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Well just heard on Fox News that the Falcons won't be cutting Michael Vick from the team.
Apparently his skill outweighs his reprehensible character.

Thoughts ,Comments...

YES!
I for one, do not care at all what he has done. Call me a heartless bastard, it won't faze me at all. I want to see that man play.

It'll be kinda hard to play if he goes to jail though.

Doesn't say much for the atlanta falcons...

One two-bit hood-rat gutter-trash scumbag among a team of the same, apparently.

Once again America's sports institutions prove that they're a wonderful place to find excellent role models for today's kids!

As I understand it, the fact that they haven't cut him has more to do with his contract (more specifically, the signing bonus).

If they cut him, he gets to keep his full bonus. If they keep him on the roster, they can make him return a portion of it; he won't be drawing his yearly salary either, because he's not available to the team.

The decision is financial in nature. Atlanta doesn't want him (at least the current owner doesn't). I do believe that he'll play again, but I would be highly surprised if he ever again puts on a Falcon uniform.

As I understand it, the fact that they haven't cut him has more to do with his contract (more specifically, the signing bonus).

If they cut him, he gets to keep his full bonus. If they keep him on the roster, they can make him return a portion of it; he won't be drawing his yearly salary either, because he's not available to the team.

The decision is financial in nature. Atlanta doesn't want him (at least the current owner doesn't). I do believe that he'll play again, but I would be highly surprised if he ever again puts on a Falcon uniform.

That's pretty much it. The NFL already has Vick on indefinite suspension, so he won't be playing, and there is the possibility that it could get worse due to the NFL's rules on illegal gambling. At this point, the Falcons are trying to recover as much money from that multi-million dollar contract with Vick as they can, and keeping by Vick around they can recover more than if he was let go.

Once again America's sports institutions prove that they're a wonderful place to find excellent role models for today's kids!

I dunno -- I kinda like Vick as a role model. Vick's fate shows young athletes that they aren't above the law or above the game's rules and policies. Sad as it may seem, we kinda need kids to see wrongdoers taking their punishment.

What I HOPE I'll see, when Vick is done serving his time and paying his debt as dellineated by the courts and the NFL, is that he's allowed to play again. In a nation so completely ga-ga about Christianity, it'd be nice to see some actual forgiveness for a change.

When Vick gets out of prison he will have paid his debt to society, and, hopefully, learned something useful from the experience.

Why should that disqualify him from the job?

When Vick gets out of prison he will have paid his debt to society, and, hopefully, learned something useful from the experience.

Why should that disqualify him from the job?

It doesn't, necessarilly. I believe other former criminals have played in the NFL.

But if his presence brings public displeasure to the game, or brings it into disrepute, then the NFL has the right to say he isn't welcome.

It doesn't, necessarilly. I believe other former criminals have played in the NFL.

But if his presence brings public displeasure to the game, or brings it into disrepute, then the NFL has the right to say he isn't welcome.

Darned right. And those arrests were for crimes against people, not animals.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/15/AR2006121502134.html

At least 35 NFL players have been arrested this year on charges ranging from disorderly conduct to felony burglary, a number that alarms league and players' union officials.

There ought to be 35 more suspensions from the league.

Unfortunately the team isn't responsible for actions off the field. If they want to keep him, it's their right.

You want express your displeasure? Don't watch their games and don't buy their stuff.

Don't forget some of the best players in sports have had rather questionable "morals."

I thought that the NFL's conduct policy stated something to the effect of, if a player was convicted of a felony, they were automatically banned for life from the NFL? If that's the case, then the Falcons shouldn't need to cut him.

I dunno -- I kinda like Vick as a role model. Vick's fate shows young athletes that they aren't above the law or above the game's rules and policies. Sad as it may seem, we kinda need kids to see wrongdoers taking their punishment.

What I HOPE I'll see, when Vick is done serving his time and paying his debt as dellineated by the courts and the NFL, is that he's allowed to play again. In a nation so completely ga-ga about Christianity, it'd be nice to see some actual forgiveness for a change.

religious forgiveness is not the same as ignoring the rules of the game. if gambling on the dog fighting games you run means you are out of the game, then that is what needs to happen.

if he is allowed to play it will have nothing to do with christian forgiveness and everything to do with money.

I thought that the NFL's conduct policy stated something to the effect of, if a player was convicted of a felony, they were automatically banned for life from the NFL? If that's the case, then the Falcons shouldn't need to cut him.

Maybe NFL policy will give Atlanta's lawyers a little wiggle room to get out of that contract without paying the scumbag.

Maybe NFL policy will give Atlanta's lawyers a little wiggle room to get out of that contract without paying the scumbag.

One can only hope.

In a nation so completely ga-ga about Christianity, it'd be nice to see some actual forgiveness for a change.you are expecting forgiveness for Vick?

Here is what Ive seen so far.

#1 Most US Blacks are more than willing to Forgive Vick.
#2 Most US Whites (Christians or not) are desperate to see him hurt and they keep bringing back the issue.
#3 The rest of the World (most of) dont care.. they think this shit is not even worth of discussion.

you are expecting forgiveness for Vick?

Here is what Ive seen so far.

#1 Most US Blacks are more than willing to Forgive Vick.
#2 Most US Whites (Christians and not) are desperate to see him hurt and they keep bringing back the issue.
#3 The rest of the World (all races) dont care.. they think this not even worth of discussion.

As a caucasian US citizen, this is not a race issue to me. What Vick did to those dogs was wrong, and he should be punished. Also, If I had a twin brother, and he commited the same crimes as Vick, then I'd want the same punishment for him as Vick will get.

What Vick did to those dogs was wrong,what did he do to those dogs exactly?

what did he do to those dogs exactly?

From the New York Times: "Within the statement of facts, which accompanied the agreement, Vick admitted to funding the dog fighting operation and the gambling associated with it and to being complicit in the killing of at least six dogs that underperformed."

Link to the article: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/27/sports/football/27cnd-vick.html?em&ex=1188360000&en=1f82e47e7a32c97f&ei=5087%0A

what did he do to those dogs exactly?

He contributed to their continued torture and demise for entertainment and profit.

Maybe he didn't rip the dogs' throats out with his own teeth, but that isn't much comfort. He's a criminal thug.

you are expecting forgiveness for Vick?

Here is what Ive seen so far.

#1 Most US Blacks are more than willing to Forgive Vick.
#2 Most US Whites (Christians or not) are desperate to see him hurt and they keep bringing back the issue.
#3 The rest of the World (most of) dont care.. they think this shit is not even worth of discussion.

the rest of the world not caring has nothing to do with being indifferent to animal cruelty and everything to do with not caring about bad things that happen in the US.

From the New York Times: "Within the statement of facts, which accompanied the agreement, Vick admitted to funding the dog fighting operation and the gambling associated with it and to being complicit in the killing of at least six dogs that underperformed."

Link to the article: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/27/sports/football/27cnd-vick.html?em&ex=1188360000&en=1f82e47e7a32c97f&ei=5087%0A

I was expecting you to tell me he killed the Dogs.
But your article says the charge is "conspiring to sponsor a dog in an animal-fighting venture."

Killing a dog is immoral and helping organize event where dogs are killed is Immoral too.

but.. why dont we Jail the people hunting deers (or other animals) for fun?

Doesn't say much for the atlanta falcons...

One two-bit hood-rat gutter-trash scumbag among a team of the same, apparently.

You just wish you had Vick's skills.

You just wish you had Vick's skills.

A pie-flinging clown with Michael Vick's physique, speed and throwing arm...

Just imagine the chaos! :eek:

You just wish you had Vick's skills.regardeless of his skills.. what he did is immoral.. Its like me saying "we should forgive Armstrong if he took illegal substances because he is so skilled."

I just think all people killing animals for fun should get the exact same punishment.

In this case Visck did not kill -apparently-.. he was just an sponsor.. so he should get the same penalty as everyone "helping" the hunting sports, bull corridas, and other animal sports where they kill the unusable animals.

regardeless of his skills.. what he did is immoral.. Its like me saying "we should forgive Armstrong if he took illegal substances because he is so skilled."

I just think all people killing animals for fun should get the exact same punishment.

In this case Visck did not kill -apparently-.. he was just an sponsor.. so he should get the same penalty as everyone "helping" the hunting sports, bull corridas, and other animal sports where they kill the unusable animals.

I know you just wish you had Vick's skills, and you're trying to hide your envy under a blanket of words.

I was expecting you to tell me he killed the Dogs.
But your article says the charge is "conspiring to sponsor a dog in an animal-fighting venture."

Killing a dog is immoral and helping organize event where dogs are killed is Immoral too.

but.. why dont we Jail the people hunting deers (or other animals) for fun?

Killing a dog and helping to organize an event where dogs are killed is ILLEGAL.

Hunting deer is different, as they're wild animals (whereas the dogs in question are a domesticated breed). A certain number of deer need to be culled every year, or they get overpopulated, starve, and cause property damage (there's also evidence of a correlation between deer population and the spread of Lyme Disease). Hunting for trophies is something that I personally hate (I'd like to see the meat used, so it's not such a waste), but it does help cull the deer population.

ETA: Here's a link to a CT DEP guide for managing urban deer in CT: http://www.ct.gov/dep/lib/dep/wildlife/pdf_files/game/urbandeer07.pdf

regardeless of his skills.. what he did is immoral.. Its like me saying "we should forgive Armstrong if he took illegal substances because he is so skilled."

I just think all people killing animals for fun should get the exact same punishment.

In this case Visck did not kill -apparently-.. he was just an sponsor.. so he should get the same penalty as everyone "helping" the hunting sports, bull corridas, and other animal sports where they kill the unusable animals.

"It's not just a sin, it's a felony. So we have to keep track" -Robin Williams.

Morality is not in question. He broke the law. He got caught breaking the law. He admitted to breaking the law. He's a criminal. Criminals can't play football.

That's about as simplified as the issue gets without breaking out the crayons. ;)

regardeless of his skills.. what he did is immoral.. Its like me saying "we should forgive Armstrong if he took illegal substances because he is so skilled."

I just think all people killing animals for fun should get the exact same punishment.

In this case Visck did not kill -apparently-.. he was just an sponsor.. so he should get the same penalty as everyone "helping" the hunting sports, bull corridas, and other animal sports where they kill the unusable animals.

You do realize how many protozoans you have killed today? Apparently you don't care much for the smallest animals do you? You're probably one of those vegitarians too, those damn plant haters. You're ilk pretend to care so much about animals, but when it's that innocent piece of broccoli, you act like it doesn't have any feelings, like it has no right to life. Your kind make me sick!

You do realize how many protozoans you have killed today? Apparently you don't care much for the smallest animals do you? You're probably one of those vegitarians too, those damn plant haters. You're ilk pretend to care so much about animals, but when it's that innocent piece of broccoli, you act like it doesn't have any feelings, like it has no right to life. Your kind make me sick!

Protozoans aren't animals.

Protozoans aren't animals.

Now you're just trying to dehumanize them!

Protozoans aren't animals.Zayun is just a troll.

and he is not even funny.

He broke the law. He got caught breaking the law. He admitted to breaking the law. He's a criminal. Criminals can't play football.smoking marijuana is no longer a crime in Puritan Land?

WOOHOO !!!

Zayun is just a troll.

and he is not even funny.

_I_ think he's funny.

Zayun is just a troll.

and he is not even funny.

I don't troll that much, just occasionally...

Hunting deer is different..Not in-my-book®
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A certain number of deer need to be culled every year.. I am sure you can find some excuses...
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they cause property damage..the Footyfanus cause a lot of property damage.. still no reason to declare an open season.
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they get overpopulated.... the homoSapiens is overpopulated.. still no reason to declare an open season.
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there's also evidence of a correlation between deer population and the spread of Lyme DiseaseLou Dobbs says there is a correlation between the Mexicanusmigrantis and Leprosy.. still its no reason to declare an open season.. even if the mothafucker did declare open season on them anyways..

religious forgiveness is not the same as ignoring the rules of the game. if gambling on the dog fighting games you run means you are out of the game, then that is what needs to happen.

if he is allowed to play it will have nothing to do with christian forgiveness and everything to do with money.

Of course. That's why I posted "it'd be nice if..." -- I realize that the NFL is a business.

you are expecting forgiveness for Vick?

Here is what Ive seen so far.

#1 Most US Blacks are more than willing to Forgive Vick.
#2 Most US Whites (Christians or not) are desperate to see him hurt and they keep bringing back the issue.
#3 The rest of the World (most of) dont care.. they think this shit is not even worth of discussion.

Why can nobody read? I said "it'd be nice if" we saw some forgiveness. I'm expecting that he'll be convicted and will go on Oprah and cry and be welcomed as a Black adonis wronged at the hands of The Man. Once again, my hope is that young athletes realize that their neither immortal nor above the law -- which is why Vick makes a fine role model. We need non-examples, too. Shit, that's why I'm here.

Why can nobody read? I said "it'd be nice if" we saw some forgiveness. I'm expecting that he'll be convicted and will go on Oprah and cry and be welcomed as a Black adonis wronged at the hands of The Man. Once again, my hope is that young athletes realize that their neither immortal nor above the law -- which is why Vick makes a fine role model. We need non-examples, too. Shit, that's why I'm here.

i guess i should have added that i agree with that point. it is important to see the rich and famous having to pay for their bad deeds just like anyone else.

i guess i should have added that i agree with that point. it is important to see the rich and famous having to pay for their bad deeds just like anyone else.

From your keyboard to God's ears.

Like others have said, it'd be unreasonable to expect the Falcons to cut him immediately. Cutting big-salary players at the wrong time is a great way to put your team in salary cap hell and end up at a competitive disadvantage for the future.

smoking marijuana is no longer a crime in Puritan Land?

WOOHOO !!!

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Not in-my-book®
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I am sure you can find some excuses...
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the Footyfanus cause a lot of property damage.. still no reason to declare an open season.
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the homoSapiens is overpopulated.. still no reason to declare an open season.
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Lou Dobbs says there is a correlation between the Mexicanusmigrantis and Leprosy.. still its no reason to declare an open season.. even if the mothafucker did declare open season on them anyways..

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/einsteinconfused.jpg

I was expecting you to tell me he killed the Dogs.
But your article says the charge is "conspiring to sponsor a dog in an animal-fighting venture."

Killing a dog is immoral and helping organize event where dogs are killed is Immoral too.

but.. why dont we Jail the people hunting deers (or other animals) for fun?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e142/leftyflecken/LOLPrez/hgtoUGvQGC_whatever-im-saying-right.jpg

Not in-my-book.

Unfortunately for you, the law disagrees with your book.

I am sure you can find some excuses...

It's not an excuse. Did you even open the link I provided to the CT DEP page?

the Footyfanus cause a lot of property damage.. still no reason to declare an open season.

Again, did you even look at the link I provided? The information I cited is in there. Also, it's not open season. There is a limited time in the late fall/early winter that deer can be harvested. An open season would be year round.

the homoSapiens is overpopulated.. still no reason to declare an open season.

Says who? Also, humans aren't deer. Humans are sentient, whereas deer are wild animals. Humans understand that crossing a road without looking can be bad for our health, deer cannot. Humans understand the concept of food management, deer do not.

Lou Dobbs says there is a correlation between the Mexicanusmigrantis and Leprosy.. still its no reason to declare an open season.. even if the mothafucker did declare open season on them anyways..

In the CT DEP link I provided, it does have info backing up what I said. Here it is: "Numerous studies have shown that abundance and distribution of ticks are correlated with deer densities." The sources for that statement (and all the others I've posted about this topic) are listed at the bottom of the link.

Morality is not in question. He broke the law. He got caught breaking the law. He admitted to breaking the law. He's a criminal. Criminals can't play football.


heh, if this was true the number of football players would be reduced by a great amount. Hell, in the offseason something like six or seven Cincy Bengals were arrested. That is just on ONE team. Chris Henry is out half the season. Tsk, tsk, those naughty athletes.

heh, if this was true the number of football players would be reduced by a great amount. Hell, in the offseason something like six or seven Cincy Bengals were arrested. That is just on ONE team. Chris Henry is out half the season. Tsk, tsk, those naughty athletes.

Well, they have to be felonies and they have to be convicted. Afterall, they are role models. ;)

Well, they have to be felonies and they have to be convicted. Afterall, they are role models. ;)

Yes, i forgot that simple arrests are not included in this, besides most NFL player arrests are simply drugs and DUIs, hardly a big deal. Mm-hm. ;)

You people and your silly... *sigh*

He's going to be released and it's clear as day. Arthur Blank, the GM of the Falcons, already tried to release Vick before it was ever released that Vick would make a plea deal. However, the NFL Commissioner stepped in and told Blank and the Falcons to wait until the NFL's investigation of the matter was closed.

Now, the Falcons are trying to recouperate the $22 million signing bonus they gave Vick and, under the Collective Bargaining Agreement from the NFL Players Union, the Falcons can't release Vick until after the hearing on that matter has concluded.

Also, if the Falcons were to release Vick now, possibly years before released from prison, the Players' Union could also file claim against the Falcons. So... Blank and the Falcons are waiting until:

a) Vick nears being released from prison,
b) the $22 mil signing bonus situation comes to an end, and
c) the league conducts its own investigation to the end.

Unfortunately the team isn't responsible for actions off the field. If they want to keep him, it's their right.

You want express your displeasure? Don't watch their games and don't buy their stuff.

Don't forget some of the best players in sports have had rather questionable "morals."

you're wrong of course, the morality clause in the players contract. not to mention the rules against gambling, most definately make them responsible to the players, the league, and the fans, to rake said offender, over the coals.

As a caucasian US citizen, this is not a race issue to me. What Vick did to those dogs was wrong, and he should be punished. Also, If I had a twin brother, and he commited the same crimes as Vick, then I'd want the same punishment for him as Vick will get.

Well I am black, and I think he should be fist fucked, by a gorilla in a turkish prison. Or better yet, get a bunch of pit bulls that are bread to kill and let him fend for himself. This son of a bitch is as reprehensible as they come, he's a liar and a murderer. My two greatest regrets with this is that cruelty to animals, does not carry the same penalty as it would, if it was to children. A nd my other regret is, that this asshole, is black. :headbang:

I was expecting you to tell me he killed the Dogs.
But your article says the charge is "conspiring to sponsor a dog in an animal-fighting venture."

Killing a dog is immoral and helping organize event where dogs are killed is Immoral too.

but.. why dont we Jail the people hunting deers (or other animals) for fun?

because that's what WHITE people do. If it's all white, it's all right. animal abuse in any form, should carry a penalty that would make you afraid to hurt a stuffed animal, much less a real one.

You just wish you had Vick's skills.

that bitch has no skills, he's a running back playing at qb.

that bitch has no skills, he's a running back playing at qb.

Okay. It's so easy then.

You do it.

regardeless of his skills.. what he did is immoral.. Its like me saying "we should forgive Armstrong if he took illegal substances because he is so skilled."

I just think all people killing animals for fun should get the exact same punishment.

In this case Visck did not kill -apparently-.. he was just an sponsor.. so he should get the same penalty as everyone "helping" the hunting sports, bull corridas, and other animal sports where they kill the unusable animals.

Well let's let manson go too, I mean the people he only sponsored killing, and the ones killed were unusable too. :rolleyes:

Well, they have to be felonies and they have to be convicted. Afterall, they are role models. ;)

Here's something to think about, ( keep in mind that I am black so it isn't racial) has anyone but me noticed, that in the world of pro sports, it's only my people fucking up. You wanna know why? It's because we claim to want to be equal but when it gets right down to it, we want to be special. that's why every time we fuck up we play the race card to get whitey to back down. This is how dickheads like al and jessie stay in the public eye. By the way who made these assholes the voice of black people anyway. :confused:

Okay. It's so easy then.

You do it.

my uniform requires me to dodge bullets for the U.S. let him do that. :mp5:

Okay. It's so easy then.

You do it.

By the way, other than sitting in mommy's basement, what do YOU do for a living?

Here's something to think about, ( keep in mind that I am black so it isn't racial) has anyone but me noticed, that in the world of pro sports, it's only my people fucking up. You wanna know why? It's because we claim to want to be equal but when it gets right down to it, we want to be special. that's why every time we fuck up we play the race card to get whitey to back down. This is how dickheads like al and jessie stay in the public eye. By the way who made these assholes the voice of black people anyway. :confused:

White people. :p

By the way, other than sitting in mommy's basement, what do YOU do for a living?

Work 40 hours a week currently (30 in Sept. due to college) and take the max allowable number of units in school.

Lighten up. You say Vick has no talent, I say that he has more talent than most quarterbacks... or runningbacks. To be a running quarterback in the NFL these days is a death wish, witnessed by Daunte Culpepper and Donovan McNabb.

I came back with a remark; I wasn't questioning your manhood.

By the way, other than sitting in mommy's basement, what do YOU do for a living?

Are insinuating that, because he's on a forum, he's in mommy's basement?

Cause ya know. . .

Well just heard on Fox News that the Falcons won't be cutting Michael Vick from the team.
Apparently his skill outweighs his reprehensible character.

Thoughts ,Comments...

They don't? So if a falcon raked its talons down his face, he'd be okay?

I think we should test this theory.

Are insinuating that, because he's on a forum, he's in mommy's basement?

Cause ya know. . .Yes, thats what Sessboodeedwilla is insinuating...

He thinks saying "I am in the Army" or "I am Black, I speak for the Negroes" is a license to give shit around.

He should know we have seen hundreds of posers before.. and he should know I am not going to automatically take his word for it.

Yes, thats what Sessboodeedwilla is insinuating...

He thinks saying "I am in the Army" or "I am Black, I speak for the Negroes" is a license to give shit around.

He should know we have seen hundreds of posers before.. and he should know I am not going to automatically take his word for it.

Do you belong to DENSA?

Do you belong to DENSA?No, whatever that is.

but.. why dont we Jail the people hunting deers (or other animals) for fun?

We do, if they don't have a license to do so. Which, if I'm not mistaken, is why part of what he did was illegal. He killed dogs without a license.

Well just heard on Fox News that the Falcons won't be cutting Michael Vick from the team.
Apparently his skill outweighs his reprehensible character.

Thoughts ,Comments...

The Falcons are as stupid as Michael Vick was for his antics. Hopefully they are booed in every stadium they play. If true, I am no longer rooting for them at all this year.

On another note, they are going after his signing bonuses etc.

Here's something to think about, ( keep in mind that I am black so it isn't racial) has anyone but me noticed, that in the world of pro sports, it's only my people fucking up. You wanna know why? It's because we claim to want to be equal but when it gets right down to it, we want to be special. that's why every time we fuck up we play the race card to get whitey to back down. This is how dickheads like al and jessie stay in the public eye. By the way who made these assholes the voice of black people anyway. :confused:

yeah thats why pete rose is in the baseball hall of fame now.

yeah thats why pete rose is in the baseball hall of fame now.

And he should be there but alas, one of the greatest players in MLB is not :(

Ok I guess it's all ok now as Vick says he found Jesus......Was he planning to fight him?


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294798,00.html