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Feds Train Clergy To "Quell Dissent" During Martial Law

UpwardThrust
16-08-2007, 22:02
Its interesting that part of the plan for Martial Law is for religious leaders to try and make us compliant with the government. And why did they agree to do it?
Edit: Put the mainstream link in
http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987&nav=0RY5
Kyronea
16-08-2007, 22:04
Its interesting that part of the plan for Martial Law is for religious leaders to try and make us compliant with the government. And why did they agree to do it?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/160807_quell_dissent.htm

Oh dear. That's not good.
Khadgar
16-08-2007, 22:06
Its interesting that part of the plan for Martial Law is for religious leaders to try and make us compliant with the government. And why did they agree to do it?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/160807_quell_dissent.htm

Do you have a legitimate source?
Kyronea
16-08-2007, 22:07
Oh dear. That's not good.

And now that I've actually looked at that site and noticed stupidity on top of stupidity--from 9/11 conspiracy theories to promoting Ron Paul(Hey, idiots, guess which party he's in! Guess which party you'd be giving power back to! :headbang: )--I'm going to dismiss this story until I hear confirmation from more reputable sources.
Zilam
16-08-2007, 22:08
Have a more mainstream or reliable source?
UpwardThrust
16-08-2007, 22:09
Do you have a legitimate source?

http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987&nav=0RY5

KSLA is the news org that originally broke the story. They are mentioned and a video clip of their program is on the first link
Philosopy
16-08-2007, 22:10
"Clergy Response Teams"

*Chuckles*
UpwardThrust
16-08-2007, 22:10
Have a more mainstream or reliable source?

Posted
Kyronea
16-08-2007, 22:12
http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987&nav=0RY5

KSLA is the news org that originally broke the story. They are mentioned and a video clip of their program is on the first link

Interesting...who are they affiliated with?
Khadgar
16-08-2007, 22:13
Posted

Well that's creepy, but not exactly shocking.
UpwardThrust
16-08-2007, 22:17
Interesting...who are they affiliated with?

I'm not sure? Suspect something wrong with that source?
Kyronea
16-08-2007, 22:19
I'm not sure? Suspect something wrong with that source?

It's the sort of thing I just want to ensure is really true before accepting, that's all. I'm asking who they are affiliated with because certain networks have much less credibility with me than others. (Fox, for instance, has none whatsoever.)
UpwardThrust
16-08-2007, 22:22
It's the sort of thing I just want to ensure is really true before accepting, that's all. I'm asking who they are affiliated with because certain networks have much less credibility with me than others. (Fox, for instance, has none whatsoever.)

None that I can tell with that ... Seems like a smaller local news station to me
Khadgar
16-08-2007, 22:22
Interesting...who are they affiliated with?

CBS logo up on their top image up there.
Redwulf
16-08-2007, 22:23
Its interesting that part of the plan for Martial Law is for religious leaders to try and make us compliant with the government. And why did they agree to do it?
Edit: Put the mainstream link in
http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987&nav=0RY5

It's a good thing I am my religious leader.
America0
16-08-2007, 22:23
Fox, for instance, has none whatsoever.

I'd say both Fox and CNN are on equal footing as far as credibility goes.
Khadgar
16-08-2007, 22:23
I'd say both Fox and CNN are on equal footing as far as credibility goes.

You have two posts, you just said something patently ridiculous. Your opinion means squat.
America0
16-08-2007, 22:26
You have two posts, you just said something patently ridiculous. Your opinion means squat.

So, what? I don't post that often. Doesn't say anything about my political knowledge.
Kyronea
16-08-2007, 22:30
CBS logo up on their top image up there.

Ah. Must have missed it. Thank you...that's more than enough credibility for me.
I'd say both Fox and CNN are on equal footing as far as credibility goes.
Nyet. CNN has more credibility, though not much more. Their bias is only corporate versus Fox News' corporate plus American conservative bias.
UpwardThrust
16-08-2007, 22:32
CBS logo up on their top image up there.

Missed that myself thanks!
America0
16-08-2007, 22:34
CNN has more credibility, though not much more. Their bias is only corporate versus Fox News' corporate plus American conservative bias.

Maybe so. I do generally prefer CNN over Fox, but I see bias from both the Left and the Right. I trust neither.
Vetalia
16-08-2007, 22:35
That's a good idea. If you're declaring martial law, it makes sense to use whatever resources you have at your disposal to ensure that resistance is at a minimum. It minimizes the chance of people or soldiers being killed due to panic, chaos, or resistance.

I'd do the same with all kinds of community leaders.
Ifreann
16-08-2007, 22:38
When will they get around to training Discordian =POPE=s?
*wants leet FBI training*
Katganistan
16-08-2007, 22:39
And just how many people do you think are going to say, "Ok, Pastor," when told to calm down and go home?
Kyronea
16-08-2007, 22:40
That's a good idea. If you're declaring martial law, it makes sense to use whatever resources you have at your disposal to ensure that resistance is at a minimum. It minimizes the chance of people or soldiers being killed due to panic, chaos, or resistance.

I'd do the same with all kinds of community leaders.

The problem is that it would feel like they're trying to push whatever religion these clergypeople represent upon us. Now, if they were to get clergypeople for all sorts of religions--and maybe some secular versions of clergypeople for us atheists--I would agree with you, but since it looks like they're focusing on Christianity, I do not at all.
UpwardThrust
16-08-2007, 22:41
That's a good idea. If you're declaring martial law, it makes sense to use whatever resources you have at your disposal to ensure that resistance is at a minimum. It minimizes the chance of people or soldiers being killed due to panic, chaos, or resistance.

I'd do the same with all kinds of community leaders.

But why would you agree if you are a spiritual leader I mean bending the power entrusted to you to stress civics interests rather then focusing on spiritual interests seems to be at least pushing the trust placed in you by the public.
Vetalia
16-08-2007, 22:42
The problem is that it would feel like they're trying to push whatever religion these clergypeople represent upon us. Now, if they were to get clergypeople for all sorts of religions--and maybe some secular versions of clergypeople for us atheists--I would agree with you, but since it looks like they're focusing on Christianity, I do not at all.

I think it's more practical than anything; the vast majority of the population is Christian, so it would make sense to reach out to them first as a way of encouraging civil order. Time spent trying to cover all bases is time lost in a situation where martial law is required; if you can get 80-90% of resistance to collapse thanks to their efforts, the remaining 10-20% will not be difficult to deal with any may just fall apart on its own.
Khadgar
16-08-2007, 22:44
When will they get around to training Discordian =POPE=s?
*wants leet FBI training*

I'd think the Discordians wouldn't be quite so interested in law and order.
Kyronea
16-08-2007, 22:44
I think it's more practical than anything; the vast majority of the population is Christian, so it would make sense to reach out to them first as a way of encouraging civil order. Time spent trying to cover all bases is time lost in a situation where martial law is required; if you can get 80-90% of resistance to collapse thanks to their efforts, the remaining 10-20% will not be difficult to deal with any may just fall apart on its own.

Ah, okay. Guess that makes sense. Not that I would ever approve of martial law...
Zilam
16-08-2007, 22:44
And just how many people do you think are going to say, "Ok, Pastor," when told to calm down and go home?

Well if that fails, the US military always has anti rioting death rays to break up any unruly people.
Unggoyia
16-08-2007, 22:44
Its interesting that part of the plan for Martial Law is for religious leaders to try and make us compliant with the government. And why did they agree to do it?
Edit: Put the mainstream link in
http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987&nav=0RY5

Now is the time to rise up and kill the clergy for being traitors. I'm 13 but even I have the balls to kill those who oppress me. The clergy is bad and it should FEEL bad!
Vetalia
16-08-2007, 22:45
But why would you agree if you are a spiritual leader I mean bending the power entrusted to you to stress civics interests rather then focusing on spiritual interests seems to be at least pushing the trust placed in you by the public.

I would agree, but it really depends, because you may be able to save lives, minimize damage, and restore normal civilian law faster by quelling dissent and by preventing panic.

Now, if Soviet or Nazi-style martial law was imposed, things would be a lot different.
Vetalia
16-08-2007, 22:46
Ah, okay. Guess that makes sense. Not that I would ever approve of martial law...

Neither would I, unless the alternative was clearly worse (like race riots, civil war, etc.).
Kyronea
16-08-2007, 22:54
Well if that fails, the US military always has anti rioting death rays to break up any unruly people.

Are we talking the blinding lasers or the nausea inducing lasers?
Neither would I, unless the alternative was clearly worse (like race riots, civil war, etc.).

Eh, true...but I figure if that sort of thing happens, I've got to have a plan to escape it anyway. (Which I keep forgetting to develop.)
Zilam
16-08-2007, 22:56
Are we talking the blinding lasers or the nausea inducing lasers?


Oh those heat waves guns or what ever. there was a thread on it a few months back. It causes your insides to feel like they are on fire. I say its a proto-death ray :p
Kyronea
16-08-2007, 22:58
Oh those heat waves guns or what ever. there was a thread on it a few months back. It causes your insides to feel like they are on fire. I say its a proto-death ray :p

Oh, right, the microwave lasers. Those would work too.
Frisians
16-08-2007, 23:09
Maybe their thinking about the wrong 'clerics' here.

These might do the trick better:
http://www.zone-sf.com/images/equilibrium.jpg


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Andaluciae
16-08-2007, 23:24
Ah, okay. Guess that makes sense. Not that I would ever approve of martial law...

I read the information provided in the article as being a decision made in the light of the chaos following Hurricane Katrina, more than anything else.
Dakini
16-08-2007, 23:31
Now is the time to rise up and kill the clergy for being traitors. I'm 13 but even I have the balls to kill those who oppress me. The clergy is bad and it should FEEL bad!
I'd be willing to bet $10 that you'd piss your pants in the face of oppression.
The Brevious
17-08-2007, 05:24
Its interesting that part of the plan for Martial Law is for religious leaders to try and make us compliant with the government. And why did they agree to do it?
Edit: Put the mainstream link in
http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987&nav=0RY5

This reminds me of a few funny situations that came up in the paper today ...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293414,00.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/06/AR2007080600729.html?hpid=sec-religion
Fa fa fa.
The Black Forrest
17-08-2007, 09:14
And just how many people do you think are going to say, "Ok, Pastor," when told to calm down and go home?

Actually my Bible thumping relatives would........to get their guns.
RLI Rides Again
17-08-2007, 17:34
I clicked on this thread, expecting to read about priests being trained to gun down looters in the event of a break-down of law and order. I am sorely disappointed. :(