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Obama, the order was given three years ago

Remote Observer
24-08-2007, 17:33
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20416528/

Newly uncovered “rules of engagement” show the U.S. military gave elite units broad authority more than three years ago to pursue suspected terrorists into Pakistan, with no mention of telling the Pakistanis in advance.

The documents obtained by The Associated Press offer a detailed glimpse at what Army Rangers and other terrorist-hunting units were authorized to do earlier in the war on terror. And interviews with military officials suggest some of those same guidelines have remained in place, such as the right to “hot pursuit” across the border.

One summary states that “Entry into PAK authorized for” the following reasons:

* “Hot pursuit” of al-Qaida, Taliban and terrorist command-and-control targets “from AFG into Pakistan (must be continuous and uninterrupted).”
* If the head of U.S. Central Command, which oversees American forces in the Middle East and Central Asia, approved direct action “against The Big 3,” listed as Osama bin Laden; his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri; and Taliban supreme leader Mullah Omar. The three are still believed to be hiding in the border region.
* If the Defense secretary approved such an incursion.

Other grounds for incursions into Pakistan, according to this summary, were “personnel recovery,” including rescuing troops after the downing of aircraft; and troops “in contact with” the enemy, meaning under fire.

As for “geographic limits,” the memo states: “General rule: penetrate no deeper than 10 km,” or 6.2 miles.

I admit it's not the authorization for a full-scale invasion of Pakistan, a la Obama, but it does give authority to pursue Taliban into Pakistan if you're currently engaged in fighting them.

Also, for those of you in the other thread who want to know what kind of order constitutes an order to actually kill someone, the words "direct action" are just such an order.

It means you're supposed to kill them. Quite unlike the phrase, "lethal force is authorized in the capture of..."
Kinda Sensible people
24-08-2007, 17:36
Okay, this is just stupid. Are you running out of Material, DK? First off, Obama was talking about situations where we had received intelligence regarding targets within Pakistan, and the Pakistani government would not act. Completely fucking different.

Moreover, Obama never advocated a full invasion, no matter what Drudge's daily talking points said.
Aggicificicerous
24-08-2007, 17:37
Okay, this is just stupid. Are you running out of Material, DK? First off, Obama was talking about situations where we had received intelligence regarding targets within Pakistan, and the Pakistani government would not act. Completely fucking different.

Moreover, Obama never advocated a full invasion, no matter what Drudge's daily talking points said.

Yep. Do you have nothing better to do than try at every turn to discredit those evil Democrats, Remote Observer?
Seangoli
24-08-2007, 18:04
Yep. Do you have nothing better to do than try at every turn to discredit those evil Democrats, Remote Observer?

Of course he does.

Such as fantasizing over dead muslims.

Or being the lap dog of the Republicans.

Or somehow managing to have training in every single profession known to man when needed.

Really, his days are full.
[NS]Click Stand
24-08-2007, 18:08
Of course he does.

Such as fantasizing over dead muslims.

Or being the lap dog of the Republicans.

Or somehow managing to have training in every single profession known to man when needed.

Really, his days are full.

aww, I missed him being a sailor.

I don't get what we're supposed to discuss other than the potshot at Obama
Cannot think of a name
24-08-2007, 18:10
Click Stand;12994984']aww, I missed him being a sailor.

I don't get what we're supposed to discuss other than the potshot at Obama
I'm not even sure how it's a pot shot...
Seangoli
24-08-2007, 18:12
Click Stand;12994984']aww, I missed him being a sailor.

I don't get what we're supposed to discuss other than the potshot at Obama

Of course, it proves that Democrats are the spawn of evil, because... uh... I don't really see the correlation, but it's there, durn it!
Newer Burmecia
24-08-2007, 18:15
Uh, point is..?
Sumamba Buwhan
24-08-2007, 18:17
OMG RODKWL has opened my eyes!

I see the light. We must never trust a Democrat ever again, well unless they are pure and good and have a more Republican-style conservative bent.
Seangoli
24-08-2007, 18:21
OMG RODKWL has opened my eyes!

I see the light. We must never trust a Democrat ever again, well unless they are pure and good and have a more Republican-style conservative bent.

Pure, good, and Republican-style conservative should never be used in the same sentence. Even when joking. Every time you do, an Angel gets its wings ripped off.

Not in a *poof* it's gone sort of way, but it in a bloody, ripping, excruciating pain way, with the Angel yelling:

"WHY? WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO ME! THE PAIN! IT HURTS! YOU'RE SICK! SICK! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU, YOU SICK FREAK?! DID YOU KILL KITTENS AS A CHILD? THE PAIN.... THE PAIN... KILL ME NOW! SHOW SOME COMPASSION!"
Gauthier
24-08-2007, 18:25
OMG RODKWL has opened my eyes!

I see the light. We must never trust a Democrat ever again, well unless they are pure and good and have a more Republican-style conservative bent.

Don't forget the other lessons the Great Kimchi has taught us as well:

- All Muslims are homidicidal terrorists and must be ex-ter-mi-na-ted. Doing so is better than sex.
- Beloved Dear Leader George W. Bush is an infallible leader who should have his head added to Mount Rushmore.
Sumamba Buwhan
24-08-2007, 18:27
Pure, good, and Republican-style conservative should never be used in the same sentence. Even when joking. Every time you do, an Angel gets its wings ripped off.

Not in a *poof* it's gone sort of way, but it in a bloody, ripping, excruciating pain way, with the Angel yelling:

"WHY? WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO ME! THE PAIN! IT HURTS! YOU'RE SICK! SICK! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU, YOU SICK FREAK?! DID YOU KILL KITTENS AS A CHILD? THE PAIN.... THE PAIN... KILL ME NOW! SHOW SOME COMPASSION!"



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