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Well, It looks like he is big on stage waving his guns around, insulting people, but in real life he shit himself to avoid going to 'nam.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/roeper/529419,CST-NWS-roep27.article
Facing a draft, Nugent bravely wet his pants

Rocker is all talk as he calls Obama, Hillary vile names

August 27, 2007
BY RICHARD ROEPER Sun-Times Columnist
So Ted Nugent roams a concert stage while toting automatic weapons, calls Barack Obama "a piece of -----" and says he told Obama to suck on one of his machine-guns. He also calls Hillary Clinton a "worthless bitch" and Dianne Feinstein a "worthless whore."

That Nugent, he's a man's man. He talks the talk and walks the walk, right?

Except when it was time to register for the draft during the Vietnam era. By his own admission, Nugent stopped all forms of personal hygiene for a month and showed up for his draft board physical in pants caked with his own urine and feces, winning a deferment. Creative!

Ah, but that was a long time ago. Nugent isn't just a washed-up rocker -- he's a right-wing madman who's not afraid to call out some of the leading Democrats in language so vile it makes the Dixie Chick Natalie Maines' comments about President Bush sound like a love poem.

You'd think even someone such as Sean Hannity would dismiss Nugent as a macho clown, desperate for attention.

Yeah, right.

In a discussion on his show last week, Hannity refused to condemn Nugent's remarks, saying, "I like Ted Nugent . . . he's a friend of mine," and even laughing loudly as Alan Colmes read the transcript of some of Nugent's remarks.

Funny. I don't remember Hannity being so cavalier about the Dixie Chicks went they criticized Bush.

Not that he's operating under a double standard or anything.

Here is another source on it:

http://www.newshounds.us/2007/08/26/ted_nugent_draft_dodger_will_hannity_keep_defending_him.php

Since we've been discussing Ted Nugent lately, this seemed a good time to bring up Nugent's draft dodging. It's well known that Nugent claims to have gone to great lengths to flunk his Draft Board physical. What's not so well-known is that he got a student deferment at the same time he was touring, with an average of 300 shows a year. How was he going to school and touring that much at the same time?

One of our readers sent me a copy of Nugent’s Selective Service records, obtained via a FOIA request (copy below). As you can see, Nugent obtained a student deferment in 1967 and 1968. But according to the Internet Movie Data Base website, Nugent has been “performing professionally since 1958, non-stop yearly touring since 1967, averaging more than 300 shows per year '67-73.” Hmm, that would include the two years he was supposedly too wrapped up in his studies to be serving his country.

But that hasn’t stopped Nugent from insisting that if he HAD served, he would have been one big mofo soldier. As the Rutland Herald reported, Here's what Nugent said he would have done if he went to Vietnam:

"… if I would have gone over there, I'd have been killed, or I'd have killed, or I'd kill all the hippies in the foxholes … I would have killed everybody," he told the Detroit Free Press in an interview published July 15, 1990."

The Herald also noted that Nugent’s efforts to avoid the draft make President Bush look like a war hero.

(Nugent claims) that 30 days before his Draft Board Physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days he ingested nothing but junk food and Pepsi, and a week before his physical, he stopped using the bathroom altogether, virtually living inside his pants caked with excrement and urine. That spectacle won Nugent a deferment.

Sean Hannity went to ridiculous lengths Friday night (8/24/07) to defend Nugent's threatening rants against Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. FOX & Friends whitewashed Nugent's comments the next day. Apparently, this "patriot" can do no wrong on the "We like America" network.

Hmm, seems to be a popular thing in the republican party. You claim to support the military, but you won't even serve in it. Reminds me of the clip of college republicans supporting iraq war, but not wanting to go over there and serve. Maybe the republicans should have a new mascot:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tlm/homebrew/chickporter.jpg

On the one hand, you couldn't have been "cool," especially as a musician, in that era and have supported the war in Viet Nam. On the other hand, this is only reason #1,000,001 why we shouldn't turn to entertainers for well-reasoned opinion. :p

So it is okay to be a civilian and have an anti-war opinion, but non-legitimate to be a civilian and support a war?

Thats why I don't usualy post in General's forum. People find me extremely offencive.

Thats why I don't usualy post in General's forum. People find me extremely offencive.

Eh? So long as you're not trolling, you shouldn't be concerned with that. It's fun! :)

What in sam heck do you mean by trolling?

What in sam heck do you mean by trolling?

Being 'offensive' just to get a rise out of people, rather than in earnest. The forum rules are posted someplace, so don't rely on my definition, though. ;)

If you're in the public eye, you really should be more careful what you let slip-though Nugent's fans probably cheer both his actions then and now-the Dixie Chicks were just plain stupid to make their remarks considering their fan base. Draft-dodging WAS a national pastime during the Vietnam era-not that it's any less reprehensible, but it was a different era. Doubtless those who refused to fight in Iraq will face the same challenges to their public statements in thirty years-perhaps moreso as this is a volunteer army.

It's an act. Ted Nugent is the real life version of FreedomAndGlory. *nod*

If you're in the public eye, you really should be more careful what you let slip-though Nugent's fans probably cheer both his actions then and now-the Dixie Chicks were just plain stupid to make their remarks considering their fan base. Draft-dodging WAS a national pastime during the Vietnam era-not that it's any less reprehensible, but it was a different era. Doubtless those who refused to fight in Iraq will face the same challenges to their public statements in thirty years-perhaps moreso as this is a volunteer army.

Very true. There's no telling what your or my or anyone's political opinions will be 35 years down the road. There are plenty of conservative ex-hippies and leftist former conservatives. It's part of what makes politics fun. :)

If you're in the public eye, you really should be more careful what you let slip-though Nugent's fans probably cheer both his actions then and now-the Dixie Chicks were just plain stupid to make their remarks considering their fan base. Draft-dodging WAS a national pastime during the Vietnam era-not that it's any less reprehensible, but it was a different era. .


Draft-dodging is not reprehensible. It's the draft that's reprehensible.

In responce to Thumbless Pete Crabbe, I only get offencive when people start coming at me or my friends for the way we believe. I dont believe in starting anything just for the sake of pissing people off, if thats what yir sayin.


In responce to Ordo Drakul, I concure. If there is a draft in a few years, knowing my luck, my number will get pulled. However, I am an only child, which means I am the last male in my family to bear my name. However, I would still go in. Heck, I plan on going in anyway weather there is a draft or not. I found it quite odd a few weeks ago when a strange man in the store came up to me and asked if I was in the military or something. I, being 17 replied no, but I told him I had planned on enlisting in the future. He replies saying: "Well, I suggest you'd better wait about 11 more months or so. The Liberals are gonna try and end the war by then. Youll have a better survivabillity rate." I stood there momentarily, then walked away speachless. Im frankly shocked at how selfish people are these days. I don't care what happens to me. I care what happens to my family, my friends, and my nation. I was about to reply: "Dang, well, I'd better hury up and join then before my share is gone." but I didn't want to be rude. After 9/11, I understand what stickin up for yir country means. I remember that morning like it was yesterday, turning on the TV right as the second plane hit. Thats when reality hit me. And thats why I get so pissed of when people who are anti-war this, and anti-war that go takin stuff out on the troops, the troops who died to give them that right to speak. And thats why Im going to be one in a few years.

If you're in the public eye, you really should be more careful what you let slip-though Nugent's fans probably cheer both his actions then and now-the Dixie Chicks were just plain stupid to make their remarks considering their fan base. Draft-dodging WAS a national pastime during the Vietnam era-not that it's any less reprehensible, but it was a different era. Doubtless those who refused to fight in Iraq will face the same challenges to their public statements in thirty years-perhaps moreso as this is a volunteer army.

Well, why doesn't he get off his duff, get his automatic weapons, and go over there to the Iraq and Git 'Er Done?

Because he's nothing more than an attention whore and would shit himself NOW if asked to serve.

I think there's a difference between draft dodging and wallowing in your own feces just to get out of the draft. That's pretty hardcore. And then ranting about anti-war people when you did all you could to avoid the war? Gimme a break.

I think there's a difference between draft dodging and wallowing in your own feces just to get out of the draft. That's pretty hardcore. And then ranting about anti-war people when you did all you could to avoid the war? Gimme a break.

You aren't noticing a trend? There are right-wingers now who dodged the draft who had zero issue with criticising those who are anti-war... it's the cool thing to do if you're right wing AND dodged the draft. It's not hypocritical if you did it; it's only hypocritical when other people do it.

Or served in the Air National Guard... kinda.

Draft-dodging is not reprehensible. It's the draft that's reprehensible.

I find conscription reprehensible. I find the sort of dishonest dodging that seems to have been widespread to be equally reprehensible. Pay the piper in full and honestly, or don't call the tune.

IMHO, most dodgers and deserters did so out of cowardace rather than conviction. And, though some might find this odd, I have no problem with that - as long as it's done honestly. Stand up and say "I don't want to die because I think war is stupid and I'm a coward", and I'll argue my best to keep you out of jail. Play at being a crazy by shitting your pants to get out of serving, deserting from your Texas Air Gaurd post, or falsly claiming that you don't want to voluntreer for Iraq because the military will keep you off the front lines due to having family also serving (as an NSG poster did - you know who you are, and several others remember it too...), and you are a despicable dishonest coward of the worst sort.

Or served in the Air National Guard... kinda.

If you can call desertion kinda serving...

Draft-dodging is not reprehensible. It's the draft that's reprehensible.

Amusingly when Clinton dodged the draft he was a coward and a traitor. :rolleyes:

In responce to Ordo Drakul, I concure. If there is a draft in a few years, knowing my luck, my number will get pulled. However, I am an only child, which means I am the last male in my family to bear my name. However, I would still go in. Heck, I plan on going in anyway weather there is a draft or not. I found it quite odd a few weeks ago when a strange man in the store came up to me and asked if I was in the military or something. I, being 17 replied no, but I told him I had planned on enlisting in the future. He replies saying: "Well, I suggest you'd better wait about 11 more months or so. The Liberals are gonna try and end the war by then. Youll have a better survivabillity rate." I stood there momentarily, then walked away speachless. Im frankly shocked at how selfish people are these days. I don't care what happens to me. I care what happens to my family, my friends, and my nation. I was about to reply: "Dang, well, I'd better hury up and join then before my share is gone." but I didn't want to be rude. After 9/11, I understand what stickin up for yir country means. I remember that morning like it was yesterday, turning on the TV right as the second plane hit. Thats when reality hit me. And thats why I get so pissed of when people who are anti-war this, and anti-war that go takin stuff out on the troops, the troops who died to give them that right to speak. And thats why Im going to be one in a few years.

... You do realize that 9/11 has nothing, absolutely nothing, not a thing, not a damn thing, not one thing, not a solitary iota of anything to do with this war, right?

Nothing.

... You do realize that 9/11 has nothing, absolutely nothing, not a thing, not a damn thing, not one thing, not a solitary iota of anything to do with this war, right?

Nothing.

Shh, don't inject reality into his little world.

Shh, don't inject reality into his little world.

I tried to resist, but the pull was too strong.

Amusingly when Clinton dodged the draft he was a coward and a traitor. :rolleyes:

A coward yes, a traitor maybe...

But at least he wasn't the deserter in cheif...

... You do realize that 9/11 has nothing, absolutely nothing, not a thing, not a damn thing, not one thing, not a solitary iota of anything to do with this war, right?

Nothing.

If your refering to the war in Iraq, yes, I understand. The war in Afghanistan, personaly, I think that does have alot to do with 9/11. And personaly, if I had the choice of the location of my deployment, I'd choose Afghanistan, not because Im anti-Iraq war or anything, just cause I cant stand the thought of fighting in an urban hell hole. Personaly, I like the out in the open, in the hills and all that crap, but thats just my personal oppinion. The thing is, yeah, I agree with us going over to Iraq and taking out Sadam. He was one of those people that if we didn't take him out then, we'd probably regret it later. Yeah, I do agree with staying and trying to get the Iraqi's back on their feet and all, but the problem I have with it, is I dont think theres any use for us to stay anymore. I've seen the footage of the stuff that goes on over there, not just the stuff they've shown on the news, but anywhere I can find. It just seems like the Iraqi's don't care about what happens. They don't stick up for eachother, and a lot of them are cowards. Weather we pull out now, or in a while, Im quite sure that the insurgents will regain control, and we'll be faced with another hard descision making point. However, I am in full agreement with the war in Afghanistan, and feel we should divert more attention into finding Ossama.

Shh, don't inject reality into his little world.

lol, dude, sthu, you have no friggin clue who I am.

If your refering to the war in Iraq, yes, I understand. The war in Afghanistan, personaly, I think that does have alot to do with 9/11. And personaly, if I had the choice of the location of my deployment, I'd choose Afghanistan, not because Im anti-Iraq war or anything, just cause I cant stand the thought of fighting in an urban hell hole. Personaly, I like the out in the open, in the hills and all that crap, but thats just my personal oppinion. The thing is, yeah, I agree with us going over to Iraq and taking out Sadam. He was one of those people that if we didn't take him out then, we'd probably regret it later.

Because he would have WMDs, right?:rolleyes:

Yeah, I do agree with staying and trying to get the Iraqi's back on their feet and all, but the problem I have with it, is I dont think theres any use for us to stay anymore. I've seen the footage of the stuff that goes on over there, not just the stuff they've shown on the news, but anywhere I can find. It just seems like the Iraqi's don't care about what happens. They don't stick up for eachother, and a lot of them are cowards.

Huge sweeping generalization! The Iraqis are all cowards?!

Weather we pull out now, or in a while, Im quite sure that the insurgents will regain control, and we'll be faced with another hard descision making point. However, I am in full agreement with the war in Afghanistan, and feel we should divert more attention into finding Ossama.

Its 'Whether'

And its 'Osama'

lol, dude, sthu, you have no friggin clue who I am.

Oh I could guess. Rural, probably southern, Daddy's a die hard flag waving Republican, probably an evangelical Christian. You're the sort who thinks blind patriotism is a good thing.

If your refering to the war in Iraq, yes, I understand. The war in Afghanistan, personaly, I think that does have alot to do with 9/11. And personaly, if I had the choice of the location of my deployment, I'd choose Afghanistan, not because Im anti-Iraq war or anything, just cause I cant stand the thought of fighting in an urban hell hole. Personaly, I like the out in the open, in the hills and all that crap, but thats just my personal oppinion. The thing is, yeah, I agree with us going over to Iraq and taking out Sadam. He was one of those people that if we didn't take him out then, we'd probably regret it later. Yeah, I do agree with staying and trying to get the Iraqi's back on their feet and all, but the problem I have with it, is I dont think theres any use for us to stay anymore. I've seen the footage of the stuff that goes on over there, not just the stuff they've shown on the news, but anywhere I can find. It just seems like the Iraqi's don't care about what happens. They don't stick up for eachother, and a lot of them are cowards. Weather we pull out now, or in a while, Im quite sure that the insurgents will regain control, and we'll be faced with another hard descision making point. However, I am in full agreement with the war in Afghanistan, and feel we should divert more attention into finding Ossama.

Right, but when the guy said "The liberals are gonna try to stop the war", he most likely meant the Iraq war. Because they are. Your reaction to that was something along the lines of "Well I better join quick, I don't want to miss out", with your reasoning being that which would indicate a connection between 9/11 and the war in Iraq.

lol, dude, sthu, you have no friggin clue who I am.

Someone who doesn't like paragraphs.

Oh I could guess. Rural, probably southern, Daddy's a die hard flag waving Republican, probably an evangelical Christian. You're the sort who thinks blind patriotism is a good thing.

Y'know, that "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." quote shows up in Deus Ex.

I like that game.

Sure it does.

It was a great way to restart the Republo-thumping after the WMD story started to smell a little rotten.

Right, but I meant factual connections. There are none. Bullshit connections aplenty, akimbo, etc, all over the place, but no actual ones.

... You do realize that 9/11 has nothing, absolutely nothing, not a thing, not a damn thing, not one thing, not a solitary iota of anything to do with this war, right?

Nothing.

Sure it does.

It was a great way to restart the Republo-thumping after the WMD story started to smell a little rotten.

Because he would have WMDs, right?:rolleyes:



Huge sweeping generalization! The Iraqis are all cowards?!



Its 'Whether'

And its 'Osama'

1- most likely

2-No, my appologies, but I dont think all Iraqis are cowards. I was just being breaf. Im most certain there are a great many Iraqi's that are willing to contribute to their countries future.

3- My appologies, my spelling sucks in the morning.

I don't know Ted Nugent, I've heard his name, and now I saw his wiki article.

Seems like your average pretentious choad of a rock musician, combined with your average pretentious choad of a zealous republican attentionwhore.

1- most likely

BS

2-No, my appologies, but I dont think all Iraqis are cowards. I was just being breaf. Im most certain there are a great many Iraqi's that are willing to contribute to their countries future.

Brief.

3- My appologies, my spelling sucks in the morning.

Apologies.

I don't know Ted Nugent, I've heard his name, and now I saw his wiki article.

Seems like your average pretentious choad of a rock musician, combined with your average pretentious choad of a zealous republican attentionwhore.

Pretty much, yes.

Oh I could guess. Rural, probably southern, Daddy's a die hard flag waving Republican, probably an evangelical Christian. You're the sort who thinks blind patriotism is a good thing.

Sorry, your a little off. Don't exactly know what the word rural means, I live in Washington state, the suckiest place this side of the Mississippi, and I've lived here my whole life, tough I do occasionaly pick up my guitar and start a hoe down... whatever the hell that is. Yes, my father is patriotic, and a Republican. He is a navy veteran of 12 years, 9 active duty, 3 reserve. Im free-lutheran, and no, I dont think blind anything is a good idea, it leads to corruption, but yes, I am extremely patriotic.

1- most likely


Regardless of the fact that not only have we not found any, but he didn't have the means to produce them. Right? Or the fact that using them would be complete suicide for him anyway.

I have a question: If a country is making chemical and biological weapons, should they be invaded in order to stop the production there of?

Right, but when the guy said "The liberals are gonna try to stop the war", he most likely meant the Iraq war. Because they are. Your reaction to that was something along the lines of "Well I better join quick, I don't want to miss out", with your reasoning being that which would indicate a connection between 9/11 and the war in Iraq.



Someone who doesn't like paragraphs.

1- He never specified the war in Iraq, and neither did I.

2- I like paragraphs, just not right now.

1- He never specified the war in Iraq, and neither did I.

2- I like paragraphs, just not right now.

He specified Iraq, because he said "The war", referring to the one that the 'liberals' were trying to stop. That's the Iraq war. Your fault if you didn't recognize that.

Yeah, I did realise it, and no, he didn't specify jack.

He specified Iraq, because he said "The war", referring to the one that the 'liberals' were trying to stop. That's the Iraq war. Your fault if you didn't recognize that.

You sure he didn't mean the Peloponnesian War?

Yeah, I did realise it, and no, he didn't specify jack.

Well please let me know what other wars we're currently involved in that the 'liberals' are attempting to stop.

You sure he didn't mean the Peloponnesian War?

Oh, totally. I can see where the confusion happened. Pelopennesian war. I see, now.

1- most likely

2-No, my appologies, but I dont think all Iraqis are cowards. I was just being breaf. Im most certain there are a great many Iraqi's that are willing to contribute to their countries future.

3- My appologies, my spelling sucks in the morning.

1-Actually, most likely not. Saddam didn't have WMDs when we invaded, who's to say he would have them in the near future?

2-Good, cause for a second there, I thought you were one of those ignorant red-necks who hated all A-Rabs.

3-Apology accepted.:p

Well please let me know what other wars we're currently involved in that the 'liberals' are attempting to stop.

The War on Drugs, obviously.

The War on Drugs, obviously.

I thought the libertarians were trying to stop that one.

Well, why doesn't he get off his duff, get his automatic weapons, and go over there to the Iraq and Git 'Er Done?

Because he's nothing more than an attention whore and would shit himself NOW if asked to serve.
To be fair (and god knows he doesn't deserve it even a little bit) he's too old now and they wouldn't take him.

Not that I believe for a second that he'd go if he could. Has he even done a USO tour? (honest question)
1- most likely
Nope. Didn't, wasn't, couldn't.

2-No, my appologies, but I dont think all Iraqis are cowards. I was just being breaf. Im most certain there are a great many Iraqi's that are willing to contribute to their countries future.
Really? Really? Seems like they're willing to fight a superior fighting force regardless of the odds, to sacrafice themselves to fight for the Iraq that they want. They could fold under and let a foreign power dictate the shape of their country but instead they are willing to fight and almost assuredly die for their vision of what the country should be. They aren't shitting themselves to get out of the fight.

And don't give me the nonsense about their methods-there is no way they'd be able to fight a stand up war, just like there was no way we could fight a stand up war against the British for independence.

What ever they might be, they certainly aren't cowards.

Don't mistake this as an endorsement of their goals or methods.

3- My appologies, my spelling sucks in the morning.
Dude, be honest. It sucks around the clock. So does mine. But there are tools so you don't have to totally show your ass. Google toolbar has a spell checker and so does Firefox. Takes care of it so people argue your argument instead of proof reading it.

.snip.

I love you in the face.

Well, It looks like he is big on stage waving his guns around, insulting people, but in real life he shit himself to avoid going to 'nam.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/roeper/529419,CST-NWS-roep27.article


Here is another source on it:

http://www.newshounds.us/2007/08/26/ted_nugent_draft_dodger_will_hannity_keep_defending_him.php



Hmm, seems to be a popular thing in the republican party. You claim to support the military, but you won't even serve in it. Reminds me of the clip of college republicans supporting iraq war, but not wanting to go over there and serve. Maybe the republicans should have a new mascot:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tlm/homebrew/chickporter.jpg

And I liked that guy's music. Bastard.

And I liked that guy's music. Bastard.

Charlie Parker was undoubtedly one of the best saxophone players to ever have lived, if not the best. He was also a womanizer, heroin addict, and kind of a dick.

You can separate the art from the man, and honestly most of the time you have to. It's perfectly all right to rock out to Cat Scratch Fever and still think the guy singing it is a giant tool.

Charlie Parker was undoubtedly one of the best saxophone players to ever have lived, if not the best. He was also a womanizer, heroin addict, and kind of a dick.

You can separate the art from the man, and honestly most of the time you have to. It's perfectly all right to rock out to Cat Scratch Fever and still think the guy singing it is a giant tool.

And it's perfectly alright to rock out to TooL and still recognize that Maynard is God. =)

To be fair (and god knows he doesn't deserve it even a little bit) he's too old now and they wouldn't take him.

Not that I believe for a second that he'd go if he could. Has he even done a USO tour? (honest question)


Yeah, it's always easier for the warhawks to be people who couldn't possibly fight themselves.

To be fair, apparently he had done a USO tour in 2004.

http://www.cmt.com/artists/news/1487951/20040526/nugent_ted.jhtml

Yeah, it's always easier for the warhawks to be people who couldn't possibly fight themselves.
Like those guys at the bar who would 'totally kick your ass if it weren't for X..."

To be fair, apparently he had done a USO tour in 2004.

http://www.cmt.com/artists/news/1487951/20040526/nugent_ted.jhtml

Well, at least there's that. We've been fairer than he deserves.

Charlie Parker was undoubtedly one of the best saxophone players to ever have lived, if not the best. He was also a womanizer, heroin addict, and kind of a dick.

You can separate the art from the man, and honestly most of the time you have to. It's perfectly all right to rock out to Cat Scratch Fever and still think the guy singing it is a giant tool.

Yeah, I guess. I just see people, including musicians, as a package deal. But Cat Scratch Fever indeed rocks.

I need a really good picture of Ted to download. So I can label it "Narcissistic hypocritical right-wing asshole." or "redundant redundancy."

Entertainers should stick to singing/acting/juggling or whatever they do. I'm tired of celebrities on both sides of the political spectrum spouting off nonesense. Then again, I think most Repugnantcans and Demoncrats in Congress should be drawn and quartered, too.

or falsly claiming that you don't want to voluntreer for Iraq because the military will keep you off the front lines due to having family also serving (as an NSG poster did - you know who you are, and several others remember it too...), and you are a despicable dishonest coward of the worst sort.

If you can call desertion kinda serving...
That would be the Cornman.....

Sorry, your a little off. Don't exactly know what the word rural means, I live in Washington state, the suckiest place this side of the Mississippi, and I've lived here my whole life, tough I do occasionaly pick up my guitar and start a hoe down... whatever the hell that is. Yes, my father is patriotic, and a Republican. He is a navy veteran of 12 years, 9 active duty, 3 reserve. Im free-lutheran, and no, I dont think blind anything is a good idea, it leads to corruption, but yes, I am extremely patriotic.

Take that back.

I would do just about anything to go back to my home state. If you hate it so much -- well, wait, I should be fair: in what part of Washington do you live? I lived in the northern Puget Sound region from 1979 to 2005, and I wouldn't trade it for any part of any other state as far as where I want to live (I do love to travel, though, and of course, I have not yet been everywhere).

You don't know what "rural" means? Really? Perhaps if you'd attended geography class (wherever in "social stuides" they're putting that now), you'd know, but Im happy to offer an explanation.

There are three basic population densities: URBAN, high population density (within cities, large or small -- think New York City, Philadephia, Miami and the like or the downtowns of smaller cities like Nashville, Spokane, Boise, Oklahoma City); SUBURBAN, medium population density (the lawn-and-garden sprawl that connects larger cities in the Northeast or surrounds large cities everywhere else -- think Grosse Pointe, MI; Redmond, WA; Bloomington, MN; Mill Valley, CA; though not all are fabulously wealthy as those examples -- still smaller cities in more isolated areas can feel suburban despite having downtown areas -- think Bismarck, ND; Yakima, WA; Biloxi, MS; Bozeman, MT); and RURAL, low population density (farm-, ranch-, desert-, mountain-, prairie- or forest-lands in between all the suburban houses and urban jungles).

I hope that helped. What grade are you in?

Take that back.

I would do just about anything to go back to my home state. If you hate it so much -- well, wait, I should be fair: in what part of Washington do you live? I lived in the northern Puget Sound region from 1979 to 2005, and I wouldn't trade it for any part of any other state as far as where I want to live (I do love to travel, though, and of course, I have not yet been everywhere).

You don't know what "rural" means? Really? Perhaps if you'd attended geography class (wherever in "social stuides" they're putting that now), you'd know, but Im happy to offer an explanation.

There are three basic population densities: URBAN, high population density (within cities, large or small -- think New York City, Philadephia, Miami and the like or the downtowns of smaller cities like Nashville, Spokane, Boise, Oklahoma City); SUBURBAN, medium population density (the lawn-and-garden sprawl that connects larger cities in the Northeast or surrounds large cities everywhere else -- think Grosse Pointe, MI; Redmond, WA; Bloomington, MN; Mill Valley, CA; though not all are fabulously wealthy as those examples -- still smaller cities in more isolated areas can feel suburban despite having downtown areas -- think Bismarck, ND; Yakima, WA; Biloxi, MS; Bozeman, MT); and RURAL, low population density (farm-, ranch-, desert-, mountain-, prairie- or forest-lands in between all the suburban houses and urban jungles).

I hope that helped. What grade are you in?


He said he was 17 earlier. I'm kind of hoping he was lying and really is 7. Otherwise he's quite ignorant.

If your refering to the war in Iraq, yes, I understand. The war in Afghanistan, personaly, I think that does have alot to do with 9/11. And personaly, if I had the choice of the location of my deployment, I'd choose Afghanistan, not because Im anti-Iraq war or anything, just cause I cant stand the thought of fighting in an urban hell hole. Personaly, I like the out in the open, in the hills and all that crap, but thats just my personal oppinion. The thing is, yeah, I agree with us going over to Iraq and taking out Sadam. He was one of those people that if we didn't take him out then, we'd probably regret it later. Yeah, I do agree with staying and trying to get the Iraqi's back on their feet and all, but the problem I have with it, is I dont think theres any use for us to stay anymore. I've seen the footage of the stuff that goes on over there, not just the stuff they've shown on the news, but anywhere I can find. It just seems like the Iraqi's don't care about what happens. They don't stick up for eachother, and a lot of them are cowards. Weather we pull out now, or in a while, Im quite sure that the insurgents will regain control, and we'll be faced with another hard descision making point. However, I am in full agreement with the war in Afghanistan, and feel we should divert more attention into finding Ossama.
My mate who's just signed up for 3. Para, essentially the British version of your 82nd Airborne (albeit better trained and actually more combat experienced), who're serving in Hell Province, as they call it, is basically somewhat shitting himself after the tales he's heard from over there.

If you actually knew what you were talking about, you'd much rather fight in Iraq - cushier bases, more armoured vehicles, opposition that is poorly armed and ill-trained at best. Much better kit on the grounds that the public sees more casualties coming out of Iraq, so more funding is allocated to the troops' protection there, to try and cut the figures somewhat.

In Afghanistan, the Taliban who are still alive and active are generally pretty combat hardened and about as trained as guerrillas come (although apparently, they can't shoot for shit). The only advantage you'd have in Afghanistan is that almost everyone's fair game, unlike in Iraq where people are viewed much more as people.

As to 'finding Osama' - why should you even bother?

He's an old man, for fuck's sake, what's he doing to do?

"I'll write my plans for worldwide chaos in a minute... just let me have a lie down first"

That would be the Cornman.....
It's always Corny.

It's always Corny.
No.....sometimes it is Lancaster County or Alleghany County....or....:D


but yeah it is always Corny!!