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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070813/ap_on_re_ca/un_website_hacked

1- Theirs is a good message.

2- They are FRICKIN' GOOD AT THIS to hack into the UN site!

Which Israeli policies are starting wars? Oh, you mean Operation: Survival, which caused all the Arab states to declare war on Israel multiple times in an effort to wipe it's existance off the map.

Oh...those policies.:rolleyes: Hey hackers, why don't I give you a spoon so you can eat my ass.

It is not spam, its a protest. The UN is denying their message so they don't get supporters.

Which Israeli policies are starting wars? Oh, you mean Operation: Survival, which caused all the Arab states to declare war on Israel multiple times in an effort to wipe it's existance off the map.

Oh...those policies.:rolleyes: Hey hackers, why don't I give you a spoon so you can eat my ass.

No, not really, I mean Operation: Let's kill the Palestinians and take their stuff, but I'm guessing you missed the point.

No, not really, I mean Operation: Let's kill the Palestinians and take their stuff, but I'm guessing you missed the point.
This was an anti-war messege, right?

So why did no blame fall on the Arabs who have declared war on Israel multiple times in an effort to rid it from the Earth. Hell, many Arabs still beleive that there can be no just life with an Israel in this world. How does that coincide with peace? Israel fights for it's survival, the arabs fight for it's destruction. It's that simple, when you cut to the core of it.

The organization to whom the US is expected to humbly transfer control of its homeland security and foreign policy can't even secure its own web-site. Pathetic. I don't see why we haven't withdrawn from the UN yet.

I thinks that the hackers were Muslim.

So why did no blame fall on the Arabs who have declared war on Israel multiple times in an effort to rid it from the Earth.

Because the Arabs have a cute bumble-bee advocating a gruesome bloodbath and the outright genocide of Jews. The Israelis only have a well-established democracy, a surging and prosperous economy, and rationalism.

This was an anti-war messege, right?

So why did no blame fall on the Arabs who have declared war on Israel multiple times in an effort to rid it from the Earth. Hell, many Arabs still beleive that there can be no just life with an Israel in this world. How does that coincide with peace? Israel fights for it's survival, the arabs fight for it's destruction. It's that simple, when you cut to the core of it.

No. It's not that simple. Israel stole, dominated and raped Palestine. Some Israelis are but a Jewish version of Hamas towards the Palestinians. The Israeli army regularly destroys the houses of Palestinian civilians, in THEIR land. Israel doesn't fight for survival. The Arabs don't fight for destruction. Both sides fight for both things.

Because the Arabs have a cute bumble-bee advocating a gruesome bloodbath and the outright genocide of Jews. The Israelis only have a well-established democracy, a surging and prosperous economy, and rationalism.

The Israelis believe GOD gave them the right to rape Palestine. Is that rational?

The Israelis regularly call whoever disagrees with their rape policy a "subversive". Is that democratic?

The Israelis established themselves in other people's land. Is THAT well-established?

And I'm not even going to comment on your outright lie about the "Arabs" seeing as you're, well... You.

No. It's not that simple. Israel stole, dominated and raped Palestine. Some Israelis are but a Jewish version of Hamas towards the Palestinians. The Israeli army regularly destroys the houses of Palestinian civilians, in THEIR land. Israel doesn't fight for survival. The Arabs don't fight for destruction. Both sides fight for both things.
No, stop it right now.

The issue is the Arab-Israeli conflict. The Palestinian conflict is just a small portion of the greater issue.

The issue at large is, simply put, the Arab countries united in their goal to wipe Israel from the earth. They fought because they beleived only an unconditional surrender of Israel, in which case it would be destroyed, could bring a 'peace' to the Middle East.

How you can support this is absurd. How you can rally behind a call for "anti-war", by supporting the Arabs against Israel is just plain ignorant.

No, stop it right now.

The issue is the Arab-Israeli conflict. The Palestinian conflict is just a small portion of the greater issue.

The issue at large is, simply put, the Arab countries united in their goal to wipe Israel from the earth. They fought because they beleived only an unconditional surrender of Israel, in which case it would be destroyed, could bring a 'peace' to the Middle East.

How you can support this is absurd. How you can rally behind a call for "anti-war", by supporting the Arabs against Israel is just plain ignorant.

1- I don't support the destruction of any country. The only one that spoke about destruction here is you.

2- The Israeli policy in the Middle-East did more harm to ISRAEL than good. Take that into account.

3- For what reason exactly do you try to equate criticizing the Israeli policy in the Middle East to wanting or accepting its destruction? Is it because you have NOTHING ELSE to back up your points?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070813/ap_on_re_ca/un_website_hacked

1- Theirs is a good message.

2- They are FRICKIN' GOOD AT THIS to hack into the UN site!

Hmm...note that they have been going after many sites...

Who wants to bet they'll eventually hit NationStates?

Hmm...note that they have been going after many sites...

Who wants to bet they'll eventually hit NationStates?

That'd be an honor! :D

That'd be an honor! :D

Yes it would.

The Israelis believe GOD gave them the right to rape Palestine. Is that rational?

Palestine, and a group of other nations, were fervently devoted to the concept of eradicating the Israeli state. The virtuous Israelis bravely defending themselves against this horrible onslaught and occupied some strategic areas in order to ensure the prosperity of their tiny nation (surrounded by a sea of foes) for generations to come. They do not believe God gave them the right to rape Palestine; in fact, they would have been perfectly happy with peaceful co-existence, but the bloodthirsty Palestinians mercilessly assaulted them. And international law gave them the right to their territory, not God.

The Israelis regularly call whoever disagrees with their rape policy a "subversive". Is that democratic?

That is both false and tangential to a discussion of democratic values. I also disagree with your characterization of preservation and self-defense as "rape." And somebody who wishes to subvert the Israeli state by supporting the goals of terrorist organizations such as Hamas and Hezbollah deserves the label.

The Israelis established themselves in other people's land. Is THAT well-established?

The British were perfectly fine with the arrangement; as long as both parties were satisfied with the transaction, everything was just super.

And I'm not even going to comment on your outright lie about the "Arabs" seeing as you're, well... You.

Did you not catch the oh-so-adorable mascot on Palestinian TV?

The British were perfectly fine with the arrangement; as long as both parties were satisfied with the transaction, everything was just super.



Did you not catch the oh-so-adorable mascot on Palestinian TV?

1- What about the third party that LIVED THERE PRIOR, you sod?

2- If you want to use one case to mean "Arabs are ebul", I'll gladly use the Unabomber as an example to inform the world of the evil that all Americans are.

1- What about the third party that LIVED THERE PRIOR, you sod?

The territory was administered by the British; they had the right to allot it as they saw fit, despite the maniacal protests of the xenophobic, anti-Semitic, and technologically-backward bigots who previously inhabited the land. And, clearly, any reasonable man will admit that the Israelis have managed their tiny parcel of desert-ridden land far better in half a century than the Arabs have in a millenium.

2- If you want to use one case to mean "Arabs are ebul", I'll gladly use the Unabomber as an example to inform the world of the evil that all Americans are.

I know you're a perceptive person; thus, this comment seems bizarre coming from you. The bumble-bee is paraded around on Palestinian state TV whereas the Una-Bomber was a troubled individual who flagrantly and blatantly violated state laws.

The territory was administered by the British; they had the right to allot it as they saw fit, despite the maniacal protests of the xenophobic, anti-Semitic, and technologically-backward bigots who previously inhabited the land. And, clearly, any reasonable man will admit that the Israelis have managed their tiny parcel of desert-ridden land far better in half a century than the Arabs have in a millenium.

So, if a burglar invades your house and pays the bills with better regularity, he can tell me to live there and I get to kill you if you refuse. Okay.

So, if a burglar invades your house and pays the bills with better regularity, he can tell me to live there and I get to kill you if you refuse. Okay.

If you're delinquent in your payments and the bank re-possesses your assets, they can opt to re-sell them to an interested party. This transaction does not require your consent. If you then proceed to trespass upon your previous domicile and are intent upon slaughtering the new inhabitants, they have the legal right to self-defense and may harm you to to ensure their own survival.

If you're delinquent in your payments and the bank re-possesses your assets, they can opt to re-sell them to an interested party. This transaction does not require your consent. If you then proceed to trespass upon your previous domicile and are intent upon slaughtering the new inhabitants, they have the legal right to self-defense and may harm you to to ensure their own survival.

Wrong analogy. The house was the Palestinians' BEFORE the British arrived. The British weren't the "bank", they were a thug that invaded the house.

So, if a burglar invades your house and pays the bills with better regularity, he can tell me to live there and I get to kill you if you refuse. Okay.

It is more as if somebody took over your apartment building in a time of anarchy and evicted the people there and allowed others to rent in a time of law and order.

Wrong analogy. The house was the Palestinians' BEFORE the British arrived. The British weren't the "bank", they were a thug that invaded the house.

There was no law against invading the house

It is more as if somebody took over your apartment building in a time of anarchy and evicted the people there and allowed others to rent in a time of law and order.

It's still my apartment.

It's still my apartment.

Your concept of property ownership is predicated upon the extant system of law and order. However, you are conflating our current values with those that existed at the time. Back then, it was analogous to living in a communist state -- it's your apartment, but only until the state comes along and evicts you. In this case, Britain seized control of Palestine, and, by virtue of the international law at the time, was in legal control of it. It was no longer your apartment, and Britain could do with it what they wished.

Your concept of property ownership is predicated upon the extant system of law and order. However, you are conflating our current values with those that existed at the time. Back then, it was analogous to living in a communist state -- it's your apartment, but only until the state comes along and evicts you. In this case, Britain seized control of Palestine, and, by virtue of the international law at the time, was in legal control of it. It was no longer your apartment, and Britain could do with it what they wished.

Britain wasn't the government, Britain was an individual that took it over.

Britain wasn't the government, Britain was an individual that took it over.

Yes, within the framework of international law at the time. Imperialism was a condoned, and even encouraged, practice; the fruits of such conquests were recognized as valid.

Since the thread is already neck deep in this weird house / apartment analogy, what role do the League of Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1922_Text:_League_of_Nations_Palestine_Mandate) and United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_UN_Partition_Plan) play? Are they like the bumbling apartment super and his wacky new age wife or something?

I am having far too much fun with this...

Yes, within the framework of international law at the time. Imperialism was a condoned, and even encouraged, practice; the fruits of such conquests were recognized as valid.

And that somehow makes it right?

And that somehow makes it right?

Even if it did at the time it wouldn't now. And NOW is the issue.

No. It's not that simple. Israel stole, dominated and raped Palestine. Some Israelis are but a Jewish version of Hamas towards the Palestinians. The Israeli army regularly destroys the houses of Palestinian civilians, in THEIR land. Israel doesn't fight for survival. The Arabs don't fight for destruction. Both sides fight for both things.
Ah Palestine?!?

Hmm...note that they have been going after many sites...

Who wants to bet they'll eventually hit NationStates?

It might get us some more nations to recruit :P

Cyberterrorists?! I'll get Bruce Willis...:D

It would be so cool if NationStates became recognized by the international community. Or at least if we got news coverage over our awesomeness.

Which Israeli policies are starting wars? Oh, you mean Operation: Survival, which caused all the Arab states to declare war on Israel multiple times in an effort to wipe it's existance off the map.

Oh...those policies.:rolleyes: Hey hackers, why don't I give you a spoon so you can eat my ass.

Oh please, stop trying the whole Israel is the underdog line, we all that Israel is the only superpower in the region, it has no contenders.

Hmm...note that they have been going after many sites...

Who wants to bet they'll eventually hit NationStates?... would the posters here notice them or assume their messages are just another thread to be argued?

Since the thread is already neck deep in this weird house / apartment analogy, what role do the League of Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1922_Text:_League_of_Nations_Palestine_Mandate) and United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_UN_Partition_Plan) play? Are they like the bumbling apartment super and his wacky new age wife or something?

I am having far too much fun with this...

"One of these days LoN... One of these days... POW! Right in the Kisser!"

or are we looking something more like the Odd Couple?

Even if it did at the time it wouldn't now. And NOW is the issue.

So you think that you can arbitrarily change international law around and say, "Aw, shucks, it turns out that your country can't exist anymore"? That's not so. If Bush passed a law tomorrow branding all protesters as criminals, those who participated in previous anti-war marches still wouldn't be arrested. At the time, what happened was perfectly legit. Preventing such action from occurring in the future is not the same as undoing what happened in the past. If it were, the UK wouldn't exist, nor would the US; Germany would still be composed of several nation-states, and the same fate would befall Italy. Your idea is risible.

I wouldn't want to caught doing this hacking as MOSSAD might make a surprise appearance and beat you to death with your own laptop.

Oh please, stop trying the whole Israel is the underdog line, we all that Israel is the only superpower in the region, it has no contenders.

Uh, no. Israel is certainly a regional power, but no contenders to challenge it? Hardly.

The organization to whom the US is expected to humbly transfer control of its homeland security and foreign policy can't even secure its own web-site. Pathetic. I don't see why we haven't withdrawn from the UN yet.
You know more then one US gov site has been hacked right?

You know more then one US gov site has been hacked right?

I wouldn't be surprised, given that Clinton wreaked havoc on our national defenses. However, I would just love it if you could see your way clear to citing an example.

"One of these days LoN... One of these days... POW! Right in the Kisser!"

or are we looking something more like the Odd Couple?

I was thinking more of Dharma from Dharma and Greg for the wacky new age wife. It seems like the discussion has moved away from the humorously oversimplified apartment / house analogy though - now it's one of those "serious" discussions that never leads anywhere... :(

So you think that you can arbitrarily change international law around and say, "Aw, shucks, it turns out that your country can't exist anymore"? That's not so. If Bush passed a law tomorrow branding all protesters as criminals, those who participated in previous anti-war marches still wouldn't be arrested. At the time, what happened was perfectly legit. Preventing such action from occurring in the future is not the same as undoing what happened in the past. If it were, the UK wouldn't exist, nor would the US; Germany would still be composed of several nation-states, and the same fate would befall Italy. Your idea is risible.

Listen carefully: I don't give a FUCK about it being "legit" at the time. There are reparations for precisely this reason, reparations which England has yet to make to its former colonies!

I wouldn't be surprised, given that Clinton wreaked havoc on our national defenses.

So "stretching your army thin by waging two wars, one of them unnecessary" isn't "wreaking havoc on national defenses" how exactly?

I wouldn't be surprised, given that Clinton wreaked havoc on our national defenses. However, I would just love it if you could see your way clear to citing an example.

NASA (http://security.itworld.com/4352/030203nasahack/page_1.html)
The same dude also hacked the pentagon's website

There also was the Alaskan Department of the Interior
Energy departments website

The US Army main website was also Hacked

Other Noteworthy hacks would be
Library of congress
Google

Over the years there have been a tone of public defacings

Either way it is a reflection on their IT departments choice in some way shape or form not necessarily a reflection on an organization as a whole

Listen carefully: I don't give a FUCK about it being "legit" at the time...

Listen carefully: I don't care an iota about what you think. I do, however, care about what international law decreed, and it declared that the state of Israel had a perfect right to exist. Simply because you disagree with that assessment doesn't make it less valid.

Listen carefully: I don't care an iota about what you think. I do, however, care about what international law decreed, and it declared that the state of Israel had a perfect right to exist. Simply because you disagree with that assessment doesn't make it less valid.

The state of Israel has a right to exist WITHIN ITS OWN BORDERS. Borders that are NOT supposed to be given to them by England, that had, at the time, invaded Palestine.

Borders that are NOT supposed to be given to them by England...

Those borders were legally "given to them" by Britain and the UN.

Those borders were legally "given to them" by Britain and the UN.

That's unethical. England gave something that didn't belong to England.

Which Israeli policies are starting wars? Oh, you mean Operation: Survival, which caused all the Arab states to declare war on Israel multiple times in an effort to wipe it's existance off the map.


Quite true. I wonder if it would have been worse if they spamed it and put like "free viagra" ads that I always seem to get(!! :upyours:)?

You know more then one US gov site has been hacked right?

To be fair though anyone who knows what there doing can hack any site. The White House,Wikipedia,the UN,even Nationstates or Jolt.

This thread is hilarious.

But funny in a sad way, and stupidity makes me sad.

So this thread makes me sad. :(

*sniff*

hahahaha pwntroflhax

Palestine, and a group of other nations, were fervently devoted to the concept of eradicating the Israeli state. The virtuous Israelis bravely defending themselves against this horrible onslaught and occupied some strategic areas in order to ensure the prosperity of their tiny nation (surrounded by a sea of foes) for generations to come. They do not believe God gave them the right to rape Palestine; in fact, they would have been perfectly happy with peaceful co-existence, but the bloodthirsty Palestinians mercilessly assaulted them. And international law gave them the right to their territory, not God.

That is both false and tangential to a discussion of democratic values. I also disagree with your characterization of preservation and self-defense as "rape." And somebody who wishes to subvert the Israeli state by supporting the goals of terrorist organizations such as Hamas and Hezbollah deserves the label.

The British were perfectly fine with the arrangement; as long as both parties were satisfied with the transaction, everything was just super.

Did you not catch the oh-so-adorable mascot on Palestinian TV?

You are right in this and many other posts.Hiekuko or whatever his name is, is wrong.Imperialism isn't great but was accepted.If it wasn't for colonizing America waouldn't exist.Then again Native Americans are a different culture and had just as good a way of life as the British with the Iroqouis League and all that.Back to the poin though.Isreal exists.It has the right to exist. I heard it all went back to a mistranslation.Isreal couldn't be understood so someone wrote Palistine.Once again I digress.You know about the Six Day War. I believe it was 4-6 nations(I don't remember I know there was Syria,Jordon,Eygpt,and maybe Saudi Arabia)The point is many nations large and small attack one,small,relitively new(and still is)nation.Isreal beat them in a week.4-6 nations vs. 1!Who has the right to defend themselves. I'll give you a clue 1. "Rape" is now defense. Isreal isn't greedy. It will share. Arabs and jews alike can live in Isreal. In Jeruselum there is a famous and huge church, a famous and huge synogouge,and a famous and huge mosque.All three.People are ignorant.Hezbolla attacks ISreal.Several times actually.Then Isreal gets the bad rap for "attcking" Lebonan when realy they are defending themselves from the a terrorist orginazation known as Hezbolla. I remember a political cartoon in the paper.There was a picture of Lebonan,labeled as suck,which arms and legs.There was some stereotypical terrorist guy wearing a turban labeled Hezbolla.Hezbolla was peeking out from behind Lebonan and holding an AK-47 while saying cover me while I reload.It's just like that.Mybe people are jealous because Isreal took the same aridldesert land as other states in the region but it made something good out of it.Yet then again Beriut is quite beutiful and was like the Paris of the Middle East.Isreal has never invaded a nation unprovocked ever.I think Isreal almost went to Damascus in the Six Day War yet people are angry over that.Why?You started the war.Then the complain "they stole our lands!" Don't start things you can't finish. Isreal wanted(and still wants)peace.Think of it like a wild animal.You leave it(Isreal)alone it'll(they'll)leave you alone.As for the region itself.I have a better analogy.You move into a new house in a new nieghborhood.You fix up the house.Nieghbors break your windows,graffitti your walls,and rip up your grass.You repair the damage.There are no police to call.They do it agin and you fix it again.This goes on constantly.The only way to get them to leave you alone is to defend yourself and fight back.What would you do?Attack back,right.Terrorist leaders say they want to "wipe Isreal off the map." It is the US's ally.One of few in the region.The US,UK,and UN want peace.They want ceasefires.Well, nofires really.The US can't really interfere because they'll make things worse for them,Isreal,and the region,maybe even the world,in general.Counter-productive,right.Fact is Isreal is a soveriegn state with every right to exist.Major,industrial,devoloped,well-respected,and regognized nations regognize Isreal.Isreal was attacked.Therfore it can and should defend itself.ISreal does not ack as a reverse-Hezbolla."Why are you shelling us?"" 'Cause you shelled us first!"Heikoku, you are wrong.You can't undo the past. Let me ask you this Heikoku, do two wrongs make a right?NO!So how is attacked Isreal in it's current borders any more justified than "stealing" those borders from Palestine and "handed them over to" Isreal?It's not.International law regognizes Isreal.Also here's one of your common misconsepsions.Jews=Isreal. Isreal is a Jewish state but it is not made up intirely of Jews.A good majority of things are written in Arabic and English because no one else in the world speaks Hebrew. Jews believe they are God's chosen people and that they have the right to the land of Isreal, which there ansestors actually owned!They are desended from that land.They own it now.Stop living in the past. Convoluting facts into Isreal "staeling" and "raping" Palistian land. Both sides want peace. One side(the HEzbolla,extremist side)doesn't want to give it.

That's unethical. England gave something that didn't belong to England.

Actually, the land was quite legally administered by Britain (incidentally, with the express intent of creating the Israeli state as per the Balfour Declaration). If they wanted to, they could have given the land to Luxembourg.

That's unethical. England gave something that didn't belong to England.
Territory changing hands between European nations throughout European history was about as common as when our diapers were changed after crapping our pants as babies.

This time was no different from the 239823982983 other times land was changed between the hands of different nations.:rolleyes:

To be fair though anyone who knows what there doing can hack any site. The White House,Wikipedia,the UN,even Nationstates or Jolt.

False I bet I could build a current system that could not be defaced ... it is all about functionality and what you include and the technology you use

Nothing is 100 percent "hack proof" for sure but you can make it so that 99.99 percent of even those who "know" what they are doing will not be able to touch it

Territory changing hands between European nations throughout European history was about as common as when our diapers were changed after crapping our pants as babies.

This time was no different from the 239823982983 other times land was changed between the hands of different nations.:rolleyes:
Nothing, eh?

*eyes explode*
You are right in this and many other posts.Hiekuko or whatever his name is, is wrong.Imperialism isn't great but was accepted.If it wasn't for colonizing America waouldn't exist.Then again Native Americans are a different culture and had just as good a way of life as the British with the Iroqouis League and all that.Back to the poin though.Isreal exists.It has the right to exist. I heard it all went back to a mistranslation.Isreal couldn't be understood so someone wrote Palistine.Once again I digress.You know about the Six Day War. I believe it was 4-6 nations(I don't remember I know there was Syria,Jordon,Eygpt,and maybe Saudi Arabia)The point is many nations large and small attack one,small,relitively new(and still is)nation.Isreal beat them in a week.4-6 nations vs. 1!Who has the right to defend themselves. I'll give you a clue 1. "Rape" is now defense. Isreal isn't greedy. It will share. Arabs and jews alike can live in Isreal. In Jeruselum there is a famous and huge church, a famous and huge synogouge,and a famous and huge mosque.All three.People are ignorant.Hezbolla attacks ISreal.Several times actually.Then Isreal gets the bad rap for "attcking" Lebonan when realy they are defending themselves from the a terrorist orginazation known as Hezbolla. I remember a political cartoon in the paper.There was a picture of Lebonan,labeled as suck,which arms and legs.There was some stereotypical terrorist guy wearing a turban labeled Hezbolla.Hezbolla was peeking out from behind Lebonan and holding an AK-47 while saying cover me while I reload.It's just like that.Mybe people are jealous because Isreal took the same aridldesert land as other states in the region but it made something good out of it.Yet then again Beriut is quite beutiful and was like the Paris of the Middle East.Isreal has never invaded a nation unprovocked ever.I think Isreal almost went to Damascus in the Six Day War yet people are angry over that.Why?You started the war.Then the complain "they stole our lands!" Don't start things you can't finish. Isreal wanted(and still wants)peace.Think of it like a wild animal.You leave it(Isreal)alone it'll(they'll)leave you alone.As for the region itself.I have a better analogy.You move into a new house in a new nieghborhood.You fix up the house.Nieghbors break your windows,graffitti your walls,and rip up your grass.You repair the damage.There are no police to call.They do it agin and you fix it again.This goes on constantly.The only way to get them to leave you alone is to defend yourself and fight back.What would you do?Attack back,right.Terrorist leaders say they want to "wipe Isreal off the map." It is the US's ally.One of few in the region.The US,UK,and UN want peace.They want ceasefires.Well, nofires really.The US can't really interfere because they'll make things worse for them,Isreal,and the region,maybe even the world,in general.Counter-productive,right.Fact is Isreal is a soveriegn state with every right to exist.Major,industrial,devoloped,well-respected,and regognized nations regognize Isreal.Isreal was attacked.Therfore it can and should defend itself.ISreal does not ack as a reverse-Hezbolla."Why are you shelling us?"" 'Cause you shelled us first!"Heikoku, you are wrong.You can't undo the past. Let me ask you this Heikoku, do two wrongs make a right?NO!So how is attacked Isreal in it's current borders any more justified than "stealing" those borders from Palestine and "handed them over to" Isreal?It's not.International law regognizes Isreal.Also here's one of your common misconsepsions.Jews=Isreal. Isreal is a Jewish state but it is not made up intirely of Jews.A good majority of things are written in Arabic and English because no one else in the world speaks Hebrew. Jews believe they are God's chosen people and that they have the right to the land of Isreal, which there ansestors actually owned!They are desended from that land.They own it now.Stop living in the past. Convoluting facts into Isreal "staeling" and "raping" Palistian land. Both sides want peace. One side(the HEzbolla,extremist side)doesn't want to give it.

The paragraph is your friend. :)

1- I don't support the destruction of any country. The only one that spoke about destruction here is you.

2- The Israeli policy in the Middle-East did more harm to ISRAEL than good. Take that into account.

3- For what reason exactly do you try to equate criticizing the Israeli policy in the Middle East to wanting or accepting its destruction? Is it because you have NOTHING ELSE to back up your points?

For every criticism you can give about Israeli policy, you can give a thousand more to the surrounding arab countries. Why you choose to exclusively attack Israel does suggest some sort of support for these countries.

For every criticism you can give about Israeli policy, you can give a thousand more to the surrounding arab countries. Why you choose to exclusively attack Israel does suggest some sort of support for these countries.

1- The hackers criticized ISRAELI policies. I'm not obligated to go "oh but Hamas is bad as well" whenever I dare to criticize the kind of bloodbath Israel does every day.

2- Each side is JUST AS BAD as the other. The Israeli army kills civilians. Hamas kills civilians. I support neither side.

3- I do support Palestine's right to exist. As I support Israel's. Israel can have its country, but Palestinian territory belongs to the Palestinians.

1- The hackers criticized ISRAELI policies. I'm not obligated to go "oh but Hamas is bad as well" whenever I dare to criticize the kind of bloodbath Israel does every day.

2- Each side is JUST AS BAD as the other. The Israeli army kills civilians. Hamas kills civilians. I support neither side.

3- I do support Palestine's right to exist. As I support Israel's. Israel can have its country, but Palestinian territory belongs to the Palestinians.
Don't you get it? If you aren't demonizing them, you may as well be on their side. It just makes things more complicated to think of them as people.

people.

People... Who need people... are the...

What? :p