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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22268123-2,00.html
So Australian voters, will you now not vote for Rudd if were going to before, will this alter your opinion of him?

The only people this will "outrage" are those right-winger conservatives who were never going to vote for Rudd anyway. It will be forgotten by next week, unless the government tries to make an issue out of it in which case it will backfire just like the Brian Burke affair. They've probably learned their lesson but so they might keep their mouth shut.

That said it was definitely the government who leaked this info. In fact for a few weeks there has been a rumour that there was some "dirt" on Rudd that was going to come out and, apparently, there is some dirt about Gillard that is destined to soon come out as well. Better now than after the election is called.

Beattie and others actually think it'll make him more likable and this is a gain, kinda like showing he's human etc. Honestly though anyone who would vote against him for an issue like this is sad.

The actual issue in the original article suggested that Rudd behaved inappropriately once in the strip club. Although there is no evidence (as I understand), Rudd failed to deny this part of the story.

I must say I can't see him behaving inappropriately. However it annoys me that the rest of the media have gone "oh noes Kevin Rudd may not be squeeky clean mister sheen" due to his sheer presence; rather than questioning his actual behaviour once in the club.

Won't change my vote; I still don't like the stage managed (albeit intelligent) Kevin or his party of jokers. Stephen Smith for leader of the ALP!


I also note the irony of Glen "Walkley" Milne reporting this story.

Beattie and others actually think it'll make him more likable and this is a gain, kinda like showing he's human etc. Honestly though anyone who would vote against him for an issue like this is sad.

Yeah. I think the bigger issue here is that this represents the Libs willingness to use American-style gutter tactics to win. The story about Rudd going to the strip club has been known by journalists for months, apparently, but has only came out now because Milne has apparently got a source that claims Rudd touched one of the strippers (which you aren't supposed to do). Obviously he wouldn't just make this up, but it is more likely that somebody within the foreign affairs department made this up to get the story out there. The New York Post editor who was with Rudd say he behaved like a perfect gentlemen and there was no touching or anything, so it had to have been a diplomat that came up with this false claim.

And on a side note, how ironic is it that Rudd's big night out was broken by Glenn Milne (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOW-LbYYB8g).

Excellent. News.com attempts a blog poll, and fails.

To hell with new media, the dumb saps News needs can't operate a browser. News Inc is in fact a junk trader in old media.

The actual issue in the original article suggested that Rudd behaved inappropriately once in the strip club. Although there is no evidence (as I understand), Rudd failed to deny this part of the story.

I must say I can't see him behaving inappropriately. However it annoys me that the rest of the media have gone "oh noes Kevin Rudd may not be squeeky clean mister sheen" due to his sheer presence; rather than questioning his actual behaviour once in the club.

Actually he has denied behaving inappropriately, as has Labor backbencher Warren Snowdon and the NY Post editor who he went with.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22271368-29277,00.html
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/rudds-strip-club-visit/2007/08/19/1187462058476.html

By the looks of it the government has learned, after the Brian Burke mudslinging backlash, to keep their mouths shut.

Yeah. I think the bigger issue here is that this represents the Libs willingness to use American-style gutter tactics to win. The story about Rudd going to the strip club has been known by journalists for months, apparently, but has only came out now because Milne has apparently got a source that claims Rudd touched one of the strippers (which you aren't supposed to do). Obviously he wouldn't just make this up, but it is more likely that somebody within the foreign affairs department made this up to get the story out there. The New York Post editor who was with Rudd say he behaved like a perfect gentlemen and there was no touching or anything, so it had to have been a diplomat that came up with this false claim.

And on a side note, how ironic is it that Rudd's big night out was broken by Glenn Milne (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOW-LbYYB8g).
Not to mention Howard once addressing the Parliament drunk.

Excellent. News.com attempts a blog poll, and fails.

To hell with new media, the dumb saps News needs can't operate a browser. News Inc is in fact a junk trader in old media.

lol, yeah I saw that article where they tried to gauge reaction by weighing comments they had received on articles. Speaking of which, somebody on a different forum I frequent today actually got a phone call from Newspoll. By the sounds of it there was no question about this. I guess this is because it traditionally starts on Saturdays I think, so they weren't going to start over. So since only roughly half of those would have known about the strip club incident it won't really be fair to draw any causal relationships between the poll and the incident.

he had a image as a committed Christian and family man hell all i saw him as another Polly

lol, yeah I saw that article where they tried to gauge reaction by weighing comments they had received on articles. Speaking of which, somebody on a different forum I frequent today actually got a phone call from Newspoll. By the sounds of it there was no question about this. I guess this is because it traditionally starts on Saturdays I think, so they weren't going to start over. So since only roughly half of those would have known about the strip club incident it won't really be fair to draw any causal relationships between the poll and the incident.
Well that 'poll' on news is not really accurate, in fact I believe Rudd has gone up in the official polls, theres no chance the government will move on this, Australians don't like mudslinging - especially considering that running 'US-style politics' is the worst insult.

he had a image as a committed Christian and family man hell all i saw him as another Polly

Not sure what you're trying to say there because of your poor grammar, but are you suggesting that because he went to strip-club he can't also be a committed Christian? Because AFAIK Christians are supposed to forgive people their sins, as everybody "falls short of God's glory".

Well that 'poll' on news is not really accurate, in fact I believe Rudd has gone up in the official polls, theres no chance the government will move on this, Australians don't like mudslinging - especially considering that running 'US-style politics' is the worst insult.

Huh? The guy I am talking about was rang up by Newspoll, the one The Australian runs every second Tuesday. It is generally considered the most accurate poll in the country. If you mean that thing were News.com.au just looked up comments on their blog and turned it into a poll, I agree that is total bullshit and no way to judge actual public reaction.

I also don't think the government will move on this because they actually lost poll points after trying to discredit Rudd over the Brian Burke thing. That didn't stop someone in Downer's office from leaking the info but.

Well that 'poll' on news is not really accurate, in fact I believe Rudd has gone up in the official polls, theres no chance the government will move on this, Australians don't like mudslinging - especially considering that running 'US-style politics' is the worst insult.

Well, "US-style" is an insult, period. But we learn our lessons from our big brother, give them a wipe of "Aussie-style" and they're good to go.

Rudd is a Christian, apparently. Why is this any of our business ?

Not sure what you're trying to say there because of your poor grammar, but are you suggesting that because he went to strip-club he can't also be a committed Christian? Because AFAIK Christians are supposed to forgive people their sins, as everybody "falls short of God's glory".

it called bad schooling due to little money for states schools with a Dyslexia thrown in

and no i'am not as i don't care what he is

i just never knew he had that image,all i saw him as another blood sucking Polly

Who the fuck cares what he does in his spare time? I long for the day the media leave people's private lives alone, politician or not.

Who the fuck cares what he does in his spare time? I long for the day the media leave people's private lives alone, politician or not.

As a private citizen, I long for the day A Current Affair does a piece on me which I can take them to court for, and win a half mill out-of-court.

My reputation is crap anyway, might as well sue those bastards for ruining it, I'm thinking ...

As a private citizen, I long for the day A Current Affair does a piece on me which I can take them to court for, and win a half mill out-of-court.

My reputation is crap anyway, might as well sue those bastards for ruining it, I'm thinking ...

As it happens I have the mobile phone number of an ACA producer sitting somewhere on my computer. An anonymous SMS and some strategically placed "evidence"...

I was considering doing a donkey vote for this election but after this story, its Rudd all the way.

:p

He's been promoted as such a goody goody Christian leader and now we find he went to a strip joint... the PR will be fantastic, it shows that he's got a human side. And the fact that the Liberals are trying to paint him as some depraved weirdo just shows that the Liberals truly are just a bunch of shithouse rats.

... Polly

"Pollie."
When you shorten a word to show familiarity or disrespect, it's generally "-ie" rather than "-y."

Also, the "-ie" diminuation is rather American. We used to go with "-o" as in "Commo" for Communist or "Surfo" for Surfer. Fuck knows where we got that from, perhaps the Italian immigrants.

Mmm, and the Poms say "Pollie" ... unless they're talking about parrots.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22268123-2,00.html
So Australian voters, will you now not vote for Rudd if were going to before, will this alter your opinion of him?

But can he protect you from horny camels? :eek:

"Pollie."
When you shorten a word to show familiarity or disrespect, it's generally "-ie" rather than "-y."

Also, the "-ie" diminuation is rather American. We used to go with "-o" as in "Commo" for Communist or "Surfo" for Surfer. Fuck knows where we got that from, perhaps the Italian immigrants.

Mmm, and the Poms say "Pollie" ... unless they're talking about parrots.

google Polly slang and see for yourself that both are right

And anyway, the correct response from Rudd would have been

"I'm sure I haven't attended any more strip clubs than John Howard has, and the Australian people, and particularly Australian families, can rest assured that I took all means necessary to ensure that no-one was exploited or misrepresented, just like my mate John who was buying the drinks."

Meh, I can't say I'm surprised. We are just watching what I believe is phase 2 of Johnnie's election campaign. Howard is an expert politician, so don't underestimate his chances.

John howard spends $190 million on a new war on porn less than a year away from elections.

A disgraceful story of a visit to a strip club by his major contender half a decade ago surfaces and hits the papers.

He is going after the conservative vote. That won't be enough on it's own, though. It'll be interesting to see what his next move is. Whatever it is, it will indicate the next demographic he is going to fight for.

My guess; families. Some kind of handout. Or, more dirt on Rudd that families will find particularly sensitive. Rudd needs to play hard ball back if he wants the prize. My advice to Rudd would be to look to the biggest pile of dirt Howard has, Iraq, for more controversies. Or resurface some of Howards 80's near-facist racism.

Who the fuck cares what he does in his spare time? Plenty of voters care, thus the front page tabloid coverage. I long for the day the media leave people's private lives alone, politician or not. Don't hold your breath.

Wow.
A night in a strip club four years ago.

Should probably just execute him now.:sniper:

The current defense minister Brendan Nelson said he visited a strip too so I think most pollies don't want talk about too much as they might have their past dug too as they might have had a few visits to funny places too. :p

Everybody is, correctly, asking what the big deal is.

The thing was that in Milne's article that "broke" the story, there were claims that Rudd was acting inappropriately and touching the strippers. The story minus the inappropriate behaviour bit had been known for months by journos who had (rightfully) decided not to publish it.

Alexander Downer knew the story also, and made some comments about it during parliament (though they were not recorded in Hansard). So the only logical explanation is that someone in Downer's office or department who knew and wanted to break the story leaked the alleged inappropriate info to Milne. Of course this behaviour is a complete fabrication not supported by anybody who went to the club with Rudd and was only made-up so Milne had an excuse to publish the story.

Everybody is, correctly, asking what the big deal is.

The thing was that in Milne's article that "broke" the story, there were claims that Rudd was acting inappropriately and touching the strippers. The story minus the inappropriate behaviour bit had been known for months by journos who had (rightfully) decided not to publish it.

Alexander Downer knew the story also, and made some comments about it during parliament (though they were not recorded in Hansard). So the only logical explanation is that someone in Downer's office or department who knew and wanted to break the story leaked the alleged inappropriate info to Milne. Of course this behaviour is a complete fabrication not supported by anybody who went to the club with Rudd and was only made-up so Milne had an excuse to publish the story.

Glenn Milne should know about being drunk, he was the drunk idiot at the last Walkley awards.

I doubt this will change anything, and seeing as the entire Coalition are outright refusing to comment on the story, I'd say even if 'idiot son of the aristocracy' department did leak it, they're all obviously now regretting it and not commenting, I'd say the government learnt their lesson from the Burke affair, in short the electorate gave a collective shrug and the govt polls went down a point or so. It's just sensational 'journalism' if you can even call it that, seeing the new source who brought the info about Rudd touching the ladies is well and truly well of crap, I'd say the govt should put down the mudbucket.