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If only we had listened to him back then we wouldn't be in this mess now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I

Wait... so he's the vice president now... why the hell didn't he do a damn thing to keep the US out of Iraq this time?

Wait... so he's the vice president now... why the hell didn't he do a damn thing to keep the US out of Iraq this time?

Is that a serious question?

The question is not why he is in Iraq right now, but more why he did this declaration back then.

Saddam did really stupid thing that led to the first war in 1990. But even after loosing it he didn't get much trouble.

A decade later he get invaded for WMD he didn't had and got executed for the murder of 148 peole. I mean, COME ON!

I don't know about that, but I believe he has to at least be smarter than the person who taught you to spell.

Is that a serious question?
To be honest, I didn't pay attention to the lead up to whether the US was going to Iraq or not, as soon as I heard about it I was writing the politicians here about it to encourage them to stay the hell out of it in case they did... did he try to prevent it?

well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuussssssseeeeeeeee

Mmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's just the inverse of "I voted for the war after not reading the intelligence estimate. Now I'll claim that the estimate was full of lies (the six Senators who actually read it voted against the war), and that I'm against the war."

It's just the inverse of "I voted for the war after not reading the intelligence estimate. Now I'll claim that the estimate was full of lies (the six Senators who actually read it voted against the war), and that I'm against the war."

Now matter how you spin it, no matter how much you seriously try to pin the blame on Hillary, this war belongs to teh Republican Party. Period.

Now matter how you spin it, no matter how much you seriously try to pin the blame on Hillary, this war belongs to teh Republican Party. Period.

I'm not saying the Republicans don't own it.

I'm saying the Democrats own it as well, at least as far as the ones who voted for it.

It's not spin to say that almost no one read the intelligence estimate, and that those who are now "against" the war claim it was a lie (yes, it was). It begs the question then, why didn't they even read the damned thing?

To be honest, I didn't pay attention to the lead up to whether the US was going to Iraq or not, as soon as I heard about it I was writing the politicians here about it to encourage them to stay the hell out of it in case they did... did he try to prevent it?

He was the driving force behind the war. He wanted to go to war in Iraq before he was even Vice President.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm


His signature is on the bottom. If you search through articles prior to 2000 you'll find this organization's advocacy of teh overthrow of Saddam Hussein by military means. This organization, by the way, is the organization that is referred to by the name "neocon."

To be honest, I didn't pay attention to the lead up to whether the US was going to Iraq or not, as soon as I heard about it I was writing the politicians here about it to encourage them to stay the hell out of it in case they did... did he try to prevent it?

No. Cheney was all for the war.
Probably because of a combination of greed (Halliburton stocks) and lust for power (New American Century).

I'm not saying the Republicans don't own it.

I'm saying the Democrats own it as well, at least as far as the ones who voted for it.

It's not spin to say that almost no one read the intelligence estimate, and that those who are now "against" the war claim it was a lie (yes, it was). It begs the question then, why didn't they even read the damned thing?

Now matter how you spin it, no matter how much you seriously try to pin the blame on Hillary, this war belongs to the Republican Party. Period.

Now matter how you spin it, no matter how much you seriously try to pin the blame on Hillary, this war belongs to the Republican Party. Period.

Sorry, Hillary owns it as well. You keep thinking I am "blaming Hillary". I am not.

She voted for it. She didn't read the intelligence estimate.

She (after the Republicans) and any Democrat who voted for it (Kerry, who didn't read the estimate either), should get the same treatment as any Republican.

I tend to think of Hillary as Cheney's evil twin sister, who has been missing all of these years...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/08/15/EDASRIF5P.DTL

WHAT IN the world was Sen. Hillary Clinton thinking when she attacked Sen. Barack Obama for ruling out the use of nuclear weapons in going after Osama bin Laden? And why aren't her supporters more concerned about yet another egregious example of Clinton's consistent backing for the mindless militarism that is dragging this nation to ruin? So what that she is pro-choice and a woman if the price of proving her capacity to be commander in chief is that we end up with an American version of Margaret Thatcher?

In response to the 9/11 hijackers, armed with weapons no more sophisticated than $3 box-cutters, American military spending, with Armed Services Committee member Clinton's enthusiastic support, has catapulted beyond Cold War levels. Clinton has treated the military budget as primarily a pork-barrel target of opportunity for jobs and profit in New York state, supports increased money for missile defense and every other racket the military-industrial complex comes up with, but still feels no obligation to repudiate her vote for the disastrous Iraq war.

Go ahead Dan, vote for Hillary. I would vote for her.

No. Cheney was all for the war.
Probably because of a combination of greed (Halliburton stocks) and lust for power (New American Century).
So basically he just says whatever supports the decision of the president? In the first case, not taking Bagdad was a good thing because it wasn't taken, but then when it benefits him/the president thinks it's a good idea, suddenly this bad idea becomes a good one?

Fucking politicians are douchebags.

Fucking politicians are douchebags.

"What's that hanging in the shower, Mommy?"

"That's a politician, sweetie. In the old days, we used to call them douchebags."

Sorry, Hillary owns it as well. You keep thinking I am "blaming Hillary". I am not.

She voted for it. She didn't read the intelligence estimate.

She (after the Republicans) and any Democrat who voted for it (Kerry, who didn't read the estimate either), should get the same treatment as any Republican.

Now matter how you spin it, no matter how much you seriously try to pin the blame on Hillary, this war belongs to the Republican Party. Period.

So basically he just says whatever supports the decision of the president? In the first case, not taking Bagdad was a good thing because it wasn't taken, but then when it benefits him/the president thinks it's a good idea, suddenly this bad idea becomes a good one?

Fucking politicians are douchebags.

You're giving Shrub too much credit. Dumb-ya was just the pitch man for the war. Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz, et. al. were the architects.

You're giving Shrub too much credit. Dumb-ya was just the pitch man for the war. Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz, et. al. were the architects.
Well, but had Shrub said that ousting Saddam was a bad idea, I'm going to guess that Cheney would have gone along with it and given a similar speach as he did in that video clip.

Well, but had Shrub said that ousting Saddam was a bad idea, I'm going to guess that Cheney would have gone along with it and given a similar speach as he did in that video clip.

No, GW is stupid. His adminnistration has always been run by Cheney and before they were removed Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld. Read the link to the PNAC that I posted.

No, GW is stupid. His adminnistration has always been run by Cheney and before they were removed Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld. Read the link to the PNAC that I posted.
I'm saying hypothetically... if Bush wasn't a total puppet and said "War in Iraq is a bad idea" then Cheney probably would have gone along with it too.

This has been done already.

This has been done already.

What hasn't? I just heard this speech today and I looked and didn't see a thread about it on the first couple pages and there was no topic on it. How far back do you suggest someone look before posting a topic that is new to them?

if Bush wasn't a total puppet

Yeah, but if he wasn't a total puppet he wouldn't be there...

"What's that hanging in the shower, Mommy?"

"That's a politician, sweetie. In the old days, we used to call them douchebags."
HAHAHA.That was funny,"we used politicians to make ours lady spots smell better".

Yeah, but if he wasn't a total puppet he wouldn't be there...
What part of hypothetical did you not understand?

What part of hypothetical did you not understand?

It was an affirmation, why taking it like a personal attack?

It was an affirmation, why taking it like a personal attack?
I'm not taking it as a personal attack. I'm taking it with annoyance because you're pointing out how my hypothetical situation wouldn't happen in real life, but that doesn't affect the fact that in my hypothetical situation, my guess about Cheney's behaviour might still be correct.

I'm not saying the Republicans don't own it.

I'm saying the Democrats own it as well, at least as far as the ones who voted for it.

It's not spin to say that almost no one read the intelligence estimate, and that those who are now "against" the war claim it was a lie (yes, it was). It begs the question then, why didn't they even read the damned thing?

I remember seeing a documentary of some sort with an interview with a senator - he said they barely read (if at all) the bills that are put in front of them. It's all whether or not the bill is politically backed, and if you've been coerced into voting one way or the other. They specifically make most bills something like 50-100+ pages long just so it daunts those who actually want to read it.

Now matter how you spin it, no matter how much you seriously try to pin the blame on Hillary, this war belongs to the Republican Party. Period.

I like your posting tactic. It doesn't stray from message. *bows*

You're giving Shrub too much credit. Dumb-ya was just the pitch man for the war.

Ayup. Once a cheerleader, always a cheerleader.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushcheerleader.htm

http://www.thenextleft.com/blogatory/archives/images/BushCheerleader.jpg
...some say it served as a bong ... some say it was like Caligula ... some say it was practice for "receiving" fundie support.

Dick Cheney is to genius as Santa Claus is to real.

I'm not saying the Republicans don't own it.

I'm saying the Democrats own it as well, at least as far as the ones who voted for it.
oh course the Dems own the war. Why, the war was started when there was a Democrat in the Oval Office, a Democrat controlled Senate and a Democrat controlled Congress, wasn't it?
I remember quite clearly (as I'm sure you do) all those Democrats who testified before Congress about Saddam's WMDs and involvement in 9/11. Democrats like Cheney, Rice, Rumsfield, Powell.

yep. Total Democrat ownership there.

I like your posting tactic. It doesn't stray from message. *bows*
It's just unfortunate that it doesn't sink into the heads of the ppl he's aiming it at.

It's just unfortunate that it doesn't sink into the heads of the ppl he's aiming it at.

Agreed.

"What's that hanging in the shower, Mommy?"

"That's a politician, sweetie. In the old days, we used to call them douchebags."

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

Now matter how you spin it, no matter how much you seriously try to pin the blame on Hillary, this war belongs to the Republican Party. Period.

No, since Americans elect their representation and their representation voted in line with the President and the Republicans. This war belongs to, and is the responsibilty of, the United States and its allies. Since we all know that we had no reason attacking Iraq in the first place we have a responsiblity to fix our mistakes, especially since there is no way we can take back what we have done, and reinstate Sadam's government.

Well, but had Shrub said that ousting Saddam was a bad idea, I'm going to guess that Cheney would have gone along with it and given a similar speach as he did in that video clip.

I still think you have it backwards. Shrub pushed for the war because Cheney and the rest of Project for the New American Century wanted it.

No, since Americans elect their representation and their representation voted in line with the President and the Republicans. This war belongs to, and is the responsibilty of, the United States and its allies. Since we all know that we had no reason attacking Iraq in the first place we have a responsiblity to fix our mistakes, especially since there is no way we can take back what we have done, and reinstate Sadam's government.

I'll own that, though I didn't vote for him and at least one of my senators voted against it, but I fucking hate when Bush loving *&^%^*^s try to pull a Clinton into every mess this administration makes. If Bush took a shit on the Whitehouse lawn some Bushevic would yell, "why didn't Hillary or Bill make sure there was a toilet there while they were in office?!?"

I still think you have it backwards. Shrub pushed for the war because Cheney and the rest of Project for the New American Century wanted it.

Who, of course, made up his entire inner circle.

Why he thinks it would be a cakewalk now as opposed to an unmanagable quagmire back in 1996. in the 90s he was justifying the US Gov backstabing the Revolutionary Shiites.
in the 00s he was justifying the upcoming US invasion.

Also there is the probability that in the 90s Halliburton was not in a position to make a move... or he was not even an associate owner of Halliburton.


Noone broght it up is my point. He would likely have given a bullshit answer as usual but it bugs me how long it took for this to come to light.Maybe the US media is like NSG.. maybe they have rules against gravedigging.. ;)

This is the only NSG rules I dislike, sometimes I feel like confronting a neocon poster with the stupid fallacies he posted 3 months/years ago.. But I cant (Forum rules)

For example I would like to confront all the anti-Chavez idiots.. posting 2/3 years ago "Venezuela economy is about to fall apart.. anytime soon.. the end is near for Venezuela economy.. etc etc etc.."

Just because the video didn't show up on CNN doesn't mean it wasn't brought up. There was debate about the change in stance before the war, but two excuses were brought up by the Admin:

1. Things are different since 9/11.
2. he's now had 12 years to comply with the UN resolutions and he has continued to amass some of the most dangerous weapons known to man.

Cheney and the administration were brought to task and asked why we would attack him now and not then and these are the excuses they gave.

I like your posting tactic. It doesn't stray from message. *bows*

Now that Karl Rove has resigned from the administration I have hired him on as my posting consultant.

Now that Karl Rove has resigned from the administration I have hired him on as my posting consultant.Karl Rove? Oh YEAh baby... come to papa.

I ask for a showdown.
Thunderdome rules. :D :mp5::mp5: :sniper:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NTm2nYc-X_A
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9IV9an1EE9M

Last man standing wins.

I ask for a showdown.
Thunderdome rules. :D :mp5::mp5: :sniper:

Last man standing wins.

My posting consultant against yours? Mine's pretty fat and squishy, I don't know...

My posting consultant against yours? Mine's pretty fat and squishy, I don't know...I am my own consultant.

so I get to be Max.. and you two (You and Karl Rove) get to be Master-Blaster

of course.. you are Blaster.. :D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NTm2nYc-X_A
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5QN2ZlPDNSQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9IV9an1EE9M

I am my own consultant.

so I get to be Max.. and you two (You and Karl Rove) get to be Master-Blaster

of course.. you are Blaster.. :D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5QN2ZlPDNSQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9IV9an1EE9M

I'm not carrying that little fat fuck around on my shoulders knee deep in pig shit.

I'm not carrying that little fat fuck around on my shoulders knee deep in pig shit.I think I am going to ask for an early X-mas present this year.

*starts writing: "Dear Santa, please somehow make Karl Rove Join NS.. and eventually NSG.. I would really want him to debate around here..

PS If you grant me that one.. I promise to behave better with the girls, signed OD3"*

:D

I'll own that, though I didn't vote for him and at least one of my senators voted against it, but I fucking hate when Bush loving *&^%^*^s try to pull a Clinton into every mess this administration makes. If Bush took a shit on the Whitehouse lawn some Bushevic would yell, "why didn't Hillary or Bill make sure there was a toilet there while they were in office?!?"

Sigworthy. :D

Now that Karl Rove has resigned from the administration I have hired him on as my posting consultant.

AGAIN, sigworthy. :D

Wow,his views have changed greatly.Man I guess Carl Rove hypnotized him. Unless thats a forgery.Which strangely ,with Cheyne's personality, in this situation is the most logical explanation.

AGAIN, sigworthy. :D

I'd like to thank the Academy and all the little people who make it all possible.

No. Cheney was all for the war.
Probably because of a combination of greed (Halliburton stocks) and lust for power (New American Century).

I call bullshit on greed as he was forced to sell all holdings of Halliburton upon taking office in 2001.

Who, of course, made up his entire inner circle.

Exactly. Cheney was responsible for that, too. Remember how he had been chosen to advise the campaign and find Shrub a VP, and "found" himself?

Exactly. Cheney was responsible for that, too. Remember how he had been chosen to advise the campaign and find Shrub a VP, and "found" himself?

Yes. Ohhh, the memories. I was so innocent back then. Tech stocks were still booming. Gasoline was unnder $2. The Seattle grunge music scene was in it's twilight and Destiny's Child was rockin' the airwaves with their top ten hit, "Independent Women Part I."

It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.

I call bullshit on greed as he was forced to sell all holdings of Halliburton upon taking office in 2001.
And you think all of his dealings with Haliburton are available to the public?

And you think all of his dealings with Haliburton are available to the public?

Heh ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/15/AR2005111501842.html
http://oversight.house.gov/investigations.asp?ID=110
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cheney_Energy_Task_Force

Cheney's Psychic... I can't believe it... So, he tried to play it cool, but saw opportunity less than seven years later. Has he had to talk about that interview? If so, could you tell me where to find the link?

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Dick Cheney

Cheney's Psychic... I can't believe it... So, he tried to play it cool, but saw opportunity less than seven years later. Has he had to talk about that interview? If so, could you tell me where to find the link?

He was against the war before he was for the war. Sound familiar?