NationStates Jolt Archive

Apparently, the US is so tough on Immigration, that it has taken to deporting it's own citizens.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/WRONGFUL_DEPORTATION?


wrongly deported U.S. citizen who was missing for nearly three months in Mexico ate out of garbage cans, bathed in rivers and was repeatedly turned away by U.S. border agents when he tried to return to California, his family said Tuesday.

Pedro Guzman, 29, was picked up at the Calexico border crossing over the weekend and released to his family on Tuesday.

Guzman was shaking, stuttering and appeared traumatized, his family said at a news conference. The family said it planned to seek medical attention for Guzman, who was not at the news conference.

"They took him whole, but only returned half of him to me," his mother, Maria Carbajal, said in Spanish while crying. "The government is responsible for this."

The family had been searching for Guzman in Tijuana since he was deported May 11.

They said Guzman told them Tuesday that he had tried to return to the United States several times but was turned away. He walked more than 100 miles to Calexico, the family said.

"The border guards told him to 'stop playing around,' said Michael Guzman, the man's brother.

Authorities and the family have presented conflicting versions of how Guzman was deported.

He served about 20 days of a 120-day jail term for a misdemeanor trespassing violation when he was deported to Mexico, according to authorities. Immigration and sheriff's officials have said Guzman told them he was an illegal immigrant, and turned over to media the voluntary deportation papers allegedly signed by Guzman.

The family said Guzman was mentally disabled - a claim the government has contested - and was possibly confused by the paperwork.

Guzman's relatives sued the Department of Homeland Security and the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department in federal court in June, claiming Guzman was American and had been wrongfully deported.

The American Civil Liberties Union, which filed the lawsuit, has said it has a copy of Guzman's birth certificate showing he was born at Los Angeles County-USC Medical Center.

In the lawsuit, the family said he was asked about his immigration status in jail and responded that he was born in California.

Sometime after that, the Sheriff's Department identified him as a non-citizen, obtained his signature for voluntary removal from the United States and turned him over to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement for deportation.

Guzman was picked up in Calexico after U.S. authorities, doing a background check, found there was a warrant for his arrest for failing to attend probation hearings related to the misdemeanor violation, said Mark Rosenbaum, ACLU legal director for Southern California.

The family said Guzman had previously done jail time for drug possession, so he had a record that could have been cross-checked before a deportation decision was made.

Immigration and sheriff's officials said they followed all the necessary protocol and have done nothing wrong.

Guzman's parents are from Mexico, but seven children, including Pedro, were born in California, according to the family.

Lori Haley, an ICE spokeswoman, declined to comment, citing pending litigation.


Awe, America. Land of the free, home of the kicking your ass out if you're brown.

P.S.-If this has been posted before, forgiveness please. I went back a ways, and couldn't find anything.

But he's brown, and we all know that brown people are either terrorists or illegals! :rolleyes:

But he's brown, and we all know that brown people are either terrorists or illegals! :rolleyes:

You do know I have just reported you to the NSA for that one time you got a tan five years ago, no?

You do know I have just reported you to the NSA for that one time you got a tan five years ago, no?

But... but.. but... I don't tan! I burn, then I stay pale. The perils of being a dutch/english/irish/norwegian combo.

Wannabes.

Vivian Solon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivian_Solon)
Cornelia Rau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelia_Rau)
And to a lesser extent:
Robert Jovicic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jovicic)

But... but.. but... I don't tan! I burn, then I stay pale. The perils of being a dutch/english/irish/norwegian combo.

Tell it to the heavily armed men who will being showing up at your door in a few minutes.

Wannabes.

Vivian Solon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivian_Solon)
Cornelia Rau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelia_Rau)
And to a lesser extent:
Robert Jovicic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jovicic)

Eh, we're catching up.

Tell it to the heavily armed men who will being showing up at your door in a few minutes.

:p

I've already heard this one;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_in_East_L.A.

Sorry, USA - Australia beat you to this one. :)

He still isn't a citizen. Just being born here means jack shit if you aren't registered.

His whole family should get the boot.

He still isn't a citizen. Just being born here means jack shit if you aren't registered.

Um, no.

Anyone born on american soil, no matter who you are, or who your parents are, is a US citizen

Immigration and sheriff's officials said they followed all the necessary protocol and have done nothing wrong.

Nothing wrong, except for the fact that they DEPORTED A CITIZEN.

He still isn't a citizen. Just being born here means jack shit if you aren't registered.

His whole family should get the boot.
As amusing as this play is, some one needs to cut the strings.

Nothing wrong, except for the fact that they DEPORTED A CITIZEN.

That's just a minor issue. What's important is that they're getting those damned brown people away from White America(tm)

That's just a minor issue. What's important is that they're getting those damned brown people away from White America(tm)

'Dem brown citizens are takin' ar' jerbs!

Dare takin' ar' jerbs! Deport them to their home country... oh... wait...

While it's upsetting this man was deported for not doing anything, I can't say I've never wanted to deport a citizen.

He still isn't a citizen. Just being born here means jack shit if you aren't registered.

His whole family should get the boot.

Are YOU registered? Of course you aren't. What's a driver's license mean anyway? Certainly not that you're a citizen. Maybe we can stuff you, and each and every one of your ancestors back into their respective wombs and deport them to their original country.

What in the hell are you jabbering about, you nut? I've been paying taxes, collecting social security for 41 years. I am also a veteran of the 7th Marine Regiment, 2nd battalion, Fox Company who has served three tours in Vietnam.

Doubt this chump who has been arrested several times, and is living with his mother has been doing anything worthwhile.

Also, the link is broken, and I can't find this story on any other news site. Please give me another link.

What in the hell are you jabbering about, you nut?

The equal amounts of jabbering you like to put up. Baseless accusations, illegal and unconstitutional courses of actions espoused. Not so fun when the shoe's on the other foot now is it?

Besides. What proof is there that what you say is true? For all we know, you live in your mother's basement, suck down welfare like a teat, and are unemployed.

But you're all too willing to go "This guy has done nothing worthwhile"

Hypocrite.

The equal amounts of jabbering you like to put up. Baseless accusations, illegal and unconstitutional courses of actions espoused. Not so fun when the shoe's on the other foot now is it?

Besides. What proof is there that what you say is true? For all we know, you live in your mother's basement, suck down welfare like a teat, and are unemployed.

But you're all too willing to go "This guy has done nothing worthwhile"

Hypocrite.

I am retired now. What do you want me to do? Write my life story? Scan my Reuters ID card that I've used for the past 30 years?

I found another source and reports from Newspapers claim Carbajal's son was a construction worker. If the man had complied with legal hiring laws, he would have had employment documents to show authorities. Therefore much if not all of the blame for Pedro Guzman's arrest and deportation remains with him.

Immigration and sheriff's officials have said Guzman told them he was an illegal immigrant, and turned over to media the voluntary deportation papers allegedly signed by Guzman.

Sorry, Guzman's family now claims he was mentally incapacitated when he signed papers allowing the deportation. It's his OWN FAULT.

Decades ago, illegal aliens in California couldn't throw media tantrums, or point fingers at law enforcement for their own manipulation of state and federal law. Now, illegal immigrants can blame the government for the actions of their 7 mentally challenged children gone awry.

Sorry, Guzman's family now claims he was mentally incapacitated when he signed papers allowing the deportation. It's his OWN FAULT.

Decades ago, illegal aliens in California couldn't throw media tantrums, or point fingers at law enforcement for their own manipulation of state and federal law. Now, illegal immigrants can blame the government for the actions of their 7 mentally challenged children gone awry.

Alright, breaking the law does not mean you get deported. Ever, if you are a US citizen. As well, as Guzman was mentally incapacitated, as you freely admit, he can not, should not, and hopefully will not be held responsible for signing said document.

Also, I haven't seen anything claiming that Guzman's parents were illegal immigrants, merely immigrants. Even so, Guzman is a US citizen. The actions of his parents do not mean he is allowed to be deported. Period. Fin'. End of story.

Hey! Your ancestors weren't originally from here. I guess you can be deported as well. Same god damn imbecilic logic.

Thats embarrasing...lol

I found another source and reports from Newspapers claim Carbajal's son was a construction worker. If the man had complied with legal hiring laws, he would have had employment documents to show authorities. Therefore much if not all of the blame for Pedro Guzman's arrest and deportation remains with him.
Do you have YOUR employee papers handy? I mean, you're retired so I'm sure that if I grabbed you on the street you could show proof, right?

Now, illegal immigrants can blame the government for the actions of their 7 mentally challenged children gone awry.
The status of his parents (Which we don't know and you are assuming) aside, he was born in the US, he's a US citizen. Sorry, there's this small thing called the 14th amendment to the Constitution. You might want to read up on it.

At the end of the day, two things matter:

1) it doesn't matter what his parents did. We do not hold children accountable for the crimes of his parents. Regardless of whether or not his family is here illegally, a child born on US soil is a US citzen. He was born in california, he is legally as much an american as I am

2) it doesn't matter what crimes he comitted. Deportation is not a punishment for crimes done by citizens. If he committed a crime, certainly, place him in jail, try him, and if you have sufficient evidence, convict him. But you can't deport an american citizen

3) it doesn't matter he wasn't carrying papers on him. Here in america we do not require american citizens to carry identification papers.

4) it doesn't matter whether or not he could "prove" himself to be a US citizen. it is the job of the department of immigration to prove that he is not.

I am retired now. What do you want me to do? Write my life story? Scan my Reuters ID card that I've used for the past 30 years?

Yes. If you cannot produce certifiable proof that you are an American citizen at any one point of time at my, or authorities choosing, you can and will be deported.

And by your standards, not only you, but your children, your spouse, your parents, and everyone related to you regardless of their citizenship status.


I found another source and reports from Newspapers claim Carbajal's son was a construction worker. If the man had complied with legal hiring laws, he would have had employment documents to show authorities. Therefore much if not all of the blame for Pedro Guzman's arrest and deportation remains with him.

And of course we're supposed to take your word for it. But nevermind that.

If we snatch you off the road at a time of my choosing, I fully expect you to be able to produce valid registration immediately or face deportation.


Sorry, Guzman's family now claims he was mentally incapacitated when he signed papers allowing the deportation. It's his OWN FAULT.


So nice to know that you would enforce legal contracts on drunk, unconscious and otherwise mentally incapacitated people.

I know who to visit know with several well armed people, a cocktail of psychotropic drugs and a contract signing over all your worldly goods.


Decades ago, illegal aliens in California couldn't throw media tantrums, or point fingers at law enforcement for their own manipulation of state and federal law. Now, illegal immigrants can blame the government for the actions of their 7 mentally challenged children gone awry.

Some 15 decades ago slavery was legal. 6 decades ago, you could put people in camps, confiscate their property and treat them like animals because their great grandparents came from a country you didn't like. 5 decades ago, people of African descent couldn't vote. Today, we have neo-nazi white supremacists like Hal Turner calling for, and aiding in, the murder of people along race lines and getting away with it.

Confused?

Good.

Just because things were different in the old days doesn't make it any better.

Oh, and I see you automatically assumed him to be an illegal immigrant.

Like you, since you couldn't produce proof of your citizenship. Better pack your bags. You and your family are going on a long trip to nowhere.

Maybe the bottom of the ocean if we can't find your country of origin.

You Americans think your government is anti-immigration!?! At least your government doesn't deport them to offshore concentration camps for indefinete periods of time, in which the conditions are so bad people try suicide and riots to highlight attention to it.

Hey I see the troll's gone. I guess he figured out that "I was in the military!" doesn't actually buy him credit here, just like anywhere else in the rational world.