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Times: British authorities unwilling to act on pedophilia not to be accused of racism

Nova Magna Germania
14-08-2007, 21:05
I have posted a similar thread recently but my source was Daily Mail so the topic turned into tabloid press. (Getting outta topic in NSG? Now that's rare...) So here's a kinda follow up...How's the Times there? Usually newspapers with Times in their names are ok, eg: NYT, Washington Times, Toronto Times...

To fellow North Americans, Asian doesnt only refer to East Asians in UK, unlike here...

Discuss...



Grooming of white girls for sex is exposed as two Asian men jailed
Lucy Bannerman and Richard Ford

A hidden world in which Asian men “groom” young white girls for sex has been exposed with the jailing yesterday of two men for child-abuse offences.

Zulfqar Hussain, 46, and Qaiser Naveed, 32, from east Lancashire, were each jailed for five years and eight months after exploiting two girls aged under 16 by plying them with alcohol and drugs before having sex with them.

Both men pleaded guilty at Preston Crown Court to abduction, sexual activity with a child and the supply of a controlled drug.

Despite being told explicitly by police and social services that both girls were under-age and should be returned to care, the men picked up one girl from a children’s home in Blackburn and then drove on to collect her friend who was living in temporary foster care in North Wales.

Naveed, from Burnley, gave one girl the first of five Ecstasy tablets at a motorway service station before having sex with her on the back seat of the car while the group drove back to Lancashire. The court was told that the two men later took the girls to an address in Blackburn where Hussain, from Blackburn, had sex with the second girl and gave her a total of ten Ecstasy tablets.

Yesterday Judge Andrew Gilbart, QC, jailed the two Asian men under new sex laws designed to protect youngsters from being groomed for sexual activity. Judge Gilbart said: “This is a truly shocking offence. You knew them. They were exploited for sex by the two of you. No other description is possible. They were under-age girls who you knew it was your responsibility to protect and not exploit.”

The trial came amid growing concern at the attitudes of some Asian men towards white girls which campaigners for women claim few people wish to address.

Parents have complained that in parts of the country with large Asian communities white girls as young as 12 are being targeted for sex by older Asian men yet the authorities are unwilling to act because of fears of being labelled racist.

Ann Cryer, a Labour member of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, has been at the forefront of attempting to tackle the problem after receiving complaints from mothers in her constituency about young Asian men targeting their under-age daughters.

Although campaigners claim that hundreds of young girls are already being passed around men within the Asian community for sex, she said that attempts to raise the problem with community leaders had met with little success, with most of them being in a state of denial about it.

After the case, the mother of one of the girls, who cannot be named for legal reasons, welcomed the jail terms. “This will hopefully act as a warning to others,” the woman said. She had had to leave the court as details of the men’s sexual relations with the teenagers were read out. After the trial, Ms Cryer said that young Asian men were caught between two cultures having been brought up in a Western society in families while retaining the cultural values of the Asian sub-continent.

She said: “The family and cultural norms of their community means they are expected to marry a first cousin or other relative back in a village in Mirapur or wherever the family comes from. Therefore, until that marriage is arranged they look out for sex.

“At the point in their lives when they are ready for this sort of activity, Asians cannot go to Asian girls because it would be a terrible breach of the honour of the community and their family to have sex with an Asian girl before marriage.” She said that the reason Asian men targeted very young white girls was because older white girls knew that a relationship with an Asian youth was unlikely to last as the community would seek an arranged marriage with someone from the Asian sub- continent. Police and groups campaigning to protect women insisted that the grooming of youngsters is not segregated along race lines, though there is concern at the attitudes of some young Asian men towards white girls.

Parents claim that criminal networks are able to prey on young girls because the authorities are reluctant to tackle the issue for fear of upsetting race relations in areas of the North West with large ethnic minority communities.

However, Ms Cryer added: “I think there is a problem with the view Asian men generally have about white women. Their view about white women is generally fairly low. They do not seem to understand that there are white girls as moral and as good as Asian girls.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2237940.ece
Infinite Revolution
14-08-2007, 21:10
ephebophilia surely. still a child sex crime obviously, but it's good to be accurate
Lunatic Goofballs
14-08-2007, 21:14
You do realize those dumbass cops are probably white. You need loudmouthed black cops partnered with quiet chinese cops with martial arts prowess. They make for great movies too. :)
Multiland
14-08-2007, 21:16
ephebophilia surely. still a child sex crime obviously, but it's good to be accurate

yes, but then you'd have to start explaining paedophilia, when it's easier to just use the term most people use for any child molestor (accurate or not): paedophile
Greater Trostia
14-08-2007, 21:27
Help! Foreign devils are coming for our white women!

Immigrants are coming for our jobs!

PANIC!!!
UpwardThrust
14-08-2007, 21:27
You do realize those dumbass cops are probably white. You need loudmouthed black cops partnered with quiet chinese cops with martial arts prowess. They make for great movies too. :)

Win
Nodinia
14-08-2007, 21:35
Discuss...

Dear Racist,

An enraged parents accusation does not make it so. Your title presents the accusation as a fact when it is not.


Thanks,

PS Is that the excuse your ex gave you? 'He plied me with drink and before I knew it I had gone on a two week vacation to Hawaii with the brown skinned devil'?
Italiano San Marino
14-08-2007, 22:09
This is what happens during the case of TOO MUCH tolerance. So tolerant, they want to avoid confrontation, even if it means ignoring an evil deed.
Infinite Revolution
14-08-2007, 22:15
This is what happens during the case of TOO MUCH tolerance. So tolerant, they want to avoid confrontation, even if it means ignoring an evil deed.

more like what happens when cops are idiots and don't understand the "sensitivity training" they've been given, they just absorb the words and regurgitate them on demand. then when they encounter a real situation the words confuse them and they just remember the threats of consequences if they're seen discriminating against those scary scary brown people.

either that or as Nodinia says, just some fucking racists stiring trouble. the time's isn't exactly immune to senstationalism.
RLI Rides Again
14-08-2007, 22:18
How's the Times there? Usually newspapers with Times in their names are ok, eg: NYT, Washington Times, Toronto Times...

The Times tends to be reliable unless Rupert Murdoch's interests are at stake.
Multiland
14-08-2007, 22:19
Dear Racist,

An enraged parents accusation does not make it so. Your title presents the accusation as a fact when it is not.


Thanks,

PS Is that the excuse your ex gave you? 'He plied me with drink and before I knew it I had gone on a two week vacation to Hawaii with the brown skinned devil'?

I see where you're coming from, but in the UK many white cops (and people in other professions) are worried about dealing the same way with people from minority races as they deal with white people, due to being scared of being seen as racist. Sad but 100% true. But it's not the fault of the minorities, it's the screwed-up "justice system" and ridiculous guidelines and regulations
Nodinia
14-08-2007, 22:33
I see where you're coming from, but in the UK many white cops (and people in other professions) are worried about dealing the same way with people from minority races as they deal with white people, due to being scared of being seen as racist. Sad but 100% true. But it's not the fault of the minorities, it's the screwed-up "justice system" and ridiculous guidelines and regulations


Maybe, maybe not. However theres naught of that in the OP, just an accusation relating to a particular trial by an understandbly upset parent.
Australiasiaville
14-08-2007, 22:40
The article is racist. There was no need to mention the race of the girls or the pedos.
Demented Hamsters
15-08-2007, 03:31
When I got to this sentence:
campaigners claim that hundreds of young girls are already being passed around men within the Asian community for sex
I stopped reading. Think about it: how plausible is it that there could be that widespread systematic abuse (hundreds) and to date, not one mention of it.
Begorrahland
15-08-2007, 03:39
I have posted a similar thread recently but my source was Daily Mail so the topic turned into tabloid press. (Getting outta topic in NSG? Now that's rare...) So here's a kinda follow up...How's the Times there? Usually newspapers with Times in their names are ok, eg: NYT, Washington Times, Toronto Times...

To fellow North Americans, Asian doesnt only refer to East Asians in UK, unlike here...

Discuss...


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2237940.ece

This is a very good example of vicious and DANGEROUS politically correct racist bias in the news media. To them, child molestation is wrong if the perpetrator is white, but acceptable and morally OK if he's an Arab and his victims are white.

When will they get their heads out of their $%&#@!s and prosecute these perverts without regard to anybody's race? What about the girls? Why are THEIR rights less important than the rights of their molesters?
Osbornicle
15-08-2007, 03:41
"Honestly, since they started putting The Times on that tabloid-size paper...."


Ridiculous story, there's no way that 'hundreds' of twelve-year-old girls were forced into some Asian ring of prostitution, without it coming out sooner. It's on the national fucking news if a man over the age of twenty sees an underage girl out of his kitchen window these days.

Still, it has a point, there is far too much fear of the 'r-word' being attributed to anyone in power. Except the BNP of course, but that's an entirely different discussion. I personally enjoy people try and wriggle out of insinuations of racism, as they so often do.

I'll get attacked for this, but people should not be told what they can and can't say about anyone in a country claiming to have free speech. By no means is it true that I hold any grudge against other races, if I did, I should be allowed to at least acknowledge this. Acting upon it of course is another matter, but my point remains. In a country claiming to have free speech, why can't you express a dislike for someone or something, on the grounds that it will cause offense? My history teacher once told us that we are "lucky to live in a nation that allows free speech. In the United Kingdom, we are allowed to say anything we like....Within reason..."
Letila
15-08-2007, 16:01
Reminds me of the claims of rampant pædophilia in Japan.
Levee en masse
16-08-2007, 11:48
I have posted a similar thread recently but my source was Daily Mail so the topic turned into tabloid press. (Getting outta topic in NSG? Now that's rare...) So here's a kinda follow up...How's the Times there? Usually newspapers with Times in their names are ok, eg: NYT, Washington Times, Toronto Times...

To fellow North Americans, Asian doesnt only refer to East Asians in UK, unlike here...

Discuss...


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2237940.ece

Honestly, there are far better things to use if you want to attack the UK ;)

I stopped reading. Think about it: how plausible is it that there could be that widespread systematic abuse (hundreds) and to date, not one mention of it.

In a relatively small population too, to boot.

Reminds me of the claims of rampant pædophilia in Japan.

Any basis in reality for them either?
Occeandrive3
16-08-2007, 12:00
Dear Racist,

An enraged parents accusation does not make it so. Your title presents the accusation as a fact when it is not.


Thanks,

PS Is that the excuse your ex gave you? 'He plied me with drink and before I knew it I had gone on a two week vacation to Hawaii with the brown skinned devil'?LOL.. "Honey, I really didnt want to go have sex in Hawaii for 2 weeks, alcohol made me do it"
Peepelonia
16-08-2007, 12:07
I see where you're coming from, but in the UK many white cops (and people in other professions) are worried about dealing the same way with people from minority races as they deal with white people, due to being scared of being seen as racist. Sad but 100% true. But it's not the fault of the minorities, it's the screwed-up "justice system" and ridiculous guidelines and regulations

Yes 100% correct. A few years ago there was a commision charged with looking at charges of rasicm leveled at the police. They found that our police force was indeed 'institutionaly rasict'. This seems to be a knock on effect of that finding.
Nodinia
16-08-2007, 13:37
LOL.. "Honey, I really didnt want to go have sex in Hawaii for 2 weeks, alcohol made me do it"


Alcohol and muslims - twin evils in the American mindset. All we need is a drinking gambling type of muslim and they'll shit themselves.....