NationStates Jolt Archive

We have had the average American, now it's our turn. Do you like the average Brit?

Depends, would this person by chance be Scottish or English? Because the latter are... not so likeable, no. Welsh people don't register, and Northern Irish don't count.

whats not to like?

Depends, would this person by chance be Scottish or English? Because the latter are... not so likeable, no. Welsh people don't register, and Northern Irish don't count.

I wasn't really aware of much of a difference to be honest, except the scottish are more violent.

I like everyone so long as they're not a useless git. ;)

We have had the average American, now it's our turn. Do you like the average Brit?

I really can't say.

I haven't met many Brits. The few I have met were...fine...about as good as anyone else...

That's the problem about making judgements about cultures. I just haven't been "exposed" enough. And what popular culture makes its way outside of Great Britain doesn't give me the whole picture.

What I do know is that "pissed" DOES NOT mean angry.

I wasn't really aware of much of a difference to be honest, except the scottish are more violent.

But oh, so infinitely more interesting, sociable and hot. The English can be very limey, indeed. And whiny. And dress horribly. And have horrible white-trash accents. And they're fucking assholes when abroad.

I hate the UK. LONG LIVE IRELAND!!

Northern Irish don't count.

Why's that, then?

Why's that, then?

Too Irish, naturally.

The English can be very limey, indeed.

Don't really understand what that means.


And whiny.

You sure you have spoken to scottish people?


And dress horribly.

Nu-uh.


And have horrible white-trash accents.

It varies hugely between where you are.


And they're fucking assholes when abroad.

Again, are you sure you have come into contact with scottish people?

And they're fucking assholes when abroad.
Who isn't?
The whole point of tourism from a Western (or Chinese) perspective is to go to other people's countries and piss them off.

Too Irish, naturally.

Ah, ok, fair enough. That can only be a good thing, I'd imagine.

Ah, ok, fair enough. That can only be a good thing, I'd imagine.

Right...

I have everyone who even has anything to do with Britain

But oh, so infinitely more interesting, sociable and hot. The English can be very limey, indeed. And whiny. And dress horribly. And have horrible white-trash accents. And they're fucking assholes when abroad.

Whats wrong with a set of tweeds and what is a white-trash accent never heard of anyone speak like that over here

I have everyone who even has anything to do with Britain

Where do you keep them all?

Don't really understand what that means.

Chalky, then.

You sure you have spoken to scottish people?

Aye, and when they whine it tends to be on point, while the English whine is insufferable.

Nu-uh.

Ah-huh.

It varies hugely between where you are.

There is only one good English accent and that is RP. The rest are atrocious and if RP weren't what was presented in most schools abroad as being English English, I have a hard time thinking anyone could stand the language long enough to learn it.

Again, are you sure you have come into contact with scottish people?

Yup, and the Scottish are usually OK, while the English are basically Vicky Pollard.

But oh, so infinitely more interesting, sociable and hot. The English can be very limey, indeed. And whiny. And dress horribly. And have horrible white-trash accents. And they're fucking assholes when abroad.

Listened to the swedish accent speaking english lately? :| Welcome to local dialect differences.

And yes alot of english tourists are twats. Football tshirt, sandals and shorts anyone? Cant forget the socks...


Welsh are far less of a problem ;p

Whats wrong with a set of tweeds

Many, many things... but chavs - ubiquitous in and almost synonymous with England nowadays - don't wear tweed too often. They just wear tonnes of other shit.

and what is a white-trash accent never heard of anyone speak like that over here

Sort of like this. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=hKL1TgoxPxc) *shudders*

Chalky, then.


Still confused, over here that usually refers to wiggers.


Aye, and when they whine it tends to be on point, while the English whine is insufferable.


I don't know anyone like that.


Ah-huh.


We are trendsetters!


There is only one good English accent and that is RP. The rest are atrocious and if RP weren't what was presented in most schools abroad as being English English, I have a hard time thinking anyone could stand the language long enough to learn it.


Quite a lot of England is just RP but less posh, like in the south east. I admit that northern accents, particularly brummy and geordie are unpleasant, but it gets better the further south you travel.


Yup, and the Scottish are usually OK, while the English are basically Vicky Pollard.

Only if you hang around in really crappy council estates, the majority of England don't live under those conditions and so don't act like Vicky Pollard.


I think the problem is the kind of Brits who you are used to are probably English clubbers as that's what you are into right (clubbing)? And yeah I admit that a good portion of them are annoying and chavvy.

Seriously! Who the fuck cares?

Why aren't we talking about the Belgians yet??

Many, many things... but chavs - ubiquitous in and almost synonymous with England nowadays - don't wear tweed too often. They just wear tonnes of other shit.



Sort of like this. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=hKL1TgoxPxc) *shudders*

You know how little of the population actually speaks like that?

You don't really know a whole load about the UK do you? =\

Plus we're probably hitting the stage theres more emo retards than chavs, especially where I live...

You know how little of the population actually speaks like that?

You don't really know a whole load about the UK do you? =\

Plus we're probably hitting the stage theres more emo retards than chavs, especially where I live...

Where do you live?

Quirks aside, Brits are awesome.

Fassigen, Britain consists of England, Scotland and Wales.
Who really cares if we whine? We can whine if we want. You dont have to listen to it if you dont want to.
And we can also dress the way we want to because it is OUR culture, not anyone elses. I expect you dress differently to everyone else.
And the majority of British tourists aren't loud, and dont get in trouble when abroad.

To be honest, British English is IMHO the most ugly way to speak the language. And I think things about the UK, which are not quite nice, so I might ask brits what they think about that and start a huge stir... or be apathetic as usual.

Seriously! Who the fuck cares?

Why aren't we talking about the Belgians yet??

Because they don't exist.

To be honest, British English is IMHO the most ugly way to speak the language. And I think things about the UK, which are not quite nice, so I might ask brits what they think about that and start a huge stir... or be apathetic as usual.

What on earth is British English?

Many, many things... but chavs - ubiquitous in and almost synonymous with England nowadays - don't wear tweed too often. They just wear tonnes of other shit.



Sort of like this. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=hKL1TgoxPxc) *shudders*

dont realy like that accent either my ears are more accostumed to more laid back rural twang

You know how little of the population actually speaks like that?

Actually, most English seem to speak variants of that. You may be used to it and don't notice it any more.

You don't really know a whole load about the UK do you? =\

I know more than I should ever need or want to know, but I'm talking about England now. As I said, I like Scotland.

What on earth is British English?
Listen to BBC, then you get a good idea of what I call like that.

Listen to BBC, then you get a good idea of what I call like that.

Which one? Radio 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc...? Each channel is presented by different types of people who each have different accents. But even with in each channel you will have varied accents, from Asian to Scottish.

Because they don't exist.

All the better, and all the more reason to speak about them in my view.

Which one? Radio 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc...? Each channel is presented by different types of people who each have different accents. But even with in each channel you will have varied accents, from Asian to Scottish.

The ones I get in Germany sound rather alike to me. It seems to be impossible for a BBC moderator not to raise and lower his/her voice in a completely strange way.

Actually, most English seem to speak variants of that. You may be used to it and don't notice it any more.



I know more than I should ever need or want to know, but I'm talking about England now. As I said, I like Scotland.

Not really, Im welsh thank you very much...

Different accent, and all places have it.

That statement just proves you don't have a clue.

The ones I get in Germany sound rather alike to me. It seems to be impossible for a BBC moderator not to raise and lower his/her voice in a completely strange way.

Ah, yeah channels like BBC world service have strange people on it. They do not represent any majority of English speakers.

That statement just proves you don't have a clue.

And that statement just proves you're in denial. I'd be too, if I had to live there.

Actually, most English seem to speak variants of that. You may be used to it and don't notice it any more.
Yeah, you really haven't met many English. Even I can't stand that accent.

Yeah, you really haven't met many English.

Oh, how I wish that were true, I do.

The generalisation going on in this thread is oh so funny, even more so than the American thread. Basing what you think on tourists, radio broadcasts, and youtube videos is a very bad idea.

The generalisation going on in this thread is oh so funny, even more so than the American thread. Basing what you think on tourists, radio broadcasts, and youtube videos is a very bad idea.

Those were all examples, nothing was "based" on them. I think it's hilarous when people start threads like these, but then can't handle hearing what they asked for and get all pissy and defensive.

Those were all examples, nothing was "based" on them. I think it's hilarous when people start threads like these, but then can't handle hearing what they asked for and get all pissy and defensive.

Frankly, you cannot 'base' on anything unless you have lived in a country for a decent period (a year perhaps). Concerning defensive attitudes I generally couldn't care less, I find defining by nationalities stupid enough already without adding stereotypes and 'this country is better than this country' nonsense.

Those were all examples, nothing was "based" on them. I think it's hilarous when people start threads like these, but then can't handle hearing what they asked for and get all pissy and defensive.

I'm not really trying to be "all defensive", i'm just questioning and debating.

Deepnds. The average lower/lower middle class Brit? Yes, with a passion. Gruff, barely comprehensible, inarticulate accents that only continue the sense of neanderthalesque stupidity they exude.

I'm with Fass on this. The average Brit is a moron.

I've been to England twice and I've always got along with people there. Never met any bad English, though I'm sure there are some. (Like there are of any nationality).

I do have to admit that the Scottish accents are way cooler than the English ones. (Yes, I know there is more than one English accent)

Actually, I've liked the people in every country I've been too, except for Russia, Israel (people here just weren't that nice) and the Arab countries. I've been received well in every country except the ones listed above.

That's alot of good people I've met since I've been too:
"(America, obviously) Canada, Mexico, Dominican Republic, England, France, Italy, Croatia, Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Russia, Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan.

I think I was most suprised by how stupid the French bashing is. I'm not talking about the French jokes, but the actual dislike of the French. I found them very nice people and I have a very good friend who is French. She's really really cool and in general their women are spectacular looking.:p

I think I was most suprised by how stupid the French bashing is. I'm not talking about the French jokes, but the actual dislike of the French. I found them very nice people and I have a very good friend who is French. She's really really cool and in general their women are spectacular looking.:p

It's only natural, I suppose. We've fought a good number of wars with them, after all. And, let's face it, no one ever really gets on with their neighbours. ;)

As for accents, many people would be surprised to learn just how many there actually are.

It's only natural, I suppose. We've fought a good number of wars with them, after all. And, let's face it, no one ever really gets on with their neighbours. ;)

As for accents, many people would be surprised to learn just how many there actually are.

And, for that matter, how sodding irritating most are.

Quite a lot of England is just RP but less posh, like in the south east. I admit that northern accents, particularly brummy and geordie are unpleasant, but it gets better the further south you travel.


Actually, "geordie" is a dialect, and I doubt you'd really understand a word of it if it was spoken to you. You are probably confusing geordie with pitmatical.

I have never liked the British...

I have never liked the British...

They don't particularly have a love affair with the Canadians either. (Well except for Newfoundland, which should be returned to the mother country).

They don't particularly have a love affair with the Canadians either. (Well except for Newfoundland, which should be returned to the mother country).Good, very good.


(Who the hell wants Newfoundland? Their accent is absolutely abysmal, and the province is an economic mess.)

(Who the hell wants Newfoundland? Their accent is absolutely abysmal, and the province is an economic mess.)

I think the british like seaweed.

can't say as i've ever met the average anything.

i think the funny way they talk is totally cool though. kind of hard to fallow their verbal abreviations sometimes. to get what the're actually saying. but it all sounds really trippy to listen to.
and everyone i've met from there seemed pretty mellow compared to the local variety of human.

=^^=
.../\...

Mud (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLfzJb1lI3U)

I think the british like seaweed.
*Nods*

Staple food. Roast seaweed and Yorkshire puddings. Seaweed and Chips. Seaweed Tikka Masala...:p

EDIT: And, to answer the question, can I say that as a Brit, I have a love/hate relationship with my own country? We aren't that awful, as a whole, surely?

*Nods*

Staple food. Roast seaweed and Yorkshire puddings. Seaweed and Chips. Seaweed Tikka Masala...:p

EDIT: And, to answer the question, can I say that as a Brit, I have a love/hate relationship with my own country? We aren't that awful, as a whole, surely?

Nah. Everyone who lives north of the tyne and south of the tweed are fantastic. The rest of the island might be a bit twunty though.

I think they're bastards, most of whom could be purged to conserve oxygen. But I do live near Corby (and spent a while in London), so maybe I've not met a representative sample.

And Fass is clearly trying to persuade us that the average Swede is a supercilious wanker. ¬_¬

Every one seems to have a problem with Geordies, but what about Lanky (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MJr9ekTf0xc&mode=related&search=)? And Scousers?

I wasn't really aware of much of a difference to be honest, except the scottish are more violent.

Heh yeah and the Welsh hate everybody else.

I greatly respect soccer hooligans. :)

Sort of like this. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=hKL1TgoxPxc) *shudders*

Thats an Essex accent, only a tiny portion of Britian speak like that.

I mean it's like saying all Americans are slow witted because of the souther drawl. No I'm not saying that Southerners are slow witted, you know wot I mean, so don't come it!

Nothin' against the average Brit I guess.

I reckon we're alright in the main. There are good people, there are wankers. Which is true absolutely everywhere.

Oh and to those who claim we like seaweed - erm... not really a national delicacy, however we like it due to its use in toothpaste.

Seeing as there are roughly 9 dentists in the whole of the UK, and 7 are in London, more toothpaste can only be a good thing.

Deepnds. The average lower/lower middle class Brit? Yes, with a passion. Gruff, barely comprehensible, inarticulate accents that only continue the sense of neanderthalesque stupidity they exude.

I'm with Fass on this. The average Brit is a moron.

Heheh I don't know wether or not to agree with you on this......?

Nope I'll go into defending mode. I read the other day that most well educated people in the world are atheist, and that those who are not so well educated tend more towards irrational belifes.

Now lets us factor in the high number of atheists in Britian, and the decline in the uptake of faith. Lets now look at America and see what these same trends are doing.

Umm it would indicate the opposite of what you say. That most Brits are intelegent, whilst most Americans are morons?

I think I was most suprised by how stupid the French bashing is. I'm not talking about the French jokes, but the actual dislike of the French. I found them very nice people and I have a very good friend who is French. She's really really cool and in general their women are spectacular looking.:p


I totaly agree with you on this one. You realise though that there are centurys of history behind the dislike shown towards each other with the French and the English.

Personaly, I have met loads of French people, and my overall thoughts are that the women are beuatiful, flirtacious and fun, whilst the men, on the whole are quite piggish.

And, for that matter, how sodding irritating most are.
Says someone from Kent...

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Quite a lot of England is just RP but less posh, like in the south east. I admit that northern accents, particularly brummy and geordie are unpleasant, but it gets better the further south you travel.



Recent surveys in the UK have put the Geordie accent as one of the most popular ones. It's felt to be friendly and trustworthy. Oh, and the South East accent is not a version of RP. It's just another local dialect.

I greatly respect soccer hooligans. :)

With all due respect goofballs, thats only because you don't really know any of them.

Recent surveys in the UK have put the Geordie accent as one of the most popular ones. It's felt to be friendly and trustworthy. Oh, and the South East accent is not a version of RP. It's just another local dialect.

Esturian. And geordie is not an accent.

And, for that matter, how sodding irritating most are.

Ohhh I don't know, I love regional accents. Brummie, Bristol, Glaswegian, Georgie, good old London(and yes there is a differance between north and south London), Yorkshire, the Yorkshire accent make you just want to trust that person.

What about in the states? New York vs Texas0 for example. You must have regional diffrances?

Nah. Everyone who lives north of the tyne and south of the tweed are fantastic. The rest of the island might be a bit twunty though.

Make that north of the Tees and you're on.

With all due respect goofballs, thats only because you don't really know any of them.

Perhaps. But from a distance, they entertain me greatly. :)

Make that north of the Tees and you're on.

Do I smell smoggie? Or is it monkey hanger?

Edit: Don't take it the wrong way. Better a monkey hanger that a billion cockneys.

Says someone from Kent...

Do I? Bloody hell, I thought I lived in North Essex....:eek:

Heheh I don't know wether or not to agree with you on this......?

Nope I'll go into defending mode. I read the other day that most well educated people in the world are atheist, and that those who are not so well educated tend more towards irrational belifes.

Now lets us factor in the high number of atheists in Britian, and the decline in the uptake of faith. Lets now look at America and see what these same trends are doing.

Umm it would indicate the opposite of what you say. That most Brits are intelegent, whilst most Americans are morons?

Atheism denotes intelligence, provided one accepts such an axiom, if the atheism is the result of conscious thought and reasoned consideration. I sincerely doubt the great lower class atheist mass in Britain have, for the most part, ever truly considered their role in the cosmos or the existence of the divine. They have simply been raised in a secular paradigm, and worship at the altar of celebrity and materialism as opposed to God, since it is that they are raised with.

Atheism denotes intelligence, provided one accepts such an axiom, if the atheism is the result of conscious thought and reasoned consideration. I sincerely doubt the great lower class atheist mass in Britain have, for the most part, ever truly considered their role in the cosmos or the existence of the divine. They have simply been raised in a secular paradigm, and worship at the altar of celebrity and materialism as opposed to God, since it is that they are raised with.

Ahh then you would be wrong on that supposition.

Let me give you the wisdom of my years.;)

I'm almost 40 years old now, and during my lifetime I have seen a conciouse shift in the minds of the avarage Brit.

In my Grandad's era, religion(meaning either Catholism, or the Anglican church) where big deals. Everybody got baptised or christend, birth out of wedlock was a big nono, and everybody went to church on Sunday.

The after the war when my fathers generation was born, they paid lipservice to religoin. Most of us where baptised or christend, but already the pull of religon was on the wane, and church figures where dropping, seemingly only breeding group for faith was Ireland. But still most of us went to church on Sunday

Now merely a 39 odd years after my birth, the 'troubles' are more or less over, hardly anybody gets baptised or christen, and harldy anybody goes to church on sunday.

We have not grown up under a tradition of secularism, no in my living memory I can say quite the opposite. We have choosen enmass to forgo religoin and God.

The great unwashed masess have rebeled agaisnt the teachings of their forebears, on their own, off their own back, using their own intelect.

Do I? Bloody hell, I thought I lived in North Essex....:eek:

Man thats just another way of saying Great Yarmouth innit?

Man thats just another way of saying Great Yarmouth innit?

Thankfully, no. A disturbingly chav village called Layer-de-la-Haye is where I currently live.

Hideously unfair in my mind. A girl I met recently lives in a village of similar size, but far more "middle class", with people who are not only affable and well spoken, but also with more fashion sense.

Thankfully, no. A disturbingly chav village called Layer-de-la-Haye is where I currently live.

Hideously unfair in my mind. A girl I met recently lives in a village of similar size, but far more "middle class", with people who are not only affable and well spoken, but also with more fashion sense.

Ohh I have heard of that place, 'round these parts we call it the village of the damned!:D

Ohh I have heard of that place, 'round these parts we call it the village of the damned!:D

Where the fuck do you live? I thought you were American?:confused:

Ahh then you would be wrong on that supposition.

Let me give you the wisdom of my years.;)

I'm almost 40 years old now, and during my lifetime I have seen a conciouse shift in the minds of the avarage Brit.

In my Grandad's era, religion(meaning either Catholism, or the Anglican church) where big deals. Everybody got baptised or christend, birth out of wedlock was a big nono, and everybody went to church on Sunday.

The after the war when my fathers generation was born, they paid lipservice to religoin. Most of us where baptised or christend, but already the pull of religon was on the wane, and church figures where dropping, seemingly only breeding group for faith was Ireland. But still most of us went to church on Sunday

Now merely a 39 odd years after my birth, the 'troubles' are more or less over, hardly anybody gets baptised or christen, and harldy anybody goes to church on sunday.

We have not grown up under a tradition of secularism, no in my living memory I can say quite the opposite. We have choosen enmass to forgo religoin and God.

The great unwashed masess have rebeled agaisnt the teachings of their forebears, on their own, off their own back, using their own intelect.

Your generation, perhaps. I cannot contend that the sixties counter culture, and, to a lesser extent, disaffected Thatecherite youth, did not consciously eschew the trappings of previous generation. However, the same is not applicable to those who have grown up since; they lack the education, willingness or, for that matter, intellectual spirit to truly question religion. They have simply been raised in a secular age in which religion is no longer part of the scenery in which their youth is played out.

Where the fuck do you live? I thought you were American?:confused:

Shit no! I'm a Brit, born in Bromley, moved to Manchester, lived in Wigan, reasdied for a while in Blackpool, then down to London where I have been for 30ish years. I sound like a cockney(or South Londoner to be pedantic) with a tad of North thrown in now and again.

Shit no! I'm a Brit, born in Bromley, moved to Manchester, lived in Wigan, reasdied for a while in Blackpool, then down to London where I have been for 30ish years. I sound like a cockney(or South Londoner to be pedantic) with a tad of North thrown in now and again.

Oh right..... learn something new every day and all that.:)

Your generation, perhaps. I cannot contend that the sixties counter culture, and, to a lesser extent, disaffected Thatecherite youth, did not consciously eschew the trappings of previous generation. However, the same is not applicable to those who have grown up since; they lack the education, willingness or, for that matter, intellectual spirit to truly question religion. They have simply been raised in a secular age in which religion is no longer part of the scenery in which their youth is played out.

Ahhh you talk of the youth(or perhaps tha yoof!)then. I really don't know, I know that they are somewhat differant from me when I was one, although I suspect not that much.

Really the only frame of referance I have there are my own kids and my nieces and nepthews.

Is our education system failing our youth? I think so, I saw the signs of rot while I was in it. Perhaps and it does pain me to say it, comprehenshive education was a bad idea.

Do our youth really not have the inclination nor the 'smarts' to quest and question? That is not what I see, I do see signs of intelect around, but I also see unmissed chances from educators.

Do they face the same fears, have the same ambitions, think about the same things? I think so, but they are having their formative years in a differant world form the one that I learnt in.

I used to be able to go fishing when I was 10 years old, by myself(well not quite true) with my little brother, out in the country side of Kent every Sat, get at train all that stuff. I'm not sure if that is possible anymore with children, or wether we adults just think it is not possible.

So our fault, or the fault of the youth?



Gahhh went off on strange tangent again!:eek:

I like everyone so long as they're not a useless git. ;)


I love anyone who can drink, love, and drink some more. :)

I sure do like the average Brit. What's not t' like abou' 'em, yeah?

They got their tea n' there fish n' chips n' their funny accents.

I mean, you're all like that guy from the Lonely Planet videos, right?

Do I? Bloody hell, I thought I lived in North Essex....:eek:
1) You certainly seem like someone from Kent

2) This makes your accent possibly worse. Yet having not heard you talk, I guess it'd be jumping to conclusions and all that.

I like everyone so long as they're not a useless git. ;)

LOL!!! You got that right! :D

1) You certainly seem like someone from Kent

2) This makes your accent possibly worse. Yet having not heard you talk, I guess it'd be jumping to conclusions and all that.

What happened to the old Yootopia?

sorry...just wondering :)

I sure do like the average Brit. What's not t' like abou' 'em, yeah?

They got their tea n' there fish n' chips n' their funny accents.

I mean, you're all like that guy from the Lonely Planet videos, right?
Absolutely correct.
What happened to the old Yootopia?

sorry...just wondering :)
He auto logs-in as Splintered Yootopia, and is a bit lazy, hence hardly ever posts as proper Yootopia any more, although will do so more if you so wish.

Absolutely correct.

He auto logs-in as Splintered Yootopia, and is a bit lazy, hence hardly ever posts as proper Yootopia any more, although will do so more if you so wish.

Splintered sounds like fun...!

Splintered sounds like fun...!
It is if you're rich, but that's about it. I was going to RP with it, but then I looked at the RP forums and immediately thought "how's about fuck that".

So I'm using it as a Super Handy Second NSG Account For If/When I Am Banned.

It is if you're rich, but that's about it. I was going to RP with it, but then I looked at the RP forums and immediately thought "how's about fuck that".

So I'm using it as a Super Handy Second NSG Account For If/When I Am Banned.

I hear you re the RP forums...its like...fuck me...I have hardly time to post here in NSG let alone create some kind of bizarre military fantasy world down to the littlest detail of ship design and even hand weapons! Fuck me! I mean...fair play and all but...wtf????

I'm English, and voted for "I hate the U.K." because I'm a devolutionist :p :D

I'm English, and voted for "I hate the U.K." because I'm a devolutionist :p :D

And you live in Coventry....

Whats wrong with people from Kent?? lol
And im 15, so i suppose i'm the youth and not many people follow religion. Some people i know arent baptised or anything, and only a few go to church on a sunday. I would say that many people don't think religion is important anymore. However I dont know where my opinion lies on religion.

Whats wrong with people from Kent?? lol
Thank you for instantly pointing out all that is wrong with Kent.

See also the fact that a lot of people there are terribly racist and mostly fairly in-bred.
And im 15, so i suppose i'm the youth
Erm not really sure what this changes, to be honest.
and not many people follow religion. Some people i know arent baptised or anything, and only a few go to church on a sunday. I would say that many people don't think religion is important anymore.
This makes no odds to me.
However I dont know where my opinion lies on religion.
Fair enough.

I'm from the UK. I don't feel safe leaving the house. Ever since Thatcher, this country's been sliding down the shitter.

I'm from the UK. I don't feel safe leaving the house. Ever since Thatcher, this country's been sliding down the shitter.

LOL!

I'm from the UK. I don't feel safe leaving the house. Ever since Thatcher, this country's been sliding down the shitter.
Well hello there, Piers Morgan!

I hate that **** as well =D


I'm from the North though, I'm allowed to hate Thatcher.

I'm also fourteen, and I'm a 'weirdo', which I feel adequately explains my fear of British youth.

I'm English, and voted for "I hate the U.K." because I'm a devolutionist :p :D
As in a Scottish-style English Parliament, or outright independence?

Do I? Bloody hell, I thought I lived in North Essex....:eek:
In other words, the nice half. Although pretty much everything rates well against anything south of the A127.:p

I'm from the North, I'm allowed to hate Thatcher.
Erm aye, I think everyone's allowed to hate Thatcher, to be honest.

No ban south and east of the Tees-Exe line as far as I'm aware. You just sounded like a bit of an old man in your post to be honest, and I thought that you meant post-Thatcher.
I'm also fourteen, and I'm a 'weirdo', which I feel adequately explains my fear of British youth.
Bonsoir, I'm 17 and from York.

Incidentally, don't be scared, they're not going to hurt you ;)

Incidentally, don't be scared, they're not going to hurt you ;)

That's only because they've already used up all their rocks on me =D

Erm aye, I think everyone's allowed to hate Thatcher, to be honest.


Not if you're 14.

Not if you're 14.

Not even when you're surrounded by what she destroyed?
Fair enough...

Not even when you're surrounded by what she destroyed?
Fair enough...

Possibly, depends how much it actually affects you. What did she destroy near you?

Not if you're 14.
*shrugs*

If you actually know the context of it, I suppose you're allowed to. But aye, it's a bit different from actually living through the whole thing.

As a victim of Thatcher for a whole 11 months exactly, I don't feel that I could confidently talk about the whole thing, to be honest.
That's only because they've already used up all their rocks on me =D
...

*shrugs*

If you actually know the context of it, I suppose you're allowed to. But aye, it's a bit different from actually living through the whole thing.

As a victim of Thatcher for a whole 11 months exactly, I don't feel that I could confidently talk about the whole thing, to be honest.

...

:wave:

I had the joy of being in my teens to my mid twenties while she was in power.

Bitch can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.

:wave:

I had the joy of being in my teens to my mid twenties while she was in power.

Bitch can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.

Was born and grew up during her administration. Closed down my Grandpa's factory and transferred the work to a more marginal constituency to get votes...then closed their factory down after they voted for her. Bitch.

Around me, she's destroyed Liverpool. A bit further out, she's destroyed Lancashire, Manchester, the rest of the North. I feel I have enough knowledge to hate her as I do.

The rock comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek. It hasn't happened in three weeks (summer holidays), and I find it all quite amusing, as I rarely get seriously injured.

A lot of my family has been affected by what Thatcher did, and I'm still getting a lot of the backlash. I plan to cheer the day she dies, and there's a good chance of a party.

Around me, she's destroyed Liverpool. A bit further out, she's destroyed Lancashire, Manchester, the rest of the North. I feel I have enough knowledge to hate her as I do.

The rock comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek. It hasn't happened in three weeks (summer holidays), and I find it all quite amusing, as I rarely get seriously injured.

A lot of my family has been affected by what Thatcher did, and I'm still getting a lot of the backlash. I plan to cheer the day she dies, and there's a good chance of a party.

Can you be a little more specific? It could be complete sensationalist bullshit that you are talking about.

I mean that almost everybody in my family has been struggling to get jobs for decades, and that most places I know are dilapidated wrecks, the blame of which I primarily rest on Thatcher.

1) You certainly seem like someone from Kent

2) This makes your accent possibly worse. Yet having not heard you talk, I guess it'd be jumping to conclusions and all that.

Never fear, I don't have even a trace of an Essex accent. Incidentally, North Essex bloody well is not the nice half; only the small villages, Maldon, and market towns near Suffolk and Cambridgeshire are tolerable.... jesus christ I didn't think I was so middle class....:eek:

Incidentally, to the generic self-pitying scouser;

-firstly, I have the smallest violin in the world, playing just for you....:)

-secondly, it's Liverpool; nobody who isn't scouse gives a flying fuck.

-thirdly, Thatcher did what was necessary. The alternative to moneterism was a perpetuation of Union rule, repetition of the "winter of discontent" upon a light worsening in the economic climate, and the increasingly exacting subsidisation of failing, uncompetetive industries, the burden of which would have fallen upon the middle and upper classes, and those businesses that were profitable. Consider yourself, your family and Liverpool unwilling sacrifice victims for the betterment of Britain; if that is not great consolation, I suppose you could get some qualifications, relocate when able to do so and stop moaning.

*Has collected the whole set.

;)

All the poms I've met have been decent folk.

Thank you for instantly pointing out all that is wrong with Kent.

See also the fact that a lot of people there are terribly racist and mostly fairly in-bred.

Erm not really sure what this changes, to be honest.

This makes no odds to me.

Fair enough.

I belive he was answering my umm tangent posting about youth and religoin.

Not if you're 14.

Ohh I don't know, my oldest is 14, and he has been brainwashe... errr progra...., I mean he seems to hate Thatcher.

A lot of my family has been affected by what Thatcher did, and I'm still getting a lot of the backlash. I plan to cheer the day she dies, and there's a good chance of a party.

You are not it seems the only one!

-thirdly, Thatcher did what was necessary. The alternative to moneterism was a perpetuation of Union rule, repetition of the "winter of discontent" upon a light worsening in the economic climate, and the increasingly exacting subsidisation of failing, uncompetetive industries, the burden of which would have fallen upon the middle and upper classes, and those businesses that were profitable. Consider yourself, your family and Liverpool unwilling sacrifice victims for the betterment of Britain; if that is not great consolation, I suppose you could get some qualifications, relocate when able to do so and stop moaning.

Actually, what Thatcher did was destroy British mining and manufacturing and to privatise the majority of public services which has lead to a reduction in services and service quality (in most industries).
As for the Unions, it is true that something needed doing but the way she went about it reduced the power of the Unions to such an extent that many companies were able to pay their workers such low wages that it removed their ability to "relocate and stop moaning". This has only recently been rectified by the introduction of a minimum wage (which, shock horror, didn't bring about the mass unemployment predicted by many Conservatives and the hardline capitalists).
I would also point out that "the betterment of Britain" should maybe be more limited to "the betterment of the South" or, better yet "the betterment of the South-East" or perhaps even more precisely "the betterment of the Greater London area"?

I was quite offended that I don't count, but after reading most posts... I am quite glad I don't!

I don't mind the average Brit...

What the hell is an 'average' Brit?

I like lots of British people. I dislike lots of them. They are all different people with different lives and different interests.

Tell me what is 'average' and I'll tell you if I like them.

But oh, so infinitely more interesting, sociable and hot. The English can be very limey, indeed. And whiny. And dress horribly. And have horrible white-trash accents. And they're fucking assholes when abroad.
Swedish people are renowned for being boring and crap. Your country is so crap it boasts one of the highest suicide rates in the world.

Don't talk utter crap about my people and I won't do the same about yours. Although god you people are boring.. get a sense of humour.. think I've come across about 2 out of 2000 swedes who have a sense of humour.

Swedish people are renowned for being boring and crap. Your country is so crap it boasts one of the highest suicide rates in the world.

Don't talk utter crap about my people and I won't do the same about yours. Although god you people are boring.. get a sense of humour.. think I've come across about 2 out of 2000 swedes who have a sense of humour.

Bwhahah. Please don't count me in as one of 'your people' isn't it ironic that you tell him to get a sense of humour but you seem not to have one yourself?

Plus we're probably hitting the stage theres more emo retards than chavs, especially where I live...

Too bad the chav retards are louder and beat the other retards up... :rolleyes:

Bwhahah. Please don't count me in as one of 'your people' isn't it ironic that you tell him to get a sense of humour but you seem not to have one yourself?
I didn't even mention anything remotely to do with you.

The guys comments were intended to be offensive not humorous.

And Fass is clearly trying to persuade us that the average Swede is a supercilious wanker. ¬_¬

Well they are. :p

(Love to hate thy neighbour and all that - take no heed of me ye good folks of Sweden. ;))

I didn't even mention anything remotely to do with you.

The guys comments were intended to be offensive not humorous.

Hey up, I'm English so when you said 'My people' you did indeed referance me.

He said:

'The English can be very limey, indeed. And whiny. And dress horribly. And have horrible white-trash accents. And they're fucking assholes when abroad.'

All of which may well be insulting, but all of which is also true. What I find funny though is this outrage that you show, over a few really minor attacks on the charector of people who just happen to share their country of origin with you.

Not you personaly, but others born in the same place. All of this misplaced anger, for what, pride in your nation? Bwahah even the very words make me laugh.

Hey up, I'm English so when you said 'My people' you did indeed referance me.

He said:

'The English can be very limey, indeed. And whiny. And dress horribly. And have horrible white-trash accents. And they're fucking assholes when abroad.'

All of which may well be insulting, but all of which is also true. What I find funny though is this outrage that you show, over a few really minor attacks on the charector of people who just happen to share their country of origin with you.

Not you personaly, but others born in the same place. All of this misplaced anger, for what, pride in your nation? Bwahah even the very words make me laugh.
It's not true.. and if you indeed are English you are a pathetic waste of space and a traitor. (Bring on the flames from all the anti-patriotic communist brigade :rolleyes: .. which this forum is full of).

It's not true.. and if you indeed are English you are a pathetic waste of space and a traitor.

Did you mayhaps fail to notice the words "can be"? He didn't say all English folks are like that, just that English people _can be_ like that. :cool:

It's not true.. and if you indeed are English you are a pathetic waste of space and a traitor. (Bring on the flames from all the anti-patriotic communist brigade :rolleyes: .. which this forum is full of).


So whats not true that we don't whine? Isn't that exactly what you are doing now? Or that we don't act like arseholes abroad? I just come back from Prague, all of the Brits I met out there where indeed drunken wankers.

What is rational or intelegent about pride in ones nation? Espeacily pride to such a point that a few words stirs anger and hatred towards another person? Do you not see how unscupulous people can use this pride to get you to do their dirty work, now that really is pathetic.

Traitor? To what?

But oh, so infinitely more interesting, sociable and hot. The English can be very limey, indeed. And whiny. And dress horribly. And have horrible white-trash accents. And they're fucking assholes when abroad.

Dress Horribly; given the sartorial sense of the British working class, I'm inclined to agree. I happen to dress awesomely, thank you for asking, but then, it's subjective.

Assholes when abroad; once more, a criticism one might direct more at the working class than upper and middle classes, but nonetheless valid.

Whiny; I shouldn't think we are a nation of moaners, but yes, Liverpool does moan a lot.:)

Limey; not a clue. I'd try using terms people are familiar with.

White-trash accents; Again, for the most part, correct. Any accent from London, Essex (I don't have an Essex accent, thankfully), Liverpool, Newcastle, Birmingham or, for that matter, anywhere barring Suffolk, Somerset and the Home Counties, is awful to listen to.


I'm as much a patriot, indeed a nationalist, as anybody, I simply dislike the majority of modern Brits.

Dress Horribly; given the sartorial sense of the British working class, I'm inclined to agree. I happen to dress awesomely, thank you for asking, but then, it's subjective.

Assholes when abroad; once more, a criticism one might direct more at the working class than upper and middle classes, but nonetheless valid.

Whiny; I shouldn't think we are a nation of moaners, but yes, Liverpool does moan a lot.:)

Limey; not a clue. I'd try using terms people are familiar with.

White-trash accents; Again, for the most part, correct. Any accent from London, Essex (I don't have an Essex accent, thankfully), Liverpool, Newcastle, Birmingham or, for that matter, anywhere barring Suffolk, Somerset and the Home Counties, is awful to listen to.


I'm as much a patriot, indeed a nationalist, as anybody, I simply dislike the majority of modern Brits.

Home Rule For The Home Counties!



So the scabrous gits can leave the rest of us alone :-p</jk>

So whats not true that we don't whine? Isn't that exactly what you are doing now? Or that we don't act like arseholes abroad? I just come back from Prague, all of the Brits I met out there where indeed drunken wankers.

What is rational or intelegent about pride in ones nation? Espeacily pride to such a point that a few words stirs anger and hatred towards another person? Do you not see how unscupulous people can use this pride to get you to do their dirty work, now that really is pathetic.

Traitor? To what?
Traitor to your country.

National pride is pride in ones culture and country's historical achievements.. it's normal to have that, you know?

There's a difference between whining and arguing.

We don't dress bad. We don't all have white-trash style accents like Vicky fucking Pollard.. and most of us aren't idiots abroad. There's a minority that are drunken and idiotic that's true.. but they are a small proportion.

I'd like to believe you aren't English.. just some bigot who dislikes English people and is cleverly posing as one to back-up anti-English views. Seen it done before.

Don't judge people based on a minority.

Or that we don't act like arseholes abroad? I just come back from Prague, all of the Brits I met out there where indeed drunken wankers.


Ahh Prague, the beautiful "golden city" with its wonderful historic centre.

Currently being ruined by Brits on "stag weekends" who are bouying up the local sex trafficking trade and are causing the embassy staff to work overtime due to getting into pissed up scrapes and japes (and trouble) whilst there.


Truely, Englishness is next to godliness :p

(btw, I'm a Brit, just annoyed at our reputation abroad)

Traitor to your country.

National pride is pride in ones culture and country's historical achievements.. it's normal to have that, you know?

There's a difference between whining and arguing.

We don't dress bad. We don't all have white-trash style accents like Vicky fucking Pollard.. and most of us aren't idiots abroad. There's a minority that are drunken and idiotic that's true.. but they are a small proportion.

I'd like to believe you aren't English.. just some bigot who dislikes English people and is cleverly posing as one to back-up anti-English views. Seen it done before.

Don't judge people based on a minority.

Again I'll say bwahahaha.

Look first off the whole topic is setup so that inveriably we will be taking about stereotypes. which we all know are not indicitive of whole groups, but narrow in on the bad parts of said group.

In other words by the very nature of the topic here, it is going to be irkesome to a certian(you) type, and knowing this, that certian(you) type would be better off ignoring the whole topic.

Rest asured I am British, English in fact, and a Londoner to boot.

You say that National Pride is normal, I say that it is unthinking, irrational codswhollap, unless can you show me why I should be proud of my county?

I also say that such unthinking, irrational, codswhollap is dangerous, as you have so aptly shown us, in that it makes certian(you) types go all red and start shouting over what? Over nothing.

Paah national pride, stupidity.

Ahh Prague, the beautiful "golden city" with its wonderful historic centre.

Currently being ruined by Brits on "stag weekends" who are bouying up the local sex trafficking trade and are causing the embassy staff to work overtime due to getting into pissed up scrapes and japes (and trouble) whilst there.


Truely, Englishness is next to godliness :p

(btw, I'm a Brit, just annoyed at our reputation abroad)

Indeed and it was a beutifull city. I had the misfortune to meet up with some squadies while I was there. Fuck me, they couldn't goad me into fighting them, so they went out and started on the locals instead.

And these people are responsible for our saftely, and represent our armed forces overseas? No bloody wonder we are hated.

Again I'll say bwahahaha.

Look first off the whole topic is setup so that inveriably we will be taking about stereotypes. which we all know are not indicitive of whole groups, but narrow in on the bad parts of said group.

In other words by the very nature of the topic here, it is going to be irkesome to a certian(you) type, and knowing this, that certian(you) type would be better off ignoring the whole topic.

Rest asured I am British, English in fact, and a Londoner to boot.

You say that National Pride is normal, I say that it is unthinking, irrational codswhollap, unless can you show me why I should be proud of my county?

I also say that such unthinking, irrational, codswhollap is dangerous, as you have so aptly shown us, in that it makes certian(you) types go all red and start shouting over what? Over nothing.

Paah national pride, stupidity.
Yeah bwhahahaha, you trying to live up to the snotty stereotype as well?

I'm not going to show you why you should be proud.. I've already explained what is to be proud of in my previous post.

I wasn't pissed off over nothing.. he was making bullshit comments that were designed to offend, and they did.

You're the kind of loser that didn't want the Olympics in London because it "costs too much".. aren't you?

Yeah bwhahahaha, you trying to live up to the snotty stereotype as well?

I'm not going to show you why you should be proud.. I've already explained what is to be proud of in my previous post.

I wasn't pissed off over nothing.. he was making bullshit comments that were designed to offend, and they did.

You're the kind of loser that didn't want the Olympics in London because it "costs too much".. aren't you?

Of course, there's lots of things to be proud of, let's see: the slave trade, colonisation and exploitation of various parts of the world, the Israel-Palestinian problem....

And you need to get to know Fass better, he revels in the kind of replies you are posting.

You're the kind of loser that didn't want the Olympics in London because it "costs too much".. aren't you?

Dunno about that for a reason, but not wanting the Olympics in the UK because everything will go horribly wrong Wembly-stadium-stylee is a much better reason for wishing Paris had won in my opinion...

With regards to the British, the average person is fairly decent, earns about £28K a year, and struggles to survive the housing market. Probably has a large debt and borrows to keep afloat, is a social democrat with leftist leanings (check the voting record - not governments in power, but the proportion of votes; the majority of Britons voted centre-left and Labour from 1945 onwards), probably reads a newspaper (most likely to be The Sun - highest circulation of any paper in the UK), and, like most people, perfectly bearable.

Unfortunately, our finest export is, as it has always been, that of drunken violence. Hell, we built an Empire on the back of drunken violence.

Yeah bwhahahaha, you trying to live up to the snotty stereotype as well?

I'm not going to show you why you should be proud.. I've already explained what is to be proud of in my previous post.

I wasn't pissed off over nothing.. he was making bullshit comments that were designed to offend, and they did.

You're the kind of loser that didn't want the Olympics in London because it "costs too much".. aren't you?

No you havn't shown me why we should be proud, you mentioned our achivments, but you pointed out nothing.

You got pissed off because he made some stupid sterotypes remarks in a thread in which stupid sterotype remarks are going to happen. Look at the title, and you can see that.

My amusment comes because anybody can see what was bound to happen in this thread, and you choose to not only participate but get anyoned when the enivitable happens, just go to anoter thread, post elswhere, don't read these insulting things if you are going to get insulted by them. To get all Tommy Cooper on ya 'Heat, kitchen, kitchen heat'


Actualy I can't wait for the olympics, I thing it will be very, very good for London, and I am certianly prepared to pay my poll tax for the privalige.

Don't get my lack of national pride get mixed up with hatred of where I live. I certianly don't hate London, nor the UK, I just don't understand why I should be automaticaly proud of where I was born.

And you need to get to know Fass better, he revels in the kind of replies you are posting.

Fass doesn't revel in anything; he's just an automatic posting robot, sent by the Bush administration to spy on the forums.

Didn't you know?

Fass doesn't revel in anything; he's just an automatic posting robot, sent by the Bush administration to spy on the forums.

Didn't you know?

:p

What on earth is British English?

Theres English as spoken in the UK and theres a whole load of dialects from other English speaking countries =)

Theres English as spoken in the UK

Yes. This is what we call 'English'. Not British English, Bringlish, NewSpeak, or "not foreign", but simply... English.

Yes. This is what we call 'English'. Not British English, Bringlish, NewSpeak, or "not foreign", but simply... English.

Yes but to distiguish if from the type of English written in Amrerica it is known world wide as British English.

Of course, there's lots of things to be proud of, let's see: the slave trade, colonisation and exploitation of various parts of the world, the Israel-Palestinian problem....

And you need to get to know Fass better, he revels in the kind of replies you are posting.
You're another one.

We've done many things for the world some good some bad.. focus on the good. Contributions to science, literature, music.. great achievements in battle.

I'm proud of the good bits in our culture.. our sense of humour and grit amongst things.

Try focus on the good? People talking shit about English people does annoy me.. cos I'm sick of it.

Yes but to distiguish if from the type of English written in Amrerica it is known world wide as British English.

Gah!

To distinguish it from American English it is known as English. Without the preceding qualifier 'American', you see?

Gah!

To distinguish it from American English it is known as English. Without the preceding qualifier 'American', you see?

Are you on a PC or a Mac?

You're another one.

We've done many things for the world some good some bad.. focus on the good. Contributions to science, literature, music.. great achievements in battle.

I'm proud of the good bits in our culture.. our sense of humour and grit amongst things.

Try focus on the good? People talking shit about English people does annoy me.. cos I'm sick of it.
Can't expect everyone to like us, though. Although I try not to judge people based on what country they are from, not everybody thinks that way, unfortunately, and will judge Britain based on, instead of personal knowledge and experience, our history and politics. Don't let it get to you. Same with criticism of our own country - in a free, democratic and pluralist society, which we claim to be - we have a right, and in my opinion a duty, to criticise it and work towards its advancement, rather than simply accepting historical revisionism.

i'm a brit, and i like my country. i wouldn't go so far as to say i'm patriotic, but i'm proud of many aspects of this society, economy and government. there are many, many things i'd change though. i'm also not one to draw arbitary lines between people, and want to see more integration with our neighbours accross the Channel.


am i an average Brit? i don't think so.... i'm white, so yeah there. but i don't read any of the highest circulating papers. i hardly watch TV. i drive a French car. i pretty much live closer to Paris than i do to London. i'm half German by descent. i attended private schools all my life and was part of the c.40% of school leavers (these days) to attend University. i work in a family business, in the service sector. i'm overweight. i'm in debt, but not yet with a mortgage (i'm part of the increasing number of young people who can't afford to buy). i wear glasses. my political leaning is decidedly left-wing. i hate the Tory party. i use and love the NHS. i work in the #1 place to live in the country (Winchester, as voted for in some BBC thing), yet live in a poor city... in one of the richest neighbourhoods. i talk "proper english" (basically no accent), have an IQ above average, but am on about average (or just above average) wages...

am i average? i don't feel i am, but who knows? do i conform to that pervasive stereotype of 'a British person'?

I'm British and i can't say i particularly like Britain but as for the people some are ok but i hate chavs and Benefit thieves.

I hate the UK. LONG LIVE IRELAND!!

Pfff Irelands air smells to clean in comparison.

You're another one.

We've done many things for the world some good some bad.. focus on the good. Contributions to science, literature, music.. great achievements in battle.

I'm proud of the good bits in our culture.. our sense of humour and grit amongst things.

Try focus on the good? People talking shit about English people does annoy me.. cos I'm sick of it.

A what? Another 'traitor' perhaps?

No, that's not a very good word to describe me. A 'traitor' is someone who actively undermines the society/group. I have much criticism for the government and our past, but am not an anarchist.

I look at both sides of the culture, there have been some great people here and some real tossers, some great achievements and some right fuck ups, but to celebrate everything about this country to the exclusion of all else (and not be able to take any criticism about this 'sacred' place), for the sole reason that you happened to be born here, is, to me, ludicrous.

A what? Another 'traitor' perhaps?

No, that's not a very good word to describe me. A 'traitor' is someone who actively undermines the society/group. I have much criticism for the government and our past, but am not an anarchist.

I look at both sides of the culture, there have been some great people here and some real tossers, some great achievements and some right fuck ups, but to celebrate everything about this country to the exclusion of all else (and not be able to take any criticism about this 'sacred' place), for the sole reason that you happened to be born here, is, to me, ludicrous.
It is.

I don't advocate blind patriotism. You can take criticism of your country and still have national pride. This country has done some truly terrible things in the past and I acknowledge that. But I'm not gonna be a loser who wallows in moaning about their own country and denouncing any patriotism when there's lots of things to be proud of too. As I said people talking nonsense about English people annoys me.. you can criticize all you want as long as it is true and fair.

It is.

I don't advocate blind patriotism. You can take criticism of your country and still have national pride. This country has done some truly terrible things in the past and I acknowledge that. But I'm not gonna be a loser who wallows in moaning about their own country and denouncing any patriotism when there's lots of things to be proud of too. As I said people talking nonsense about English people annoys me.. you can criticize all you want as long as it is true and fair.

The implicit insult is charming but unnecessary. Some people don't feel there is any necessity to be proud of a country, or any other group, especially if they did not choose to be part of it. They see patriotism as only creating a 'us or them' mentality that they don't see as a good thing.

To be fair, most of their criticism is correct for minority groups that are vocal and obvious. I don't really find stereotypes insulting as in all cases they are generalised and rarely apply to me, they are a byproduct of our capacity to try to find patterns in everything. And also, I don't care what they may think to be true. Their opinion is inconsequential to me.

Actually, what Thatcher did was destroy British mining and manufacturing and to privatise the majority of public services which has lead to a reduction in services and service quality (in most industries).
As for the Unions, it is true that something needed doing but the way she went about it reduced the power of the Unions to such an extent that many companies were able to pay their workers such low wages that it removed their ability to "relocate and stop moaning". This has only recently been rectified by the introduction of a minimum wage (which, shock horror, didn't bring about the mass unemployment predicted by many Conservatives and the hardline capitalists).
I would also point out that "the betterment of Britain" should maybe be more limited to "the betterment of the South" or, better yet "the betterment of the South-East" or perhaps even more precisely "the betterment of the Greater London area"?


Do you genuinely suggest that, but for Thatcher, the good old days of a prosperous, industrial North, down pit and all that, would be a reality? Industry was a moribund, uncompetitive, unprofitable drain upon the state in 1979, requiring ever greater subsidies to preserve jobs that simply should not exist in a competitive world.

In any case, public services under Labour are, and have never been, any better. The NHS is, was, and always will be, a vast, impersonal beaurocratic monolith in which the individual is subsumed by the an uncaring management.

The North was, as would be evident if you actually considered the issue for a moment, doomed long before Thatcher. The decline of industry, and hence of the north, was an inevitability; why stand in the way of competition?

Swedish people are renowned for being boring and crap.

Ingmar Bergman did make an art of it.

Your country is so crap it boasts one of the highest suicide rates in the world.

Actually, Sweden's suicide rates are quite average and aren't even close to being "highest in the world". Did I mention the English were good at pulling statistical "facts" out of their asses? Oh, right, I didn't, so it must just be you... but anyhoo, please do attempt to insult Sweden and think I'd care - it's always fun in that sad way when people think I do - but this is a thread about the British and their stereotypes.

Don't talk utter crap about my people and I won't do the same about yours.

Or, how's about I "talk crap", i.e. the truth of my opinion that was asked of me in the OP, about anyone I want and do so while not giving a shit about your precious little sensibilities, you delicate little flower you? Yeah, I prefer that much more.

Although god you people are boring.. get a sense of humour.. think I've come across about 2 out of 2000 swedes who have a sense of humour.

Lucky you.

Do you genuinely suggest that, but for Thatcher, the good old days of a prosperous, industrial North, down pit and all that, would be a reality? Industry was a moribund, uncompetitive, unprofitable drain upon the state in 1979, requiring ever greater subsidies to preserve jobs that simply should not exist in a competitive world.


The way people act, you'd think the jarrow march happened in 1981. A great deal of the heavy industry in the north (and in fact british industry in general) had been circling the drain since before WWII. Regardless of who won the 1979 general election, the consett steel works would still be closed today.

You're another one.

We've done many things for the world some good some bad.. focus on the good.

Yeah, focus on the good Extreme Ironing.

Lets pretend the bad stuff never happened :rolleyes:

Try focus on the good? People talking shit about English people does annoy me.. cos I'm sick of it.


Really? I thought self-deprecation was one of our most endearing qualities ;)

Do you genuinely suggest that, but for Thatcher, the good old days of a prosperous, industrial North, down pit and all that, would be a reality? Industry was a moribund, uncompetitive, unprofitable drain upon the state in 1979, requiring ever greater subsidies to preserve jobs that simply should not exist in a competitive world.

In any case, public services under Labour are, and have never been, any better. The NHS is, was, and always will be, a vast, impersonal beaurocratic monolith in which the individual is subsumed by the an uncaring management.

The North was, as would be evident if you actually considered the issue for a moment, doomed long before Thatcher. The decline of industry, and hence of the north, was an inevitability; why stand in the way of competition?

No, nor did I suggest such a thing (although we do not live in a competitive world. Our markets might be open to anyone who wants to try their hand, but the markets in other Countries are closed through barriers so we don't have a competitive market in which to compete, hence why so much industry has closed). But what Thatcher did was accelerate the death of those industries, through her policies, rather than allowing a gradual decline of those industries over time by reducing subsidies (to those industries that received them, which was not all) and playing a less political game with manufacturing (transferring production from one facility that was in a Labour voting area to one one in a marginal constituency in order to gain votes before closing both down even though the first had better production values and was operating at a profit, unlike the latter (Shildon and Swindon)).
As for standing in the way of competition, freeing up many of those markets has not led to improvements in those services, rather their decline so how did that improve anything? (case-in-point the transport network)

As for the NHS, sadly you're right that its got the most funding its had in decades, but improving it is simple. Reduce the number of managers, bring cleaning back under the public sector rather than putting it out to tender so the NHS has control again, give Doctors more control, and reduce the amount of things the NHS does (it should not provide, for example, unnecessary plastic surgery). Sadly what it needs is a bit of TLC and people who actually have knowledge of the health industry to operate it rather than leaving it in the hands of politicians and economists.

Really? I thought self-deprecation was one of our most endearing qualities ;)

That is indeed one of the things I like best about us!

That is indeed one of the things I like best about us!

I don't think we should make such a big thing out of being self-deprecating.

I don't think we should make such a big thing out of being self-deprecating.

Why not? It shows a lack of ego and herd mentality.

Are you on a PC or a Mac?

Laptop. :p And no, it's not an Apple (spits).

I am British and I speak English. If I was an American, I would speak American English and know that Britons speak English without any qualifiers.

With regards to the Thatcher debate...

Thatcher's a mad old bat who I hope dies slowly, but soon - I would like to be alive to go to the parties. :D I do not subscribe to the right-wing economists' view that all of British industry was and is uncompetative and needed to be destroyed, nor do I agree with her decimation of the union movement, nor do I think that she aided this country in any way at all. Tory rule fucked Britain over good and proper, and B.Liar's Neue Arbeit Partai has, frankly, done little to reverse the destruction caused by the Tory party of Thatcher and Major. I have little faith in the Dear Leader Broon, either, but by all the deities he's a better prospect than that bastard Cameron.

I think I might be an average Brit. That said, my patriotism extends as far as enjoying our supposedly bland cuisine and missing the homeland after a few weeks abroad, so maybe not.

Well, according to this thread, I'm not an average Brit :D

tbh, I don't get the whole "omg!!1 cant b prowd of joo country cos that makes u teh ebil raysist!!!!!11+1!" thing... I'm proud of what my country has achieved, and am grateful for being born here. Does that make me a racist?

And what up with the Brit bashin'? Most ppl i meet are pleasant people. Of course you get the mini gangstas and the Chavs, but they aren't gonna end up anyplace of any importance on the social ladder anyway, so who cares?

i drive a French car.

:mad:
;)

Deepnds. The average lower/lower middle class Brit? Yes, with a passion. Gruff, barely comprehensible, inarticulate accents that only continue the sense of neanderthalesque stupidity they exude.

I'm with Fass on this. The average Brit is a moron.

Yuh-huh. I believe I qualify as the average "lower-class" Brit, and that is all bunk. I'm planning to study for a Masters in Chemistry, so if that makes me neanderthalesque, then heck knows what it makes the rest of the country.

Not to mention that I'm rather fiercely patriotic, and, like those before me, am immensely proud of many of the things my country has done. Like every empire, it's had its bad spots and dodgy bits, but the good outweighs the bad by far.

It really does get my goat when people make such sweeping generalizations of us because you've spent a bit too much time on YouTube than you oughta. We're not all BNP supporters, you know.

Yuh-huh. I believe I qualify as the average "lower-class" Brit, and that is all bunk. I'm planning to study for a Masters in Chemistry, so if that makes me neanderthalesque, then heck knows what it makes the rest of the country.

Not to mention that I'm rather fiercely patriotic, and, like those before me, am immensely proud of many of the things my country has done. Like every empire, it's had its bad spots and dodgy bits, but the good outweighs the bad by far.

It really does get my goat when people make such sweeping generalizations of us because you've spent a bit too much time on YouTube than you oughta. We're not all BNP supporters, you know.


I've probably got a better, and more interesting, social life than you. I go on the likes of YouTube only when prompted or linked to do so.

In any case, how can you be an "average" Brit and study for chemistry masters? Did it occur to you that only 40% of current school leavers progress to sit a degree, hence, if one considers the exponential increase in university admission under Labour, you are far from the "average" Brit.

Well, according to this thread, I'm not an average Brit :D

tbh, I don't get the whole "omg!!1 cant b prowd of joo country cos that makes u teh ebil raysist!!!!!11+1!" thing... I'm proud of what my country has achieved, and am grateful for being born here. Does that make me a racist?

And what up with the Brit bashin'? Most ppl i meet are pleasant people. Of course you get the mini gangstas and the Chavs, but they aren't gonna end up anyplace of any importance on the social ladder anyway, so who cares?

Heh like I told that other person who complained of Brit bashing. You have decided to participate in a thread who's very title tells you that you will encounter sterotypes. If ya don't want to see, it goto another thread.

I don't think being patriotic makes you racist, and in truth I don't think anybody actualy belives that. Personaly I just don't see the need to be automaticaly patriotic, I don't hate my country, but I feel no special love for it either, it's just where I live.

I've probably got a better, and more interesting, social life than you. I go on the likes of YouTube only when prompted or linked to do so.

In any case, how can you be an "average" Brit and study for chemistry masters? Did it occur to you that only 40% of current school leavers progress to sit a degree, hence, if one considers the exponential increase in university admission under Labour, you are far from the "average" Brit.

Not to mention that the uptake of science degrees, like IT degree's has slowed over the past few years. Congrates, you are not an avarage Brit!

I've probably got a better, and more interesting, social life than you.


ME-OW!

Kitty got claws.

Congrates, you are not an avarage Brit!

The average Briton has one testicle



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ME-OW!

Kitty got claws.

fight fight fight fight!

The average Briton has one testicle



;)

That is true, but it's bloody huge!:D