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International Peace

Zilam
28-08-2007, 21:35
I am in a Political Science course that focuses solely around peacekeeping and conflict management. Today we discussed a few articles, one about international terrorism, another about arms build up and conflict, and Huntington's article on the clash of civilization. Well, after reading the last one , I came with up a proposal and want to run by all of you arm chair intellects. ;)

Basically, we see how through out the last thousand years the evolution of conflict has gone from small to large. It began with conflicts that pitted prince versus prince, then evolved to nation state versus nation. In the first half of the twentieth century it evolved into alliance versus alliance. When the cold war came around, conflict grew into Capitalism vs Communism. Since the fall of communism, the nature of conflict seems to focus less on political and economic ideas, but more on the differences in civilization, culture and religion. Huntington calls it the clash of civilization. We see the rhetoric all the time of the West vs Islamic Fundamentalism, or the West vs the East. Its still the same old us versus them, but on a much larger scale, and involving ideologies that are less likely to be compromised. For instance, one can call themselves an Irish-American, and that is a compromise. However, you cannot call yourself a Catholic Muslim, because those two labels are either/or. Either you are a Catholic, or you are a Muslim. Because we have resorted to such labels, the situation has become, in case of a possible conflict, either you completely destroy them to preserve us, OR as I'll argue for, you have a need for a much stronger and unified world government. They are essentially two roads to the same place, which is ultimately peace for ourselves.

The first thought process, however, is very flawed. The thinking behind that idea is that if we want peace, we must destroy those that oppose us. The problem with this is that there is always some sort of opposition. A party cannot completely destroy opposing ideas, unless it wants to completely wipe out all of mankind, which then takes away from the goal of said party, which is peace for themselves. So option one, as a viable solution to peace is off limits.

Option 2 on the other hand is a bit more practical. It requires nations to seek peace through a strengthened international power. This power would be much more capable of handling any conflict, than the UN is currently able to do. This international organization would allow for different member states to go about in their own beliefs and such, but it would prohibit them from having militaries, and weapons. Instead, the international government would be the sole source of military intervention in case of intra-state conflict. This super world power would unite people in peace, instead of allowing the "us vs them" ideology go on.

We can almost be certain there is a clash of civilizations coming in the near future. China is seeking closer ties to the Islamic world and third world countries. The west is coming closer together than ever before. The lines are being drawn right now. The conflict will be a clash of cultures, one the world has never witnessed before. There is no way to keep an "us vs them" mind set, and try to compromise things. As I have said, the sides are uncompromisable. However, if we create a stronger international body, we can avoid outright war. The only way we can create this body is by dropping the 'us vs them' thoughts, and instead see them as us, and have them see us as them. We might have different ideas, and beliefs, but there is one thing we all have in common. We want peace for ourselves. Now, if we go the extra mile and make peace not only for us, but for everyone, there will be no fear of terrorism, or arms races, or even nuclear war.
The Parkus Empire
28-08-2007, 21:40
*snip*

Uh, sorry, I'm too lazy to read that. If it happens to be on world peace, I believe it's *possible* in a million years, but that's about it.
Zilam
28-08-2007, 21:42
Uh, sorry, I'm too lazy to read that. If it happens to be on world peace, I believe it's *possible* in a million years, but that's about it.

It okay, I wouldn't read it if I was you anyways.. Basically, its me talking out of my ass, seeing if anyone will agree with me :p
Psychotic Mongooses
28-08-2007, 21:56
I am in a Political Science course that focuses solely around peacekeeping and conflict management. Today we discussed a few articles, one about international terrorism, another about arms build up and conflict, and Huntington's article on the clash of civilization.
Ah Huntington. That old chestnut. Problem is he cherry picks issues to fit his "Clash" argument. Take it as an argument - not as fact. I personally didn't agree with the argument when I did a paper on it several years ago, and I don't agree with it now either.

We can almost be certain there is a clash of civilizations coming in the near future. China is seeking closer ties to the Islamic world and third world countries. The west is coming closer together than ever before. The lines are being drawn right now. The conflict will be a clash of cultures, one the world has never witnessed before.
The world it so interlinked today - nations like China and those in the West can't "clash" on the scale he argues. It runs against self interest. Huntington forgets the effects globalisation has had.

Now, if we go the extra mile and make peace not only for us, but for everyone, there will be no fear of terrorism, or arms races, or even nuclear war.
Terrorism is often based on real grievances.
Unlucky_and_unbiddable
28-08-2007, 21:59
Will not happen but it would be nice, it is what needs to happen but there is no chance that it will.
FreedomAndGlory
28-08-2007, 22:00
Terrorism is often based on real grievances.

Indeed. How dare those Western infidels disrespect the word of Allah and treat their women like human beings? Incidentally, for all you hippies out there, you can't stop terrorism with flowers -- you need guns.
The Parkus Empire
28-08-2007, 22:07
Indeed. How dare those Western infidels disrespect the word of Allah and treat their women like human beings? Incidentally, for all you hippies out there, you can't stop terrorism with flowers -- you need guns.

Actually I agree with you 100%. Still, I love to play the Devil's Advocate: have you ever seen a firefighter successfully fight-fire-with-fire?
Psychotic Mongooses
28-08-2007, 22:25
Indeed. How dare those Western infidels disrespect the word of Allah and treat their women like human beings? Incidentally, for all you hippies out there, you can't stop terrorism with flowers -- you need guns.

Yeh.... I'll not be biting this one. My point stands. Go and read Huntington.
FreedomAndGlory
28-08-2007, 22:29
Still, I love to play the Devil's Advocate: have you ever seen a firefighter successfully fight-fire-with-fire?

No, but I've seen many situations in which that saying does not apply. This is one of them.
Trollgaard
28-08-2007, 22:44
Actually I agree with you 100%. Still, I love to play the Devil's Advocate: have you ever seen a firefighter successfully fight-fire-with-fire?

I have. In stopping wildfires from spreading firefighters commonly use controlled burns in front of the wildfire so it runs out of fuel and eventually dies.


One world government? No thanks. There would be no way to stop it if it had all the military power, and besides, a world government would have no idea how to run things. What works in Sudan is not going to work in China, and what works in China won't work in Germany. Each place has its own needs, and one large government would be unable to handle this differences.
Trollgaard
28-08-2007, 22:49
Indeed. How dare those Western infidels disrespect the word of Allah and treat their women like human beings? Incidentally, for all you hippies out there, you can't stop terrorism with flowers -- you need guns.

How about occupying the Muslim Holy land? How about bombing Iraq since the end of the Gulf War? How about trade embargoes that killed thousands of children after the Gulf War? How about invading Iraq? The list goes on. Terrorism is based off real grievances, not just because people are different.
FreedomAndGlory
28-08-2007, 23:05
How about occupying the Muslim Holy land? How about bombing Iraq since the end of the Gulf War? How about trade embargoes that killed thousands of children after the Gulf War? How about invading Iraq? The list goes on. Terrorism is based off real grievances, not just because people are different.

Your rose-tinted views of the world cast some light on why Europe is crumbling before the insidious onslaught of Muslim immigration.

You might find the following book suitable for your edification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_Alone:_The_End_of_the_World_as_We_Know_It
The Parkus Empire
28-08-2007, 23:07
No, but I've seen many situations in which that saying does not apply. This is one of them.

Hmm.
Trollgaard
28-08-2007, 23:16
Your rose-tinted views of the world cast some light on why Europe is crumbling before the insidious onslaught of Muslim immigration.

I said nothing of immigration. I'm speaking of why some Muslims are so against the West, and why some turn towards terrorism or extremism. The Middle East has been used and abused for a century, its no wonder they are angry.
FreedomAndGlory
28-08-2007, 23:19
I said nothing of immigration. I'm speaking of why some Muslims are so against the West, and why some turn towards terrorism or extremism. The Middle East has been used and abused for a century, its no wonder they are angry.

I'm saying that the Muslim problem isn't confined to outright terrorists; as a religious group, they hold antiquated views on virtually every conceivable topic. This ignorance gives birth to terrorism and will be the downfall of Europe.
Psychotic Mongooses
28-08-2007, 23:23
I'm saying that the Muslim problem isn't confined to outright terrorists; as a religious group, they hold antiquated views on virtually every conceivable topic.
What's their view on space travel as a matter of interest?