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I'm hungry!

I think they got a new food pyramid now.

Everyone knows that the food pyramid is a liberal conspiracy between the anti-methane environmentalists and the vegans to undermine our beef and dairy industries.

We should of course all be eating according the the food groups. All meals should include meat, cheese, vegetables, and bread in equal amounts. Making cheese burgers the perfect food to eat all day every day.

And any mutli-culturalist hippies who tell you that the same goes for tacos should be deported.

I'm an Atkins kinda guy.

http://blog.firedocs.com/tdlc/LowCarbFoodPyramid-Thanks_e-clipseDotCom.jpg

I want to know how they came to the conclusion that fats and oils were best represented by a bunch of blue triangles and yellow dots.

I just read on wikipedia that there are 6 essential food items necessary to human survival. They are proteins, fats, vitamin, dietary minerals, and water. Interesting that fiber is not necessary. Since vegetables are mostly just fiber and fruit is mostly just sugar, I'm going to take a multivitiman everyday and concentrate on meat and cheese.

I just read on wikipedia that there are 6 essential food items necessary to human survival. They are proteins, fats, vitamin, dietary minerals, and water. Interesting that fiber is necessary. Since vegetables are mostly just fiber and fruit is mostly just sugar, I'm going to take a multivitiman everyday and concentrate on meat and cheese.

Why a triangle?

I would prefer a food nonegon.

Click Stand;13003285']Why a triangle?

I would prefer a food nonegon.

http://www.licares.org/potpourri/Rubik_Food_Pyramid.gif

I just read on wikipedia that there are 6 essential food items necessary to human survival. They are proteins, fats, vitamin, dietary minerals, and water. Interesting that fiber is necessary. Since vegetables are mostly just fiber and fruit is mostly just sugar, I'm going to take a multivitiman everyday and concentrate on meat and cheese.

Fiber isn't necessary for survival, but it is necessary for not having diarrhea.

You mean constipation.

You mean constipation.

No, I mean what I said.

What is this? In one day?

I've seen these on the sides of cereal packets and the like, how much is a serving because by this estimation I'm starving myself.

6-11 servings of the basics such as rice, pasta and bread?

The USDA must be in cahoots with supermarkets.

I'm an Atkins kinda guy.

http://blog.firedocs.com/tdlc/LowCarbFoodPyramid-Thanks_e-clipseDotCom.jpg

Wow...talk about the worst thing you can do to yourself...

Look, people, it's not that hard to figure out what's healthy. Just think about what a human without tools could gather on their own before technology was utilized, because that's what we evolved to eat.

Due to the weak fighting abilities of humans, it would be much easier to gather fruits, vegetables, nuts, and so on, and as such those should make up most of our diet, along with fish. Of course, other meats can be eaten too, but you have to think about what can be gathered without any sort of tools.

I want to know how they came to the conclusion that fats and oils were best represented by a bunch of blue triangles and yellow dots.

Knowing governments, I'd say it was complicated and involved words such as 'committee'.

Great arguments were had.

Look, people, it's not that hard to figure out what's healthy. Just think about what a human without tools could gather on their own before technology was utilized, because that's what we evolved to eat.

Bone marrow, citrus, and partially decayed flesh. What we evolved eating is not always what it is healthy for us to eat, you know.

Food pyramids should be made of food! :mad:

I just read on wikipedia that there are 6 essential food items necessary to human survival. They are proteins, fats, vitamin, dietary minerals, and water. Interesting that fiber is necessary. Since vegetables are mostly just fiber and fruit is mostly just sugar, I'm going to take a multivitiman everyday and concentrate on meat and cheese.

Multivitamins are more expensive though, better to eat your fruits and veggies to stave off the scurvy.

that's actually the old one in the OP

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/daily/graphics/diet_042005.gif

the new one is much more prettier.

that's actually the old one in the OP

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/daily/graphics/diet_042005.gif

the new one is much more prettier.
Wait, so I'm supposed to gather my food into a pile and run up and down that pile for 60 minutes before eating?

Does anyone seriously follow the advice of these things? I know I couldn't be bothered to pay attention to the old one, and I'm certainly not going to start measuring out 2.5 cups of vegetables everyday just because someone felt the need to get that specific.

Wait, so I'm supposed to gather my food into a pile and run up and down that pile for 60 minutes before eating?

Does anyone seriously follow the advice of these things? I know I couldn't be bothered to pay attention to the old one, and I'm certainly not going to start measuring out 2.5 cups of vegetables everyday just because someone felt the need to get that specific.

I do. I have to though, if I don't eat a well balanced diet I will get sicker than I already am. (my ratios are different though because I am on a 1200 calorie diet)

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Bone marrow, citrus, and partially decayed flesh. What we evolved eating is not always what it is healthy for us to eat, you know.

I was referring to the food choices themselves, in that what foods we could have gathered easily are the foods we should eat. Not that we should actually go out and forage...

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I was referring to the food choices themselves, in that what foods we could have gathered easily are the foods we should eat. Not that we should actually go out and forage...
There is a diet that follows those guidelines. Called the 'Caveman Diet' or something like that. You're meant to eat only unprocessed foods of a type your ancestors would have done.
The idea behind it is that we were 'cavemen' for far longer than anything else, and so our bodies are better at processing the types of food they would have eaten.

I just read on wikipedia that there are 6 essential food items necessary to human survival. They are proteins, fats, vitamin, dietary minerals, and water. Interesting that fiber is not necessary. Since vegetables are mostly just fiber and fruit is mostly just sugar, I'm going to take a multivitiman everyday and concentrate on meat and cheese.
Problem here is that your body is not designed to take such a massive hit of vitamins in one tablet. As a result you end up pissing most of them out - possibly causing kidney problems. Also some vitamins (B ones mostly) at the level in some multivitamin pills can cause stomach cramps and diarrhea.

6-11 servings of the basics such as rice, pasta and bread?

The USDA must be in cahoots with supermarkets.

Actually, it was farmers...but you had the right idea. ;)

I think they got a new food pyramid now.
And its ugly as hell. Lets use the old one.
http://www.licares.org/potpourri/Rubik_Food_Pyramid.gif
Or lets use this one... AWESOME!

My "pyramid" is sort of between the traditional one and the Atkins. I eat a lot of fish and meat, though rarely 'red' meat, and lots of veggies and fruit. Not too much bread, though - saltines with my tuna, and maybe toast with my eggs or other fish, but nothing like the old FDA pyramid would suggest. I just don't think I need that much bread. I like to think I eat healthy, but who knows. :p

Or lets use this one... AWESOME!

Mmmm....wood grain...

I just read on wikipedia that there are 6 essential food items necessary to human survival. They are proteins, fats, vitamin, dietary minerals, and water. Interesting that fiber is necessary. Since vegetables are mostly just fiber and fruit is mostly just sugar, I'm going to take a multivitiman everyday and concentrate on meat and cheese.I was told once that multivitamin pills are like drugs. After awhile you begin to develop a 'resistance', and so you absorb less and less the longer you take them.

Something to do with your body not being able to cope with all those vitamins at once so it limits how much it absorbs in digestion.

Sometimes I wish you could get a normal food pyramid and turn it upside down...:)

Ten servings of this, seventeen of that..

And its ugly as hell. Lets use the old one.

Or lets use this one... AWESOME!

Yeah, I guess.

I just read on wikipedia that there are 6 essential food items necessary to human survival. They are proteins, fats, vitamin, dietary minerals, and water. Interesting that fiber is not necessary. Since vegetables are mostly just fiber and fruit is mostly just sugar, I'm going to take a multivitiman everyday and concentrate on meat and cheese.

Hello scurvy and high cholosterol

I was referring to the food choices themselves, in that what foods we could have gathered easily are the foods we should eat.
Which still consists of bone marrow, citrus, and partially decayed flesh.

Which still consists of bone marrow, citrus, and partially decayed flesh.
Like your food is much different.:p

Like your food is much different.:p

lol;)

Fiber isn't necessary for survival, but it is necessary for not having diarrhea.

It's also necessary for not having hemorrhoids, and eventually colon cancer.

Which still consists of bone marrow, citrus, and partially decayed flesh.

And shellfish, birds eggs, small mammals, large bugs... and interestingly, excludes potatoes, most grains, and most fruit which was inedible until we learned how to graft branches to perpetuate the few edible strains of modern domestic fruit.

"health" food
Other meat
Hot Dogs Hot dogs
Other snacks other snacks
Doritos doritos doritos
PIZZA PIZZA PIZZA
My food pyramid, give or take. >_>

Wow...talk about the worst thing you can do to yourself...

Look, people, it's not that hard to figure out what's healthy. Just think about what a human without tools could gather on their own before technology was utilized, because that's what we evolved to eat.

Due to the weak fighting abilities of humans, it would be much easier to gather fruits, vegetables, nuts, and so on, and as such those should make up most of our diet, along with fish. Of course, other meats can be eaten too, but you have to think about what can be gathered without any sort of tools.

Your thesis is a valid one, but your execution of it is deeply, deeply, flawed.

The "without tools" stipulation is inappropriate. Our evolutionary precursors were tool-users several genera back. Even homo habilis used tools. Our most immediate predecessors even had fire. Not only are we evolved to eat what we can kill with weapons as well as what we can harvest with tools, we are also evolved to eat mostly what we can cook. Testament to this is the fact that even the most obscure hunter-gatherer peoples hunt with weapons and cook their food.

Male humans have a natural hunting instinct that most modern humans sublimate into sports, competition, and even hunting. There's a reason that guys who don't get a lot of strenuous exercise are so unhealthy. We evolved to be capable of, and require, lots of strenuous exercise by hunting fast-moving, or hard-dying prey.

On top of this, wild fruits tend to mostly be very tart or bitter to the point of being inedible (they'll make you sick even if they don't kill you). And they're only available a few months out of the year. Clearly not a staple of early human diets. Material that is available all year (leaves, grass, animals) either has no nutritional value, or requires tools. On top of that, nuts require tools to open.

Finally, significant evolution has taken place in the few thousand years since the agricultural revolution. Approximately 70% of cultures with no history of dairy farming (sub-Saharan Africa, the Americas, and Australia) are lactose intolerant. People of Asian, Middle Eastern, and European ancestry are mostly able to drink milk comfortably.

Look at a map of the distribution of blood types you will see that most of the type A's are from Europe and Asia. They evolved to eat grain. Sub-Saharan Africans mostly did not. Except for a few isolated pockets of millet farming.

Alcohol use is limited to those societies that developed grain. Europeans, Asians, and Middle Easterners have a greater tolerance for alcohol. In fact, due to the fact that we used to to sanitize our tainted water, our cardio-vascular systems have evolved to the point that it is harmful for us to get no alcohol in our diets.

Eating what we evolved to eat is a sound policy. But, depending on your particular ancestry, we evolved to live on cooked grains, boiled meats, milk, cheese, beer, wine, vegetables, and various herbs.

Not raw fruits, nuts, and the occasional dead fish.