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I hope this isn't going to have to become the norm here in Britain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/6945814.stm


School uniforms made from kevlar.
Is this a good or a bad idea.

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Wow, what kind of private school kid needs stabbing protection!?!?! :p

This isn't the first time I've heard of this. Here in Massachusetts we have a guy who's marketing bulletproof backpacks...as a "precaution" due to the apparent rise in school shootings.

Ultra-thin* kevlar with an ultra thin* steel plate in the back.

...It sounds like alarmist bullshit if you ask me.

And seriously, in both cases kids today have ENOUGH shit on their backs, both literally and figuratively. They don't need an extra 8 pounds on top of all the books...and they don't need the idea that they need this else they come home in a hearse.

*Seriously...how much protection can THAT afford. Why don't you just put them in flak jackets?

I think this is aimed at staterun schools.

I hope this isn't going to have to become the norm here in Britain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/6945814.stm


School uniforms made from kevlar.
Is this a good or a bad idea.

I'm not so sure if this is about schools or the violence of our youth outside of schools.

As most of us Brits would be aware, there has been a glut of school age stabings around the country over the last few weeks(I think the number is 17).

Whether this shows that our youth has become more violent, or more prone to usinf weapons, or that this is now more widely reported than it used to be I'm not sure, although I suspect the latter.

Why? Mostly subjective experiance, when I was of the school age around the mid 80's I remember the race riots both out side and inside the schools. I remember knifes and on one or two occasions guns being taken off of kids whislt at school.

Now I see that my kids have freinds from all sorts of races, I percive that our youth are better intergrated than we where, and far better than my parents where.

So I say that it is not worse that in fact there is less violence from our youth today then there used to be.

So am I just an old coddger out of touch, or do people have similar stories to tell?

I for one blame Britain's sick obsession with knives. A knife culture if you will, for this absurdity. Why when I was in school I never had to worry about someone pulling a knife on me, and I was in more fights than I'd like to recall.


Shame on you brits!Yeah, that's fun.

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Wow, what kind of private school kid needs stabbing protection!?!?! :p

Why do you necessarily think they are from private school?

Kevlar? What's wrong with good old chain mail?

I for one blame Britain's sick obsession with knives. A knife culture if you will, for this absurdity. Why when I was in school I never had to worry about someone pulling a knife on me, and I was in more fights than I'd like to recall.


Shame on you brits!Yeah, that's fun.

Heh I think you have Britian mixed up with Scotland.

And seriously, in both cases kids today have ENOUGH shit on their backs, both literally and figuratively. They don't need an extra 8 pounds on top of all the books...and they don't need the idea that they need this else they come home in a hearse.

Maybe we should just make the books out of kevlar and get the little fuckers reading.

Why do you necessarily think they are from private school?

Idiotic American ideals.

Kevlar? What's wrong with good old chain mail?

Ever worn chain? Shit's heavy, particularly on the shoulders 'cause that's where all the weight is supported.

She said: "I think paying £130 is worth it for peace of mind - kids spend more than that just on trainers.

Now I could never justify spending that much money on trainers anyway, so perhaps I'm the wrong one to judge...

I see very, very little violence such as this at my school, nor do I ever hear about it, and would imagine that if parents have got this much money and actually consider buying it for their children are the type of kids that won't be involved with violence and gangs.

Hey, we Americans arm our children properly. When I was a kid, you could get by with a knife or length of pipe or chain, but these days...

Maybe we should just make the books out of kevlar and get the little fuckers reading.

...Uh...

...Wha?

Idiotic American ideals.

*sigh*

Ever worn chain? Shit's heavy, particularly on the shoulders 'cause that's where all the weight is supported.

Good! Give them some exercise, use those muscles.

I for one blame Britain's sick obsession with knives. A knife culture if you will, for this absurdity. Why when I was in school I never had to worry about someone pulling a knife on me, and I was in more fights than I'd like to recall.


Shame on you brits!Yeah, that's fun.

It's a knife culture. They glorify sharp things. *nod*

...Uh...

...Wha?

In order to protect themselves, they'll read the books.


*sigh*

What? I'm sure every inner city kid has $260 or £130 for fucking kevlar clothing.

Not to mention it seems just the thing for a private school.

"Nice jacket. Does it have kevlar?"
"No, I couldn't afford it."
"Figures."
*stabs* :p (not really)

...Uh...

...Wha?


Literacy and reading age is terrible in this country.

with my plan it will be cool to carry around a library with you ;)

What? I'm sure every inner city kid has $260 or £130 for fucking kevlar clothing.


You'd think that, but inner-city kids are already wearing kevlar anyway. (Just not at school).


Also they can afford to buy crap like this:
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/2123497/Trail/C%24cip%3D1500006712.Jewellery%2Band%2Bwatches%3EC%24cip%3D1500006804.Body%2Bjewellery.htm

What? I'm sure every inner city kid has $260 or £130 for fucking kevlar clothing.

Not to mention it seems just the thing for a private school.

"Nice jacket. Does it have kevlar?"
"No, I couldn't afford it."
"Figures."
*stabs* :p (not really)

I don't know if you were being sarcastic at first...but I really don't want to get into any more of this "Europe vs America" bullshit.

'Tis giving me a sour stomach.

It's a knife culture. They glorify sharp things. *nod*

It's the reason everything is so screwed up in the UK *nods*

I don't know if you were being sarcastic at first...but I really don't want to get into any more of this "Europe vs America" bullshit.

'Tis giving me a sour stomach.

S'Okay. It was sarcasm.

You'd think that, but inner-city kids are already wearing kevlar anyway. (Just not at school).

Then why not just wear the kevlar? Why waste it on half-assed kevlar?


Also they can afford to buy crap like this:
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/2123497/Trail/C%24cip%3D1500006712.Jewellery%2Band%2Bwatches%3EC%24cip%3D1500006804.Body%2Bjewellery.htm

That's disgusting. Pricewise and where you could put that.

S'Okay. It was sarcasm.

Great.

Now that that's done with.

*Smashes a bottle of 30yo cognac over head*

Back to the point at hand.

Does anyone actually have any statistics for school violence in the UK? Because this really does seem like alarmism.

Also they can afford to buy crap like this:
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...Bjewellery.htm.

The hell is that?

I go to school in Great Britain, and have yet to experiance violence.. We all get along at my school, the atmosphere is generally quite peaceful, even though it's integrated..

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Does anyone actually have any statistics for school violence in the UK? Because this really does seem like alarmism.

For sure it is. I agree


Not that I'm from London, so I'm probably wrong, but I thought Romford was fairly nice as London goes

The hell is that?

It's a clown. Apparently you put it round it round your neck and it makes you look pre''y

Not exactly what I was looking for. There are even more pricey and hideous examples out there

I go to school in Great Britain, and have yet to experiance violence.. We all get along at my school, the atmosphere is generally quite peaceful, even though it's integrated..

that sounds anecdotal.

It's a clown. Apparently you put it round it round your neck and it makes you look pre''y

Not exactly what I was looking for. There are even more pricey and hideous examples out there

I thought it was a piercing accessory. Like a diamond, only bigger.

I thought it was a piercing accessory. Like a diamond, only bigger.

Quite right. My mistake.


I was thinking of something else (though they are still apalling)


:EDIT:
This: http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/2193836.htm
or This: http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/2193829/Trail/C%24cip%3D1500006712.Jewellery%2Band%2Bwatches%3EC%24cip%3D1500006788.Neckwear%3EC%24cip%3D150000679 4.Character%2Bneckwear.htm

Yes, the limbs are movable

Quite right. My mistake.


I was thinking of something else (though they are still apalling)


:EDIT:
This: http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/2193836.htm
or This: http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/2193829/Trail/C%24cip%3D1500006712.Jewellery%2Band%2Bwatches%3EC%24cip%3D1500006788.Neckwear%3EC%24cip%3D150000679 4.Character%2Bneckwear.htm

Yes, the limbs are movable

Hence my reaction to the original. You could put that anywhere.

I don't know why the parents are bothering with kevlar; wrapping the kids in cotton wool would seem far more appropriate for what they are doing, and would be much cheaper.

I don't know why the parents are bothering with kevlar; wrapping the kids in cotton wool would seem far more appropriate for what they are doing, and would be much cheaper.

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/amc0492l.jpg

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/amc0492l.jpg

I'm quite impressed at the speed with which you produced that.

I'm quite impressed at the speed with which you produced that.

*bows*

1) No, they're not, stop being a retard

2) The Stabproofability(tm) of Kevlar thin enough to be practical to line school uniforms with is lower than the GDP of Uganda, making this pointless.

that sounds anecdotal.
...

Why, yes, it is. On the other hand, it's also true of about 90% of British schools.

Also, people aren't getting stabbed in school hours, it's when they go around with their mates for a fight with another group of lads, generally drunk, when this happens.

I hope this isn't going to have to become the norm here in Britain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/6945814.stm


School uniforms made from kevlar.
Is this a good or a bad idea.

well it is London, which tends to be a little more crime-happy than most of the rest of the country. and seven kids being stabbed to death does sound pretty tragic, but that's in a city of between 9 and 14 million people. i mean, that's 20-25% of the UK population right there.

i do think it is alarmist crap, but then i don't live in London.


in my dad's school in Cardiff, however, the headmaster was stabbed to death. so school stabbings have been going on for a long time.... i wonder if there are any statistics?

In the US, if the school has problems with kids stabbing each other, they put in metal detectors and either security guards or actual police.

If they don't have problems with stabbings, they put something in the student handbook saying "knives of any kind are forbidden, no exceptions".

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Does anyone actually have any statistics for school violence in the UK? Because this really does seem like alarmism.




well it is London, which tends to be a little more crime-happy than most of the rest of the country. and seven kids being stabbed to death does sound pretty tragic, but that's in a city of between 9 and 14 million people. i mean, that's 20-25% of the UK population right there.

i do think it is alarmist crap, but then i don't live in London.


in my dad's school in Cardiff, however, the headmaster was stabbed to death. so school stabbings have been going on for a long time.... i wonder if there are any statistics?


I have spent ages searching but most of the stuff I could come up with just leads me away from the UK

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rls=RNWI,RNWI:2006-46,RNWI:en&q=School+stabbings

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rls=RNWI,RNWI:2006-46,RNWI:en&q=School+violence+statistics