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*head asplode*

Wilgrove
26-08-2007, 01:40
By BEN EVANS, Associated Press Writer Sat Aug 25, 9:17 AM ET

WASHINGTON - The selection of a Chinese sculptor to carve a three-story monument to Martin Luther King Jr. on the National Mall is raising questions about what part of his legacy should be celebrated.

King promoted peace and understanding among all people. His primary fight, however, was to win particular opportunities for blacks in the United States by juxtaposing the plight of an oppressed people against a message of freedom and democracy.

A loose-knit but growing group of critics says a black artist — or at least an American — should have been chosen to create the King memorial between the Lincoln and Jefferson memorials in the nation's capital. They have been joined by human rights advocates who say King would have abhorred the Chinese government's record on religious and civil liberty.

"They keep saying King was for everyone. I keep telling people, 'No, King wasn't for everyone. King was for fairness and justice,'" said Gilbert Young, a black painter from Atlanta who has started a Web site and a petition drive to try to change the project.

"I believe that black artists have the right to interpret ourselves first," Young said. "If nobody steps up to the plate to do that, then certainly pass it along to someone else."

The memorial foundation directing the project seems surprised at the criticism. Ten of the 12 people on the committee that chose the sculptor, Lei Yixin, are black. Lei is working closely on the design with two black sculptors in the U.S., organizers said, and the overall project is being directed by a black-owned architecture firm.

The foundation also points to King's preaching — in a quote that will be incorporated into the monument — that to achieve peace, humans must "transcend race, our tribe, our class, and our nation; and this means we must develop a world perspective."

"The bottom line is Dr. King's message that we should judge a person not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character," said Harry Johnson, the foundation's president and chief executive. "In this situation, we're talking about the artistic character."

Lei, designated a master sculptor by the Chinese government, is one of nine artists in the field who are considered national treasures in China. He has carved monuments to many of the country's national figures, including Mao Zedong, father of communist China.

In a telephone interview Friday from Hunan province in central China, Lei said he was honored to have been chosen and was aware of the controversy.

"I deeply understand because Martin Luther King is a hero for black Americans," he said.

But, he added, "Martin Luther King hoped that everyone would be brothers and sisters no matter the color of their skin or their social status, that they would all enjoy the same opportunities and rights. ... I want my sculpture to show that Martin Luther King fought for democracy."

Ann Lau, a Chinese native who lives in Los Angeles, bristles at the suggestion of democracy in her home country and said King would never condone Beijing's policies. The granite used for the statue probably will be mined by workers laboring in unsafe and unfair conditions, the human rights activist said.

Lau, Young and others plan to present their online petition to lawmakers in Washington next month in an effort to force the foundation to reconsider the project. Although the $100 million project is financed with private donations, they said citizens should have a say because the monument is being built on public land.

"The whole thing is wrong," Lau said. "We are going to be permanently connecting Dr. King with someone whose ideology is totally opposed to Dr. King's ideology."

But Johnson, the foundation president, asked why the foundation should hold Lei accountable for his government.

"I think you have to take this away from the government," he said. "We didn't question Lei about his politics or his ideology. We questioned him about whether he could do the work."

The King monument is scheduled to be completed in 2009.

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Associated Press writer Anita Chang in Beijing contributed to this story.

Link! (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070825/ap_on_re_us/king_memorial_protest)

I....am.....speechless.....
Bamboozlements
26-08-2007, 01:51
"The granite used for the statue probably will be mined by workers laboring in unsafe and unfair conditions, the human rights activist said."


This is a justifiable reason for reconsidering the project, yes?

The other stuff... was just... :(
JuNii
26-08-2007, 02:03
what's asplode?

reads article.

"They keep saying King was for everyone. I keep telling people, 'No, King wasn't for everyone. King was for fairness and justice,'" but fairness and justice for only certain people... not for everyone! :rolleyes:

"I believe that black artists have the right to interpret ourselves first," Young said. "If nobody steps up to the plate to do that, then certainly pass it along to someone else."... So why didn't a black artist ask to do the monument?

and why a Black artist? what happened to King being for Fairness and Justice?

The memorial foundation directing the project seems surprised at the criticism. Ten of the 12 people on the committee that chose the sculptor, Lei Yixin, are black. Lei is working closely on the design with two black sculptors in the U.S., organizers said, and the overall project is being directed by a black-owned architecture firm. but I guess some people think that the color of one's skin is more important when choosing an artist and not say... skill or merit?

The foundation also points to King's preaching — in a quote that will be incorporated into the monument — that to achieve peace, humans must "transcend race, our tribe, our class, and our nation; and this means we must develop a world perspective."... just not for everyone according to Gilbert Young. :rolleyes:

"The bottom line is Dr. King's message that we should judge a person not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character," said Harry Johnson, the foundation's president and chief executive. "In this situation, we're talking about the artistic character." Which is contradictory to the second quote...

Lei, designated a master sculptor by the Chinese government, is one of nine artists in the field who are considered national treasures in China. He has carved monuments to many of the country's national figures, including Mao Zedong, father of communist China. and as *everyone knows* you only sculp people who's philosophy you believe in... :rolleyes: [/sarcasm]

But, he added, "Martin Luther King hoped that everyone would be brothers and sisters no matter the color of their skin or their social status, that they would all enjoy the same opportunities and rights. ... I want my sculpture to show that Martin Luther King fought for democracy."equality maybe, but according to Gilbert Young... it's not for everyone.

Ann Lau, a Chinese native who lives in Los Angeles, bristles at the suggestion of democracy in her home country and said King would never condone Beijing's policies. The granite used for the statue probably will be mined by workers laboring in unsafe and unfair conditions, the human rights activist said.and we all know that every one backs their Government 100%. So can we all assume that this Ann Lau supports the Iraq War and President Bush?

"The whole thing is wrong," Lau said. "We are going to be permanently connecting Dr. King with someone whose ideology is totally opposed to Dr. King's ideology." like when we look at the Statue of Liberty, we don't first think of America, or New York, but we think of France. :rolleyes:

Does it really matter that the hands that make this statue are not Black?
Upper Botswavia
26-08-2007, 02:54
I hope the monument that Lei Yixin creates is a stirring and moving creation that honors the idea that all people are created equal.

Unfortunately, it sounds as if the process of getting to that point is going to be sad and divisive.
Seangoli
26-08-2007, 03:01
Oy.

What more can be said, really.
Callang Provinces
26-08-2007, 03:02
Well regardless of the ethical arguements the guy seems like a decent sculptor....
Khadgar
26-08-2007, 03:59
Yay for hypocritical racism! :p
Marrakech II
26-08-2007, 05:32
Yay for hypocritical racism! :p

Isn't it just grand!
Darknovae
26-08-2007, 05:36
So... let me try to make sense of this. Black people are upset because someone of a different race is making sculpture of a man who fought agaisnt racism?

gotta love that racism. :(

I really hope it's a good sculpture though, it seems as though the sculptor is good at what he does (he must be, if he is one of China's national treasures...)
The South Islands
26-08-2007, 05:40
It's like a Hindu making a statue of Jesus.

Come on, people, MLK is the patron saint of Black Americans. Let someone who understands make the sculpture.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
26-08-2007, 06:14
Come on, people, MLK is the patron saint of Black Americans. Let someone who understands make the sculpture.
Why should he be the patron saint of Black Americans? Wasn't he martyred in the cause of the sanitation workers of Tennessee?
I will personally riot if this monument is scuplted by someone who hasn't spent at least one year up to their knees in waste.
Gun Manufacturers
26-08-2007, 06:16
It's like a Hindu making a statue of Jesus.

Come on, people, MLK is the patron saint of Black Americans. Let someone who understands make the sculpture.

I think that if MLK were alive today, he'd pimp slap you for that comment.
The South Islands
26-08-2007, 06:21
I think that if MLK were alive today, he'd pimp slap you for that comment.

It's true, though. He may not have intended it that way, but it's the truth.
Intangelon
26-08-2007, 07:09
It's like a Hindu making a statue of Jesus.

Come on, people, MLK is the patron saint of Black Americans. Let someone who understands make the sculpture.

Swinnnng and a miss.

It's true, though. He may not have intended it that way, but it's the truth.

It's not the truth -- what does a Hindu making a statue of Jesus and a Chinese sculptor being commissioned -- by TEN BLACK PEOPLE on a committee of twelve people -- to sculpt Dr. King? Nice knee-jerk.
Andaras Prime
26-08-2007, 07:11
So? The statue of Che in Havana wasn't done by an Argentinian.
Pirated Corsairs
26-08-2007, 07:23
It's like a Hindu making a statue of Jesus.


What would the problem with that be? As long as s/he sculpted a good statue...
AKKisia
26-08-2007, 09:28
What would the problem with that be? As long as s/he sculpted a good statue...

And by "good", it had better look Semitic. None of this "white guy with hippie beard" nonsense.:p
Lunatic Goofballs
26-08-2007, 09:55
The biggest problem with Martin Luther King Jr. is that he's too recent. There are still people alive who actually remember the man. That makes it much harder to pervert his message into something he would have abhorred.

Still, it's nice to see that some people are still trying. :)
Neo Art
26-08-2007, 11:22
Through all the stupidity, it raises an interesting question. What would King have said about an act that supported the Chinese government? And, could one see why a man considered a "national treasure" by the chinese government may seem a bit of an odd choice to sculpt an image of a man who was fiercely against almost everything the chinese government does.
Upper Botswavia
26-08-2007, 14:39
It's like a Hindu making a statue of Jesus.

Come on, people, MLK is the patron saint of Black Americans. Let someone who understands make the sculpture.

Someone who understands SCULPTURE is making the sculpture.
Dinaverg
26-08-2007, 15:36
It's like a Hindu making a statue of Jesus.

Come on, people, MLK is the patron saint of Black Americans. Let someone who understands make the sculpture.

Actualy, I don't mind. :)
Dinaverg
26-08-2007, 15:38
Through all the stupidity, it raises an interesting question. What would King have said about an act that supported the Chinese government? And, could one see why a man considered a "national treasure" by the chinese government may seem a bit of an odd choice to sculpt an image of a man who was fiercely against almost everything the chinese government does.

It'd be a bit more interesting, I think, if this was an act of the Chinese government, and not just some Chinese guy.
Kyronea
26-08-2007, 16:16
I think that if MLK were alive today, he'd pimp slap you for that comment.

I don't know about pimp slap, but he definitely would not approve.

His message was to judge people by the content of their character...as individuals rather than lumping them into groups.

Let the guy carve the statue. He was the one chosen, and he is a fantastic sculptor.
New Stalinberg
26-08-2007, 17:17
Head asplode (http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/b/b5/Exploding-head.gif), you say?
Aggicificicerous
26-08-2007, 17:43
Through all the stupidity, it raises an interesting question. What would King have said about an act that supported the Chinese government? And, could one see why a man considered a "national treasure" by the chinese government may seem a bit of an odd choice to sculpt an image of a man who was fiercely against almost everything the chinese government does.

And why does Lei Yixin represent the Chinese government?

Here is a picture of what the Martin Luther King statue will look like, by the way.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2007/04/12/P17-070412-02.jpg
Johnny B Goode
26-08-2007, 17:50
Link! (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070825/ap_on_re_us/king_memorial_protest)

I....am.....speechless.....

Damn, racism's a bitch, isn't it?
Wilgrove
26-08-2007, 18:07
And why does Lei Yixin represent the Chinese government?

Here is a picture of what the Martin Luther King statue will look like, by the way.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2007/04/12/P17-070412-02.jpg

That.....looks.....awesome! Lei Yixin should be the one to make this monument.