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Got to thinking about that all powerful God that many people believe is out there. So this got me thinking.

What do you all think? Are there limits to omnipotence? Could God, for example, use his omnipotence to destroy His omnipotent powers? Could He use His omnipotence to annihilate Himself, or perhaps duplicate Himself?


Well?

Whatever your on I'll take two.:D

paradoxes are only paradoxes to the limited human mind. god has no paradox. he can indeed do anything he chooses to do even if it makes no logical sense to us.

If an omnipotent God existed, we would never have been created, because if he has no beginning, then the point at which we would be created could never possibly be reached.

I wish I was omnipotent too. God, the mischief I'd do with limitless powers.

If God's anywhere nearly like me, then it's no wonder the world's as fucked up as it is xD

What you realy got to think about is if he could copy him self could he destroy the copy?

Yes, theoretically he could annihilate himself and duplicate himself, but then, why would He want to?

If an omnipotent God existed, we would never have been created, because if he has no beginning, then the point at which we would be created could never possibly be reached.

God's final act will be to create Himself at the beginning of time. He's a repeating loop. *nod*

Yes, theoretically he could annihilate himself and duplicate himself, but then, why would He want to?

He works in mysterious ways... >_>

Omnipotence, as the ability to do anything (and nothing) is the ability you have to ask this question. Think about that.

I already know I am a God. ;)

See I answered before you posted. Think about that...... lol

Got to thinking about that all powerful God that many people believe is out there. So this got me thinking.

What do you all think? Are there limits to omnipotence? Could God, for example, use his omnipotence to destroy His omnipotent powers? Could He use His omnipotence to annihilate Himself, or perhaps duplicate Himself?


Well?

Omnipotence, as the ability to do anything (and nothing) is the ability you have to ask this question. Think about that.

paradoxes are only paradoxes to the limited human mind. god has no paradox. he can indeed do anything he chooses to do even if it makes no logical sense to us.

Here's an example of choosing not to do something, and it making no logical sense:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/judges/iron_chariots/jg01_19a.html
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http://www.thebricktestament.com/judges/iron_chariots/jg01_19b.html
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http://www.thebricktestament.com/judges/iron_chariots/jg01_19c.html

Of course, you might not mean that specific god.

If I was omnipotent, there would be more combustion going on. :D

God's final act will be to create Himself at the beginning of time. He's a repeating loop. *nod*

...that would qualify that testy, apparently infantile temper he's so revered for.
He'd be so irritated with the sameness of everything!

This is a lame thread. Fuck God, I'm gonna go get stoned.

If an omnipotent God existed, we would never have been created, because if he has no beginning, then the point at which we would be created could never possibly be reached.

Has... has no beginning.

This is a lame thread. Fuck God, I'm gonna go get stoned.

You'll smoke god so hard it'll fall off the table.

Here's an example of choosing not to do something, and it making no logical sense:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/judges/iron_chariots/jg01_19a.html
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http://www.thebricktestament.com/judges/iron_chariots/jg01_19b.html
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http://www.thebricktestament.com/judges/iron_chariots/jg01_19c.html

Of course, you might not mean that specific god.

hey what lego kit comes with a yahweh figure?

and as to the god, the definition of god seems to change as we gain better understanding of the universe and of what he CANT be. things were so much easier back in the days of judges.

Oh, yeah, if I was omnipotent, real life would play out like a porn flick.

Think about it. You order a pizza? Sexy delivery guy obliges on his last run before the end of his shift. Canalisation problems? Sexy plumber willing to check your "plumbing". Sexy neighbour mowing the lawn; invite him him for a lemonade and Presto!

Yeah, that'd be life. Plus, I'm pretty sure that'd take care of all the violence we have. Everybody'd be too busy getting some and enjoying themselves to think about crimes and beating each other up.

This is a lame thread. Fuck God, I'm gonna go get stoned.

The Holy Herb eh? Where do you think that came from?

I view omnipotence as being able to do everything possible in the shortest amount of time possible. Since it is impossible for him(or her) to destroy himself he can't do it.

Also what if god made an immovable object and made it collide with an unstoppable force(that was my favorite thread).

You'll smoke god so hard it'll fall off the table.

lol! I just wanna do drugs. Religion is the opiate of the masses so I guess I'll try church when I run out of money.

hey what lego kit comes with a yahweh figure?
If i'd known when i was a kid, things would've turned out SERIOUSLY different. :D


and as to the god, the definition of god seems to change as we gain better understanding of the universe and of what he CANT be. things were so much easier back in the days of judges.Excelsior.

lol! I just wanna do drugs. Religion is the opiate of the masses so I guess I'll try church when I run out of money.

Just hit the tithe plate while you're at it! Churches have no shortage of funds, apparently.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070825-9999-1n25diocese.html
:eek:

paradoxes are only paradoxes to the limited human mind. god has no paradox.

I really hate this kind of argument. It seems to me mainly an ad hominem - I'm wrong, because I have a "limited human mind."

God's final act will be to create Himself at the beginning of time. He's a repeating loop. *nod*

I like to picture God as a giant cupcake..

I like to picture God as a giant cupcake..

Whoa - for a second there, i read that as "I like to picture God as a giant creampie".

:eek:

Huh, well maybe ... didn't Zeus do something like that, like a golden shower or something?

Got to thinking about that all powerful God that many people believe is out there. So this got me thinking.

What do you all think? Are there limits to omnipotence? Could God, for example, use his omnipotence to destroy His omnipotent powers? Could He use His omnipotence to annihilate Himself, or perhaps duplicate Himself?


Well?

I don't know, ask Him!

:p

I don't know, ask Him!

:p

I tried. He said He was too busy hanging out at His friend's house smoking pot. Cheeky bugger..

I really hate this kind of argument. It seems to me mainly an ad hominem - I'm wrong, because I have a "limited human mind."

does this make you feel better?

matthew 19:26


Jesus looked at them and said, "For human beings this is impossible, but for God all things are possible."

Could God make a rock so heavy he couldn't lift it?

Frankly, I don't care.

I really hate this kind of argument. It seems to me mainly an ad hominem - I'm wrong, because I have a "limited human mind."

No, it's more of a "the reasoning doesn't work because you are anthropomorphizing something that is not human and is not necessarily constrained by human constraints."

I already know I am a God. ;)

See I answered before you posted. Think about that...... lol

It's eerie!

does this make you feel better?

It would if you and I were both candidates for ONE scholarship.

Could God make a rock so heavy he couldn't lift it?

Frankly, I don't care.
Those are concerns for a god, anyway, so you can't possibly be expected to care.
Really, many other people should take similar care of their sanity.

No, it's more of a "the reasoning doesn't work because you are anthropomorphizing something that is not human and is not necessarily constrained by human constraints."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF0eIwkjlaU

:)

It would if you and I were both candidates for ONE scholarship.

you mean you have a better bible verse that illustrates the point?

ewww i hope its not a scholarship to bible college. im not interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF0eIwkjlaU

:)

Get in the Escalade!

...oh, and you shoulda come to the Philly meetup, LG! You're not that far, and one more clown in a group of clowns wouldn't have stood out ;)

paradoxes are only paradoxes to the limited human mind. god has no paradox. he can indeed do anything he chooses to do even if it makes no logical sense to us.

Indeed.

~ Romandeos.

I really hate this kind of argument. It seems to me mainly an ad hominem - I'm wrong, because I have a "limited human mind."

Not only that, but it insults your intelligence (or it should) because it suggest that God is not a paradox 'somewhere' else.

Not only that, but it insults your intelligence (or it should) because it suggest that God is not a paradox 'somewhere' else.

Apparently, it's that humans are the ones who can make burritos SO hot that we, ourselves, cannot eat them.

Funny how things came along in the Trinity Project *slight tangent*

Apparently, it's that humans are the ones who can make burritos SO hot that we, ourselves, cannot eat them.

If by hot you mean spicy, i suspect I'll have to try. :)

Apparently, it's that humans are the ones who can make burritos SO hot that we, ourselves, cannot eat them.

Funny how things came along in the Trinity Project *slight tangent*

No offense, but if they can make it hot, then I can eat it hot. I may need medical attention afterwards, but that's beside the point.

If an omnipotent God existed, we would never have been created, because if he has no beginning, then the point at which we would be created could never possibly be reached.

Actually the Mormon church believes that we've always exsisted too. and even if you wanted to think about it like the way your saying, who says that there arent significant events that happen or have happened up there, I say that our mortal minds can't comprehend whats really going on...

If by hot you mean spicy, i suspect I'll have to try. :)

Go man, go!

Those are concerns for a god, anyway, so you can't possibly be expected to care.
Really, many other people should take similar care of their sanity.

Yes, those are OUR concerns for a God, so even God isn't expected to care. Right on.

paradoxes are only paradoxes to the limited human mind. god has no paradox. he can indeed do anything he chooses to do even if it makes no logical sense to us.

Uh... logic is logic, no changing that, even if it is from some mystical omnipotent being that has created one of the biggest buisness forms ever.

No offense, but if they can make it hot, then I can eat it hot. I may need medical attention afterwards, but that's beside the point.

Oh, none taken. :)
It seems that you have a compatriot in LG.

Yes, those are OUR concerns for a God, so even God isn't expected to care. Right on.

Consider it as such - the term "anthropomorphizing" applies quite succintly here.
If our attributes to "god" are mostly our emotional and psychological failings, it's kinda funny and even appropriate that we attribute our physical failings to it as well, non? :p

Or, as i'd intimated, retain sanity through concerns of the physical and knowable and try not to get hooked on the absurd.
Admittedly, though, it's almost impossible to avoid when discussing these kinds of things.

Uh... logic is logic, no changing that, even if it is from some mystical omnipotent being that has created one of the biggest buisness forms ever.

Mysticism changes only the perspective from which logic is viewed, and hence the conclusion also must change.

But its still logic, anyone can comprehend it.

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/Badbaby.jpg


Anyone?

Mysticism changes only the perspective from which logic is viewed, and hence the conclusion also must change.

But its still logic, anyone can comprehend it.

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/Badbaby.jpg


Anyone?

Speaks for itself. :D

Oh, yeah, if I was omnipotent, real life would play out like a porn flick.

Think about it. You order a pizza? Sexy delivery guy obliges on his last run before the end of his shift. Canalisation problems? Sexy plumber willing to check your "plumbing". Sexy neighbour mowing the lawn; invite him him for a lemonade and Presto!

Yeah, that'd be life. Plus, I'm pretty sure that'd take care of all the violence we have. Everybody'd be too busy getting some and enjoying themselves to think about crimes and beating each other up.

yeah, cause then, only fags and dike bitches would act up. :upyours:

yeah, cause then, only fags and dike bitches would act up. :upyours:

Any more of that god weed around? Seems we have a contestant.

Whoa - for a second there, i read that as "I like to picture God as a giant creampie".

:eek:

Huh, well maybe ... didn't Zeus do something like that, like a golden shower or something?

Maybe, but I think trailers trash, thinks of god as a cup cake because they want to suck some cream filling.

Maybe, but I think trailers trash, thinks of god as a cup cake because they want to suck some cream filling.

Uhm, remniscient of the whole "scepter worship" and Set-snipping/circumcision, and the like?

Consider it as such - the term "anthropomorphizing" applies quite succintly here.
If our attributes to "god" are mostly our emotional and psychological failings, it's kinda funny and even appropriate that we attribute our physical failings to it as well, non? :p
Eh? we attribute all the good things, too.

But more importantly, we assign things.

Or, as i'd intimated, retain sanity through concerns of the physical and knowable and try not to get hooked on the absurd.
Admittedly, though, it's almost impossible to avoid when discussing these kinds of things.

Eh? we attribute all the good things, too.Seems so much more often that the major religions (generally) get swept up in the negative. Something to prove, or something like that.


But more importantly, we assign things.
Which is why we humans, indeed, have managed to cook a burrito so hot even we can't eat it. :p

But its still logic, anyone can comprehend it.

No argument, there.

Yet, some refuse to.

No offense, but if they can make it hot, then I can eat it hot. I may need medical attention afterwards, but that's beside the point.

if there was no one on your level where's the attention coming from?

Actually the Mormon church believes that we've always exsisted too. and even if you wanted to think about it like the way your saying, who says that there arent significant events that happen or have happened up there, I say that our mortal minds can't comprehend whats really going on...

mormons are nothing but a cult. the assholes actually think that they are the true natives here.

Seems so much more often that the major religions (generally) get swept up in the negative. Something to prove, or something like that.
I think it's more often the atheists who get swept up in the negative of good religions, but maybe that's just me.

Which is why we humans, indeed, have managed to cook a burrito so hot even we can't eat it. :p
Just so :D

Got to thinking about that all powerful God that many people believe is out there. So this got me thinking.

What do you all think? Are there limits to omnipotence? Could God, for example, use his omnipotence to destroy His omnipotent powers? Could He use His omnipotence to annihilate Himself, or perhaps duplicate Himself?


Well?

The inability to do the logically incoherent is not a limit on omnipotence. It is a failure of language to create the psychological illusion of a conceptual possibility that is in fact merely gibberish. Can God create a colorless green idea? Of course not. But this does not make him less than omnipotent. It simply means that the sentence has been constructed in such a way as to be meaningless. And the only incapacity is in the apologist to address a meaningless concern in a meaningful way.

I think it's more often the atheists who get swept up in the negative of good religions, but maybe that's just me.

Well, the most devout and fanatical of supporters of *any* of the major religions seem to do a good job exemplifying the negatives. I'm not sure that any of the "good" religions are major, anyway. Just a lot of ones with recurrent themes of vengeance and glory and that other egotistical bullshit.
I think there's a lot of agnostics who notice the negatives in the major religions too.

So, which in your opinion are "good" religions?

if there was no one on your level where's the attention coming from?

Whoa. Didn't know I had a "level."

*throws in a "Dude" somewhere there*

Whoa. Didn't know I had a "level."

*throws in a "Dude" somewhere there*

Well you must, cause apparently there is no god, so the food chain doesn't go any further. right? socrates.

The inability to do the logically incoherent is not a limit on omnipotence. It is a failure of language to create the psychological illusion of a conceptual possibility that is in fact merely gibberish. Can God create a colorless green idea? Of course not. But this does not make him less than omnipotent. It simply means that the sentence has been constructed in such a way as to be meaningless. And the only incapacity is in the apologist to address a meaningless concern in a meaningful way.

What he said.

Well, the most devout and fanatical of supporters of *any* of the major religions seem to do a good job exemplifying the negatives. I'm not sure that any of the "good" religions are major, anyway. Just a lot of ones with recurrent themes of vengeance and glory and that other egotistical bullshit.
I think there's a lot of agnostics who notice the negatives in the major religions too.

So, which in your opinion are "good" religions?

So.. just what are the negatives of Buddhism?

So.. just what are the negatives of Buddhism?

Elitism?

Well you must, cause apparently there is no god, so the food chain doesn't go any further. right? socrates.

More apparently, there is no logic. But there is a Socrates. So... Why would my eating 'hot' equate to no God?

Elitism?

Hahahaha :D

How can one be elite in a culture of 'no self'? I like that, actually.

So.. just what are the negatives of Buddhism?
Suppose i should ask the Chinese? ;)

You know, i have very little problems with Buddhism.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/buddhism.htm
Is Buddhism a religion?

Whether Buddhism is or is not a religion depends upon how you define "religion."

Government census offices and public opinion pollsters generally recognize Buddhism as a religion. Books that describe the religions of the world generally cover Buddhism along with Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc. Even the Boy Scouts of America, who expel Atheists, Agnostics and homosexuals, accept Buddhists as members.

The Drepung Loseling Institute states:

"Like all major religions, Buddhism contains an explanation of the origin of existence, a morality, and a specific set of rituals and behaviors. ... Buddhism presents a transformational goal, a desire to improve one's situation, and a distinct moral code. 5

However, some definitions of "religion" require a belief in the existence of one or more deities. That would disqualify most branches of Buddhism from being considered as religious groups.


Funny, i was in a stone booth yesterday thinking about how you have to place the buddha at a point in the home higher than your head. *urban legend?*


Seriously though, Buddhism's alright.

How do we know there's only one God? Why can't their be a pantheons of Gods and Goddess, or a God and a Goddess?

How do we know there's only one God? Why can't their be a pantheons of Gods and Goddess, or a God and a Goddess?

We don't ... and here comes tha agnostic ftw.

I could see a God and Goddess, because they would balance each other out and they would work together to manage this reality, this universe that we're in, and plus, everything else in this reality has a male and female counterpart so why not our creators?

As above, so below.

Ever look into Hinduism?

Or Yggdrasill?

We don't ... and here comes tha agnostic ftw.

I could see a God and Goddess, because they would balance each other out and they would work together to manage this reality, this universe that we're in, and plus, everything else in this reality has a male and female counterpart so why not our creators?

As above, so below.

Ever look into Hinduism?

Or Yggdrasill?

Hinduism yes, Yggdrasil No, this is the first time I'm hearing about this.

Got to thinking about that all powerful God that many people believe is out there. So this got me thinking.

What do you all think? Are there limits to omnipotence? Could God, for example, use his omnipotence to destroy His omnipotent powers? Could He use His omnipotence to annihilate Himself, or perhaps duplicate Himself?


Well?
The only limit to Omipotence is one that is self imposed.

Hinduism yes, Yggdrasil No, this is the first time I'm hearing about this.

Yggdrasill .. the Tree of Life ...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Yggdrasil.jpg

Worth a gander, as is ...:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_egg

Yggdrasill .. the Tree of Life ...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Yggdrasil.jpg

Worth a gander, as is ...:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_egg

That is really neat, I love studying Norse/Asatru. :)

No offense, but if they can make it hot, then I can eat it hot. I may need medical attention afterwards, but that's beside the point.

Well someone could make a food too spicy for you since you aren't supposed to be omnipotent.

That is really neat, I love studying Norse/Asatru. :)

Hey, no problem :)

Almost all religions have some really interesting things in them. Enough to catch an imaginary fancy, of course.

You'll smoke god so hard it'll fall off the table.

..on top of old Smokie
all covered with sauce

paradoxes are only paradoxes to the limited human mind. god has no paradox. he can indeed do anything he chooses to do even if it makes no logical sense to us.

Let me ask you this, then:

Could God microwave a burrito so hot that even he himself could not eat it?

Let me ask you this, then:

Could God microwave a burrito so hot that even he himself could not eat it?

Hey!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13000858&postcount=41
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13000865&postcount=42
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13000872&postcount=43
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Jesus looked at them and said, "For human beings this is impossible, but for God all things are possible."

Hey! Don't forsake the Legos!!!
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13000726&postcount=12

Got to thinking about that all powerful God that many people believe is out there. So this got me thinking.

What do you all think? Are there limits to omnipotence? Could God, for example, use his omnipotence to destroy His omnipotent powers? Could He use His omnipotence to annihilate Himself, or perhaps duplicate Himself?


Well?

This question, like the ones about the big rock and the hot burrito, is meaningless.

We don't KNOW anything about gods. We can't. We can MAKE UP a bunch of stuff and attribute it to some invisible sky dweller, but the very nature of a god in the first place is that we cannot experience god directly, and thus have absolutely no way of knowing anything about her.

So, if we can't know anything at all, how can we know how hot a burrito she could make or eat? How can we know if she can, in fact, create big rocks, and/or lift them once created? We can postulate that a god must be able to do some pretty amazing stuff, then guess that some of that stuff might be making boulders and tossing them around, but in the end, we don't KNOW anything about god's supposed omnipotence other than what we, ourselves, decide MUST be so without a shred of proof.

Some religions make up for this lack by writing loads of fiction to cover the loss under the guise of "setting down god's words" but this is more of that 'making up stuff' and attributing it to some force which we have decided must be all powerful.

So, how powerful is YOUR god? Just as powerful as you want her to be. Go ahead, you created her, so you get to decide if she is a body builder who juggles planets for fun or a wimp who can't eat hot food. Either way, it is a purely intellectual (not necessarily "smart", but rather "existing only in your mind") exercise. And as such, the paradoxes don't matter. If you want your god to be able to lift rocks bigger than all of everything, you go right ahead. If you can find a way to wrap your head around the concept of eternal existance, your god can live forever, or even find a way to destroy herself. Likewise, if your brain doesn't work that way, you can place any limitations you want on your god. I would even go so far as to say that it is a safe bet that whatever limits you set, she won't mind.

This question, like the ones about the big rock and the hot burrito, is meaningless.Hey! I don't piss on your candle! :mad:

We don't KNOW anything about gods. We can't. We can MAKE UP a bunch of stuff and attribute it to some invisible sky dweller, but the very nature of a god in the first place is that we cannot experience god directly, and thus have absolutely no way of knowing anything about her.

So, if we can't know anything at all, how can we know how hot a burrito she could make or eat? How can we know if she can, in fact, create big rocks, and/or lift them once created? We can postulate that a god must be able to do some pretty amazing stuff, then guess that some of that stuff might be making boulders and tossing them around, but in the end, we don't KNOW anything about god's supposed omnipotence other than what we, ourselves, decide MUST be so without a shred of proof.

Some religions make up for this lack by writing loads of fiction to cover the loss under the guise of "setting down god's words" but this is more of that 'making up stuff' and attributing it to some force which we have decided must be all powerful.

So, how powerful is YOUR god? Just as powerful as you want her to be. Go ahead, you created her, so you get to decide if she is a body builder who juggles planets for fun or a wimp who can't eat hot food. Either way, it is a purely intellectual (not necessarily "smart", but rather "existing only in your mind") exercise. And as such, the paradoxes don't matter. If you want your god to be able to lift rocks bigger than all of everything, you go right ahead. If you can find a way to wrap your head around the concept of eternal existance, your god can live forever, or even find a way to destroy herself. Likewise, if your brain doesn't work that way, you can place any limitations you want on your god. I would even go so far as to say that it is a safe bet that whatever limits you set, she won't mind.
I think we've established that god *is* apparently a wimp who can't eat food, thank you very much. *hmph*

EDIT: can't eat *hot* food.

Hey! I don't piss on your candle! :mad:

I think we've established that god *is* apparently a wimp who can't eat food, thank you very much. *hmph*

Now wait, I never said that meaningless questions couldn't be very entertaining! It is a lot of fun to try and answer questions that have no possible answer. You keep right on posing them. :p

In the mean time, I am going to go buy a bottle of hot sauce so if god comes around and tries to mooch my lunch, I will have something to fend her off with.

Now wait, I never said that meaningless questions couldn't be very entertaining! It is a lot of fun to try and answer questions that have no possible answer. You keep right on posing them. :p
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13000894&postcount=49 :)

In the mean time, I am going to go buy a bottle of hot sauce so if god comes around and tries to mooch my lunch, I will have something to fend her off with.
Yay!
Totally sigworthy. *bows*

Yay!
Totally sigworthy. *bows*

Thanks! Nobody ever sigs me. :p

Well someone could make a food too spicy for you since you aren't supposed to be omnipotent.

Niether are they. ;)

Niether are they. ;)

They still could make something that the human body couldn't take.

Btw, I'm an atheist.

I think "omnipotence" is a relative term.

I think "omnipotence" is a relative term.

How do you figure? Omnipotent means "all powerful". That seems to be an absolute.

How do you figure? Omnipotent means "all powerful". That seems to be an absolute.

If it were absolute then there would be an intelligent answer to questions like "Can God make an object so heavy that even HE can't lift it?"

But there isn't. It can't even be answered logically.

The Bible is filled with instances where God can't or won't do particular things. Yet, relative to us, He is omnipotent indeed. Whether He's bound by ability, by law, or whatever, there are documented instances where He has not exercised power beyond a particular point.

That's how I figure. :)

If it were absolute then there would be an intelligent answer to questions like "Can God make an object so heavy that even HE can't lift it?"

But there isn't. It can't even be answered logically.

The Bible is filled with instances where God can't or won't do particular things. Yet, relative to us, He is omnipotent indeed. Whether He's bound by ability, by law, or whatever, there are documented instances where He has not exercised power beyond a particular point.

That's how I figure. :)

I see what you are saying... but I would say that "omnipotent" is an absolute, while "god" is the unknown. But it amounts to the same thing, I suppose, when you define "god" as "omnipotent".

Remember, too, that the Bible is a man's account of what somebody said that someone told him that it was rumored that god did a really, really long time ago, and then way later someone else got around to writing down, then the original got lost, retranslated, lost again, the meaning of much of the language changed, someone else decided some of the original was not really important and deleted it, someone else commissioned a new translation to suit his specific political needs, then everyone and his brother interpreted to support whatever their particular points of view might be. So as an accurate idea of what "god" really is, the Bible has... well, let's just say it has its flaws.

paradoxes are only paradoxes to the limited human mind. god has no paradox. he can indeed do anything he chooses to do even if it makes no logical sense to us.

Hmmmm......I see where you're coming from, but.....no. One could say (like the amazing Christian philosopher and co-founder of calculus Gottfried Leibniz proposed) that god is "constrained" by his OWN laws, which are in perfect accordance with logic because god is perfect. Thus, there are no "miracles," supernaturally speaking, because it would violate the laws that god itself set into motion. Not that I'm a believer in any sense of the word, but it's only reasonable to assume that god cannot act contrary to logic because it INVENTED logic, and for a reason. This being said, should god exist it obviously exists as an entity quite beyond our comprehension, so it is arrogant for us to say what god can and cannot do.

Still, even a divine command theorist (one who says that something is "good" because god says it is "good," not because it's "good" in and of itself) would agree that it seems impossible for god to, say, make a circular square, because such an action would be a paradox.