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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/15/AR2007081502277.html?hpid=moreheadlines

District officials plan to fire three corrections officers who failed to realize a woman was being held in the male detention unit at the D.C. jail last month even after she had been strip-searched and allowed to shower with male inmates, government sources said yesterday.

Apparently, the US Marshals Service and other police aside from these corrections officers also thought "she" was a "he".

The mix-up began April 28 when Soto was arrested on suspicion of prostitution. Although she told the two arresting officers she was a woman, she was ultimately booked as a man after being interviewed by Sgt. Tania Bell of the city's Gay and Lesbian Liaison Unit.

Bell told investigators that Soto was belligerent and incomprehensible during the interview, part of which took place through an interpreter who spoke to Soto in Spanish, according to a report by the police department's internal affairs division. Bell ultimately classified Soto as a "transgendered male."


Not a very thorough strip search, if you ask me. Apparently she put her hand over her genitals, and they didn't check under her hand.

I wonder what they do in cases where the biological sex or gender identification are ambiguous.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/15/AR2007081502277.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Apparently, the US Marshals Service and other police aside from these corrections officers also thought "she" was a "he".

Not a very thorough strip search, if you ask me. Apparently she put her hand over her genitals, and they didn't check under her hand.

I wonder what they do in cases where the biological sex or gender identification are ambiguous.

I totally thought Pat Buchanan was arrested for something.

Damn you and your ambiguous thread titles. :p

Still, that's pretty messed up. I'm assuming the corrections officers involved are soon-to-be unemployed?

She must've been quite a looker. :p

I totally thought Pat Buchanan was arrested for something.

Damn you and your ambiguous thread titles. :p

Still, that's pretty messed up. I'm assuming the corrections officers involved are soon-to-be unemployed?

Three of them. There were, however, arresting officers and others who should have noticed - they aren't even being investigated.

I was alluding to this "Pat"

Thanks for not breaking the page.

Three of them. There were, however, arresting officers and others who should have noticed - they aren't even being investigated.

I was alluding to this "Pat"


Well, it's a good thing I haven't eaten lunch yet.

Well, it's a good thing I haven't eaten lunch yet.

You do realize that technically, by NS General standards, that makes you a bigot...

You do realize that technically, by NS General standards, that makes you a bigot...

Like I care.

That movie was awesome. I liked when she and Chris had their wedding shower dealy and both their sets of friends were trying to figure out what gender they each were.

...Although pictures that stretch out the pages are annoying.

...and it would suck for the woman who got arrested and was mistaken for a man.

I happen to have acquaintance with a Pat type person and uh......how do you find out their gender in polite company? I totally asked someone and they were like "don't know, assume both, that's what I do"

how do you find out!?

help?!

Obviously, Soto should have taken the time to learn English before marketing her wares on 14th Street.

In one of the Dilbert books, there's an anecdote about a manager who said something along the lines of "While our company is doing well, we simply cannot stand pat."

Later that day he received a report of a distressed worked in the bathroom named Patricia...

In one of the Dilbert books, there's an anecdote about a manager who said something along the lines of "While our company is doing well, we simply cannot stand pat."

Later that day he received a report of a distressed worked in the bathroom named Patricia...
It's a shame that there really are people like Patricia out there.

I happen to have acquaintance with a Pat type person and uh......how do you find out their gender in polite company? I totally asked someone and they were like "don't know, assume both, that's what I do"

how do you find out!?

help?!

Give them one of thoes online "get to know you" quizes that asks for "title"

Or ask for her/his "Title" to send them a card for some event or something

Give them one of thoes online "get to know you" quizes that asks for "title"

Or ask for her/his "Title" to send them a card for some event or something

:p I hadn't thought of that. They have a very gender-unspecific name, and they wear a T-shirt and jeans everywhere and have a gender-unspecific hair cut and a medium tone voice.......and nobody knows.......which is it?

:p I hadn't thought of that. They have a very gender-unspecific name, and they wear a T-shirt and jeans everywhere and have a gender-unspecific hair cut and a medium tone voice.......and nobody knows.......which is it?

If you can't tell when it's wearing jeans, it's a woman. Or close enough.

I happen to have acquaintance with a Pat type person and uh......how do you find out their gender in polite company? I totally asked someone and they were like "don't know, assume both, that's what I do"

how do you find out!?

help?!
Find a bi friend to hit on them and report their findings.

If you can't tell when it's wearing jeans, it's a woman. Or close enough.
Or they wear loose-ish jeans and/or tighty whiteys.

Oh, and the title thing might work unless they have a PhD or they're an MD or something...

I bet you a hundred dolla that she was taken advantage of in da showa.

I happen to have acquaintance with a Pat type person and uh......how do you find out their gender in polite company? I totally asked someone and they were like "don't know, assume both, that's what I do"

how do you find out!?

help?!

An old freind of mine just moved back from Colombia SA, now I havn't seen him for must be 7-8 years. So he got back tracked me down and emailed me, saying he is back with his folx until he can find a place, get a job, and then move his wife over to here(UK).

So he showed me some wedding pics, and I noticed a strange lump in the neck area of his wife, well strange for a woman, he told me that she is indeed a post op transexual, I shrugged, we drank beer!

If you can't tell when it's wearing jeans, it's a woman. Or close enough.

it wears shirts that cover nearly to the knees.

it also seems to avoid any of my sneaky questions.

it wears shirts that cover nearly to the knees.

it also seems to avoid any of my sneaky questions.
Hermaphrodite??

Hermaphrodite??

I don't think so, I think there is a gender......I am just not sure what it is, neither are at least 3 other people in that social group.......

I think I will do a "getting to know you" questionnaire at the next meeting.

I don't think so, I think there is a gender......I am just not sure what it is, neither are at least 3 other people in that social group.......

I think I will do a "getting to know you" questionnaire at the next meeting.

Which might not work if that person is one of "those people" that do not answer them seriously. Or refuses to do them.

If all else fails..follow them around and see which bathroom they go in.:p

I think I will do a "getting to know you" questionnaire at the next meeting.
And what? Put gender as an option?!

I still like my idea best.

edit: Actually, I have a better idea. Have a pool party and invite them! You'll be able to tell by the swimsuit s/he shows up in.

Police have a gay and lesbian liason unit?

If they thought the prostitute was a guy in drag, why did they need a special unit from the police to deal with the situation?

And what? Put gender as an option?!

I still like my idea best.

edit: Actually, I have a better idea. Have a pool party and invite them! You'll be able to tell by the swimsuit s/he shows up in.

@ edit: that's brilliant :eek:

i wonder if all the other inmates knew?

if the time ever comes up for me to go to prison i will attempt to go to a female prison

i wonder if all the other inmates knew?

if the time ever comes up for me to go to prison i will attempt to go to a female prison

But in Soviet Russia, the woman rapes you! Seriously, though, I would think they would notice and kick your ass.

And what? Put gender as an option?!

I still like my idea best.

edit: Actually, I have a better idea. Have a pool party and invite them! You'll be able to tell by the swimsuit s/he shows up in.

not if they come wearing a full body wetsuit http://www.trigeeks.ca/images/vent_sm.gif

not if they come wearing a full body wetsuit http://www.trigeeks.ca/images/vent_sm.gif
Well, that's unlikely and if it was the case, you'd be able to see contours better anyways.


If anything, the potential problem is that this person doesn't like going swimming and refuses to do so... but then there are potentially more people to interact with and gather information with them as they sit out... and strangers/friends of friends asking questions that might probe into gender a bit more isn't as weird as people s/he has known for a while doing so.

I happen to have acquaintance with a Pat type person and uh......how do you find out their gender in polite company? I totally asked someone and they were like "don't know, assume both, that's what I do"

how do you find out!?

help?!

Accidentally fall near then, and when you do fall, pretend to be grabbing for anything, and grab their crouch. You should be able to tell by that ;)

Accidentally fall near then, and when you do fall, pretend to be grabbing for anything, and grab their crouch. You should be able to tell by that ;)

How will grabbing them while they squat help?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Katganistan/crouch2.jpghttp://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Katganistan/th_crouch.jpg