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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070827/ts_nm/usa_gonzales_dc

About bloody time too!

Gah! Just this once I was going to be the one to break the story, but you beat me to the punch! Curse you, NERVUN! :p

This is a phenomenon we here in the US call "all of the rats leaving the sinking ship".

Who couldn't see this coming?

Gah! Just this once I was going to be the one to break the story, but you beat me to the punch! Curse you, NERVUN! :p
Sorry... :p

Ironically, I was looking for news about the Japanese cabinet reshuffle and didn't expect to get the break. ;)

while this is certainly cheerful and hopeful news if true, the attourny general is still a presidential appointee, and that means essentially an apointee of the corporate mafia that pulls the presidential puppet strings. a.g. was worse, i.e. more politicized in a position where it is a clear and umambiguous moral responsibility not to be, then his predicesor, what are the odds of his replacement not being as bad or worse? they might be somewhere near even or better then even if the powers that be were anywhere near sane.

but have they ever been. or ever been less so then demonstrated over the past six or seven years?

well i'm not knocking it. things really could get better. and they damd sure need to.

=^^=
.../\...

Well, once the waters have been muddied, and prosectution for the guilty rendered unlikely, it was a case of 'whats more to do?' I suppose....

Eh. Like the next one is going to be any better...

Remember, he managed to find someone worse than Ashcroft...

Remember, he managed to find someone worse than Ashcroft...
He might not have a chance though. President Bush only has so long and he doesn't have a GOP Senate who'll rubber stamp his picks anymore.

Now the real question is, however, is whether this is a record number of resignations or not.

I am truly surprised that Gonzalez stuck around this long, given the public knowledge of all of his misdeeds he had essentially ceased to be even remotely effective. So, while Bush may be a lame duck, Gonzalez was something even less than that. Having an ineffective Attorney General is not something that any country needs.

This is a phenomenon we here in the US call "all of the rats leaving the sinking ship".

It REALLY is, isn't it?

It REALLY is, isn't it?

The bald guy's still there!

Gonzales was worse than ineffective. He did real harm to the legal system of the US by his "laws are quaint" attitude and by treating the Justice Department as if it is a corporate law firm with George W. Bush as its client.

Someone once said to me in a casual conversation -- I think it was a lawyer -- that the purpose of corporate lawyers is to help their clients use the law when it will advance their interests and circumvent the law when it blocks their interests. Imo, that sums up Gonzales's attitude pretty well based on everything we have seen him do as both White House Counsel and AG. With him as AG, we had a man who is okay with "working around" the law (so to speak) to get his own way in charge of the department that is supposed to enforce and carry out the law. To me, Gonzales's appointment to AG was powerful evidence of the corruption of the Bush administration.

Good riddance to the smarmy little wanker, though I'm sure he'll get a lucrative teaching job somewhere so he can warp young minds into worshipping a Dear Leader of their own some day. Or maybe he'll just go work for lobbyists like all the rest of them.

The bald guy's still there!

Darth Cheney hasn't finished looting the corpse of the nation's military yet.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070827/ts_nm/usa_gonzales_dc

About bloody time too!

Cool. I guess they couldn't jog his memory.

Oh Drat! Alwell....Life goes on.

This is a phenomenon we here in the US call "all of the rats leaving the sinking ship".

Emphasis on 'Rats'. :)

He should have been out on his ass the minute he pulled that crap about how the Consitution forbids abridgement of habeus corpus, but doesn't actually grant it.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=dwnqqj5Q1BU

About time.

I'm amazed that he wasn't actually strung up on a lamp-post for all to see before this.

Hopefully someone gets him with a pie on the way out.

Hopefully someone gets him with a pie on the way out.

Noooooo! Think of the pies! :(

I had thought it impossible for Bush to choose someone who would make me long for the dulcet tones of Crusader Ashcroft. But when Gonzalez, and all of his senior staff, couldn't remember...well...ANYTHING about meetings, agenda or the basic workings of their jobs when it came down to testifying before Congress...well, it made me realize that although Ashcroft was a Bible-thumping historical revisionist, at least he wasn't the guy from Memento, ffs.

Hopefully someone gets him with a pie on the way out.

I think we oughta go with the NS Issue weapon of choice: cheese.

I had thought it impossible for Bush to choose someone who would make me long for the dulcet tones of Crusader Ashcroft. But when Gonzalez, and all of his senior staff, couldn't remember...well...ANYTHING about meetings, agenda or the basic workings of their jobs when it came down to testifying before Congress...well, it made me realize that although Ashcroft was a Bible-thumping historical revisionist, at least he wasn't the guy from Memento, ffs.

You have to understand that fuzzy long-term memory is a virtue in this administration.

I'm amazed that he wasn't actually strung up on a lamp-post for all to see before this.

Hopefully someone gets him with a pie on the way out.

'Someone'? ;)

Noooooo! Think of the pies! :(
They'd be volunteers, no worries.
I think we oughta go with the NS Issue weapon of choice: cheese.
Erm no.

Obviously, the NS weapon of choice would be an absolutely massive taco fired from a comedy cannon, but that might arouse quite a high level of suspicion.

Damn! I was beaten to it!

'Someone'? ;)
Heh.

I'll be watching CNN, and I damned well hope I get to see this report :

"A masked man, wearing nothing else but mud, rushed, screaming, at Ex-Attorney General Gonzales with what appeared to be a custard pie. The pie was described as a deep-pan type, around 9 inches in diametre, and was filled with a comedy yellow substance.

The reason for the attack was not known, and the attacker is still at large - the only clue for the police was a two letter initialism of 'LG' which the assailant had tattooed on the left of his forehead, caught on CCTV.

Witnesses described the attack as 'comic gold' and 'well-deserved'. Gonzales did not comment on the incident."

Heh.

I'll be watching CNN, and I damned well hope I get to see this report :

"A masked man, wearing nothing else but mud, rushed, screaming, at Ex-Attorney General Gonzales with what appeared to be a custard pie. The pie was described as a deep-pan type, around 9 inches in diametre, and was filled with a comedy yellow substance.

The reason for the attack was not known, and the attacker is still at large - the only clue for the police was a two letter initialism of 'LG' which the assailant had tattooed on the left of his forehead, caught on CCTV.

Witnesses described the attack as 'comic gold' and 'well-deserved'. Gonzales did not comment on the incident."

*wonders why this tattoo isn't covered by the mask*

Trilby63;13001959']*wonders why this tattoo isn't covered by the mask*

It glows a bright pink.

Heh.

I'll be watching CNN, and I damned well hope I get to see this report :

"A masked man, wearing nothing else but mud, rushed, screaming, at Ex-Attorney General Gonzales with what appeared to be a custard pie. The pie was described as a deep-pan type, around 9 inches in diametre, and was filled with a comedy yellow substance.

The reason for the attack was not known, and the attacker is still at large - the only clue for the police was a two letter initialism of 'LG' which the assailant had tattooed on the left of his forehead, caught on CCTV.

Witnesses described the attack as 'comic gold' and 'well-deserved'. Gonzales did not comment on the incident."

Doubtful, they're still talking about Michael Vick. Why? I dunno.

EDIT: Ah! They just announced they would begin coverage with Bush's statements at 11:50am EST.

You have to understand that fuzzy long-term memory is a virtue in this administration.

Ah. I should have known that when this administration's figurehead kept using the word "fuzzy" in the debates leading up to the election folly of 2000.

*watching Bush's statement*

...I tried to guess how quickly he would call Gonzales a man of integrity/honor/decency...I was off by 10 seconds...

OH! And he just blamed other people for his resignation...

Solicitor General Paul Clement will be taking over temporarily as Attorney General until Congress can confirm a new one.

...And then CNN wasted no time in going right back to Michael Vick...

Trilby63;13001959']*wonders why this tattoo isn't covered by the mask*
I didn't say that the mask wasn't transparent...

*Watching Gonzalez statement"

...Love and support from wife...rights and civil liberties...God bless America...did not take questions...

*scoffs*

"I haven't seen Congress say he's done anything wrong," Bush said at a recent news conference. "As a matter of fact, I believe we're watching ... a political exercise"
Wowzers.

Wowzers.

Of course. El Cowboy is feeling even more friendless now that Speedy Gonzales has gone.

Wowzers.

Of course he'd say that. El Cowboy is feeling even more friendless now that Speedy Gonzales has gone.

A triple post? I haven't seen much of that in a long time.

Ladies and gentlemen...




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We got him.

What a wonderful thing to wake up to :D :D :D :D.

Gonzales was worse than ineffective. He did real harm to the legal system of the US by his "laws are quaint" attitude and by treating the Justice Department as if it is a corporate law firm with George W. Bush as its client.

Someone once said to me in a casual conversation -- I think it was a lawyer -- that the purpose of corporate lawyers is to help their clients use the law when it will advance their interests and circumvent the law when it blocks their interests. Imo, that sums up Gonzales's attitude pretty well based on everything we have seen him do as both White House Counsel and AG. With him as AG, we had a man who is okay with "working around" the law (so to speak) to get his own way in charge of the department that is supposed to enforce and carry out the law. To me, Gonzales's appointment to AG was powerful evidence of the corruption of the Bush administration.

Good riddance to the smarmy little wanker, though I'm sure he'll get a lucrative teaching job somewhere so he can warp young minds into worshipping a Dear Leader of their own some day. Or maybe he'll just go work for lobbyists like all the rest of them.

exactly.

the president has his own lawyer. the AG is the lawyer of the people, not of the president.

and worse yet in my mind (ok not worse) is that in his spare time from subverting the constitution his biggest priority was to stop LEGAL pornography. he couldnt even be bothered to have something illegal be the focus of his tenure.

and worse yet in my mind (ok not worse) is that in his spare time from subverting the constitution his biggest priority was to stop LEGAL pornography. he couldnt even be bothered to have something illegal be the focus of his tenure.

I wasn't even aware of this, which I think says a lot about how much of his time he really spent subverting the Constitution: Damn near all of it.

I wasn't even aware of this, which I think says a lot about how much of his time he really spent subverting the Constitution: Damn near all of it.

I remember when I read about that first. Truly I was amazed that America had rid itself of Heroin, crack cocaine and gang related violence and that I hadn't heard.
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1125318960389&rss=newswire

exactly.

the president has his own lawyer. the AG is the lawyer of the people, not of the president.

and worse yet in my mind (ok not worse) is that in his spare time from subverting the constitution his biggest priority was to stop LEGAL pornography. he couldnt even be bothered to have something illegal be the focus of his tenure.
Well, there you go. It shows that his main interest was in promoting his own and his leaders' beliefs and using the Justice Department as a tool for that. His beliefs did not include a belief that the AG had a obligation to the American people or to American law.

Contrast this with the historical example of Sir Thomas Moore. He was a good friend of Henry VIII's and supported Henry in just about anything, so when the Pope refused to allow Henry to get a divorce, Henry appointed Moore as Archbishop of Canterbury. Henry's expectation was that his friend would speak up for him with the church. But Moore's ethics instead demanded that he do his job as he swore to do it when he took it, and as Archbishop, his job was to represent the church, not the king. So Moore did not speak up in favor of divorce for Henry. Henry was not pleased, and his displeasure is the reason why we have the Anglican Church and why Sir Thomas Moore is a saint now (martyred, don't you know).

Compare with Gonzales who represented Bush as private attorney and as White House Counsel, but when he was appointed AG did not switch his allegiance from George W. Bush to the US as a nation. Although that was what the job demanded of him, he instead used his position to serve Bush, just as Henry wanted Moore to use his position in the church to serve Henry.

You know, I'd be exited about this, but...


I know he's going to show up to work anyway, being unable to recall that he resigned.

Doesn't mean much.

I am sure the wanker in the White House has 3 more clones ready to take his spot.

Different face; same policies.....

I remember when I read about that first. Truly I was amazed that America had rid itself of Heroin, crack cocaine and gang related violence and that I hadn't heard.
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1125318960389&rss=newswire

Now that I read some of the details, I think I do remember this. It truly boggles the mind.

What does AG stand for?

Attorney General
Alberto Gonzagas
American Goon
All Gone
...

Man how many of the original administration are left? All I can see is Bush, Cheney and Condi.

Wonderful. It's almost enough to make me religious. I just have ti find a diety that doesn't make me throw up.

I'm ever so curious to find out what horror our dear cheif executive will install now. Any serial killers available?

Wonderful. It's almost enough to make me religious. I just have ti find a diety that doesn't make me throw up.

I'm ever so curious to find out what horror our dear cheif executive will install now. Any serial killers available?

I hear Snidely Whiplash is the top consideration;

http://www.scalzi.com/whatever/snidely-whiplash.jpg

The rats are leaving leaving a sinking ship, Captain Bush and his two remaining co-horts are standing on the deck with Spanish Galleon about to blow off the sails.

The rats are leaving leaving a sinking ship, Captain Bush and his two remaining co-horts are standing on the deck with Spanish Galleon about to blow off the sails.

In this case it might be a rat leaving the ship through the giant hole in the hull that he chewed...

Wonderful. It's almost enough to make me religious. I just have ti find a diety that doesn't make me throw up.

I'm ever so curious to find out what horror our dear cheif executive will install now. Any serial killers available?

From what I heard, Shrub may be considering Chertoff, the current head of the Gestap-- I mean, Homeland Security Secretary. He's been described as a smarter Gonzalez.

From what I heard, Shrub may be considering Chertoff, the current head of the Gestap-- I mean, Homeland Security Secretary. He's been described as a smarter Gonzalez.

He also looks a bit like Lenin. :eek:

http://www.stargods.org/ReincarnationOfTheSpiritsLennon.jpg

He also looks a bit like Lenin. :eek:

http://www.stargods.org/ReincarnationOfTheSpiritsLennon.jpg

Oh noes! Commies in teh government! Where's Joe McCarthy when we need him! :D

Oh noes! Commies in teh government! Where's Joe McCarthy when we need him! :D

Well the repubbies are RED staters, right? How does this happen? Its like the twilight zone! ahhhhhhh
:p

He might not have a chance though. President Bush only has so long and he doesn't have a GOP Senate who'll rubber stamp his picks anymore.

Bush got enough Dems to vote for his Enabling Act. Nobody I can vote out, for better or worse.

Man how many of the original administration are left? All I can see is Bush, Cheney and Condi.
Condi is hardly a part of the original administration, really.

Oh please, this news is so yesterday.

From what I heard, Shrub may be considering Chertoff, the current head of the Gestap-- I mean, Homeland Security Secretary. He's been described as a smarter Gonzalez.I just caught an earful from a fellow library patron. I read your post to my roommate, sitting to the right of me. Twas overheard by an older "gentleman" sitting to the left of me. LOL. My roomie was so grateful I behave with proper library decorum.

The gentleman claims to work for homeland security and be quite aware of the real threats to this country. (personally, I think his ilk qualifies as a top one) He also claims to know the guy who wrote the Patriot Act. Says the guy is an expert on constitutional law and has won more cases before the Supreme Court than anyone else. I didn't even laugh. But it was hard. Told me how trustworthy the guy was.

When I quoted some of my favorite Ben Franklin at him-"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." he told me that he's sure our forefathers would be perfectly in line with the old Patriot Act.

What the hell. I'm in Oklahoma. Being able to use the internet and having a library card hardly guarantees the ability to think for oneself.

Good riddance :)

This is a phenomenon we here in the US call "all of the rats leaving the sinking ship".

Hmm... I'd say it's more like the pied piper walked the plank and the rats followed.

Really, though, does this Administration have the highest number of resignations? I really am quite curious. I wouldn't be surprised if it does.

Really, though, does this Administration have the highest number of resignations? I really am quite curious. I wouldn't be surprised if it does.

I actually think that resignations are common place. It's just in this case most of them should have done it long long ago so the sense of relief when they finally do is exaggerated.

I do not actually believe the following-

Notice they waited to have Alberto resign until The Daily Show and The Colbert Report went on break...

I just caught an earful from a fellow library patron. I read your post to my roommate, sitting to the right of me. Twas overheard by an older "gentleman" sitting to the left of me. LOL. My roomie was so grateful I behave with proper library decorum.

The gentleman claims to work for homeland security and be quite aware of the real threats to this country. (personally, I think his ilk qualifies as a top one) He also claims to know the guy who wrote the Patriot Act. Says the guy is an expert on constitutional law and has won more cases before the Supreme Court than anyone else. I didn't even laugh. But it was hard. Told me how trustworthy the guy was.

When I quoted some of my favorite Ben Franklin at him-"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." he told me that he's sure our forefathers would be perfectly in line with the old Patriot Act.

What the hell. I'm in Oklahoma. Being able to use the internet and having a library card hardly guarantees the ability to think for oneself.

So, if I get hauled away in the middle of the night and thrown in Gitmo, I'll know who to blame.

So, if I get hauled away in the middle of the night and thrown in Gitmo, I'll know who to blame.Ahem. I'm assuming that would be our commander in chief.

Ten little Indian boys went out to dine; One choked his little self and then there were Nine.
Nine little Indian boys sat up very late; One overslept himself and then there were Eight.
Eight little Indian boys traveling in Devon; One said he'd stay there and then there were Seven.
Seven little Indian boys chopping up sticks; One chopped his own self in halves and then there were Six.
Six little Indian boys playing with a hive; A bumblebee stung one and then there were Five.
Five little Indian boys going in for law; One got into Chancery and then there were Four.
Four little Indian boys going out to sea; A red herring swallowed one and then there were Three.
Three little Indian boys walking in the Zoo; A big bear hugged one and then there were Two.
Two little Indian boys were out in the sun; One got all frizzled up and then there was one.
One little Indian boy left all alone; He went out and hanged himself and then there were none.
Let's see, are we on three or two?

(By the way, I don't hold anything against Indians; this poem is from the book And Then There Were None (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Then_There_Were_None). It makes sense if you've read it).