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Ok, for those of you who played the demo, what did you think of it? I just got done finishing it about 30 minutes ago and I can genuinely say I was blown away by everything.

Every aspect of the game oozes quality; from the dark and horrific (but stunningly beautiful) atmosphere, to the flawless gameplay. Before I got a chance to play the demo I was little skeptical of the game, just because of how much hype it had recieved. Well, this is probably the first time where I can honestly say a game has met, and surpassed the hype surrounding it. The 21st cannot come soon enough.

Oh! "Blown away by everything!", "Oozes quality!" "Can't wait 'till 21st!" AGH! My 360 died a week ago! I have to wait until the end of September to even TRY this messianic game of the gods.

WHY!? :headbang:

...But yeah, everyone I've spoken to pretty much says it looks and plays beyond amazing. Some call it the "game of the year" already. Some call it the best game they've ever played.

...What do I think? I dunno, I'll tell you in September! :p

I'm waiting to see how it integrates RPG with FPS - if it's like KOTOR with real-time battles and guns 'n such, then I'll probably be impressed; if the RPG elements are more subtle, like Deus Ex Machina, then I'll still wanna play it but I may not be as excited about it.

I think it's coming out for the PC - not sure about that, though.

I'm waiting to see how it integrates RPG with FPS - if it's like KOTOR with real-time battles and guns 'n such, then I'll probably be impressed; if the RPG elements are more subtle, like Deus Ex Machina, then I'll still wanna play it but I may not be as excited about it.
I can't answer about the RPG elements because they were absent from the demo. You do get two plasmids, but you dont get a chance to try out upgrading your weapons, or picking new abilities.

I think it's coming out for the PC - not sure about that, though.
Yes. No PC demo at the moment though.

I can't answer about the RPG elements because they were absent from the demo. You do get two plasmids, but you dont get a chance to try out upgrading your weapons, or picking new abilities.


Yes. No PC demo at the moment though.

Hm.

I'm also wondering how it'll stack up against the much drooled-over Mass Effect. A lot of the information of it seems to overlap with Bioshock, so I've had a hard time keeping the two away from eachother in figuring out which game has what.

And now that I think about it, I'm not sure of anything I've heard about Mass Effect, because for everything I've heard about -it-, I could've misheard the information to be about Bioshock, and vice-versa.

I'm really craving a new badass PC RPG. I'd considered downloading KOTOR 1, 2, or Deus Ex Machina again for the fourthish time just to pass the days while I wait for the new stuff to come out, but I've already beaten them perfectly, any other replay of the game would be less than what I've done with it before.

It does look like an excellent game, I've watched some videos of it on youtube, good graphics, gameplay. Cant wait for september either

I'm boycotting it because it's using Internet activation. Developers and publishers that use 'Net activation are no better than the Gestapo or the Stasi.

I'm waiting to see how it integrates RPG with FPS - if it's like KOTOR with real-time battles and guns 'n such, then I'll probably be impressed; if the RPG elements are more subtle, like Deus Ex Machina, then I'll still wanna play it but I may not be as excited about it.

I think it's coming out for the PC - not sure about that, though.

KOTOR wasn't really "real-time"...but whatever.

Have you played any of the System Shock games? The whole idea behind the "Shock"-type game is choice. It is an RPG insofar that you can customise and affect just about everything in the game, but lacks the "leveling" system, which is replaced by the customization options you gain as you progress through the game.

So I would imagine it has a little more in common with Elder Scrolls: Oblivion (just without the leveling) than KOTOR in terms of gameplay.

But here's a twist: The guys who made KOTOR, Bioware, are making Mass Effect a seemingly 100 percent real-time RPG. Meaning every time you pull the trigger, you fire off a shot, not just wait your turn to shoot. And you still get to level up your character. So in my mind, you might like Mass Effect better.

But still...get Bioshock, from what I've heard ye won't regret it.

...And it IS coming out for PC. :p

Hm.

I'm also wondering how it'll stack up against the much drooled-over Mass Effect. A lot of the information of it seems to overlap with Bioshock, so I've had a hard time keeping the two away from eachother in figuring out which game has what.

And now that I think about it, I'm not sure of anything I've heard about Mass Effect, because for everything I've heard about -it-, I could've misheard the information to be about Bioshock, and vice-versa.

I'm really craving a new badass PC RPG. I'd considered downloading KOTOR 1, 2, or Deus Ex Machina again for the fourthish time just to pass the days while I wait for the new stuff to come out, but I've already beaten them perfectly, any other replay of the game would be less than what I've done with it before.

Well, I can only say that if you buy this expecting an RPG like Kotor, you're going to be dissapointed. It does have RPG elements, but there is much more to it than that. Its a shock game, and that should tell you what to expect.

It does look like an excellent game, I've watched some videos of it on youtube, good graphics, gameplay. Cant wait for september either
Er... its coming out the 21st of this month. In fact, its already gone gold, so there is no chance of the date being pushed back.

Havent tried the demo but i'll get it anyway since its my sort of thing.

I cannot believe that this thread has been on NSG for this long without anyone mentioning the story!

I really couldn't give a toss about the gameplay, I just think the fact that you're in Galt's Gulch gone horribly wrong is probably the coolest story I've seen.

I suppose you wouldn't be able to see it in a demo, but I just hope they stuck with it and didn't just ignore it after a while, threw in some boss enemy somewhere and end it with "and they lived happily ever after". It's a game about morality and objectivism, and they better not forget it.

I cannot believe that this thread has been on NSG for this long without anyone mentioning the story!

I really couldn't give a toss about the gameplay, I just think the fact that you're in Galt's Gulch gone horribly wrong is probably the coolest story I've seen.

I suppose you wouldn't be able to see it in a demo, but I just hope they stuck with it and didn't just ignore it after a while, threw in some boss enemy somewhere and end it with "and they lived happily ever after". It's a game about morality and objectivism, and they better not forget it.
The story is very interesting. By far the best I've seen in a game. I didn't want to spoil too much in the OP because this is going to be a huge part of the game. If you do get the demo, take a close look at the newspapers, placards in the beginning, and listen very carefully to the audio tapes scattered throughout the level. They give away just enough to hook you, without spoling anything.

Already got my copy ordered. This looks very good.

For PC

Minimum Requirements

CPU - Pentium 4 2.4GHz Single Core processor
System RAM - 1GB
Video Card - Direct X 9.0c compliant video card with 128MB RAM (NVIDIA 6600 or better/ATI X1300 or better, excluding ATI X1550).
Sound Card - 100% direct X 9.0c compatible sound card
Hard disc space - 8GB free space

Recommended Requirements
CPU - Intel Core 2 Duo processor
System RAM - 2GB
Video card - DX9 - Direct X 9.0c compliant video card with 512MB RAM (NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GT or better) / DX10 - NVIDIA GeForce 8600 or better
Sound Card - Sound Blaster X-Fi series (Optimized for use with Creative Labs EAX ADVANCED HD 4.0 or EAX ADVANCED HD 5.0 compatible sound cards)

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I have an Dual-core Opteron 165 (1.8 Ghz), 256MB nVidia 7600GT and 2Gb of DDR400/PC3200. I think my system will just cope!

I just played the demo.

My reaction is this: :eek:

That sums it up perfectly.

I don't want to hear how amazing Bioshock is, because I can't play it. :(

I don't want to hear how amazing Bioshock is, because I can't play it. :(


Why not?

Why not?

I run Linux, and I don't have an xbox 360. I also don't have a TV.

Hmmm. See what you mean.

KOTOR wasn't really "real-time"...but whatever.

I know, I meant "like KOTOR, BUT with real-time..." - sorry.

Have you played any of the System Shock games? The whole idea behind the "Shock"-type game is choice. It is an RPG insofar that you can customise and affect just about everything in the game, but lacks the "leveling" system, which is replaced by the customization options you gain as you progress through the game.

Like Deus Ex Machina?

I tried playing System Shock 2, but it wouldn't work on my PC.

So I would imagine it has a little more in common with Elder Scrolls: Oblivion (just without the leveling) than KOTOR in terms of gameplay.

Hm, that'd be disappointing. Oblivion was... lacking.

But here's a twist: The guys who made KOTOR, Bioware, are making Mass Effect a seemingly 100 percent real-time RPG. Meaning every time you pull the trigger, you fire off a shot, not just wait your turn to shoot. And you still get to level up your character. So in my mind, you might like Mass Effect better.

Possibly. Though the storyline, customization, etc of Bioshock also seems very interesting. I'll give it a try, at the very least.

But still...get Bioshock, from what I've heard ye won't regret it.

...And it IS coming out for PC. :p

Woot.

And from what someone's posted, my comp meets the minimum specs (eh, two steps above minimum, really) so it should do well.

Well, I can only say that if you buy this expecting an RPG like Kotor, you're going to be dissapointed. It does have RPG elements, but there is much more to it than that. Its a shock game, and that should tell you what to expect.

I wish I could play the Shock games, but alas, the universe has plotted against me.

A cross between "Oblivion" and "Dark Messiah" would be required. The latter was a good game marred by ginormous bugginess, while the former was a great game hampered by blandness (it lacked the mud and the blood).......

"Severance" had some great moments, but it didnt really catch on...

A cross between "Oblivion" and "Dark Messiah" would be required. The latter was a good game marred by ginormous bugginess, while the former was a great game hampered by blandness (it lacked the mud and the blood).......

"Severance" had some great moments, but it didnt really catch on...

DM was okay. Kind of retarded, though, because if you pick the evil side and don't get the demon exorcised from you, you can't use the holy weapons, and the rest of the game is much more difficult. The demon form is entirely useless, because it drains more health from you than you're likely to gain in combat.

So it's like, they give the illusion of the 'dark/light' path, but really it's just a choice between "Do you want the rest of the game to be insanely difficult or really easy?" - oh and don't even get me started on the joke of an ending they give you (the two different endings are both retarded). The game itself is fun as hell, but it's far too short, and leaves much to be desired.


Oblivion... I couldn't find myself really caring. There was no 'light side', no holy side - there were multiple 'dark sides', though, and the assassin's armor given to you is ridiculously overpowered compared to every other armor you receive, except for maybe the really high-level stuff you get near the mid-end and end of the game.

So for 65% of the game you have the option of wearing badass assassin armor that you essentially get for free, or random crap you pick up. Why even bother having any other armor at that point? Nothing else competes.

The leveling system still annoys the hell out of me. Jump a million times to level up your jump skill and you become able to jump a half an inch higher than before. Wee.

In Morrowind, unarmed was ridonkulously overpowered - it leveled up fifty thousand times faster than anything else you had, and quickly became very BROKEN, like having an "I win" button. Defeated the point for anything other weapon, really. And it also had the same issue with the assassin's armor - the assassin attacks you at the beginning of the game; kill him, you get his armor, it's a million times better than anything you get for the next 65% of the game, thereby making the other armors around you irrelevant.

They fixed the unarmed broken-ness in Obilivion, but the combat is still irritating. Less-so than Morrowind, because you won't miss entirely if you can't place the cursor on the monster at the right point, but the aiming is still weird for melee. This is the only game I've had this problem in.

Also, the left/right/stab attacks, which having different animations, don't really have any difference in and of themselves. Sure, at higher masteries of the specific weapons you can add certain things to each one, but between the sword and the axe, the unarmed and whatever else, the masteries skills added to said attacks are all the same. You get the same bonus to mastering sword with a left-swing as you do with an axe's left-swing.

Going back to the 'no light' thing - there's basically a choice between mage, fighter, and assassin. And you can be all three if you want to, as far as I know. And you can become a vampire, but it's ridiculous and stupid and very hindering in specific missions that take place during the day. So basically it's not so much a 'moral choice, deciding what kind of person your character will be', so much as it is 'how many clubs does your character want to join'. I see the assassins as the obvious choice for the dark, or evil, side - but again, there's no light side. There's no anti-assassins - you're either fairly neutral or dark and evil.

This doesn't take the main plot into account, of course, because it's a sandbox game - anything the game forces you to do in order to complete it doesn't really count as an option or a feature.

I'm boycotting it because it's using Internet activation. Developers and publishers that use 'Net activation are no better than the Gestapo or the Stasi.

What about games that have to be played via the Internet, and can't be played without being connected (as in most MMORPGs)?

Possibly. Though the storyline, customization, etc of Bioshock also seems very interesting. I'll give it a try, at the very least.

Get the PC demo the 21st. Unless you have poor taste in games, I'm sure it will become a must buy for you.

I know, I meant "like KOTOR, BUT with real-time..." - sorry.

...Why are you apologizing? :p

Like Deus Ex Machina?

I tried playing System Shock 2, but it wouldn't work on my PC.

'Tis a pity. But yes, you could easily correlate Deus Ex with the "shock" games in terms of gameplay.

Hm, that'd be disappointing. Oblivion was... lacking.

I didn't think so, but that's beyond the point. Just saying that if you were going to call Bioshock an RPG, its gameplay would be more akin to Oblivion than KOTOR.

Possibly. Though the storyline, customization, etc of Bioshock also seems very interesting. I'll give it a try, at the very least.


Hell, I'm getting both! :D

Woot.

And from what someone's posted, my comp meets the minimum specs (eh, two steps above minimum, really) so it should do well.

Woot indeed.

I wish I could play the Shock games, but alas, the universe has plotted against me.

I'm not to tech savy, but I'm certain there's some kind of emulator you can use...

'Tis a pity. But yes, you could easily correlate Deus Ex with the "shock" games in terms of gameplay.

Neato. Those games are somewhat ancient, though, are they not? I remember seeing screenshots of System Shock 2 and it looked half a step better than the original Doom.

I didn't think so, but that's beyond the point. Just saying that if you were going to call Bioshock an RPG, its gameplay would be more akin to Oblivion than KOTOR.

Fair enough.

Hell, I'm getting both! :D

If you love to sail the sea, you are a pirate!

Woot indeed.

Especially since I don't have a 360. That'd just suck so much ass if it were exclusive.

I'm not to tech savy, but I'm certain there's some kind of emulator you can use...

I'll google it when I get home, I suppose.

What about games that have to be played via the Internet, and can't be played without being connected (as in most MMORPGs)?

Those don't count. A game that's designed for online is different from a single player game that becomes a nightmare to play because the company assumes that the people who purchased it are thieves.

I am so freaking stoked for Bioshock. The demo was one of the coolest things I have ever played. I was very much on the fence about the game before I played the demo, but now I'm downright excited about dropping sixty on it.

But yeah, Szanth, when it comes to RPG elements, think more Deus Ex (or even DX:IW, though definitely with better gameplay) than KotOR. Mass Effect I expect to be two parts KotOR, one part Gears of War.

If anyone else here has played Prey... did you find yourselves kind of reminded of it playing through the demo? Not in terms of quality; I didn't think the shooter elements of Prey were much fun and the story was only adequate. The atmosphere was strikingly similar though.

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Oblivion (and Morrowind, for that matter) aren't supposed to have a dark or light side. They're games of Order vs. Chaos, although sometimes Oblivion would have you think differently.

My biggest problem with Oblivion had to do with the extreme lack of factions and depth, unlike Morrowind.

But lets not talk about that, lets talk about Bioshock.


As long as Bioshock doesn't end as badly as System Shock 2 did, I will be happy. The last 3 levels just didnt cut it. As cool as they were, they were all extremely short in comparison to the others.

As long as Bioshock doesn't end as badly as System Shock 2 did, I will be happy. The last 3 levels just didnt cut it. As cool as they were, they were all extremely short in comparison to the others.

I wish I could play those shortass levels!

I wonder how it will compare to the System Shock games...

As long as Bioshock doesn't end as badly as System Shock 2 did, I will be happy. The last 3 levels just didnt cut it. As cool as they were, they were all extremely short in comparison to the others.

They were still fun though. I hope that an SS3 manages to get made.

I wonder how it will compare to the System Shock games...



They were still fun though. I hope that an SS3 manages to get made.

After Bioshock I don't see how they won't have the funding for it.

After Bioshock I don't see how they won't have the funding for it.

As far as I know, they aren't going to make SS3, because of copyright issues. Apparently the rights to the game are owned by a million different people, and if anyone was to make it, it'd end up being EA. Which wouldn't be a good thing at all.

System Shock Sports: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, etc.

As far as I know, they aren't going to make SS3, because of copyright issues. Apparently the rights to the game are owned by a million different people, and if anyone was to make it, it'd end up being EA. Which wouldn't be a good thing at all.

System Shock Sports: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, etc.

Oh my fuckin lawd.


Hate EA -_-

As long as Bioshock doesn't end as badly as System Shock 2 did, I will be happy. The last 3 levels just didnt cut it. As cool as they were, they were all extremely short in comparison to the others.

SHODAN was still one of the baddest villains ever though, you have to admit.

SHODAN was still one of the baddest villains ever though, you have to admit.

I've heard so much about her but I have no idea what Shodan actually did.