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,000,00- Would you murder another?

Siylva
16-08-2007, 22:32
Simple, would you kill another person for a million dollars? Assume that you won't get caught after commiting the crime.
UpwardThrust
16-08-2007, 22:33
Simple, would you kill another person for a million dollars? Assume that you won't get caught after commiting the crime.

Missing a 0 bud
Siylva
16-08-2007, 22:35
Missing a 0 bud

lmao, well its supposed to be $1,000,000.

So, would you?
Zilam
16-08-2007, 22:35
No.
New Stalinberg
16-08-2007, 22:36
Probably not, unless the guy fell under these categories:

1. Not married
2. An all around bad guy
3. Potential for fucking things up in the future. *Cough* Mitt Romney/Hillary Clinton *Cough*
4. A menace to society
5. Has already commited an unjustified murder

If it was someone who I didn't know anything about, I wouldn't do it for a billion dollars.
Trollgaard
16-08-2007, 22:36
No, I don't think I would.
Kinda Sensible people
16-08-2007, 22:36
A million isn't worth beating someone up for, even. A million is nothing, you spend it like water and it's gone.

Not that you could pay me enough to kill someone.
Khadgar
16-08-2007, 22:36
Million isn't much money, but I suppose it depends on the person and my mood.
Soviestan
16-08-2007, 22:38
Possibly, but probably not.
Twafflonia
16-08-2007, 22:38
No.

If you'd said "kill" another, rather than "murder" I might have thought about it a little longer before saying no, but murder implies an undeserved death.
The Atlantian islands
16-08-2007, 22:38
Obviously it depends. There are some people, yeah...but many many other, no.

For instance, Osama, some North Koreans, Russian mafia guys, Mrs. Clinton, ect, deserve death, so why not make a million giving em' what they deserve?
Katganistan
16-08-2007, 22:40
Nope.
Vetalia
16-08-2007, 22:41
Absolutely not.
Cahernacrin
16-08-2007, 22:44
No1 sud get 2 play god...
Ashmoria
16-08-2007, 22:44
no.

i have enough financial security that that level of evil doesnt tempt me.
Kinda Sensible people
16-08-2007, 22:45
Obviously it depends. There are some people, yeah...but many many other, no.

For instance, Osama, some North Koreans, Russian mafia guys, Mrs. Clinton, ect, deserve death, so why not make a million giving em' what they deserve?

How truly despicable.
Fleckenstein
16-08-2007, 22:46
Probably.
New Stalinberg
16-08-2007, 22:49
How truly despicable.

No.

Lincoln, JFK, and RFK's deaths were truly despicable.

Hillary? She's risking running our dear country even more to the ground after Dubya's regime comes crashing down.

Her and Mitt need to be killed before things get out of hand.
Callisdrun
16-08-2007, 22:50
Depends on the person.

I mean, Karl Rove has been in the news recently...

My point is just that there are some people whose deaths would be their own reward, a million dollars would just be a bonus.
GreaterPacificNations
16-08-2007, 22:50
Simple, would you kill another person for a million dollars? Assume that you won't get caught after commiting the crime. By removing the threat of punishment afterhand, you just removed the only significant drawback involved in killing a person. In short; hell yes.
New Stalinberg
16-08-2007, 22:52
I seriously doubt that any of you guys would go through with killing someone.

I know I wouldn't, and I own an AK-47.
MercyMe
16-08-2007, 22:53
Only if the victim-to-be committed another, equally or more deplorable act before hand. But I would hardly think politicians of all people should be marked for death.
JuNii
16-08-2007, 22:53
nope.
Kinda Sensible people
16-08-2007, 22:54
No.

Lincoln, JFK, and RFK's deaths were truly despicable.

Hillary? She's risking running our dear country even more to the ground after Dubya's regime comes crashing down.

Her and Mitt need to be killed before things get out of hand.

Bullshit. Hillary Clinton does not belong on any list beside gangsters and Osama Bin Laden. Moreover, she is not the threat you cast her has. Either way, advocating for the death of someone because of their political beleifs is despicable.
Callisdrun
16-08-2007, 22:54
Only if the victim-to-be committed another, equally or more deplorable act before hand. But I would hardly think politicians of all people should be marked for death.

Even though thousands can die at the strokes of their pens?
New Stalinberg
16-08-2007, 22:55
Bullshit. Hillary Clinton does not belong on any list beside gangsters and Osama Bin Laden. Moreover, she is not the threat you cast her has. Either way, advocating for the death of someone because of their political beleifs is despicable.

Trust me, it's much, much more than her "political beliefs."
Twafflonia
16-08-2007, 22:57
Only if the victim-to-be committed another, equally or more deplorable act before hand. But I would hardly think politicians of all people should be marked for death.

Yeah, we should come up with some kind of rehabilitation program for politicians. Maybe we can make them useful to society after all...
GreaterPacificNations
16-08-2007, 22:57
I seriously doubt that any of you guys would go through with killing someone.

I know I wouldn't, and I own an AK-47.
I would. The trick is to detach whilst doing it.
Kinda Sensible people
16-08-2007, 22:58
Trust me, it's much, much more than her "political beliefs."

Nonsense. You are merely constructing irrational hate based off of an inane right wing talking point. Do not allow your thought process to be unduly influenced by those who know jack shit about what they are talking about.
Vectrova
16-08-2007, 22:58
Gladly. Then again, I wouldn't see why not. Even if there was a risk of getting caught, the reward outweighs it. *shrug* I'm just that sort of person, I guess.


Though, I love how politics gets involved in about 90% of all topics here, somehow. Its funny.:p
Siylva
16-08-2007, 22:58
hmmm, though most people seem to be answering no, it isn't by much...

Would some of the people who say they would murder someone for a million dollars explain why? I'm curious as to why murdering another human being would be okay whether you are caught or not.
GreaterPacificNations
16-08-2007, 23:00
Also, for the record, it wouldn't matter who it was. Fuck meaningless moral double standards. Either I would kill an individual for $1million, or wouldn't; regardless of who they are. A 3 year old child, or a 60 year old invalid. It doesn't actually make a difference.
Fleckenstein
16-08-2007, 23:00
hmmm, though most people seem to be answering no, it isn't by much...

Would some of the people who say they would murder someone for a million dollars explain why? I'm curious as to why murdering another human being would be okay whether you are caught or not.

It's not okay. I'm not ruling out crimes of passion, though.
Kura-Pelland
16-08-2007, 23:02
One thing I might honestly consider - murdering another for a million, then donating that million to charities that are saving lives (probably those working in poorer countries, as the million will save more lives there than on, say, cancer drugs in the west if I chose a cancer research charity).

Wouldn't do it for any amount of personal gain.
Smunkeeville
16-08-2007, 23:03
kill someone for a million bucks? sure, why not?
Brutland and Norden
16-08-2007, 23:06
No. I would die of guilt if I do, and not even a billion dollars can erase that.
Twafflonia
16-08-2007, 23:07
Also, for the record, it wouldn't matter who it was. Fuck meaningless moral double standards. Either I would kill an individual for $1million, or wouldn't; regardless of who they are. A 3 year old child, or a 60 year old invalid. It doesn't actually make a difference.

That's kind of silly. You seriously feel that there is a moral double standard in differentiating between, say killing a mugger-in-action and being paid a reward by the nearly-burgled old woman, and killing the old woman and taking the money?
GreaterPacificNations
16-08-2007, 23:07
hmmm, though most people seem to be answering no, it isn't by much...

Would some of the people who say they would murder someone for a million dollars explain why? I'm curious as to why murdering another human being would be okay whether you are caught or not. People die all of the time. Ther eis no right and wrong, fair and unfair, good and evil. There is only what there is, interpret it as you may. $1 million dollars is worth more to me than the continuing existence of a stranger.

Think of it this way, granted that this hypothetical guarantees the $1 million with no reprimand or risk; if there was somebody who was in hospital, terminally ill, and they needed $1 million dollars to live, and you just won $1 million in the lottery, would you give it to them? Consider that there are countless others just like them who need the same expensive operation. Also note that even if you save them now, they will still die eventually.
Vectrova
16-08-2007, 23:08
hmmm, though most people seem to be answering no, it isn't by much...

Would some of the people who say they would murder someone for a million dollars explain why? I'm curious as to why murdering another human being would be okay whether you are caught or not.


Mostly because I don't see what is wrong about it. That and you're giving me a nice chunk of change for doing so. You get your target dead, I get a million bucks, everyone wins and goes home happy. What's wrong with that picture?
GreaterPacificNations
16-08-2007, 23:09
That's kind of silly. You seriously feel that there is a moral double standard in differentiating between, say killing a mugger-in-action and being paid a reward by the nearly-burgled old woman, and killing the old woman and taking the money?

Well you just changed the hypothetical, but in principle no. The old-lady's life is worth no more to me than the mugger's life. They are both as worthless to me as each other. The only factors that would come into which one I were to kill (if I was to kill either- which in this hypothetical free from the risks of murder I would), would be practical ones (who would be the easiest to kill, etc..)
Twafflonia
16-08-2007, 23:12
Mostly because I don't see what is wrong about it.

Huh. Maybe we should just have a poll asking "Would you murder another human being?" and drop the million bucks part. Seems like the (intended?) monetary incentive vs. moral values debate isn't coming through in this discussion...
Mythotic Kelkia
16-08-2007, 23:15
Well obviously, if I wouldn't get caught. As long as I get to pick who it is or it's just some random stranger. Why wouldn't I?
The Atlantian islands
16-08-2007, 23:15
How truly despicable.
Yes, she is. I know.
Vectrova
16-08-2007, 23:16
The monetary incentive really is irrelevant; its just a positive you get for doing something that, in my case at least, wouldn't matter to me either way. Regardless of incentive, if the question was "Would you kill another human being?" and there was no external circumstance or reason for it, I can't give an answer. Mostly because to do so requires motive, at least on a psychological level if not physical.
GreaterPacificNations
16-08-2007, 23:17
Huh. Maybe we should just have a poll asking "Would you murder another human being?" and drop the million bucks part. Seems like the (intended?) monetary incentive vs. moral values debate isn't coming through in this discussion...

Important difference, and yes, in principle I would. The whole point being that moral values aren't worth shit, and money is worth.. well it is worth something.

A lot of people seem to think that murder is some kind of loaded action, laden with meaning and consequence. It's not. It is as mundane as taking a cooking a beef ball noodle soup (it was nice, by the way). Would you cook up some soup for $1 million dollars? It involves a series of mundane empty actions that produce a desired result. Do I need to finish?
Twafflonia
16-08-2007, 23:18
Well you just changed the hypothetical, but in principle no. The old-lady's life is worth no more to me than the mugger's life. They are both as worthless to me as each other. The only factors that would come into which one I were to kill (if I was to kill either- which in this hypothetical free from the risks of murder I would), would be practical ones (who would be the easiest to kill, etc..)

I understand your approach. Nevertheless, just because you claim to lack a sense of justice does not mean that justice itself is a "moral double standard."

I maintain that it is silly (an ironic) to call justice a moral double standard, especially if you refuse to acknowledge any basic groundwork of justice or morality applicable to other people.
Kinda Sensible people
16-08-2007, 23:18
Yes, she is. I know.

Ignoring the immaturity of this statement, how on earth is it acceptable to call for someone's death because they are politically opposed to you? That is truly unnacceptable behavior.
British Londinium
16-08-2007, 23:22
Yes, no questions asked, providing they had the cash right there and it was in my hands.
[NS]Click Stand
16-08-2007, 23:24
Depends on if they beleive in an afterlife or not.
If they do:Yes because if they were good enough by their own standards then they should be happy that they are going to heaven but if they weren't good by their own standards then by their own beliefs they should burn in hell.

If they don't:Why not, I need the money.
Kura-Pelland
16-08-2007, 23:35
You know, this is actually making me think about what a million dollars actually means these days, in an era where every primetime game show offers it including at least one game where the only player input is deciding how they value money (Deal or No Deal), and where some shows are offering even more than a million (Power of 10, Super Millionaire before that, some special episodes of Deal in 2006).

Isn't it incredible that a sum equivalent to probably roughly what many people might earn in nearly their whole working lives is seen as 'not that much'?
The Atlantian islands
16-08-2007, 23:47
how on earth is it acceptable to call for someone's death because they are politically opposed to you? That is truly unnacceptable behavior.
Hmm...perhaps ask these people?
http://www.ling.su.se/staff/ljuba/maps/middle-east.jpeg
New Stalinberg
16-08-2007, 23:49
Nonsense. You are merely constructing irrational hate based off of an inane right wing talking point. Do not allow your thought process to be unduly influenced by those who know jack shit about what they are talking about.

Holy shit, you mean you can tell me what I think?

Damn, I think the government had jobs in the 50s for gifted individuals such as yourselves.

(I'm a centrist by the way. Notice how I also think Mitt Romney should also be killed)
Kinda Sensible people
16-08-2007, 23:50
Hmm...perhaps ask these people?

And what, aside from spreading irrational fear, is the purpose of that? How is it related to Senator Clinton in any way?

Holy shit, you mean you can tell me what I think?

No, but I can make guesses. Now, if you told me what you thought, rather than inciting violence against people without rationale, perhaps we could have a real discussion.

(I'm a centrist by the way. Notice how I also think Mitt Romney should also be killed)

There is nothing centrist about calling for the murder of two politicians.
Infinite Revolution
16-08-2007, 23:54
having never been offered a million dollars i cannot really say, but my gut feling is that i wouldn't be able to go through with it even if i accepted the offer.
Compulsive Depression
16-08-2007, 23:54
Yeah, so long as it was nobody I cared about.

That's the wrong answer, isn't it?
Oh well.

...

Any chance of repeat work?
New Stalinberg
16-08-2007, 23:57
No, but I can make guesses. Now, if you told me what you thought, rather than inciting violence against people without rationale, perhaps we could have a real discussion.

Your guess is horribly wrong.

"I think someone should die. Therefore, I am a Republican with my head up my ass. No exceptions."

There is nothing centrist about calling for the murder of two politicians.

Wait, I have to be part of a political affiliation to want to kill people? Damn, I didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up.
Kinda Sensible people
16-08-2007, 23:59
Wait, I have to be part of a political affiliation to want to kill people? Damn, I didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up.

Generally, it is considered to be socially far-right to call for the murder of people for their political motivations, although anarchist groups do so as well.

Edit: And you are being disengenuous. Why is it that you beleive it is alright to call for the murder of Hillary Clinton?
New Stalinberg
17-08-2007, 00:02
Generally, it is considered to be socially far-right to call for the murder of people for their political motivations, although anarchist groups do so as well.

Right...

Wait... so what were the Lefties in the Russian Revolution doing in 1917? Drinking tea and playing cards?

Stalin? Mao? It's a good thing those two combined aren't the greatest mass-murderers in history, or else your entire argument would collapse.

You're an asshat. And that is that.
Kinda Sensible people
17-08-2007, 00:08
Right...

Wait... so what were the Lefties in the Russian Revolution doing in 1917? Drinking tea and playing cards?

Stalin? Mao? It's a good thing those two combined aren't the greatest mass-murderers in history, or else your entire argument would collapse.

You're an asshat. And that is that.

Socially right-wing, thank you. That is to say, Conservative on the social scale, not the economic scale.

And flaming is unneccessary. Now, are you going to answer the question?
New Stalinberg
17-08-2007, 00:11
Socially right-wing, thank you. That is to say, Conservative on the social scale, not the economic scale.

And flaming is unneccessary. Now, are you going to answer the question?

Your facts are wrong, you're telling what to think purley on basis of political stances, which is utter bullshit. It's no different than religious nutjobs

"I hate him because he's Jewish and Muslim. Bla bla bla."

Hillary Clinton and Romney (Who you keep failing to bring up) need to be killed because they're opportunist bastards who will drive this country into the ground for their own gain.

Now bug off, asshat.
Sel Appa
17-08-2007, 00:12
Sure, why not.
Kinda Sensible people
17-08-2007, 00:16
Your facts are wrong, you're telling what to think purley on basis of political stances, which is utter bullshit. It's no different than religious nutjobs

"I hate him because he's Jewish and Muslim. Bla bla bla."

This is entirely irrelevant to the point at issue. I'm telling you that beleiving that it is morally acceptable to advocate for the death of a person because of their political beleifs is generally associated with either Socially Far-Right or Socially Far-Left organizations, and is not, by its nature, a centerist position.

Hillary Clinton and Romney (Who you keep failing to bring up) need to be killed because they're opportunist bastards who will drive this country into the ground for their own gain.

Now bug off, asshat.

I see. So you beleive that all politicians should be killed?

And, once again, keep your flames to yourself.
New Stalinberg
17-08-2007, 00:26
This is entirely irrelevant to the point at issue. I'm telling you that beleiving that it is morally acceptable to advocate for the death of a person because of their political beleifs is generally associated with either Socially Far-Right or Socially Far-Left organizations, and is not, by its nature, a centerist position.

I'll state it again, since things seem to go in one ear and out the other, so to speak.

I am a Centrist. This is where I stand. I believe that it would be in the best interest of the people of the United States of America if Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton were to be eliminated. This doesn't make me a right-winged gun-toting nut job or a baby-killing Liberal. (FYI, I'm pro guns to an extent and pro abortion) It is just my opinion on the matter. Period.



I see. So you beleive that all politicians should be killed?

And, once again, keep your flames to yourself.

Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying. I believe all politicians should be killed. You couldn't possibly be any more right about the matter. :rolleyes:
The Atlantian islands
17-08-2007, 00:28
And what, aside from spreading irrational fear, is the purpose of that? How is it related to Senator Clinton in any way?
Because you asked: "how on earth is it acceptable to call for someone's death because they are politically opposed to you?"
So I showed you a region of the world where just that, calling for someone's death who is politically opposed to you is an acceptable norm of soceity. Arn't you the leftist here? Arn't you the one supposed to be into the moral relativism? If there is no universal right and wrong...and these acts are evident in a HUGE geographic-cultural area of our earth, then why is it wrong?
Kinda Sensible people
17-08-2007, 00:32
I'll state it again, since things seem to go in one ear and out the other, so to speak.

I am a Centrist. This is where I stand. I believe that it would be in the best interest of the people of the United States of America if Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton were to be eliminated. This doesn't make me a right-winged gun-toting nut job or a baby-killing Liberal. (FYI, I'm pro guns to an extent and pro abortion) It is just my opinion on the matter. Period.[

Whatever you wish to think of yourself.

Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying. I believe all politicians should be killed. You couldn't possibly be any more right about the matter. :rolleyes:

To be blunt, you just described proffessional politicians down to a one. If you beleive that any of them do not put their own power before the wellbeing of the nation, you're naive. That's why we, the people, are here. We act as a check on their ambitions, and watchdogs to their misdeeds. Neither Hillary nor Mitt is a greater threat than Rudy or JRE in that regard.
Kinda Sensible people
17-08-2007, 00:37
Because you asked: "how on earth is it acceptable to call for someone's death because they are politically opposed to you?"
So I showed you a region of the world where just that, calling for someone's death who is politically opposed to you is an acceptable norm of soceity.

Innacurate and trollish. Also, irrelevant. We were talking about why it was morally acceptable for you to advocate for the death of Senator Clinton.

Arn't you the leftist here? Arn't you the one supposed to be into the moral relativism? If there is no universal right and wrong...and these acts are evident in a HUGE geographic-cultural area of our earth, then why is it wrong?


Go read Locke. Just because the question of the existence of right and wrong is open in my mind (and I am not a true moral relativist) does not mean that I reject the social contract, and the implied morality within. It is socially and morally reprehensible to advocate the murder of someone because they have beleifs you dislike.
Weccanfeld
17-08-2007, 00:42
Turn the dollar sign into a pound sign and the answer would be maybe.

If I'm just pulling a lever, or pushing a button, and will never seen what I am killing, then probably yes.
Neo Undelia
17-08-2007, 00:53
kill someone for a million bucks? sure, why not?

Because killing for money is horribly greedy?
Rich Pot Heads
17-08-2007, 01:04
Probably not, unless the guy fell under these categories:

1. Not married
2. An all around bad guy
3. Potential for fucking things up in the future. *Cough* Mitt Romney/Hillary Clinton *Cough*
4. A menace to society
5. Has already commited an unjustified murder

If it was someone who I didn't know anything about, I wouldn't do it for a billion dollars.


I completely agree... lol Well stated...
Minkonio
17-08-2007, 01:26
Definitely yes. Then i'd it put it in Savings account(s) and walk away from the business forever. I don't need more than one million.
Smunkeeville
17-08-2007, 02:05
Because killing for money is horribly greedy?

Hey! Don't force your morality on me!

:mad:
Trailers
17-08-2007, 02:17
In the Army, we don't get a million dollars when we shoot someone, just a little checkmark. :/ And paperwork.
Jeruselem
17-08-2007, 02:50
Well, if I was professonal hitman - yes. But I'm not (and no good with real guns). Also depends to the target too.
JuNii
17-08-2007, 03:13
kill someone for a million bucks? sure, why not?

but.. but... nowdays, a Million won't last that long. 50 million... ok, I'll think about it. but for one million? go find someone else. :p
Kartiyon
17-08-2007, 03:35
Wish to know something ironic? The candidates running for 08' against the Iraq War are actually making the US plan less effective. The insurgents won't lose morale if they know they only need to hold on for one more year and then be set free when the troops are pulled out.

Politics aren't as one-sided as some people see it as.
At least, some of you have good reasons for disliking Bush; but hey, it's not all his fault. Sure, he's a complete dunce at managing, at least in my opinion, but then again, leading a superpower isn't that easy. Still, he probably failed English class.

Don't see things just one-way. Try to see them both ways.

"lol war for OIL"
"lol letz kill some sand niggas"

are both not seeing both ways.

"Perhaps the US is wrong for intervening, but you have to admit if the country appears to be hiding the chemical weapons plants from inspectors, you have to expect something. Perhaps an assault was rash, but for Bush it was easier than drafting an ultimatum (which could have solved this mess) and asking the Congress to declare war if conditions are not met. However, do not forget that Europe essentially caused this entire mess. Yet, one of the countries, France isn't doing shit about it. Instead, it was manipulating the country for more money or rather oil."

I think the US shouldn't just pull out, but instead offer contracts for construction and utility corporations of America to go to Iraq and fix some shit up if the Iraqis meet certain quotas. Decent amounts of materials will be provided for meeting quotas. Also, they could threaten a bombing run if any workers are killed.
Lets Get This Fixed
17-08-2007, 03:41
You betcha'. Death is coming for you sooner or later, why not put me a little better off in the process?
The Gay Street Militia
17-08-2007, 05:07
You didn't provide enough of the all-important context... who is this person? Do we get to choose? If it's our choice and there'd no deadline for actually carrying it out, then I imagine I could eventually find someone who deserved it, and given the condition has already been given that we "don't get caught," you wouldn't even need to worry about whether $1 mill is enough to start a new life in a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty.
United Chicken Kleptos
17-08-2007, 05:11
No.
Lemon Enders
17-08-2007, 06:15
depends on who. But under most circumstances no.

Now would you kill any of your siblings for any ammount of money?
Delator
17-08-2007, 06:44
For $1,000,000?

No.

For $1,000,000,000?

YES!!
Sessboodeedwilla
17-08-2007, 07:34
If the person was an animal abuser, no problem. Why? because, of all the life that is snuffed out by man, I find it unfathomable that the senseless torture of animals,( which in a lot of cases is a precurser to much more vile things ) doesn't carry a heavier penalty, considering we know that they feel love, hate, joy, and sadness just like we do. :mp5:
Sessboodeedwilla
17-08-2007, 07:39
I seriously doubt that any of you guys would go through with killing someone.

I know I wouldn't, and I own an AK-47.

don't speak so quickly friend, at least one of us is a veteran of the first gulf war. My mos was 13 bravo.
Sessboodeedwilla
17-08-2007, 07:41
Bullshit. Hillary Clinton does not belong on any list beside gangsters and Osama Bin Laden. Moreover, she is not the threat you cast her has. Either way, advocating for the death of someone because of their political beleifs is despicable.

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Sessboodeedwilla
17-08-2007, 07:51
hmmm, though most people seem to be answering no, it isn't by much...

Would some of the people who say they would murder someone for a million dollars explain why? I'm curious as to why murdering another human being would be okay whether you are caught or not.

easy: because at the end of the day we're all just meat. We all try to act like we care so much, when in reality most peoples world evolves around only them. secondly, if there is no god, like so many people believe, considering all the suffering, and the way the economy is, you just might be doing them a favor.:)
Sessboodeedwilla
17-08-2007, 07:55
One thing I might honestly consider - murdering another for a million, then donating that million to charities that are saving lives (probably those working in poorer countries, as the million will save more lives there than on, say, cancer drugs in the west if I chose a cancer research charity).

Wouldn't do it for any amount of personal gain.

That is hands down the stupidest answer I have ever heard. Are you running for miss america, or what :confused:
Sessboodeedwilla
17-08-2007, 08:05
Huh. Maybe we should just have a poll asking "Would you murder another human being?" and drop the million bucks part. Seems like the (intended?) monetary incentive vs. moral values debate isn't coming through in this discussion...

Look at it like this, do you feel being gay is immoral? 9 times out of 10, the likely response will be no. Unfortunately for gay people a lot of the population says yes. My point... morality, just like reality, is relegated to the opinion of the individual, rendering your opinion useless.
Sessboodeedwilla
17-08-2007, 08:10
Generally, it is considered to be socially far-right to call for the murder of people for their political motivations, although anarchist groups do so as well.

Edit: And you are being disengenuous. Why is it that you beleive it is alright to call for the murder of Hillary Clinton?

I can't speak for the other guy, but my reason is that she is either a) the dumbest bitch on earth, or b) the worst liar. nuff said.:cool:
Barhahvia
17-08-2007, 08:13
Maybe this makes me a bad person, I don't know. But I would do it for free if I wouldn't get caught.
Anti-Social Darwinism
17-08-2007, 08:22
Everyone has a better dead list. I might kill someone if I thought he/she desparately needed killing, but for money? No.
Pax Oblivia
17-08-2007, 08:34
For a cool million? Yep, you betcha...:sniper:

Why, you may ask? Because life is cheap in the world today...the things I desire, however, are not. But such is the life of the ultimate capitalist. :cool:
Baecken
17-08-2007, 08:44
I like to rephrase the question ! would you accept that someone receives 1 million $ for murdering you ? I didn't think so, it's only worth considering if it happens to somebody else. :headbang:
New Granada
17-08-2007, 09:38
If i really thought the person deserved to die, I would do it for free, assuming I could not get in any trouble.
Kinda Sensible people
17-08-2007, 09:40
I can't speak for the other guy, but my reason is that she is either a) the dumbest bitch on earth, or b) the worst liar. nuff said.:cool:


A) Would you use a derrogative term that was male specific in describing a male candidate? Thought not. Either way, stupidity is also not something you should kill someone for.

B) Lying is also not an excuse for murder.
Greater Somalia
17-08-2007, 10:20
heh, people do it (murder) for less then that. I certainly would never harm another living creature for financial purpose.
South Lorenya
17-08-2007, 11:04
For 99% of the people, no way. There are some exceptions, though -- I'd kill Osama for a bent penny. Canadian penny.
Big Jim P
17-08-2007, 11:11
Depending on how stupid and annoying they were, (assuming I won't get caught), I'd proably do it for considerably less than a million.
Interwebz
17-08-2007, 11:31
No, because of the Law of Market.

One wouldn't pay a million to kill Dubya without any risk of being caught, because many people would gladly do it for free. Same with someone "very annoying" or a criminal, people would kill them for much less.

One would only offer you a million to murder someone you would really not want to murder. For instance, your own son. And probably the deal would be "black-box", like any killer job - you're not asked "Will you kill this guy for a million?", you're asked "Will you kill for a million?", then given the target.
Fergustien
17-08-2007, 12:08
No, because of the Law of Market.

One wouldn't pay a million to kill Dubya without any risk of being caught, because many people would gladly do it for free. Same with someone "very annoying" or a criminal, people would kill them for much less.



I wouldn't kill him, I'd kidnap him and take him to Baghdad so the Iraqi people can personally "thank" him for liberating their country.
Bottle
17-08-2007, 12:20
Simple, would you kill another person for a million dollars? Assume that you won't get caught after commiting the crime.
Shit, there are people I'd murder for free, if I knew I would get away with it.

But would I kill some random person for a paycheck? Nope.
Altruisma
17-08-2007, 12:36
Not at the current exchange rate I wouldn't, who would? £500,000 isn't worth making much of a fuss over.
Dragonicale
17-08-2007, 12:49
For the truth I might be tempted but in the end I will not kill someone no matter if he has commited rape, murder, etc etc unless I have to in self defense.

I'm kind of religious XD


Oh yeah, don't get offtopic or it might deleted by mods so no trying to say "God doesn't exist" and stuff please.
Dalmatia Cisalpina
17-08-2007, 13:13
A million dollars would be nice, but I definitely don't want to kill anybody to get it.
Peisandros
17-08-2007, 13:21
Heh, the whole "I would never kill anyone for anything.. Oh except Osama I'ld kill him in a second for free" thing is slightly humourous.

As for the poll, no, I don't think I could.
Kansiov
17-08-2007, 13:28
Thats stupid get one million dollars then u go to jail... :rolleyes:
Smunkeeville
17-08-2007, 15:00
but.. but... nowdays, a Million won't last that long. 50 million... ok, I'll think about it. but for one million? go find someone else. :p

meh, I'd do it for $7, get me a coffee at the Starbucks.
Caphistan
17-08-2007, 15:17
i'd give you a deal: 4 for the price of one. i'd blast donald rumsfeld, dick cheney, bush, and alberto gonzales into the next life, no problem. and a million bucks wouldn't be bad either. :sniper:
The blessed Chris
17-08-2007, 15:21
I'm not sure I could. Most murders are a crime of passion; preconceived murder for financial reward requires a certain emotional disattachment that I thankfully lack.
Yallak
17-08-2007, 15:38
Simple, would you kill another person for a million dollars? Assume that you won't get caught after commiting the crime.

Yes.

People are idiots. There are few people I wouldn't kill just for my own entertainment so the million is really just a bonus (especially if I know I won't get caught).

A million is also significantly more than your average pay check for carrying out an assassination too for everyone who so worried that its not much money.
New Stalinberg
17-08-2007, 15:57
Yes.

People are idiots. There are few people I wouldn't kill just for my own entertainment so the million is really just a bonus (especially if I know I won't get caught).

A million is also significantly more than your average pay check for carrying out an assassination too for everyone who so worried that its not much money.

Lol.

You're lying.
Remote Observer
17-08-2007, 16:47
Simple, would you kill another person for a million dollars? Assume that you won't get caught after commiting the crime.

There's a difference between "kill" and "murder". Which one are you talking about?
Neo Undelia
17-08-2007, 16:56
Hey! Don't force your morality on me!

:mad:
Too late.
Aspadan
17-08-2007, 17:01
Without hesitation.
Rambhutan
17-08-2007, 17:02
There's a difference between "kill" and "murder". Which one are you talking about?

Should we take that as a yes?
Remote Observer
17-08-2007, 17:04
Should we take that as a yes?

No. Murder no. Killing in self-defense, or authorized combat, yes.
Tigrisar
17-08-2007, 17:07
A random stranger for $1 million? Ofc not.. money isn't anywhere near that important enough to do something so immoral.
Extreme Ironing
17-08-2007, 17:21
No, never.
LordXeper
17-08-2007, 17:22
ONE MILLION BUCKS ofcourse I would, I normally only get about 7K a head, 1 million, must be some VIP.

All jokes aside, I think I would, given it is not someone I know (people I really hate set aside) and I would come 100% off clean.

Yes I would. Prolly also for 100K.
Ordo Drakul
17-08-2007, 17:39
The money seems to be sidetracking the issue here, and quite frankly it's irrelevant, as illustrated by the old joke where a man offers a woman a million dollars to sleep with him, She tells him, "For a million? Sure." then he replies "Well, how about for $5?" "What kind of a woman do you think I am?" "We've established that--we're negotiating price."
This whole thread reminds me of something my grandmother used to tell me--"You can't go around killing people just because they have no reason to live, because then, decent folks would be forced to hold public office."
New Stalinberg
17-08-2007, 18:02
So how many have you actually fired a weapon or used a weapon designed for killing people?

Or actually killed someone?

Any of you?
Extreme Ironing
17-08-2007, 18:45
So how many have you actually fired a weapon or used a weapon designed for killing people?

Or actually killed someone?

Any of you?

Thankfully, I live in a country where weapons aren't commonplace.
Ardchoille
18-08-2007, 01:27
Sessboodeedwilla, two day forumban for a number of posts like this:

That is hands down the stupidest answer I have ever heard. Are you running for miss america, or what

New Stalinberg, one day forumban for a couple of posts like this:

X and Y need to be killed because they're opportunist bastards who will drive this country into the ground for their own gain. [sentence edited to make a point].

Now bug off, asshat.

Anti-Social Darwinism is totally right:

Everyone has a better dead list.

From now on in this thread, such lists (or extracts from them) will be regarded as either trolling or threadjacking. Most people have understood that this is a hypothetical question about a moral dilemma.
Trailers
18-08-2007, 03:19
So how many have you actually fired a weapon or used a weapon designed for killing people?

Or actually killed someone?

Any of you?

United States Army, 3 years.

So yeah.
Yallak
18-08-2007, 04:42
Lol.

You're lying.

No...no I wasn't.
Undershi
18-08-2007, 04:42
Well, I picked the "yes" option, but I have a confession to make - I picked it after reading the little thing on how you wouldn't get caught, but I'd misread one million as one thousand. So, if I could get away with it, I'd probably kill someone for 1,000 dollars. I guess I need to raise my rates if the price is suddenly one million a kill... :p
Yallak
18-08-2007, 04:44
Well, I picked the "yes" option, but I have a confession to make - I picked it after reading the little thing on how you wouldn't get caught, but I'd misread one million as one thousand. So, if I could get away with it, I'd probably kill someone for 1,000 dollars. I guess I need to raise my rates if the price is suddenly one million a kill...

hehe...I'll have to contract you out as my new assassin if you do it for one thousand a head....
Urcea
18-08-2007, 04:48
Depends. Who is it?
Copiosa Scotia
18-08-2007, 05:04
Absolutely not. Not for any price.
Photo-Ninjas
18-08-2007, 05:27
Not likely. Anyone I'd kill I'd be killing because they are hurting or trying to hurt someone I care about -- killing people for money is generally not something I'd consider.

Now if I'd been paid to bring someone in dead or alive, that'd be a bit different. I'd go for it and let the chips fall where they may -- taking someone in alive would be preferable, but that would depend on the situation.
Aspadan
19-08-2007, 05:58
So how many have you actually fired a weapon or used a weapon designed for killing people?

Or actually killed someone?

Any of you?

Yes, actually.

7th Marine Regiment, 2nd Battalion, Fox Company. Vietnam, 1966-1972.

http://www.marzone.com/7thMarines/A190716.jpg

Me, south of Da Nang, 1967.
Pezalia
21-08-2007, 03:30
Well, if I was professonal hitman - yes. But I'm not (and no good with real guns). Also depends to the target too.

In South Australia a few years ago a guy stabbed a woman to death for A$7500 and he got a life sentence for it.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
21-08-2007, 03:42
That depends on how I'm supposed to murder them. Am I getting to choose the arrangements or are they to be provided/demanded by my employer?
And what if I incur expenses, will they be taken out of the million or will they be covered? Will this money be provided up front, after the job is done or at a later date (so as to avoid suspicion)?
Without the answer to these questions, I can only say: Hell maybe.
Neesika
21-08-2007, 03:47
No. No amount of money is worth taking another person's life.
Westcoast thugs
21-08-2007, 04:16
I would. And is this a subtle CIA recruitment drive? If it is, i volunteer!
[NS]Fergi America
21-08-2007, 04:32
With that not-getting-caught stipulation? Sure! I probably wouldn't even charge that, given that there'd be a 0% chance of legal trouble.

So how many have you actually fired a weapon or used a weapon designed for killing people?

Or actually killed someone?

Any of you?Unless you count the one day of rifle-range baloney in 6th grade (11yrs old) camp, no. And even then, my aim was awful.

But that just means I'd need to use some other weapon. One that's harder to miss with.
Maraque
21-08-2007, 04:34
No.
Sessboodeedwilla
21-08-2007, 04:55
A) Would you use a derrogative term that was male specific in describing a male candidate? Thought not. Either way, stupidity is also not something you should kill someone for.

B) Lying is also not an excuse for murder.

tell that to all the people that died as a result of president dickhead. ( sorry, I can't think of a name that affects men like it does broads. )
The Mindset
21-08-2007, 04:59
Almost certainly, provided I worked up the nerve.
Sessboodeedwilla
21-08-2007, 05:00
So how many have you actually fired a weapon or used a weapon designed for killing people?

Or actually killed someone?

Any of you?

Yes, the 9 mil, 45, m-16( a1 and a2), saw, 50 cal, m-203, the at-4, and the desert eagle.:sniper:
Lame Bums
21-08-2007, 05:02
Simple, would you kill another person for a million dollars? Assume that you won't get caught after commiting the crime.

Only if he/she is one or more of the following: communist, gay (my issue is with gay men, not lesbians - long story), atheist, vegan, liberal, or islamo-fascist. Or someone that gives me road rage.

Hell, I'd do most of those for free.
Resurrected Marines
21-08-2007, 05:03
I am angered by this poll you didnt put Hell Yeah!!!! as an option
Pezalia
21-08-2007, 05:04
Only if he/she is one or more of the following: communist, gay (my issue is with gay men, not lesbians - long story), atheist, vegan, liberal, or islamo-fascist. Or someone that gives me road rage.

Hell, I'd do most of those for free.

I'm an atheist. Just do it quickly, ok?
I'm also a liberal. Do it quickly, or I'll whine and set Hillary on you and give you universal healthcare. But at least I won't want you executed, you'll spend the rest of your life watching Michael Moore documentaries.
Resurrected Marines
21-08-2007, 05:08
So how many have you actually fired a weapon or used a weapon designed for killing people?

Or actually killed someone?

Any of you?

Let me see here I qualed with the M16 and the M9. I have fired the Ak47 and the AK74. the RPK, L85A2, G3A4,M203, M4,L96A1, AUG A3, FN FAL, M1. Mk 19, and the 240 golf
Resurrected Marines
21-08-2007, 05:11
I'm an atheist. Just do it quickly, ok?
I'm also a liberal. Do it quickly, or I'll whine and set Hillary on you and give you universal healthcare. But at least I won't want you executed, you'll spend the rest of your life watching Michael Moore documentaries.

Your not a screaming liberal are you? just sarcastic yes?
Marrakech II
21-08-2007, 05:22
So how many have you actually fired a weapon or used a weapon designed for killing people?

Or actually killed someone?

Any of you?

Fired many a weapon. Have a gun collection that would make most of these kids that love guns cream themselves. More then I care to list on these pages.

As far as killing someone. Yes, several while in combat.

Would I kill a random person that wasn't trying to kill me? No.
Buck Off
21-08-2007, 05:22
$1 million I'd do a 3 pack. Now if I get to choose who gets hit .. 14.99. That :censored: in a black SUV that cut me off this morning would be a freebe.
Howinder
21-08-2007, 05:26
If I needed the money - FOR SURE. Hell, hundreds of thousands of people sign up to join all sorts of military establishments every year, and they do it for peanuts!
Shit, if I needed a meal bad enough I'd probaly do it for that too.
Neu Leonstein
21-08-2007, 05:36
Maybe if it was a really bad person. But I wouldn't murder some innocent person, not even for a million dollars. I'd rather prefer earning it the honest way.

With tax evasion. :p
Pezalia
21-08-2007, 05:36
Your not a screaming liberal are you? just sarcastic yes?

Yeah I'm liberal. Not screaming, but yeah, a liberal.
But I'm not a vegan or a pacifist.
And I live in Australia.
And plane tickets to get over here are expensive.
CanuckHeaven
21-08-2007, 05:37
I find it distressing that 42% of the people have voted that they would "murder" someone for a million bucks. The world is sicker then I thought!!
Marrakech II
21-08-2007, 05:38
With tax evasion. :p


Much easier and less of a prison sentence if caught. Financial crime is a better route to a million.
Marrakech II
21-08-2007, 05:39
I find it distressing that 42% of the people have voted that they would "murder" someone for a million bucks. The world is sicker then I thought!!

You are just realizing this?
Pezalia
21-08-2007, 05:45
I find it distressing that 42% of the people have voted that they would "murder" someone for a million bucks. The world is sicker then I thought!!

And some of them would enjoy doing it as well.
Soviet Haaregrad
21-08-2007, 05:49
I'd kill a capitalist for free, for $1 000 000, I cut 'im up real nice.
CanuckHeaven
21-08-2007, 06:10
You are just realizing this?
On second thought, I think that most of them are just yapping off because it is fantasy. In reality, I imagine the number who would actually commit such a heinous crime is less than 1%.
Marrakech II
21-08-2007, 06:15
On second thought, I think that most of them are just yapping off because it is fantasy. In reality, I imagine the number who would actually commit such a heinous crime is less than 1%.

Much more difficult to deal with then one can imagine. I think if most of these kids thought about it long and hard they wouldn't be so quick to say yes. My instance I have talked about on these forums before and don't want to rehash to much of the past. However I can say even the circumstances were legal it still haunts one after years. It has been 16 years since the first Gulf War and I still think about it on a semi-regular basis. Causing someones death should never be taken lightly. It is a heavy burden one has to carry even if it is a soldier.
Sessboodeedwilla
21-08-2007, 06:55
Much more difficult to deal with then one can imagine. I think if most of these kids thought about it long and hard they wouldn't be so quick to say yes. My instance I have talked about on these forums before and don't want to rehash to much of the past. However I can say even the circumstances were legal it still haunts one after years. It has been 16 years since the first Gulf War and I still think about it on a semi-regular basis. Causing someones death should never be taken lightly. It is a heavy burden one has to carry even if it is a soldier.

Agreed.
Gun Manufacturers
21-08-2007, 06:59
Simple, would you kill another person for a million dollars? Assume that you won't get caught after commiting the crime.

No, I wouldn't. It's not just the money (a million dollars doesn't go as far as it used to), and it's not a matter of getting caught, it's a matter of me having to live with myself for the rest of my life.

Now, if it was self defense, then I could (possibly) kill to save my life or the life of another.
Neesika
21-08-2007, 07:11
I'd kill a capitalist for free, for $1 000 000, I cut 'im up real nice.

Shut up Scarface :P
Sessboodeedwilla
22-08-2007, 10:52
On second thought, I think that most of them are just yapping off because it is fantasy. In reality, I imagine the number who would actually commit such a heinous crime is less than 1%.

I agree with you as far as in the case of doing it for money. However for self preservation that's another story
Sessboodeedwilla
22-08-2007, 11:00
You know how when gangs do drive by's everyone gets shot but the intended target. Well, it's because they don't have the fortitude to look the target in the eye, so they close them. thereby, I think, fooling themselves into believing they didn't kill anyone, which is one more way of proving your point. If the so-called gangstas can't stare down a target, how could the average jellyfish do it:confused:
Jangle Jangle Ridge
20-01-2008, 23:06
If you would just write down the name and place of residence on this napkin here, I'll get started.

Would you prefer rifle, knife, or pencil sharpener for the weapon?
Soyut
20-01-2008, 23:22
I would kill for certain things, but not for money.
6Seal
20-01-2008, 23:26
without a shadow of a doubt

absolutely not.
The Parkus Empire
20-01-2008, 23:27
Simple, would you kill another person for a million dollars? Assume that you won't get caught after commiting the crime.

I would have to know something about my "target", and even then, probably not, unless they worked for the IRS. If I did take "the hit", then I would give half the money to some kind of relief fund, and invest most of the other half.

I could not really blame anyone for killing me if they were being payed that much.
The Black Forrest
20-01-2008, 23:29
Nope.
Vetalia
20-01-2008, 23:30
This poll should have been made public. And my answer is, of course, absolutely not.
Mirkana
20-01-2008, 23:30
I wouldn't do it if you threatened to gas a kindergarten.