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U.S. Gov. manipulating uranium prices?

PsychoticDan
21-08-2007, 23:56
This guy thinks that as the age of petroleum seems to be closing the US government is planning to dump a large part of it's uranium holdings on the market to depress uranium prices to make for a cheaper transition.

Dines' answer is a typically emphatic no. He wrote: "The majority cannot believe the age of oil is ending, so they don't see it. Nothing new there. But crude oil (which had just reached a new high) will drag the whole energy sector higher in its message from the marketplace. Brazil's pilots and air-traffic controllers for years have warned about the short and slippery runway at Congonhas airport in Sao Paolo, but the latest crash and deaths of nearly 200 people finally got the airport closed - warnings don't seem to work anywhere these days."
Dines is searingly contemptuous about the notion that corn-based ethanol might be a solution, and in fact is anything more than a political racket: "We have not the slightest doubt that, while renewables will make a minor contribution, serious energy usage will have to be nuclear power splitting water to produce pure hydrogen and oxygen that will produce carbon-free energy, and it is only a question of how stubborn humanity will be in its belief systems."
Dines did offer an interesting caveat: "There could be a crash in the price of uranium, perhaps instigated by the American government dumping its holdings on the market as it conspires with nuclear-plant operators to lower the cost of electricity for the public and thus gain votes. That might well be what is happening right now ... the American government has announced the sale of 520,000 pounds of U3O8."
But he added: "We doubt that this cause of uranium weakness will last much longer. How come? Because we have witnessed government's central banks dumping their gold and silver holdings in the past, yet those precious metals kept moving up, so we are skeptical that America has enough uranium to seriously "break" its bull market."
Dines said he envisaged "A broad trading range ensuing as markets attempted to balance buyers and sellers."
The idea that the authorities are manipulating markets seems to be increasingly discussed. See June 13 column
For the record, Dines remains a long-term gold bull.

Imma buy some uranium mining stock.
PsychoticDan
22-08-2007, 00:02
Forgot the link.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/dines-sticks-his-guns/story.aspx?guid=%7B74078583%2DAE90%2D44D2%2D81BD%2DF4E26B5D18DD%7D

You down wit OPP?
Marrakech II
22-08-2007, 00:26
Forgot the link.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/dines-sticks-his-guns/story.aspx?guid=%7B74078583%2DAE90%2D44D2%2D81BD%2DF4E26B5D18DD%7D

You down wit OPP?

You want to share something with the rest of us?
Vetalia
22-08-2007, 00:31
If they can, they should. The lack of transparency in the uranium market has allowed hedge funds and speculators to buy up the material and bid it to artificially high prices that wouldn't be sustainable in a more open market as is the case with oil or natural gas. Managed government sales of uranium will force the price down and spur development of nuclear power while still maintaining a level high enough to encourage investment in uranium mines and processing projects. Of course, it would be much nicer to have a free uranium market, but the nature of the beast makes it very difficult to do that without high potential security risks.

It's also important to note that the commodity bull market will soon be reaching its cyclical peak and will enter a bear market phase.
Jeruselem
22-08-2007, 00:31
Cheaper Uranium, more nukes! I feel safer now. ;)
PsychoticDan
22-08-2007, 00:32
You want to share something with the rest of us?

I had a bad childhood.
Marrakech II
22-08-2007, 00:33
I had a bad childhood.

You just described 99% of NSG's childhoods.
PsychoticDan
22-08-2007, 00:33
If they can, they should. The lack of transparency in the uranium market has allowed hedge funds and speculators to buy up the material and bid it to artificially high prices that wouldn't be sustainable in a more open market as is the case with oil or natural gas. Managed government sales of uranium will force the price down and spur development of nuclear power while still maintaining a level high enough to encourage investment in uranium mines and processing projects.

Of course, it would be much nicer to have a free uranium market, but the nature of the beast makes it very difficult to do that without high potential security risks.

I wouldn't cal the oil market transparent as 60% of the known reserves are in OPEC countries that hold oil data as state secrets and do not allow independent audits.
Vetalia
22-08-2007, 00:37
I wouldn't cal the oil market transparent as 60% of the known reserves are in OPEC countries that hold oil data as state secrets and do not allow independent audits.

That's true. However, even though the majority of oil reserves are OPEC controlled, the actual trading of the commodity is very transparent and the flow of global oil, gas, and refined products is traceable on a macro scale. The supply of crude may be partially manipulated by the OPEC cartel but the overall market itself is transparent.

That's different from uranium, which isn't really traded on the market at all, at least not in the sense of other commodities.
PsychoticDan
22-08-2007, 00:47
That's true. However, even though the majority of oil reserves are OPEC controlled, the actual trading of the commodity is very transparent and the flow of global oil, gas, and refined products is traceable on a macro scale. The supply of crude may be partially manipulated by the OPEC cartel but the overall market itself is transparent.

That's different from uranium, which isn't really traded on the market at all, at least not in the sense of other commodities.

you down wit OPP?
Vetalia
22-08-2007, 00:47
you down wit OPP?

I'm down wit OPP.
German Nightmare
22-08-2007, 01:01
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Time to nuke!
German Nightmare
22-08-2007, 01:06
You just described 99% of NSG's childhoods.
My 1% owns you all!
Tokyo Rain
22-08-2007, 01:13
Why not?