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One of my republican friends showed me a tivo (HDtaped) about a FOXnews report:

There was this Fox anchor-Lady whining about A Christian Fraternity (student association) not being allowed to be formed by the University of Florida (Gators, Gatorade, Football, etc.)

She was like : ".. blah blah blah... blatant religious discrimination... blah blah blah.. constitutional right to assembly ... blah blah blah..."

Now.. I know this is probably pro Christian propaganda, and that this "journalist" is probably leaving some small details out. or playing them down. spinning.

Anyone else hear about this?

Disclaimer: I like most Christians, I just dont like the Crusader ones

GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- A Christian fraternity has sued the University of Florida, claiming the university discriminates against it by refusing to recognize the fraternity as a registered student group.

University officials have told Beta Upsilon Chi that it can't be registered on campus because only men are allowed to join, which amounts to prohibited sex discrimination, according to the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Gainesville.

BYX, which has 21 chapters at colleges across the United States, claims the university allows other single-sex fraternities such as Progressive Black Men and Women's ChoralBeta Upsilon Chi claims in the lawsuit that the university will not allow it on campus because the rules governing UF's Greek system bar religious discrimination. The fraternity requires its members to be Christians.

Without official recognition, the fraternity is deprived of benefits including access to meeting space and the ability to advertise and recruit members on campus, the suit said.

UF spokesman Steve Orlando said the university does not comment on pending litigation, but in a five-page response to the lawsuit, the university claims that, despite their names, Progressive Black Men and Women's Choral, do not limit membership to one gender
http://www.news4jax.com/news/13881820/detail.html

One of my republican friends showed me a tivo (HDtaped) about a FOXnews report:

There was this Fox anchor-Lady whining about A Christian Fraternity (student association) not being allowed to be formed by the University of Florida (Gators, Gatorade, Football, etc.)

She was like : ".. blah blah blah... blatant religious discrimination... blah blah blah.. constitutional right to assembly ... blah blah blah..."

Now.. I know this is probably pro Christian propaganda, and that this "journalist" is probably leaving some small details out. or playing them down. spinning.

Anyone else hear about this?

Disclaimer: I like most Christians, I just dont like the Crusader ones

If true? Religious discrimination? Yes.

Is it spun? Is FOX leaving something out? Probably.

Appropriate reaction? Ehh...I'll look into it.

claims in the lawsuit that the university will not allow it on campus because the rules governing UF's Greek system bar religious discrimination. The fraternity requires its members to be Christians.

wait....

so their claim is that they are being religiously discriminated against, because they cannot religiously discriminate?

wait....

so their claim is that they are being religiously discriminated against, because they cannot religiously discriminate?

End of thread.

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That's mine! It's from my photobucket! :p:D

LOL, from the other thread, right?

wait....

so their claim is that they are being religiously discriminated against, because they cannot religiously discriminate?

A-HA!

...Wait...

My eyesight must be getting worse. How did I miss THAT?

People beginning to persecute Christian in universities. What is next, the apocalypse?

People beginning to persecute Christian in universities. What is next, the apocalypse?

C'mon man. Two in one day? I have five people on ignore, now six.

People beginning to persecute Christian in universities. What is next, the apocalypse?

do you think we're that lucky?

C'mon man. Two in one day? I have five people on ignore, now six.

Oh, stop being so intolerant. Scumbags block people just for their religious views.

Oh, stop being so intolerant. Scumbags block people just for their religious views.

I block you for being obtuse. Different.

because the rules governing UF's Greek system bar religious discrimination. The fraternity requires its members to be Christians.
Don't be dicks, problem solved.

dp

Eh. What does obtuse mean? I don't wish to sound like a jerk or insult anyone. I am just saying...

University of Florida, please, not Florida University. The only FU is Fordham University. :p

Eh. What does obtuse mean? I don't wish to sound like a jerk or insult anyone. I am just saying...

It means you arn't acute.

That's mine! It's from my photobucket! :p:D

LOL, from the other thread, right?HAH!!!!



14.08.2007

the day Skynet (NationStates) becomes self sufficient.

the day we started to in-source.. (I am assuming Fleckenstein created that graphic)

So I am not sharp?

Eh. What does obtuse mean? I don't wish to sound like a jerk or insult anyone. I am just saying...

Obtuse (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/obtuse)

More along the lines of the first definition, but with the added parameter of being thick skulled.

That's mine! It's from my photobucket! :p:D

LOL, from the other thread, right?

Yes, I'm somewhat disappointed you didn't use it, it's so appropriate here!

So I am not sharp?

Exactly. :)

Everything you say screams
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University of Florida, please, not Florida University. The only FU is Fordham University. :ptrue.

I did introduce some disambiguators (gators, gatorade,etc)
besides, I cant change the title anymore..
oh.. and FU 2 BTW :-)

Exactly. :)

Everything you say screams
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I know this type of persecution has been going on around the world. Its just that things are getting slightly harder for the Christian community every year, despite many successes in converting people in foreign countries.

I am also going to point out that I am also Christian.

I know this type of persecution has been going on around the world. Its just that things are getting slightly harder for the Christian community every year, despite many successes in converting people in foreign countries.

I am also going to point out that I am also Christian.

NO SHIT. Christians are always being dragged from their homes and thrown to the lions. Or made to fight naked against soldiers. Or burned alive.

Hell, happens every day in my neighborhood. Damn Christians and their savior.

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It actually says in the Bible that this stuff is supposed to happen, but its going to get worse...much worse.

I know this type of persecution has been going on around the world. Its just that things are getting slightly harder for the Christian community every year, despite many successes in converting people in foreign countries.

I am also going to point out that I am also Christian.I am also a Christian.

For the record: No-one is persecuting me.
I have been in several Countries, I have always been treated with respect.. and I never-ever witnessed any persecution on Christians.

These things are mainly going on in third-world countries to the citizens of these countries. Either that or you have never announced your religion in public.

This picture does represent the fucktardedness of Americans quite well: http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e142/leftyflecken/jesus_jeezus.jpg

Thanks for posting it.

It actually says in the Bible that this stuff is supposed to happen, but its going to get worse...much worse.end times?

End times and the final conflict, yes, but leading up to the final days, there will be plenty of Christian persecution and false prophets.

despite many successes in converting people in foreign countries.



Well that kind of interfereing in other cultures is more likely to lead to discrimination.

There is quite an amusing contradiction in Evangelistic Christians prohibiting non-Christian's from joining their club.

Yeah, I'm totally sure a sign of the end times is Christians not being allowed to by hypocrites through discriminating against other religions.

There is quite an amusing contradiction in Evangelistic Christians prohibiting non-Christian's from joining their club.

That may be due to intolerance on their behalf. They are probably too proud to tolerate even other Christians.

Actually this kind of thing has been going on since even when Christ was living. Its just that in more recent times it has been getting more wide-spread.

wait....

so their claim is that they are being religiously discriminated against, because they cannot religiously discriminate?

I smell the sweet pungent scent of truth....

I smell the sweet pungent scent of truth....

The sad part is that UF is having to play the "gender discrimination" card because they know the Christians would all come down on them with the Hand of God attack if they were being banned for not being allowed to discriminate religiously.

wait....

so their claim is that they are being religiously discriminated against, because they cannot religiously discriminate?

Heh, QFT :p

Damn Christians and their savior.
I am a Christian too.
why do you hate me?

at least post a diclaimer "Damn all Christians but Occean" ... or "Damn all Americans but OD" :D

Some Christians do actually persecute others but then again they probably have the wrong idea. Remember what I said about false prophets? One word: Waco.

End times and the final conflict, yes, but leading up to the final days, there will be plenty of Christian persecution and false prophets.

Not False Prophets. False Profits.

Yes, Enron is a Sign of the Apocalypse. *nod*

End times and the final conflict, yes, but leading up to the final days, there will be plenty of Christian persecution and false prophets.

Who's puppet are you?

Who's puppet are you?

God's puppet in faith. Nobody's in reality.

God's puppet in faith. Nobody's in reality.

If it were me, I'd demand a letter of recommendation from God before letting the Pope stick his hand up my butt. But then again, I'm the wacko. ;)

Some Christians do actually persecute others but then again they probably have the wrong idea. Remember what I said about false prophets? One word: Waco.what are your views on the Waco Massacre?

Actually I am protestant. I am not saying that Catholicism is a bunch of bullshit, but many of their policies support the "Seven Deadly Sins". Three in particular: lust, greed, and pride. I am not saying all Catholics are like this, just the ones that obviously have issues.

what are your views on the Waco Massacre?

I heard the whole told story on television before and I say the guy did a pretty good job at being a false profit. Even after marrying and having sex with their children, bringing them into an untimely death, the survivors (many, not all) still support him. I think that they are beyond the point of no return now.

I heard the whole told story on television before and I say the guy did a pretty good job at being a false profit. Even after marrying and having sex with their children, bringing them into an untimely death, the survivors (many, not all) still support him. I think that they are beyond the point of no return now.the bolded part.. it means what "they are beyond the point of no return now." ?

Nobody else worships the Waco Massacre's God. They could be called a Pagan religion now. People are still brainwashed from it, however. In particular a woman who was interviewed and believed that this was supposed to happen, despite the actual preaching that when this happened, the world would end. She still worships it anyways. It isn't the real Christian God either, but some warped version of him. Some people are giving up on this, fortunately, though.

I am a Christian too.
why do you hate me?

at least post a diclaimer "Damn all Christians but Occean" ... or "Damn all Americans but OD" :D

C'mon, you knew that was sarcasm. :)

I'm a Catholic, for Christssakes.

It isn't the real Christian God either, but some warped version of him.
Just because their version of the christian god is different from your's does not make it any less real than your's.

Millions of people worship MY God and only a handful worship the Waco God. Don't be intolerant either way. The people who still believe in the Waco God can do so at their own free-will.

If it were me, I'd demand a letter of recommendation from God before letting the Pope stick his hand up my butt. But then again, I'm the wacko. ;)

Who knew conservative Christians were so into gay fisting?

Millions of people worship MY God and only a handful worship the Waco God. Don't be intolerant either way. The people who still believe in the Waco God can do so at their own free-will.

They can do so up to the point of being a threat to anyones well being (including officers trying to execute a warrant (is execute a bad word for this?)). However I guess the same could be said for the other religions that are hurting people today.

In the end I have no point except that I don't endorse violent religions like I hope most people don't.

It actually says in the Bible that this stuff is supposed to happen, but its going to get worse...much worse.

I see no persecution.

All I see is a fraternity being forced to adhere to UF's greek charter clause. As they should. Being a Fraternity isn't a right. It's a privilege that the University allows. They are not being denied any rights, as well they are not being denied their right to assembly as they stated. They can assemble all they bloody well want. They just can't get a freaking charter from the University, as they will not adhere to the rules stated in process.

Really, now.

Who knew conservative Christians were so into gay fisting?

I had my suspicions when I noticed the Pope's odd hand gestures. *nod*

One of my republican friends showed me a tivo (HDtaped) about a FOXnews report:

There was this Fox anchor-Lady whining about A Christian Fraternity (student association) not being allowed to be formed by the University of Florida (Gators, Gatorade, Football, etc.)

She was like : ".. blah blah blah... blatant religious discrimination... blah blah blah.. constitutional right to assembly ... blah blah blah..."

Now.. I know this is probably pro Christian propaganda, and that this "journalist" is probably leaving some small details out. or playing them down. spinning.

Anyone else hear about this?

Disclaimer: I like most Christians, I just dont like the Crusader ones

Fox is just airing this story because they retracted Jeb Bush's honorary degree.

wait....

so their claim is that they are being religiously discriminated against, because they cannot religiously discriminate?

Other fraternities are founded for specific religions. I actually see their case here.

U of F actually has some of those fraternities on their campus. They have AEPi and ZBT so I see no problem with this fraternity. If you are of a different religion, you can rush a different fraternity.

I of course say this as a brother in AEPi.

Fox is just airing this story because they retracted Jeb Bush's honorary degree.

do tell...

I know this type of persecution has been going on around the world. Its just that things are getting slightly harder for the Christian community every year, despite many successes in converting people in foreign countries.

I am also going to point out that I am also Christian.

Yeah, no. It isn't happening. Not anyplace where freedom of religion is practiced and coded into law. Now, you go selling Jesus in places where Allah is the Number One Deity of Choice, and you're going to get what you've asked for.

I see no persecution.

All I see is a fraternity being forced to adhere to UF's greek charter clause. As they should. Being a Fraternity isn't a right. It's a privilege that the University allows. They are not being denied any rights, as well they are not being denied their right to assembly as they stated. They can assemble all they bloody well want. They just can't get a freaking charter from the University, as they will not adhere to the rules stated in process.

Really, now.

QFT, Deo gratias.

wait....

so their claim is that they are being religiously discriminated against, because they cannot religiously discriminate?

there was a similar thing with the Christian Society at Edinburgh Uni, the got laughed at by everyone but i can't remember what the final decision was.

wait....

so their claim is that they are being religiously discriminated against, because they cannot religiously discriminate?

It's been said already, but /thread.

Seriously though. As much as I hate to admit it, being a student at UGA... good for Florida on this. Religion shouldn't get a free pass to discriminate.

do tell...

Apparently they didn't think he deserved it.

I know this type of persecution has been going on around the world. Its just that things are getting slightly harder for the Christian community every year, despite many successes in converting people in foreign countries.

I am also going to point out that I am also Christian.

Just as soon as your pets are poisoned and mutilated, as soon as your life is threatened on a regular basis, and as soon as your house is spray painted with more threats, then you have a reason to bitch about persecution. Until then, STFU.

All this happened to Darla Wynne (http://http://www.exploringthecauldron.com/October05/DarlaWynne.htm).

Well that kind of interfereing in other cultures is more likely to lead to discrimination.

"Your religion sucks, use ours instead." This is essentially what one is saying when one evangalises. It doesn't exactly win friends.

wait....

so their claim is that they are being religiously discriminated against, because they cannot religiously discriminate?

Firstly, there's a little thing called 'freedom of association'. Secondly, only a state actor can be held to a constitutional violation (except for the one prohibiting slavery). Of course, Congress can make laws prohibiting discrimination in places of public accommodation, but that doesn't apply here.

The point is that people can decide who or why to 'discriminate' against others. Doing so may not be the best way to proseletize, but it isn't and shouldn't be illegal. And there are some actually pretty good reasons for any club that is based on beliefs that may be controversial. Nobody likes a troll.

And the club's claim is on pretty solid legal footing, seeing as how the Court (even before the days of Ailito and Roberts) had struck down public universities from prohibiting religious groups to require religous allegiance to join. I think that's why the school probably ostensibly chose to base it on gender discrimination reasons. Although I don't think the school has much of a chance of winning here.