you truly are a fuckwit.

Probably should have thought of that before creating and dismantling a global empire then...
Shouldn't have dismantled it, to be honest.

Shouldn't have dismantled it, to be honest.
Two questions: why and how? I doubt we would have been able to keep policing a world empire long after the Second World War had we even wanted, or even had any advantage, from doing so. We might even have had an Algeria of our own.

Which will happen when? When are we likely to need help from bongo-bongo land?Being a racist is one thing, but being a stupid and ignorant racist is just completely unacceptable. You see, the derogatory term 'bongo-bongo land', is either referencing the Bongo Antelope of Central Africa or the Bongo drums which I think come from the same area, but definitely from sub-Saharan Africa.

Sudan, on the other hand is considered to be part of Northern Africa. If you wish to use a derogatory term to describe Sudan, please use an appropriate term. You really are just showing the rest of us Brits up. Bad form, young man.

Being a racist is one thing, but being a stupid and ignorant racist is just completely unacceptable. You see, the derogatory term 'bongo-bongo land', is either referencing the Bongo Antelope of Central Africa or the Bongo drums which I think come from the same area, but definitely from sub-Saharan Africa.

Sudan, on the other hand is considered to be part of Northern Africa. If you wish to use a derogatory term to describe Sudan, please use an appropriate term. You really are just showing the rest of us Brits up. Bad form, young man.

Jesus christ you people never watch Blackadder do you? :p

It might be inaccurate in regards to the Sudan itself, however, I was referring more to Africa as a single entity.

I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13007318']I've had enough with Britain getting dragged into other people's conflicts, particularly when we only get hostility from it afterwards. The rest of the world seems to want us out of their conflicts, let's give them their wish.

You seem to be trapped into thinking you can either a) DESTROY or b) IGNORE.

Naturally, the latter is a better option of the two. But those aren't the only options to consider.

A few cranks on an internet forum, wow.


Cranks you agree with. Apparently not that far-out as you would imply.

As you said yourself times have changed. I won't be judging the current situation on the actions of people generations ago.


Actions of people? No. Actions of states and governments and nations as obligated by treaties. Those treaties still exist, as do the states and governments. As such the US is still obligated to help the UK if the latter is threatened by war, for example.

Get real, the way you're talking you'd think that the BNP are in power, or at least the main opposition party. It's a small party on the fringes of society and they have pretty much no hope of ever being a strong electoral force. The only thing they've ever been any good at is grabbing headlines.

I'm sure one might have said the exact same things about early nazism.

In the past the KKK had far more influence over American society (Particularly in the deep south) than the BNP has even come close to having in Britain.

And how are you measuring influence here?

You mean that BNP who pushed the Monster Raving Loony Party and Respect so hard in the last General election? Nice one kid; as much as I try not to be too nasty, you truly are a fuckwit.

Oh no. You called me a nasty word because you're inept at debate. And some teenage brit fascist calls me "kid" in a transparent attempt at appearing superior. Online! Oh, oh, the horror!

Concession accepted.

Jesus christ you people never watch Blackadder do you? :p

It might be inaccurate in regards to the Sudan itself, however, I was referring more to Africa as a single entity.Oh, I thought you were quoting Alan Clark. A Boris Johnson-type-figure. Some one I thought you might idolise.

Oh, I thought you were quoting Alan Clark. A Boris Johnson-type-figure. Some one I thought you might idolise.

Oul Alan was a proper Tory. Not like these new "Sorry for being your social betters" watered down types....

I'm sure one might have said the exact same things about early nazism.


Seriously, the BNP are not a threat. The BNP have lasted a lot longer without getting anywhere then the Nazis did, who got to power very quickly.

Seriously, the BNP are not a threat. The BNP have lasted a lot longer without getting anywhere then the Nazis did, who got to power very quickly.

Does it really matter how long it takes for a movement to grow? Like once it's beyond a certain amount of time it won't ever start? All it needs are the right conditions. Anyway, the BNP is only a representative of the type of bigotry I was talking about, they're certainly not the only ones.

Oul Alan was a proper Tory. Not like these new "Sorry for being your social betters" watered down types....Racist to boot as well. However, Old Tory sounds like a proper description of him.

I remember once upon a time the West did intervene in an (ostensibly) Islamic country to prevent human rights abuses. A war which was promptly criticised as a War on Islam.

I remember once upon a time the West did intervene in an (ostensibly) Islamic country to prevent human rights abuses. A war which was promptly criticised as a War on Islam.Yes, but that was only the West intervening. It's a bit hard to describe an intervention as a war on Islam when the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques is also involved in such intervention.

Until the residents of the Darfur region begin paying taxes to the United States government, or start attacking us, it is not the government's duty to involve the US taxpayers' money. This is made very clear in the Constitution.

Which will happen when? When are we likely to need help from bongo-bongo land?

I heard some where Mansa Musa gave charities to Europe back when Europe was all crazy... Of course Mali is on the west coast

Africans brought Europe Civilization (when a Greek says Ethiopian they are talking about people in the Sudan)

http://www.asante.net/citypress/july2004.html

So it's like returning the favor IMO. Espicilly since the west wouldn't ammount to anything without the free labor Africans gave us ;)

I heard some where Mansa Musa gave charities to Europe back when Europe was all crazy... Of course Mali is on the west coast

Africans brought Europe Civilization (when a Greek says Ethiopian they are talking about people in the Sudan)

http://www.asante.net/citypress/july2004.html



LMAO...Sure...

LMAO...Sure...Nothing is stronger than the power of denial, right? Seems to work just fine for government bodies.

LMAO...Sure...


You can check a copy of Herodotus’ history, he does say in book two paragraph 104 that Egyptians are black with wooly hair, so I know that parts true

Jesus christ you people never watch Blackadder do you? :p

It might be inaccurate in regards to the Sudan itself, however, I was referring more to Africa as a single entity.


The Africa that produced Nelson Mandela whose noble visage now looks over parliament square? That one?

I heard some where Mansa Musa gave charities to Europe back when Europe was all crazy... Of course Mali is on the west coast

Africans brought Europe Civilization (when a Greek says Ethiopian they are talking about people in the Sudan)

http://www.asante.net/citypress/july2004.html

So it's like returning the favor IMO. Espicilly since the west wouldn't ammount to anything without the free labor Africans gave us ;)

The cradle of "western civilisation" was Mesopatamia insofar as it was any individual location. Hence, said axiom is false.

Incidentally, I would have you learn to spell before bothering me with a post. How much effort does it take to write "in my opinion" or "especially"?

The cradle of "western civilisation" was Mesopatamia insofar as it was any individual location. Hence, said axiom is false.

Incidentally, I would have you learn to spell before bothering me with a post. How much effort does it take to write "in my opinion" or "especially"?

How much effort does it take to write "Mesopotamia?"

M-E-S-O-P-O-T-A-M-I-A.

Before you go spitting out nonsense pseudo-erudite phrases like "insofar" and "hence" and criticizing spelling mistakes (IMO is an abbreviation, not a lack of ability to spell, BTW) you might want to correct your own spelling.

;)

The cradle of "western civilisation" was Mesopatamia insofar as it was any individual location. Hence, said axiom is false.


I didn't say Egypt was the cradle of Civilization, but it is a fact Europeans (Greeks) traveled to Egypt to study

Mesopotamia prospered before anything in Europe

Yay me getting off subject :p

"Many who are celebrated among the Greeks for intelligence and learning, ventured to Egypt in olden times, that they might partake of the customs, and sample the teachings there. For the priests of Egypt cite from their records in the holy books that in the former times they were visited by Orpheus and Musaeus, Melampos, Daedalos, besides the poet Homer, Lycurgus the Spartan, Solon the Athenian, and Plato the philosopher, Pythagoras of Samos and the mathematician Eudoxos, as well as Democritus of Abdera and Oenopides of Chios, also came there.”

-Diodorus, Greek historian (63BC-14AD)

How much effort does it take to write "Mesopotamia?"

M-E-S-O-P-O-T-A-M-I-A.

Before you go spitting out nonsense pseudo-erudite phrases like "insofar" and "hence" and criticizing spelling mistakes (IMO is an abbreviation, not a lack of ability to spell, BTW) you might want to correct your own spelling.

;)

I seem to recall him saying something about wanting to write or going to work for the Telegraph. Presumably once he gets "immigrant" "Euro-phile", and "deported" right, hes in and need not bother with the rest.

How much effort does it take to write "Mesopotamia?"

M-E-S-O-P-O-T-A-M-I-A.

Before you go spitting out nonsense pseudo-erudite phrases like "insofar" and "hence" and criticizing spelling mistakes (IMO is an abbreviation, not a lack of ability to spell, BTW) you might want to correct your own spelling.

;)You know a poster is fighting a losing battle, and that they know it, when they start commenting on minor spelling mistakes, typos, or general grammar.

I didn't say Egypt was the cradle of Civilization, but it is a fact Europeans (Greeks) traveled to Egypt to study

Mesopotamia prospered before anything in Europe

Yay me getting off subject :p

"Many who are celebrated among the Greeks for intelligence and learning, ventured to Egypt in olden times, that they might partake of the customs, and sample the teachings there. For the priests of Egypt cite from their records in the holy books that in the former times they were visited by Orpheus and Musaeus, Melampos, Daedalos, besides the poet Homer, Lycurgus the Spartan, Solon the Athenian, and Plato the philosopher, Pythagoras of Samos and the mathematician Eudoxos, as well as Democritus of Abdera and Oenopides of Chios, also came there.”

-Diodorus, Greek historian (63BC-14AD)

Three points; - firstly, the veracity of this is dubious at best.
- even if one does take it as an axiom that is correct, it by no means precludes celebrated Greeks from having also travelled to Mesopotamia.
- the similarities between ancient Egypt and classical Greece are minimal. Though the development of Athenian statuary confirms a cultural influence, Pharaoic Egypt was a unified, beaurocratic state which remained essentially stagnant for several millenia. By contrast, such was the progressive, fractious, febrile nature of the classical Greek city states that they are now deemed the epitome of the modern, erudite, progressive society.

You know a poster is fighting a losing battle, and that they know it, when they start commenting on minor spelling mistakes, typos, or general grammar.

I have right to depend proper English.

I have right to depend proper English.

You mean either "depend on" or "defend."

Gosh you're funny. USE PROPR SPELLIN IDJOTZ LOL!

I have right to depend proper English.Not when such defence is entirely off topic. Nor should you have a right to defend 'proper' English with improper English.

I think he did that on purpose you know, as a joke. Chillax.

Oh, right, a joke.

What's the punchline? Himself?

You mean either "depend on" or "defend."

Gosh you're funny. USE PROPR SPELLIN IDJOTZ LOL!

I think he did that on purpose you know, as a joke. Chillax.

I think he did that on purpose you know, as a joke. Chillax.

He wouldn't know how to. This is the poster who admitted he doesn't see any point in posting purely for fun; he's a terribly serious debater you know?:)

I think he did that on purpose you know, as a joke. Chillax.What? Just like tbc is casually racist. He's just having a bit of a joke, bit of a laugh.

He wouldn't know how to. This is the poster who admitted he doesn't see any point in posting purely for fun

Oh? When was that? You can just link to that post where I said that. I'll wait.

Go on. Find that post where I "admitted" that. Shouldn't be too hard for a bright bulb such as yourself, should it?

Although in most cases this is true, there's some situations where its false. In Darfur, innocent civillians are getting killed from two different groups, and if that were to happen in the US or any western world country, and if that country began asking for help, the rest of the western world would respond. However, this isn't a western country. This is in Africa, which many places now consider a mess and a failure. Though they may be behind us technologically, we must still step in and stop the genocide in Darfur.


Thing is, if anyone did they'd have to pick a side, which would end in the blood shed escalating. Besides, its not our fault nor were we involved in what caused it, so why worry unless they suddenly decide one of the major western powers needs "ethnic cleansing", even then, they couldn't do much.

Oh? When was that? You can just link to that post where I said that. I'll wait.

Go on. Find that post where I "admitted" that. Shouldn't be too hard for a bright bulb such as yourself, should it?

I tell you what; I'll use the self-same argument you employ. I can't be bothered to rifle through the rabid, unconsidered list of posts you have.

As soon as you stop throwing the label "racist", "nazi" or "facist" about like a custard pie on "Dick and Dom in da Bungalow", and find a source for such accusations, I'll do the same.

I tell you what; I'll use the self-same argument you employ. I can't be bothered to rifle through the rabid, unconsidered list of posts you have.

Oh, and when have I made that argument? My my, it's amazing how many things you imagine me to have said.

As soon as you stop throwing the label "racist", "nazi" or "facist" about like a custard pie on "Dick and Dom in da Bungalow", and find a source for such accusations, I'll do the same.

I don't need a "source" in order to call you a racist, nazi or fascist, because I am not quoting you but rather analyzing your political and social views. You however, were quoting me by saying I "admitted" something rather specific, so you would indeed need to find that "admission" in order to support the veracity of your claim.

However, you aren't, so I accept your concession that you pulled it out of your ass. You might have wiped first.

(By the way, you misspelled "fascist" - you murderer of Proper English, you.)

;)

What? Just like tbc is casually racist. He's just having a bit of a joke, bit of a laugh.

He isn't to his knowledge. Not that any of you will pay the slightest heed, but my elitism is cultural, not racial.

Oh, and when have I made that argument? My my, it's amazing how many things you imagine me to have said.



I don't need a "source" in order to call you a racist, nazi or fascist, because I am not quoting you but rather analyzing your political and social views. You however, were quoting me by saying I "admitted" something rather specific, so you would indeed need to find that "admission" in order to support the veracity of your claim.

However, you aren't, so I accept your concession that you pulled it out of your ass. You might have wiped first.

(By the way, you misspelled "fascist" - you murderer of Proper English, you.)

;)

I simply reiterate my last post. I have neither the time nor inclination to rifle through your posts, and given that I'm probably more intelligent than you, with a better memory, I'll simply back myself. That you happen to be lying, or simply unable to recall what you post, is of no great interest to me.

I simply reiterate my last post.

You mean the one I just ass-raped?

Good call - mindless repetition just might be a good enough argument. Unless you have a purely ad hominem fallacy to spew...

I have neither the time nor inclination to rifle through your posts, and given that I'm probably more intelligent than you, with a better memory, I'll simply back myself. That you happen to be lying, or simply unable to recall what you post, is of no great interest to me.

...oh, you do! How precious.

I accept your concession, sweetheart.

Which will happen when? When are we likely to need help from bongo-bongo land?Since you profess to elitism, perhaps it is best you do not make jokes that are elitist in their nature. It is like an BNP member calling a Jew 'Yid'. It just isn't funny.

He isn't to his knowledge. Not that any of you will pay the slightest heed, but my elitism is cultural, not racial.Never talk about yourself in the third person. It is one of the worst forms of egotism. In fact most of what you post is unabashed egotism and narcissism.

But anyway, your cultural elitism is little better than racism. You have no concern for anyone who is not like you. You would make someone purge themselves of everything that makes them them before you would accept them as an equal.

Since you profess to elitism, perhaps it is best you do not make jokes that are elitist in their nature. It is like an BNP member calling a Jew 'Yid'. It just isn't funny.

Coincidentally, TBC here is a supporter of the BNP.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10777645&postcount=9

But we're pretending they're neither racist nor fascist, just like we're pretending TBC doesn't make a fool of himself by correcting other people's alleged lack of spelling capability with his own inept spelling attempts.

Since you profess to elitism, perhaps it is best you do not make jokes that are elitist in their nature. It is like an BNP member calling a Jew 'Yid'. It just isn't funny.

Never talk about yourself in the third person. It is one of the worst forms of egotism. In fact most of what you post is unabashed egotism and narcissism.

But anyway, your cultural elitism is little better than racism. You have no concern for anyone who is not like you. You would make someone purge themselves of everything that makes them them before you would accept them as an equal.

Egotism and narcissism? The former is true at least.

The rest is not broadly correct; much as I don't care for surrounding myself with anything boring, tedious, commonplace or uninteresting, I accept differences and disagreements provided they don't represent an intractable divide.

Coincidentally, TBC here is a supporter of the BNP.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10777645&postcount=9

But we're pretending they're neither racist nor fascist, just like we're pretending TBC doesn't make a fool of himself by correcting other people's alleged lack of spelling capability with his own inept spelling attempts.

UKIP voter moron. And I happen to know I've stated as much many times.

UKIP voter moron.

You are saying that you are a UKIP voter moron?

Or did you mean to call me a moron? If so, proper English demands that you add a comma after "voter." You wouldn't want to be using unintelligible English. One might have to deport (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10777698&postcount=14) you back to whatever nation of morons you apparently come from.

You are saying that you are a UKIP voter moron?

Or did you mean to call me a moron? If so, proper English demands that you add a comma after "voter." You wouldn't want to be using unintelligible English. One might have to deport (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10777698&postcount=14) you back to whatever nation of morons you apparently come from.

Clearly. You appreciated the meaning immediatly.

Clearly. You appreciated the meaning immediatly.

I'm pretty adept at understanding idiocy.

(By the way, the correct spelling is "immediately." Proper English!)

I'm pretty adept at understanding idiocy.

(By the way, the correct spelling is "immediately." Proper English!)

The above, of course, coming from the poster who attested to greater maturity earlier in the thread....:rolleyes:

The above, of course, coming from the poster who attested to greater maturity earlier in the thread....:rolleyes:

I said that? Where? Oh that's right - you're just far too pressed for time to search through even this one thread.

Given how little time you have, I'm amazed you have time to post at all!

I said that? Where? Oh that's right - you're just far too pressed for time to search through even this one thread.

Given how little time you have, I'm amazed you have time to post at all!

"Oh no. You called me a nasty word because you're inept at debate. And some teenage brit fascist calls me "kid" in a transparent attempt at appearing superior. Online! Oh, oh, the horror!"

By inference (not, I might note, a skill you seem to possess when it doen't suit), it is manifestly obvious that you consider yourself more mature than myself.

"Oh no. You called me a nasty word because you're inept at debate. And some teenage brit fascist calls me "kid" in a transparent attempt at appearing superior. Online! Oh, oh, the horror!"

By inference (not, I might note, a skill you seem to possess when it doen't suit), it is manifestly obvious that you consider yourself more mature than myself.

Calling you a teenager is a statement of fact.

But I'm not going to argue with you about who's more mature, any more than I need to argue that you're not old enough to call me a "kid." It's much more fun just to keep humiliating you with your own tactic of correcting spelling and grammar.

(By the way, it's spelled "doesn't.")

Egotism and narcissism? The former is true at least.

The rest is not broadly correct; much as I don't care for surrounding myself with anything boring, tedious, commonplace or uninteresting, I accept differences and disagreements provided they don't represent an intractable divide.So you consider anything different to yourself; boring or tedious or commonplace or uninteresting? How enlightened. I'm sure you'll do well at university.

I had a look at the thread in which Greater Trostia quoted you from.

- You claim that the vast majority of immigrants do not understand English, let alone speak English - taking no care to distinguish between immigrants and refugees.

- You state that the assertion of a British Race is true. How this ties in with your cultural elitism I do not know.

- You agree with the principle of resettlement of all non-white minorities to the country of their racial origin.

- You advocate the use of pain in the removal of illegal immigrants.

- You agree with not giving foreign aid to countries hit by natural disasters.

And that's all in the space of one thread.

So you consider anything different to yourself; boring or tedious or commonplace or uninteresting? How enlightened. I'm sure you'll do well at university.

I had a look at the thread in which Greater Trostia quoted you from.

- You claim that the vast majority of immigrants do not understand English, let alone speak English - taking no care to distinguish between immigrants and refugees.

- You state that the assertion of a British Race is true. How this ties in with your cultural elitism I do not know.

- You agree with the principle of resettlement of all non-white minorities to the country of their racial origin.

- You advocate the use of pain in the removal of illegal immigrants.

- You agree with not giving foreign aid to countries hit by natural disasters.

And that's all in the space of one thread.

And yet I'm the supposedly immature "fuckwit" for calling this set of beliefs "fascist" or "racist..."

So you consider anything different to yourself; boring or tedious or commonplace or uninteresting? How enlightened. I'm sure you'll do well at university.

I had a look at the thread in which Greater Trostia quoted you from.

- You claim that the vast majority of immigrants do not understand English, let alone speak English - taking no care to distinguish between immigrants and refugees.

- You state that the assertion of a British Race is true. How this ties in with your cultural elitism I do not know.

- You agree with the principle of resettlement of all non-white minorities to the country of their racial origin.

- You advocate the use of pain in the removal of illegal immigrants.

- You agree with not giving foreign aid to countries hit by natural disasters.

And that's all in the space of one thread.

Dear o dear. Thats the kind of thing that assuages my guilt over lambasting the young twit......

Although in most cases this is true, there's some situations where its false. In Darfur, innocent civillians are getting killed from two different groups, and if that were to happen in the US or any western world country, and if that country began asking for help, the rest of the western world would respond. However, this isn't a western country. This is in Africa, which many places now consider a mess and a failure. Though they may be behind us technologically, we must still step in and stop the genocide in Darfur.

OFFTOPIC: wow i only have .12 posts per day... perhaps I should start posting more.

Do you know much about the American civil war? Innocent people were dying on both sides. Was what the North did a for of genocide, they burned 1,000's of towns to the ground and destroyed the way of life of the people of the South.

Do you know much about the American civil war? Innocent people were dying on both sides. Was what the North did a for of genocide, they burned 1,000's of towns to the ground and destroyed the way of life of the people of the South.

Thats just terrible. They can't own slaves any more?....O the Humanity!!!!!!!

So you consider anything different to yourself; boring or tedious or commonplace or uninteresting? How enlightened. I'm sure you'll do well at university.

I had a look at the thread in which Greater Trostia quoted you from.

- You claim that the vast majority of immigrants do not understand English, let alone speak English - taking no care to distinguish between immigrants and refugees.

- You state that the assertion of a British Race is true. How this ties in with your cultural elitism I do not know.

- You agree with the principle of resettlement of all non-white minorities to the country of their racial origin.

- You advocate the use of pain in the removal of illegal immigrants.

- You agree with not giving foreign aid to countries hit by natural disasters.

And that's all in the space of one thread.


In my defence, I've mellowed/ grown up a little since then. One tends to do as much at 17/18.

Incidentally, I'd say I'm not commonplace. Most people would as well; hardly my fault I'm capable of interests more varied and deep than who's winning x-factor is it?

Thing is, if anyone did they'd have to pick a side, which would end in the blood shed escalating. Besides, its not our fault nor were we involved in what caused it, so why worry unless they suddenly decide one of the major western powers needs "ethnic cleansing", even then, they couldn't do much.

I'll tell you why we should worry.

THEY'RE FRIGGIN HUMAN BEINGS!

We have a responsibility to help other people regardless of nationality. While a mess would likely result if the West would intervene in Iraq, it's better than GENOCIDE.

And I'm prepared to take a side. If we have to, we can support the rebels.

GO DARFUR REBELS! *\o/* *\o/* *\o/* *\o/*

I'll tell you why we should worry.

THEY'RE FRIGGIN HUMAN BEINGS!

We have a responsibility to help other people regardless of nationality. While a mess would likely result if the West would intervene in Iraq, it's better than GENOCIDE.

And I'm prepared to take a side. If we have to, we can support the rebels.

GO DARFUR REBELS! *\o/* *\o/* *\o/* *\o/*

erm.... no its not. For an overly emotive individual such as yourself, blundering into a precarious situation so as to save a few thousand lives might give you a warm tingly feeling, however, politically, it would simply alienate yet more of an already disaffected Islamic world.

As a good rule of thumb, it's safe to say that the world (That means English speaking nations and Western Europe) will only and I mean only attempt to prevent genocide when white people are the victims.

As a good rule of thumb, it's safe to say that the world (That means English speaking nations and Western Europe) will only and I mean only attempt to prevent genocide when white people are the victims.

The conflicts tend to be closer to home; Yugoslavia being the most pressing example, hence giving the western world a greater imperative to resolve the conflict, and frankly, such prudence is good to see.

I sincerely doubt Bush, Brown, Sarkozy, Merkel and company sit in a smoky room and cackle whilst abandoning the darkies in Darfur to their fate somehow.

In my defence, I've mellowed/ grown up a little since then. One tends to do as much at 17/18.


I'd say you haven't changed much at all.

It'd be awfully nice if people from countries that are parties to the Genocide Convention of 1948 stopped claiming that it's not their country's responsibility to prevent genocides.

I'll continue to accept such objections only from citizens of the 49 countries that are not parties to the Convention.

I'd say you haven't changed much at all.

Wonderful. Once you become somebody whose opinion I deem anything more than an amusement I'll take notice.

Wonderful. Once you become somebody whose opinion I deem anything more than an amusement I'll take notice.

No need. It's pretty clear how much you've changed from your pro-fascist, racist, bigoted little outlook to everyone else.

No need. It's pretty clear how much you've changed from your pro-fascist, racist, bigoted little outlook to everyone else.

Utter crap. Care to mention who this much vaunted "everybody else" is, and from where you got their opinion?

Utter crap. Care to mention who this much vaunted "everybody else" is

For one and most recently, The Infinite Dunes. He doesn't have it out for you, he was just capable of reading what you yourself wrote... and coming to the conclusion that is offered.

And anyone whose opinion I respect thinks you're a spoiled, bratty little snot strapping on some lederhosen in an attempt to seem dangerous and evil.

You're a joke.

For one and most recently, The Infinite Dunes. He doesn't have it out for you, he was just capable of reading what you yourself wrote... and coming to the conclusion that is offered.

And anyone whose opinion I respect thinks you're a spoiled, bratty little snot strapping on some lederhosen in an attempt to seem dangerous and evil.

You're a joke.

Hmmm, however, I seem to recall my quite reasonably pointing out I may have mellowed somewhat since then. Not that you, as ever, will give any such subtlety consideration; we'd rather attempt to appear the self-satisfied yet essentially vacuous left wing pseudo-intellectual.

Hmmm, however, I seem to recall my quite reasonably pointing out I may have mellowed somewhat since then.

Yes, and I seem to recall you in this very thread "pointing out" many, many incorrect things. Things with no basis in reality, and serving only to be a sounding board for your ridiculously insecure ego and your small minded views.

So we can just dismiss your face-saving blubberings for what they are.