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An Spanish friend of mine says Spanish TV mentioned the US army prisons are holding more than 700 children.. Insurgents have accused the US military of kidnapping the wifes and children of suspected hi-profile insurgents.

Its an indirect source.. but I trust this source..
So no, I dont have a link.

:rolleyes:

Last time he used an indirect source, he was right :D

His thread was closed but right nonetheless ;)

I suppose if children are being used as suicide bombers, you have to arrest children sometimes. Not entirely illogical.

Yep, its true. If the insurgents don't comply, the US will drink their kid's blood, and grind their bones into flour to make bread that the US will force the insurgent's family to eat.

A Polish friend of mine said the "Chainsaw Users Daily" reported it, and although indirect, I think its reliable.

Yep, its true. If the insurgents don't comply, the US will drink their kid's blood, and grind their bones into flour to make bread that the US will force the insurgent's family to eat.

A Polish friend of mine said the "Chainsaw Users Daily" reported it, and although indirect, I think its reliable.

I didn't know it was possible to win the thread in just 4 posts. :D

There has been evidence of US troops detaining many minors in Abu Ghraib. Some of these eyewitness reports also include allegations of some of the young girls being sexually assaulted by US soldiers.

http://www.traprockpeace.org/iraqi_child_prisoners.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4339511.stm

However, these news articles are two years old. Therefore, I have to ask, what is the point of this thread?

Yep, its true. If the insurgents don't comply, the US will drink their kid's blood, and grind their bones into flour to make bread that the US will force the insurgent's family to eat.

A Polish friend of mine said the "Chainsaw Users Daily" reported it, and although indirect, I think its reliable.
Is that a lumberjack newspaper?

Is that a lumberjack newspaper?

No, it's made by Leatherface.

most posters so far think this Spanish TV report is fake or "bull"..

I think I am going to add a poll.

There has been evidence of US troops detaining many minors in Abu Ghraib. Some of these eyewitness reports also include allegations of some of the young girls being sexually assaulted by US soldiers.

http://www.traprockpeace.org/iraqi_child_prisoners.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4339511.stm

However, these news articles are two years old. Therefore, I have to ask, what is the point of this thread?


Indeed. 'detaining minors for freedom' has been going on since Guantanamo.
Must be a slow news day in Oceandrive land.

http://www.diariohoy.net/notas/verNoticia.phtml/html/87255

Apparently, 3 child soldiers were released from Guantanamo yesterday, but Human Rights Watch believes that many more are still prisoners and has demanded that US authorities find them and repatriate them.

The two youths were captured in Afghanistan in 2001, with 660 other people. Perhaps that is where the 700 number sneaked in.

I will look for an english link, so that you don't have to take my translation as gospel.

Poll is up.. I hope all-and-everyone can find an option they like. :D

What's a fassist? Fassigan's brother?

What's a fassist? Fassigan's brother?what?
Dont give me that "I want to make an informed vote"
You were asking less questions when you voted at the last presidential elections.

:D

I suppose if children are being used as suicide bombers, you have to arrest children sometimes. Not entirely illogical.
Erm...

"You there, Master suicide bombing kid!"
"Oh, hullo the police"
"Yeah, put your hands behind your back whilst we come and arrest you"
"Wow, you guys are dumb"
"Cuff 'im, boyos!"
*KERBLAMMO*

Erm...

"You there, Master suicide bombing kid!"
"Oh, hullo the police"
"Yeah, put your hands behind your back whilst we come and arrest you"
"Wow, you guys are dumb"
"Cuff 'im, boyos!"
*KERBLAMMO*

Obviously not while the kid's loaded, but if you can disarm them or they attempt it but the thing doesn't go off, you have to do -something- with them, can't very well just shake your finger and say "Eh, better luck next time!".

Obviously not while the kid's loaded, but if you can disarm them or they attempt it but the thing doesn't go off, you have to do -something- with them, can't very well just shake your finger and say "Eh, better luck next time!".
The answer is, of course, in this case, gun them down. Not arrest them. That is, if you have any kind of proof. Not just if they look a bit shifty.

... but if you can disarm them or they attempt it but the thing doesn't go off...the chances of the thing "NOT going off" while you are trying to disarm or arrest a suicide bomber are close to zero.

Suicide bombers are the reason Reagan did run away from Hezbollah.

The answer is, of course, in this case, gun them down. Not arrest them.If you think someone is a suicide bomber... You gotta keep them at distance.
Just tell him to keep away.. because he may not be a bomber.. after all we do not have x-ray vision.

In any event these 700/800 children are probably not suicide bombers.. cos if they dont have their bombs attached.. you dont have proof..

and if they have their bombs attached/hidden you better not try to capture them.

If you think someone is a suicide bomber... You gotta keep them at distance.
Just tell him to keep away.. because he may not be a bomber.. after all we do not have x-ray vision.

In any event these 700/800 children are probably not suicide bombers.. cos if they dont have their bombs attached.. you dont have proof..

and if they have their bombs attached/hidden you better not try to capture them.

Granted, but in the small number of cases where we know for a fact that they tried to blow someone or something up, what else can we do with them other than throw them in prison like the others? Someone suggested shooting them - I think that looks quite a bit worse on national TV than having them escorted into Gitmo.

If you think someone is a suicide bomber... You gotta keep them at distance.
Just tell him to keep away.. because he may not be a bomber.. after all we do not have x-ray vision.
Lovely but ineffective.
In any event these 700/800 children are probably not suicide bombers.. cos if they dont have their bombs attached.. you dont have proof..
Well exactly my point. They seemingly forgot to pack their C4 with their sandwiches for lunch when they were captured. No proof at all on them, which is a bit of a shame.
and if they have their bombs attached/hidden you better not try to capture them.
Hence the whole shooting them thing.

Oh and in the spirit of the thread, and for lulz:

We were in this bar in Saigon and this kid comes up, this kid carrying a shoe-shine box. And he says "Shine, please, shine!" I said no. He kept askin', yeah, and Joey said "Yeah." And I went to get a couple of beers, and the box was wired, and he opened up the box, fucking blew his body all over the place. And he's laying there, he's fucking screaming. There's pieces of him all over me, just... (Takes off his bandolier) like this, and I'm tryin' to pull him off, you know, my friend that's all over me! I've got blood and everything and I'm tryin' to hold him together! I'm puttin'... the guy's fuckin' insides keep coming out! And nobody would help! Nobody would help! He's saying, sayin' "I wanna go home! I wanna go home!" He keeps calling my name! "I wanna go home, Johnny! I wanna drive my Chevy!" I said "Why? I can't find your fuckin' legs! I can't find your legs!"

Granted, but in the small number of cases where we know for a fact that they tried to blow someone or something up, what else can we do with them other than throw them in prison like the others? Someone suggested shooting them - I think that looks quite a bit worse on national TV than having them escorted into Gitmo.
Put them in prison and they'll just learn new tactics from other people. Polish them off and job's a good 'un. It'll piss people off in that country, but after they start getting a lot of them killed, they'll probably stop.

Seems to have worked in Israel, at least to an extent.

Anyway, I don't really see why what the general public thinks should really come into something that can genuinely save a lot of lives, and I can bet that in 90% of cases, my solution is absolutely what's done 'on the ground', so to speak.

Granted, but in the small number of cases where we know for a fact..99% of the time its a Sunni family accusing a Shia Family and viceversa.. its setlling scores and getting the bounty money like In Afghanistan.
Its a freaking Warzone.. You dont really know things for a fact.. there is no CSI Baghdad investigation unit.
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.. Someone suggested shooting them -...Like I said.. If you think they are bombers.. keep them at distance.. tell them you are going to shoot them if they come.
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..TV than having them escorted into Gitmo.This is about US army run prisons in Baghdad. Like it says on the title.

BTW I did a multiple choice poll so you guys can vote in 1,2 or 3 options.. (in case you have mixed feeling on this)...
but some childish people is voting on all 10. :mad:

I guess that is why most poll makers do not waste time giving the multiple choice option.

99% of the time its a Sunni family accusing a Shia Family and viceversa.. its setlling scores and getting the bounty money like In Afghanistan.
Its a freaking Warzone.. You dont really know things for a fact.. there is no CSI Baghdad investigation unit.

This is true. I'm just saying, I'd rather have kids locked up unjustly than kids shot and killed unjustly.


This is about US army run prisons in Baghdad. Like it says on the title.

Well someone mentioned three kids being released from Gitmo with the defense lawyers or whoever being up in arms about there being a bunch more in there.

BTW I did a multiple choice poll so you guys can cote in 1,2 or 3 options..
but some childish people is voting on all 10. :mad:

I guess that is why every poll maker is taking the multiple choice out.

I'm very childish. =D

No srsly that's way too many fscking poll options, you're just asking for it.

No srsly that's way too many fscking poll options, you're just asking for it.So.. you are saying I should have included only 2 options "true and False".. basically just the first two options.

??

... but after they start getting a lot of them killed, they'll probably stop....what do you mean "after they start" ???

we are killing lots.. everyday.

they'll probably stop....
right... and the Detroit Lions will win the next 5 SuperBowls.

the chances of the thing "NOT going off" while you are trying to disarm or arrest a suicide bomber are close to zero.

Suicide bombers are the reason Reagan did run away from Hezbollah.

Funny how the Israelis manage to pull it off so often then...

Oh, and Suicide bombers were the reason Congress ran away from Hezbollah, guess you had a bit of a typo there.

So.. you are saying I should have included only 2 options "true and False".. basically just the first two options.

??

Purrty much.

Funny how the Israelis manage to pull it off so often then...have you ever seen the COPS TV series.. they only show the tapes of them getting the running man.. they wont show the manhunts were they end emptyhanded.

or.. its like the "smart" bombs/missile videos at FOX/CNN.
If they miss or hit the wrong target.. it is not going to be shown on TV.

having said that.. I have seen -@ FOX/CNN- only a couple of IDF video clips about them supposedly disarming a suicide bomber.

How many clips have you seen -@ FOX/CNN- of an IED supposedly destroying an tank/hmpvee..
Now guess how many IED clips Spanish,French,Arab,etc TVs/WebSites have shown?

An Spanish friend of mine says Spanish TV mentioned the US army prisons are holding more than 700 children..

NAMBLA members rejoice!

have you ever seen the COPS TV series.. they only show the tapes of them getting the running man.. they wont show the manhunts were they end emptyhanded.

or.. its like the "smart" bombs/missile videos at FOX/CNN.
If they miss or hit the wrong target.. it is not going to be shown on TV.

having said that.. I have seen -@ FOX/CNN- only a couple of IDF video clips about them supposedly disarming a suicide bomber.

How many clips have you seen -@ FOX/CNN- of an IED supposedly destroying an tank/hmpvee..
Now guess how many clips Spanish,French,Arab,etc TVs/WebSites have shown?

I've seen a couple on CNN and MSNBC, and I don't watch television all that often. I've also seen video of mortar rounds impacting bases, and video of the results of bombings.

Couldn't tell you about Fox, I've not watched said channel more than ten times in the past two years, and mainly then only because Comedy Central, The History Channel, the Sci Fi channel, FX and the Discovery Channel were all on commercial (DC is 54, FoxNews is 56, FX is 57 and CC is 59, Hist is 61, Sci Fi is 62).

Last time he used an indirect source, he was right :D

His thread was closed but right nonetheless ;)

Which one was that?

NAMBLA members rejoice!what is a nambla?

what is a nambla?

North American Man-Boy Love Association.

They were featured in a ridicule role on South Park once.

North American Man-Boy Love Association.oh noes !!!

I hope some of them are not joining the Army.
they could end up working as prison guards @ Abughraib .. doing pyramids and stuff..

Looking at the poll... What's a Fassist?

Looking at the poll... What's a Fassist?

Sort of a gay Humorist with an acerbic tongue.

What's a fassist?its a like a Swedish gay Humorist with an acerbic tongue. :D ...like Nodinia says.

wrong keyboard key -a typo- me bad.

I can tell you for a fact that in morocco many times children stay with their parents in prison. That is because there may be no one else to take care of them or some other reason. The children do not have to stay there but if there is no where else to go then with the parents they stay. It may or may not be a similar case in Iraq.

Purrty much.to be honest that was my original intention..

but then I tried to make it better.. I tried to do too much..

Which one was that?

I think it was the donor show hoax, but I am not certain.

Wouldn't surprise me if it was true.
This nation has done worse.

There's no 'this is (probably) true and it's bad' option on the poll?

I don't know if it's true, but I wouldn't be surprised. In regards to the poll options, then, you really only leave me with the first and last.

I suppose if children are being used as suicide bombers, you have to arrest children sometimes. Not entirely illogical.

So how does this work in practice? They throw the headless torso in jail and play Areosmith for it and pokes it when it falls asleep?

Funny how the Israelis manage to pull it off so often then...

Funny or suspicious...

So how does this work in practice? They throw the headless torso in jail and play Areosmith for it and pokes it when it falls asleep?

It's the least they can do. =D

There's no 'this is (probably) true and it's bad' option on the poll?I am the Poll maker.. and

(Probably) true and its Bad would be poll option 2.

It is unfortunate we are putting children in Jail.. I meant to say unfortunate = bad.

There's no 'this is (probably) true and it's bad' option on the poll?

I don't know if it's true, but I wouldn't be surprised. In regards to the poll options, then, you really only leave me with the first and last.hmmm.. the first??

Poll option two completely reflects your views.
either way its no big deal.. diz iz just some fun unofficial poll.
...

... last Poll option? Thats for your amusement.. and mine. :D

Oh, any links on the matter yet?

Oh, any links on the matter yet?

Wasn't there? Not in the OP, but I believe someone eventually posted a spanish news source.

:rolleyes:

im sure this is a very accurate source as there is still no link to a source on the web

An Spanish friend of mine says Spanish TV mentioned the US army prisons are holding more than 700 children.. Insurgents have accused the US military of kidnapping the wifes and children of suspected hi-profile insurgents.

Its an indirect source.. but I trust this source..
So no, I dont have a link.

I dunno. No comment other than I hope its just Spanish anti-American propaganda.....

:rolleyes:

im sure this is a very accurate source as there is still no link to a source on the webhere is something in English.. It does say 10-17 years olds.

Now I am wondering if the definition of "Children" applies.

Monday, August 20, 2007
BAGHDAD: US troops are holding nearly 800 children and teenagers on a Baghdad base, boys who are largely illiterate and picked up for allegedly planting bombs and now the focus of a multi-million-dollar education project.

Dressed in orange jumpsuits reminiscent of the uniforms of terror suspects held at Guantanamo Bay, the youngsters aged 10 to 17 attend a US-run school seven days a week, eight hours a day, in order to mend their ways.

Equipped with four football pitches, 18 classrooms and a library, the school is stocked with television sets, DVDs, Harry Potter in Arabic, text books, white boards, rows of desks and chairs, and hot lunches.

Running around barefoot on the stony sports field, trousers rolled to their knees and kicking a ball around, they shriek with delight as American soldiers stand watch from a guard tower next to giant blast walls.

Inside, soldiers stand with pepper spray ready, sunglasses clamped round their heads, keeping watch as civilian Iraqi teachers try to instil basic grammar and arithmetic into teenagers who can barely read or write.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=68949

here is something in English.. It does say 10-17 years olds.

Now I am wondering if the definition of "Children" applies.

Sounds like reform school to me. I don't have a problem with this going on at all. At least we are not killing the kids because they are planting road side bombs. Well, at least not all of them.

here is something in English.. It does say 10-17 years olds.

Now I am wondering if the definition of "Children" applies.

There are posters on here that can read Arabic. Next time ask for a translation it may clear things up.

I dunno. No comment other than I hope its just Spanish anti-American propaganda.....

The Spanish are just probably still bitter about getting their asses handed to them by the freedom-hating terrorists.