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I came across this particular New York Times article. It's not the first time we've heard of this bottled water issue. Figured I share the article. Personally I do buy bottled water but I reuse them. Just this Staurday I bought a bottle of Poland Spring, but after I was done I filled it up with tap water and put in the fridge. Drinking it as I'm typing as a matter of fact.

Well heres the article: Poland spring is the devil! (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/fashion/12water.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1)

What do you think?

Oil is always needed to make plastic. When we run out of oil, we run out of plastic. From then all of humanity will have to re culture to a period before plastic existed.

1.5 million barrels per year...that's it? That's only 0.00004% of the world's total oil consumption.

I wonder what kind of cars these people drive...your average SUV consumes 20 barrels of oil per year, and the US car fleet consumes 3.1 billion barrels per year. That's nearly 2,100 times as much oil burned in vehicles compared to the amount used to make plastic bottles.

Drive less and drive a more efficient vehicle, and you'll help the environment far more than giving up bottled water as you drive the SUV to work.

Seeing as how I'm the son of a Poland Springs executive and I'm working for the company for the summer, I feel somewhat ashamed by this. I have assurances from work that Poland Springs is the safest and most energy efficient water company out there, but I'm having a hard time believing this what with all the media reports. I'm just a lowly pack out kid anyways, so I'm not really told much anyways.

Oil is always needed to make plastic. When we run out of oil, we run out of plastic. From then all of humanity will have to re culture to a period before plastic existed.

Uhh, no. We can make plastics from plants and other biological sources that are as good or better than the ones made from oil and are far more environmentally friendly. The only barrier is cost to widespread implementation is cost; bioplastics are still more expensive than oil-based ones to produce.

Plastics will be around for as long as we need them...so pretty much forever. Actually, several companies are working on biodegradable bottles, so it's quite possible that the packaging for water will become a good deal friendlier to the environment.

Seeing as how I'm the son of a Poland Springs executive and I'm working for the company for the summer, I feel somewhat ashamed by this. I have assurances from work that Poland Springs is the safest and most energy efficient water company out there, but I'm having a hard time believing this what with all the media reports. I'm just a lowly pack out kid anyways, so I'm not really told much anyways.

We have a celebrity here...FLOG HIM!!! Just kidding. Glass and aluminum are actually viable alternatives to plastic. Talk to your dad and see if there is any possibility for your company to take a step forward.

Uhh, no. We can make plastics from plants and other biological sources that are as good or better than the ones made from oil and are far more environmentally friendly. The only barrier is cost to widespread implementation is cost; bioplastics are still more expensive than oil-based ones to produce.

Plastics will be around for as long as we need them...so pretty much forever.

I know that but this is mainly a matter of finances. Starting companies would have a very hard time getting their hands on such a plastic. Oil plastic probably also more sturdier so they are used more in automobiles and computers than anything.

I know that but this is mainly a matter of finances. Starting companies would have a very hard time getting their hands on such a plastic. Oil plastic probably also more sturdier so they are used more in automobiles and computers than anything.

Yes and no; oil-based plastics are better in structural components and the like, at least for the time being. However, the majority of plastics are used in packaging and other non-essential products so bioplastics are a viable alternative. However, it will be a while before we can replace functional plastics with biological alternatives.

Glass would be another good option, although it is expensive and fragile.

Uhh, no. We can make plastics from plants and other biological sources that are as good or better than the ones made from oil and are far more environmentally friendly. The only barrier is cost to widespread implementation is cost; bioplastics are still more expensive than oil-based ones to produce.

Plastics will be around for as long as we need them...so pretty much forever. Actually, several companies are working on biodegradable bottles, so it's quite possible that the packaging for water will become a good deal friendlier to the environment.

Milk is a good example. It's readily avible it's the refining process thats the problem. Oh and I'm not trying to condem or glorify plastic bottles. Just spreading the word.

Seeing as how I'm the son of a Poland Springs executive and I'm working for the company for the summer, I feel somewhat ashamed by this. I have assurances from work that Poland Springs is the safest and most energy efficient water company out there, but I'm having a hard time believing this what with all the media reports. I'm just a lowly pack out kid anyways, so I'm not really told much anyways.

Tell your dad I love the new sports bottle, it's so convient,in shape. Plastics killing Earth, not so good.

How the heck is milk a good option? It goes bad even in its liquid state. Unless you like bottles of water that smell of sour milk, I would stick with the flora for these things. The point is that milk would degrade too fast even with chemicals.

We have a celebrity here...FLOG HIM!!! Just kidding. Glass and aluminum are actually viable alternatives to plastic. Talk to your dad and see if there is any possibility for your company to take a step forward.

Noooo, not the flog!

We have plenty of glass products (We also own San Pellegrino and several other sparkling waters) and we're getting more and more into aluminum as well. I'll see what I can do, but I doubt it'll get much done; he's retiring this year, anyways.

From what I hear, Poland Springs donates a huge amount of money to environmental charities, so I guess that's a plus.

Tell your dad I love the new sports bottle, it's so convient,in shape. Plastics killing Earth, not so good.

Which one, the 700mL bottles with the cool grip thingies?

God damn, you have no idea how popular that shit is. I have to pack more of that than anything else.

Wish your dad a fine retirement from me. He seems like an honorable man for someone so high on the business ladder.

did anyone else read that as Dakini kills? :confused:

It was originally Dakini but it was a typo.

See, my plan is to fill up the Fiji bottled waters with a lethal ammount of caffeine so the rich dipshits that buy them die from having their hearts explode.

Their coffee-ridden bowels will then assplode, forcing out all of their intestines and organs through the crotch, creating a massive spillage of Fiji Water.

did anyone else read that as Dakini kills? :confused:
That is a wicked case of dyslexia you're sporting there, my friend.

Bottled water being evil...hmmnnn...seems like a case of misplaced priorities. A number of people in the article itself openly wondered why water was being targetted when things like Coke, coffee cups and laundry detergent are also "bottled", "consumed" and "thrown out", and they're far less beneficial to our health and environment than bottled water is. Perhaps the only reason why this is even a story to begin with is the fact that bottled water is advertised as "healthy" and thus should be "better" than something like Coke or Starbucks or even Tropicana (which still contains sugar and must be bottled) because none could come close to water in terms of health, so when bottled water has a "flaw", it must be labelled as "evil" despite the benefits. Regardless, though, I doubt it'll even be much of an issue- on a hot summer's day when the options are Pepsi or bottled water, the health-conscious is going to pick water- no matter how "polluting" it may be.

How the heck is milk a good option? It goes bad even in its liquid state. Unless you like bottles of water that smell of sour milk, I would stick with the flora for these things. The point is that milk would degrade too fast even with chemicals.

Not at all. Casein plastics are already used in a variety of applications. It's an ages old adhesive and binder as well.

did anyone else read that as Dakini kills? :confused:

Not knowing what Disani water was, and considering the awful English skills of numerous posters here, I first read it as a misspelling of Disney, and was expecting an anti-Disney rant. :)

did anyone else read that as Dakini kills? :confused:
Ha.

Only if it's possible to die from a broken heart.

Whats more funny is that most bottled water doesn't come from springs, even though it says spring water. It comes from distilled, reverse osmosis'd, and ozoneated water, all they do is add minerals back in for flavor. Tastes the EXACT same as true spring water, and yet people pay for more 'quality' water.

did anyone else read that as Dakini kills? :confused:

Yeah

did anyone else read that as Dakini kills? :confused:

Yes, that is why I clicked on this worthless thread......

Ha.

Only if it's possible to die from a broken heart.

Leaving a trail of Devastation are you? Shall we submit your name to the list of Hurricane names?

Whats more funny is that most bottled water doesn't come from springs, even though it says spring water. It comes from distilled, reverse osmosis'd, and ozoneated water, all they do is add minerals back in for flavor. Tastes the EXACT same as true spring water, and yet people pay for more 'quality' water.

Use to work for big bad Pepsico. Aquafina has to be one of the purest waters out there. It is probably the best for you in terms of water. The reason is you just get water and nothing else. Coke puts "minerals" in Dasani. I am not sure how many others do the same but that doesn't constitute pure water if crap is added to it.

Use to work for big bad Pepsico. Aquafina has to be one of the purest waters out there. It is probably the best for you in terms of water. The reason is you just get water and nothing else. Coke puts "minerals" in Dasani. I am not sure how many others do the same but that doesn't constitute pure water if crap is added to it.

Personally, I just fill a big tumbler from the filter built in to the fridge...tap water's perfectly fine, especially around here with the gigantic lake a stone's throw to the north. Not to mention it's dirt cheap...

But we do also have Aquafina on hand, and it is really good. You can get huge cases of it from the Sam's Club down the road.

I'm against commercialised bottled water in principle...but then, if I want water while i'm at work, i'm not allowed to bring my own in and have to buy it there, so I end up buying it anyway. Meh.

Use to work for big bad Pepsico. Aquafina has to be one of the purest waters out there. It is probably the best for you in terms of water. The reason is you just get water and nothing else. Coke puts "minerals" in Dasani. I am not sure how many others do the same but that doesn't constitute pure water if crap is added to it.


Its the minerals that naturally come in spring water. In most cases, its barely there, only like 10ppm of dissolved minerals. Probably just calcium, potassium, and some others.

Apparently, as I remember on a Modern Marvels episode about Water, Pure distilled water gives a raw feeling on the tongue, because its hypotonic and pulls minerals out of your tongue.

I really can't tell the difference between any bottled water, nor do I really care if I can.

I've never bought a bottle of water. I never will. The water that comes from the tap is good enough in any developed nation, and in any underdeveloped I bring purification tablets.

To pay good money for something less healthy than regular fluoridated tap water seems to me the essence of insanity.

Leaving a trail of Devastation are you? Shall we submit your name to the list of Hurricane names?
Yes and maybe.

you'd almost think that these people that constantly have a water bottle in their hand whenever you see them in the desperate quest to stay fully hydrated at all times would be the most environmentally conscious.

But,as you drive down the road, check out all the roadside litter- there are more empty water bottles than there are fast food bags & cups.

More water bottles than beer bottles.

Just my observation.

did anyone else read that as Dakini kills? :confused:

Yup. I also thought "I knew it!"

you'd almost think that these people that constantly have a water bottle in their hand whenever you see them in the desperate quest to stay fully hydrated at all times would be the most environmentally conscious.

Why would you make that correlation?

Well they did ban Dasani in Britain because of poisons/ carcinogens.

Personally I do buy bottled water but I reuse them.
How do you reuse bottled water?

How do you reuse bottled water?

I think he means refilling the bottle...

How do you reuse bottled water?

FIll the bottles up with tap water. I can carry my water around. If not at home, perhaps a water fountain.

Its simpler than you thought unless ideas like this do not compute.

Which one, the 700mL bottles with the cool grip thingies?

God damn, you have no idea how popular that shit is. I have to pack more of that than anything else.

Actually you used to have a different sport bottle. I was similar. Same size,but a different grip,and the plastic cap didn't stay attached.