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AFP - Tue Aug 14, 5:26 PM ET An elderly Iraqi woman shows two bullets which she says hit her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City. At least 175 people were slaughtered on Tuesday and more than 200 wounded when four suicide truck bombs targeted people from an ancient religious sect in northern Iraq, officials said.(AFP/Wissam al-Okaili)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/captsgekvv94140807212420photo03phot.default512x369.jpg

Notice that the bullets are unfired. What did the US troops do, throw them at her house? Please. If you're going to claim that US troops did something, at least make it plausible.

Unfired bullets aren't even remotely close.

hehe...
But it means they were within throwing/dropping distance.

But.. source?
Because where does she claim the U.S. troops did anything?

hehe...
But it means they were within throwing/dropping distance.

But.. source?
Because where does she claim the U.S. troops did anything?

Buried in the slide shows and captions.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/1479/im:/070814/photos_wl_me_afp/4560f875bd3806221772003e30d634d8;_ylt=AuJUcleZmlJIAalnihMYVaLKps8F

It's an Agence France Press photo and report on Yahoo.

She's making the claim.

Just when you thought anti-Americanism couldn't get any stupider.

Well that might be a lie, but certainly these videos show how bad the US military is when dealing with civilians.:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17393.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AXN3H3BPQU

Buried in the slide shows and captions.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/1479/im:/070814/photos_wl_me_afp/4560f875bd3806221772003e30d634d8;_ylt=AuJUcleZmlJIAalnihMYVaLKps8F

It's an Agence France Press photo and report on Yahoo.

She's making the claim.


Oh..bother.. there are 480 pictures in that slideshow. I am not going to look through the whole thing to find out that it is picture 480, or that I missed it when I sneezed..

I'll... take your word on the subject, with a pinch of salt.

This is madness...

THIS. IS. IR-AQ!

Its photo 118 in case anyone is interested.

*Old woman says bullets hit her house. Journalists show her two bullets and say 'Like these?'. 'Yes' she says, 'like those bullets'. 'Ok, can you hold up the ones we gave you and then tell your story?'

'Ok. When Coalition forces were in the area, bullets- like the ones I'm holding up, hit my house'.*

Gee, sounds more like what would have happened for the interview, doesn't it? RO, are you claiming Coalition bullets did not, in fact, hit her house? Considering there's no further information to the story apart from a photo blurb, you seem pretty confident she's lying.

Well that might be a lie, but certainly these videos show how bad the US military is when dealing with civilians.:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17393.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AXN3H3BPQU

The only reason to believe the first one was civs is because the website said so. That isn't a good enough reason. The second one doesn't work.

Its photo 118 in case anyone is interested.

*Old woman says bullets hit her house. Journalists show her two bullets and say 'Like these?'. 'Yes' she says, 'like those bullets'. 'Ok, can you hold up the ones we gave you and then tell your story?'

'Ok. When Coalition forces were in the area, bullets- like the ones I'm holding up, hit my house'.*

Gee, sounds more like what would have happened for the interview, doesn't it? RO, are you claiming Coalition bullets did not, in fact, hit her house? Considering there's no further information to the story apart from a photo blurb, you seem pretty confident she's lying.

Of course she is lying. She is a woman, brown, and a muslim. Three strikes against her as far as RO is concerned.

This shouldn't be taken lightly, those bullets thrown could have poked an eye out.

The only reason to believe the first one was civs is because the website said so. That isn't a good enough reason. The second one doesn't work.

1) there was no gunfire coming back at the people
2) the people were running and hiding
3) at the end of the vid, the soldiers say something about how they got them when they were getting out of the car. Would insurgent just be out for a stroll in their car? Wouldn't they attack back? wouldn't there be weapons found?

The other video was supposed to be of a bus being attacked. They shot it up, it caught on fire, people ran out, and they were shot and killed. Later, they were able to give medical care to one. Would US soldier provide care for an insurgent?

1) there was no gunfire coming back at the people
2) the people were running and hiding
3) at the end of the vid, the soldiers say something about how they got them when they were getting out of the car. Would insurgent just be out for a stroll in their car? Wouldn't they attack back? wouldn't there be weapons found?


They could have been highly wanted government targets who didn't have a gun at the time. Their number plates may have been tracked or something.


The other video was supposed to be of a bus being attacked. They shot it up, it caught on fire, people ran out, and they were shot and killed. Later, they were able to give medical care to one. Would US soldier provide care for an insurgent?

Can you find any other source for that vid?

The other video was supposed to be of a bus being attacked. They shot it up, it caught on fire, people ran out, and they were shot and killed. Later, they were able to give medical care to one. Would US soldier provide care for an insurgent?

A few possible explanations for that.

1. That one person happened to be the only civilian there.
2. They wanted the insurgent alive for interrogation.
3. It was one of their own people.
4. There is no war.
5. They were really poisoning the person, under the guise of care.

Would US soldier provide care for an insurgent?

They frequently do.

Maybe America should resort to Total War in order to put down the insurgents...what we are doing seems to have no effect.

1) there was no gunfire coming back at the people
2) the people were running and hiding
3) at the end of the vid, the soldiers say something about how they got them when they were getting out of the car. Would insurgent just be out for a stroll in their car? Wouldn't they attack back? wouldn't there be weapons found?


Call me crazy, but doesn't it say "no unarmed people were hurt during shooting" at the end?

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/captsgekvv94140807212420photo03phot.default512x369.jpg

Notice that the bullets are unfired. What did the US troops do, throw them at her house? Please. If you're going to claim that US troops did something, at least make it plausible.

Unfired bullets aren't even remotely close.

As long as you aren't using this to imply that all bad reports about US soldiers are false.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/captsgekvv94140807212420photo03phot.default512x369.jpg

Notice that the bullets are unfired. What did the US troops do, throw them at her house? Please. If you're going to claim that US troops did something, at least make it plausible.

Unfired bullets aren't even remotely close.

Is she claiming they fired THOSE SPECIFIC bullets or is she claiming they fired bullets LIKE THOSE?

"What's wrong with the credibility of this thread?"
"DK posted it."

Ding, ding, ding, I'm a winner.

As a response to the thread title..
What is wrong with the picture is that the background is much more blurry than the foreground.. poor photography in my opinion.

Call me crazy, but doesn't it say "no unarmed people were hurt during shooting" at the end?

It did say that in print at the end of that video, but all the people leaving the cars that were shot up looked like they were carrying nothing, let alone weapons.

I don't presume to judge soldiers. I'll wait for the inquiries and for history. I'm not there, I don't know what it's really like.

It did say that in print at the end of that video, but all the people leaving the cars that were shot up looked like they were carrying nothing, let alone weapons.

I don't presume to judge soldiers. I'll wait for the inquiries and for history. I'm not there, I don't know what it's really like.

Agreed. I can't really see it too well, but i would take the person who made the video's word for it because i bet they know what happened. Unless they do an investigation, and they figure out differently. Innocent until proven guilty, and this does not prove them guilty at all.

As a response to the thread title..
What is wrong with the picture is that the background is much more blurry than the foreground.. poor photography in my opinion.
It's called using focus to highlight the important part

As a response to the thread title..
What is wrong with the picture is that the background is much more blurry than the foreground.. poor photography in my opinion.

And he wins the thread.

+1

I like the pic, really. It'd be a nice wallpaper imo, had it been the right size and ratio :(

Is she claiming they fired THOSE SPECIFIC bullets or is she claiming they fired bullets LIKE THOSE?

AFP - Tue Aug 14, 5:26 PM ET An elderly Iraqi woman shows two bullets which she says hit her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City.

From the article, it seems to be those bullets.

Its photo 118 in case anyone is interested.

*Old woman says bullets hit her house. Journalists show her two bullets and say 'Like these?'. 'Yes' she says, 'like those bullets'. 'Ok, can you hold up the ones we gave you and then tell your story?'

'Ok. When Coalition forces were in the area, bullets- like the ones I'm holding up, hit my house'.*

Gee, sounds more like what would have happened for the interview, doesn't it? RO, are you claiming Coalition bullets did not, in fact, hit her house? Considering there's no further information to the story apart from a photo blurb, you seem pretty confident she's lying.

How can the woman tell what kind of bullets hit her house?

From the article, it seems to be those bullets.

Uh..no. From the slide show connected to the article:

Its photo 118 in case anyone is interested.

*Old woman says bullets hit her house. Journalists show her two bullets and say 'Like these?'. 'Yes' she says, 'like those bullets'. 'Ok, can you hold up the ones we gave you and then tell your story?'

'Ok. When Coalition forces were in the area, bullets- like the ones I'm holding up, hit my house'.*

Gee, sounds more like what would have happened for the interview, doesn't it? RO, are you claiming Coalition bullets did not, in fact, hit her house? Considering there's no further information to the story apart from a photo blurb, you seem pretty confident she's lying.

Read the whole thread.

Of course she is lying. She is a woman, brown, and a muslim. *snip*

Please tell me this is sarcasm.:eek:

- Amor Pulchritudo

Please tell me this is sarcasm.:eek:

- Amor Pulchritudo



It is. :) Well except the woman part. I am sure all women are frequent liars.

What's wrong with this picture?

Could be focused better..

Maybe America should resort to Total War in order to put down the insurgents...what we are doing seems to have no effect.

Do you mean getting the Iraqi populace to play the popular computer game series of the marshalling of the whole nation's resources for the war effort?

Because in both cases that would be terrible stupid and unproductive, it would probably be better to cut and run ;)

As long as you aren't using this to imply that all bad reports about US soldiers are false.

No, just this one. This woman has appeared in a similar photograph before, claiming that her bed was struck by a bullet.

The bullet in that picture is also unfired.

No, just this one. This woman has appeared in a similar photograph before, claiming that her bed was struck by a bullet.

The bullet in that picture is also unfired.

You're right, she's just some crazy Moozlim whose making shit up. :rolleyes:

You're right, she's just some crazy Moozlim whose making shit up. :rolleyes:

Ah, so you believe those bullets in the picture were fired?

Ah, so you believe those bullets in the picture were fired?

Do you believe those are the bullets that were fired at her house?

Do you believe those are the bullets that were fired at her house?

For the dense on this forum:

IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR THOSE BULLETS TO HAVE BEEN FIRED AT HER HOUSE.

THEY ARE UNFIRED BULLETS.

FOR HER TO HOLD THEM UP AND SAY THEY WERE FIRED AT HER HOUSE IS LIKE HOLDING UP A SANDWICH AND SAYING "I ATE THIS SANDWICH LAST WEEK".

Ah, so you believe those bullets in the picture were fired?

Gee, there are nine guns in my household and a mosin-nagant in my room. I think I know whether a bullet has been fired or not.
:rolleyes:

Psychotic Mongooses already answered your question by the way.

For the dense on this forum:

IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR THOSE BULLETS TO HAVE BEEN FIRED AT HER HOUSE.

THEY ARE UNFIRED BULLETS.

FOR HER TO HOLD THEM UP AND SAY THEY WERE FIRED AT HER HOUSE IS LIKE HOLDING UP A SANDWICH AND SAYING "I ATE THIS SANDWICH LAST WEEK".

No shit. Thanks for calling me dense.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12969771&postcount=8

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/afp.jpg

Caption: A middle-aged Minnesota man shows two pieces of currency which he says hit his house following a pork-filled appropriation process by Congress this summer, in the predominantly conservative Twin Cities suburb of Eagan.

I'll allow AFP the rights to this picture and caption. After all, it would be newsworthy and accurate, since it just quotes me without actually determining whether what I said was a load of horse puckey.

Is it just me or do those look like 7.62mm rounds like what an AK-47 uses... not .223 ammo for an M-16?

Is it just me or do those look like 7.62mm rounds like what an AK-47 uses... not .223 ammo for an M-16?

Hard to tell. They don't look small enough for 5.56, but we don't know her relative hand size.

Hard to tell. They don't look small enough for 5.56, but we don't know her relative hand size.

I'm thinking of the relative size and shape of the bullets compared to the shell casings. They look wider and the bullet longer than 5.56/.223... I used to own an MAK and an AR-15 and those look like the shape of 7.62mm to me.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc159/Eiyuu_Kou/UnfiredRetardedThread.jpg

The thread is making slightly enough sense now, but still inspired me to make this picture.

Read the whole thread.

Uh.... yeah. Maybe you should? My post was number 8 on the first page, and was first to offer an explanation.


I still haven't seen an article or anything further about this and there's nothing on AFP either.

I get what RO's saying, but I think it's down to interpretation of two lines of text - and how you read that.

I'm thinking of the relative size and shape of the bullets compared to the shell casings. They look wider and the bullet longer than 5.56/.223... I used to own an MAK and an AR-15 and those look like the shape of 7.62mm to me.

Judging from the length and taper of the casing, it looks like the first could be a 7.62 while the back one could be a 5.56. It would be amusing if they were 7.62.

It would be amusing if they were 7.62.

Why?

I hope everyone re-reads the first line of the photo blurb, carefully


An elderly Iraqi woman shows two bullets which she says hit her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City.

Now someone point out to me where the woman or the "article" in any way, claimed that Coalition troops shot at her house.

There was a raid.
Bullets were fired.
Who jumped to the conclusion they were (both) from Coalition troops?


RO.

She did.

She did.

Not according to the only source we have - she says hit her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City.

She says bullets hit her house during a raid. She didn't say Coalition troops fired the bullets.

How do you know that there wasn't a brief exchange of fire somewhere in the vicinity which lodged a bullet in her wall? Or maybe some local took a pot shot while the forces where there and missed?

Would it not explain the apparent bullet differences?

Oh wait, that's right.... *clicks fingers*

We have only a line of text to go on as our source. Everything else is pure and utter speculation - like what I've done.


Edit: Look, all I'm saying is people are jumping onto this bandwagon based on very little evidence. Pure speculation and inference is all most of these posts are. It's frankly, bullshit.

Why?

I hope everyone re-reads the first line of the photo blurb, carefully

{snip}


Well, because, in addition to saying two unfired rounds hit her house, they would be of the wrong calibre.

America, Fuck Yeah!

http://www.drunkreport.com/media/america.htm

Edit: Look, all I'm saying is people are jumping onto this bandwagon based on very little evidence. Pure speculation and inference is all most of these posts are. It's frankly, bullshit.

We're reacting to the fact that there are plenty of people who will draw conclusions about the destructiveness of Coalition forces on even flimsier evidence.

The burden of proof is on the article.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/afp.jpg


:eek:

No, just this one. This woman has appeared in a similar photograph before, claiming that her bed was struck by a bullet.

The bullet in that picture is also unfired.

The woman in the other picture, (linky (http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/233142.php)) is obviously not the same woman. Unless she removed that growth beside her nose, removed the age spots from her hand, and got a nose job.

I understand how it must be difficult for you and like-minded people to be able to tell different Muslims apart, especially since you spend so much time dehumanising them.

Uh.... yeah. Maybe you should? My post was number 8 on the first page, and was first to offer an explanation.


I still haven't seen an article or anything further about this and there's nothing on AFP either.

I get what RO's saying, but I think it's down to interpretation of two lines of text - and how you read that.

That was a misunderstanding...I was addressing the "read the whole thread" comment to the first poster I quoted and then submitted your quote as an answer to his question. Bad posting on my part, and I apologize.