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Though I know many still respect the average American, but do you still like Americans in general?

Where do the Canadians vote? lol?

I was in Denmark just three months ago. People still liked me alright.

P.S.: I like me.

What's an average American?

What's an average American?

That's really going to be the problem, is what do you consider the 'average American' to be. Good luck on settling that...

That's really going to be the problem, is what do you consider the 'average American' to be. Good luck on settling that...

I just wanted to know if I was an average 'merikin. =(

I just wanted to know if I was an average 'merikin. =(

You're not an average anything.

What's an average American?

I hope nothing like those geriatic US tourists which invade my city during tourist season.

I hope nothing like those geriatic US tourists which invade my city during tourist season.I also hope that you are unlike the average European back packer that tries to lecture me when I commute for a day's adventure in the city.:rolleyes:

I also hope that you are unlike the average European back packer that tries to lecture me when I commute for a day's adventure in the city.:rolleyes:

I'm Australian, and yes European backpackers are really noisy in groups. They work here and talk a lot ... at least they look alright.

What's an average American?
Moderately fat, quarter-black, half-blonde shemale.


Driving a 1998 Ford with engine from 1970s and automation from a 2010s disabled care facility.

Moderately fat, quarter-black, half-blonde shemale.


Driving a 1998 Ford with engine from 1970s and automation from a 2010s disabled care facility.

We're also all eight feet tall and wear cowboy hats.

Moderately fat, quarter-black, half-blonde shemale.


Driving a 1998 Ford with engine from 1970s and automation from a 2010s disabled care facility.

Wait, 6'0", 150 lb. people are moderately fat??

:confused:

You're probably meaning British.... Average American is 6'7" tall and weighs 177 lbs today.

The Average American (http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/122953/2139046/2145161/060717_GW_bushEX.jpg)

The Average American (http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/122953/2139046/2145161/060717_GW_bushEX.jpg)

Oh god no...

If the average American can point out at least 20 or so countries correctly on an atlas then their fine.

Some of my favourite people are Americans. :)

Oh god no...

If the average American can point out at least 20 or so countries correctly on an atlas then their fine.

Only 20? That's pretty easy.

Only 20? That's pretty easy.

Yes, but all americans are stupit

Where do the Canadians vote? lol?

I was wondering the same thing, unless Canadians how qualify as Americans...

Only 20? That's pretty easy.

Yeah. Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas...
But how many of them would be outside North America?

It's kinda hard to say that I will always love the average person of a massive group of people. It really doesn't take more than five to ten years for that average to ripen, turn bad and go mushy,

However, I do like the average american.

The Average American (http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/122953/2139046/2145161/060717_GW_bushEX.jpg)

Now I must erase this shame by commiting seppuku...

I doubt I like the average American. I find US culture and social values reprehensible, and presumably they'd be different if the average American didn't embrace them.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/99/Average_Joe_copy.jpg

I've got no problem with the average American. No better or worse than anyone else.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/99/Average_Joe_copy.jpg

You forgot 7.4 pets and 2.5 children.

I never really liked the average american.

What is the average american?

You forgot 7.4 pets and 2.5 children.

And one boob.

I dislike your government and some things about your culture, but on the whole I couldn't say I dislike Americans.

hey im american and sometimes i hate americans too,but i wouldnt say were ALL stupid as hell,we got SOME smart people here too
also yes i can name 20 countries,its not hard at all

we got SOME smart people here too

"...So they put our camera made by our German scientists and your film made by your German scientists into their satellite made by their German scientists..."


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What exactly is it people like or dislike, though?

Even with the random economic and political crap going on over there, i'd still like to live there. Part of my family does and it's done them wonders - especially financially.

Plus id love to join american army, british army doesnt do a whole load :(

And one boob.
1.5 is more like it, never forget the dreaded man-titty.

What exactly is it people like or dislike, though?

We aren't socialists!!!1!!

1.5 is more like it, never forget the dreaded man-titty.
Too small, sir, you're overpricing! OK, let's settle on 1.25.

"...So they put our camera made by our German scientists and your film made by your German scientists into their satellite made by their German scientists..."


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You see, thats what makes us smart. We're REALLY good at snagging other peoples scientists in or just after the periods of history when their countries are run by absolute dickwads. Or were about to be overun with the Evil Communist Hordes.
Why think when you can steal other peoples thinkers, huh?

Oh god no...

If the average American can point out at least 20 or so countries correctly on an atlas then their fine.

Will there also be a quiz on the proper use of "their", "they're", and "there"? ;)

Why think when you can steal other peoples thinkers, huh?

Good point haha

The Average American (http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/122953/2139046/2145161/060717_GW_bushEX.jpg)
Close enough.

Really, though, I doubt the average American is any less centered than the average anywhere else, they just tend to be less educated and less sensitive to their fellow man, which on the whole, makes them much more annoying.

You see, thats what makes us smart. We're REALLY good at snagging other peoples [...]
And other peoples' farmers, other peoples' idiots, et cetera. In fact, there are no "we" in here - US simply has nobody but immigrants.

Who the fuck cares?


Do any americans still like the average Belgian? I want to know!

Who the fuck cares?


Do any americans still like the average Belgian? I want to know!

What's a Belgian?

As I do not know enough US citizens (I assume that this is what is meant by "American") to be able to identify the nature of the average by this means, I have to derive my view of the average from some other source. The source that is available to me for this is the culture of the US as portrayed to the rest of the world. If this genuinely reflects the beliefs and opinions of the "average American" then I have to admit that I do not like this average, nor have I ever liked it.

What's a Belgian?
Like this:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/a/ac/180px-Suchet_Poirot.jpg

What's a Belgian?


It's a type of horsee.

http://ahimsaranch.org/images/belgian_mare_2.jpg

The horse is prettier.

I like the horse :)

The horse is prettier.

So would you say that it's prettier than the average American?

So would you say that it's prettier than the average American?I honestly don't know.

I don't think horsies are all that charming. Then again, obesity is downright nasty. I guess it depends on just how fat the average horse/American is and, perhaps fortunately, that's something I don't know.

From personal experience, I must say that most Americans are good people individually. But as a collective whole... I'm not as optimistic.

I've lived in the states for the past 8 years. I voted I hate the US.

I honestly don't know.

I don't think horsies are all that charming. Then again, obesity is downright nasty. I guess it depends on just how fat the average horse/American is and, perhaps fortunately, that's something I don't know.

Hmmm... Point taken.

But if I could choose between taking home a horse, a belgian, or an american, I would have chosen an american. One particular american, of course, not a random one. Dear lord I wouldn't want to be saddled with Paris Hilton! :eek: (her money on the other hand...)

what's this average american then? such a huge and culturally diverse country surely has an average that does not describe any single person exactly.

what's this average american then? such a huge and culturally diverse country surely has an average that does not describe any single person exactly.

I googled "Average american" and got this:

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/e_to_the_pi_times_i.png

...it must mean something! :eek:

what's this average american then? such a huge and culturally diverse country surely has an average that does not describe any single person exactly.which diversity?

what's this average american then? such a huge and culturally diverse country surely has an average that does not describe any single person exactly.

Right, because Americans are from everywhere, their can't be an average american, because our culture is so diverse. I guess thats one of the reasons why were hated, because were not like anyone else.

Like this:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/a/ac/180px-Suchet_Poirot.jpgOh noes !!!

Like this:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/f/f6/Ustinovpeter.jpg

What's a Belgian?*Pokes with a stick*

People from Belgium I assume.

Right, because Americans are from everywhere, their can't be an average american, because our culture is so diverse. I guess thats one of the reasons why were hated, because were not like anyone else.which diversity?

It's a type of horsee.

http://ahimsaranch.org/images/belgian_mare_2.jpgWitty.:p

What's a Belgian?

They're the people that make Belgian Waffles...and that shit is delicious.

What's a Belgian?

A candy?

Hmmm... Point taken.

But if I could choose between taking home a horse, a belgian, or an american, I would have chosen an american. One particular american, of course, not a random one. Dear lord I wouldn't want to be saddled with Paris Hilton! :eek: (her money on the other hand...)So would I. But that's only because I get horny every time I see the handle Vegan Nuts :D

I doubt that traditional Europeans like the US anymore for its corrupting television media.

So would I. But that's only because I get horny every time I see the handle Vegan Nuts :D

0.o


*Flees*

I doubt that traditional Europeans like the US anymore for its corrupting television media.

Awhoandawhatnow?

"Traditional europeans"? "Corrupting television"? :confused:

It depends. If this "average American" happens to be Canadian or Brazilian, then sure.

Can we get a poll as to when Europe's opinion was last significant?

Can we get a poll as to when Europe's opinion was last significant?

No. N00b. :rolleyes:

:p

What do you mean, "still"?

What do you mean, "still"?

Some people in the USA, if that is in fact what "American" is referring to, cultivate the delusion that they used to be liked/popular.

I still don't know what the average american personality is.

Some people in the USA, if that is in fact what "American" is referring to, cultivate the delusion that they used to be liked/popular.

They did, after 1945. In many parts of Europe :)

They did, after 1945. In many parts of Europe :)

Superficially at the deepest. Be honest now.

Superficially at the deepest. Be honest now.

Well, in some places there was a real fondness. A love, even, in between 1945 and 1960. (Marshall-aid one of the reasons) I know my grandparents lived in a time where the affection for america stuck deep.

Many of the places love turned to dislike as America didn't live up to their promises later tho (in the 60's, after Vietnam etc).

But remember, since the modern identity of the USA was forged in the 50's (and the illusion of the 50's as a perfect time is kept alive by some today), it's no wonder some people are surprised to find that those who liked america back then don't anymore.

I am rather neutral to the nationalities. However Americans on the net could do a lot to piss me off less by not pretending to be the only nation there.

Will there also be a quiz on the proper use of "their", "they're", and "there"? ;)

Their is a possessive - for example, THEIR mistake.
They're is a contraction for they are. For example, THEY'RE mistaken.
There indicates place in this case. THERE is their mistake, above.

What's a Belgian?

A person from Belgium, I would imagine? Nice country, good chocolate, northwest Europe near the Netherlands, headquarters of the EU and of NATO.... any of this ringing a bell?

I am rather neutral to the nationalities. However Americans on the net could do a lot to piss me off less by not pretending to be the only nation there.

But... aren't they? :eek:

Have you seen any Belgians around? >.>

But... aren't they? :eek:

Have you seen any Belgians around? >.>

Yeah, actually, at least 3 ones.

In all seriousness: Just small things like not saying that you are from "Randomlittletown, CA" but from "Randomlittletown, USA" do not piss oters off about you Americans. And in my case prevent a similar nationalistic answer.

Yeah, actually, at least 3 ones.

In all seriousness: Just small things like not saying that you are from "Randomlittletown, CA" but from "Randomlittletown, USA" do not piss oters off about you Americans. And in my case prevent a similar nationalistic answer.

Hehehe :D

:fluffle:

See if you can figure out what made me laugh! :P

What's a Belgian?

A waffle, last I checked.

Surely the country is too geographically, ethnically and culturally diverse to lend itself to such stereotypes?

I'll concede the foreign policy of Barney the Purple President is not to my liking, but neither is Mr. Blair's to many others, and I'd like to think we are not judged by his lack of judgement.

In all seriousness: Just small things like not saying that you are from "Randomlittletown, CA" but from "Randomlittletown, USA" do not piss oters off about you Americans. And in my case prevent a similar nationalistic answer.

Sorry, but I'm very tired and more than a bit drunk. Are you annoyed that people say they are from Randomlittletown, USA or from Randomlittletown, CA?

In all seriousness: Just small things like not saying that you are from "Randomlittletown, CA" but from "Randomlittletown, USA" do not piss oters off about you Americans. And in my case prevent a similar nationalistic answer.

Saying I'm from Randomlittletown, USA tells people nothing about where I live, when the US is big enough that there's probably 20 Randomlittletowns.

There's actually only 3 versions of the town I live in, but still...

Edit: Upon further research, there's actually 6 towns with the same name as this one. Huh.

Saying I'm from Randomlittletown, USA tells people nothing about where I live, when the US is big enough that there's probably 20 Randomlittletowns.

There's actually only 3 versions of the town I live in, but still...

If that's what he's annoyed about, here's what me saying I'm from Mount Pleasant, USA will get him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Pleasant#In_the_United_States_of_America

I like Americans. I think, in general, Americans (with some exceptions, looking at you, New Yorkers!), as a whole, are warm to everyone, even people they don't know. I just think, on average, we are a bit stupid and narrow sighted.

Nice people though.

Whatever.

Just remember the majority of you Europeans would be speaking German or Russian if it wasn't for us.

A waffle, last I checked.

See that's what I thought, but apparently there's a country behind all that.

Though I know many still respect the average American, but do you still like Americans in general?

why was there no option for "I, while an american citizen, am a leftist intellectual who dislikes all the other americans"? maybe I just missed it. *looks again*

Whatever.

Just remember the majority of you Europeans would be speaking German or Russian if it wasn't for us.

Especially those of them living in Germany.

I like Americans. I think, in general, Americans (with some exceptions, looking at you, New Yorkers!), as a whole, are warm to everyone, even people they don't know. I just think, on average, we are a bit stupid and narrow sighted.

Nice people though.

new yorkers are helpful people who look out for you, they just don't bullshit you. they tell you what they're thinking to your face, and they don't bend over backwards to make you believe they like you when they don't. its honesty, not rudeness. I've lived in new york and in the american south (arguably the "friendliest" place in the country) and I can't stand how insincere and sugary-sweet southerners are anymore. also, if you're judging new yorkers based on their treatment of tourists, stop. tourism is like a constant rain of naivety...it would try anyone's patience. when I went to school in new york we had 20000 tourists every day in my building, (granted I went to school in a landmark) you'd go insane if you tried to be chipper and helpful to all of them.

Especially those of them living in Germany.

Don't play dumb. :rolleyes:

Don't play dumb. :rolleyes:

If the U.S. didn't step forward than Russia would, at least, have taken the rest of Germany.

My friend, he is playing smart.

Don't play dumb. :rolleyes:

he probably wasn't aware someone who evaluates his worldview based on the achievements of his grandparents would mind or notice stupidity.

he probably wasn't aware someone who evaluates his worldview based on the achievements of his grandparents would mind or notice stupidity.

If the U.S. didn't step forward than Russia would, at least, have taken the rest of Germany.

My friend, he is playing smart.

Actually, I was merely poking fun at a poorly written statement. While I agree that the Soviets would likely have taken much of Europe, I see no point in such nationalistic dickwaving.

Actually, I was merely poking fun at a poorly written statement. While I agree that the Soviets would likely have taken much of Europe, I see no point in such nationalistic dickwaving.It's just one of those charming Average American traits :p

Actually, I was merely poking fun at a poorly written statement. While I agree that the Soviets would likely have taken much of Europe, I see no point in such nationalistic dickwaving.

As an American I must say:

Zomg we did all teh work in WWI and II, we won both great wars. We are teh wijn!!!!!111 America, fuck yeah!

I jest.

Whatever.

Just remember the majority of you Europeans would be speaking German or Russian if it wasn't for us.

Oh, nein, nicht Deutsch! Welcher Angsttraum! :rolleyes:

Or, you know, we would have continued speaking our own languages, sort of like East Europe didn't have to speak Russian and France didn't have to speak German...

Just out of curiousity; don't you Americans think it's more likely you'd be speaking Russian now if it hadn't been for the British?

EDIT: Damnit Fass, you ruined it! :p

Just out of curiousity; don't you Americans think it's more likely you'd be speaking Russian now if it hadn't been for the British?

How so?

Unless there's a version of Red Dawn, which I have missed out on.

"WOLVERINES...eh bullocks, let's discuss this diplomatically hoping to achieve fair trade with the impoverished nations of the world"

EDIT: Damnit Fass, you ruined it! :p

It's not my fault that people in the USA are so scared of foreign languages that they assume everyone else would be as spooked, or that everyone else would be so intolerant of them as they've been of Spanish - which, mark my word, will be their second and then primary language sooner or later. :)

Go, go Latinos - jump those fences and breed like rabbits - todos ellos hablarán Español!

Land-Lease Act.
Went to Russia, too.
Yea, dog.

It's not my fault that people in the USA are so scared of foreign languages that they assume everyone else would be as spooked, or that everyone else would be so intolerant of them as they've been of Spanish - which, mark my word, will be their second and then primary language sooner or later. :)

Go, go Latinos - jump those fences and breed like rabbits - todos ellos hablarán Español!

Fass always delivers the vast sweeping generalizations.

Whatever.

Just remember the majority of you Europeans would be speaking German or Russian if it wasn't for us.

Well, actually, if the U.S. hadn't gone to war with Germany (just Japan for example) Germany would have probably held back Russia. Hitler made a mistake when attacking Russia so soon - but without America's support, Britain would have fallen sooner or later, and Russia would be pushed back. If the U.S. was still only fighting Japan, Germany would have developed a nuclear weapon much sooner than the U.S., and would have struck places like Washington D.C. and New York first, which would have followed in the surrender of the United States (most likely....).

So if it wasn't for the big bang at Pearl Harbor, and the whole Germany vs. America, Britain, and Russia at the same time, everyone would be speaking German, Italian, or Japanese.

Intellectual? Rofl.

BAH. A wise man knows that he knows nothing.

BAH. A wise man knows that he knows nothing.

Aha, and the post no longer exists! But seriously: you hate Americans yet you are one? How many friends do you have?

Fass always delivers the vast sweeping generalizations.

Perhaps you didn't read the OP or the thread title?

Well, actually, if the U.S. hadn't gone to war with Germany (just Japan for example) Germany would have probably held back Russia. Hitler made a mistake when attacking Russia so soon - but without America's support, Britain would have fallen sooner or later, and Russia would be pushed back. If the U.S. was still only fighting Japan, Germany would have developed a nuclear weapon much sooner than the U.S., and would have struck places like Washington D.C. and New York first, which would have followed in the surrender of the United States (most likely....).

So if it wasn't for the big bang at Pearl Harbor, and the whole Germany vs. America, Britain, and Russia at the same time, everyone would be speaking German, Italian, or Japanese.I agree. Germany would have pwnt the world in the face if it wasn't for the US. Sure, fighting the USSR was sending the increasingly dwindling military capable population to their deaths, Germany would have thought something up, like robots! Sure Nazi robots probably would have been over-engineered out of egotism, making them a disaster to maintain, but they would only have to wipe out Russia, Canada, and all of the UK's colonies.

Perhaps you didn't read the OP or the thread title?

Actually Spanish classes are regular in middle school in most areas of the U.S. Not to mention Latin. While secondary languages are not as important to us as they may be to a European, that hardly gives you right to exercise your hatred towards a mostly apathetic population.

Aha, and the post no longer exists! But seriously: you hate Americans yet you are one? How many friends do you have?

I hate Americans? Are you insinuating that Americans are arrogant pompous assholes? I will agree with you to an extent, but I can find said person in any country on the planet. We just have a slightly higher average on the bell curve due to a lack of multiculturalism. Hardly our fault because of a distinct geographic disadvantage compared to Europeans, who interact with so many different cultures on a daily basis. Give us time. :)

Yes, I am drunk.

Actually Spanish classes are regular in middle school in most areas of the U.S. Not to mention Latin.

See, it's already started. Glorious! *mwoahahahahaha!*

While secondary languages are not as important to us as they may be to a European, that hardly gives you right to exercise your hatred towards a mostly apathetic population.

I don't need anything to "give" me that right. I have that right.

See, it's already started. Glorious! *mwoahahahahaha!*

Aye, about time anyway.



I don't need anything to "give" me that right. I have that right.

No question, but some exercise that right with a little more form and grace. As opposed to plowing straight into the heart of the problem scaring away all opposition.

No question, but some exercise that right with a little more form and grace. As opposed to plowing straight into the heart of the problem scaring away all opposition.

It is dealing with people in the USA, after all, so "form" and "grace" would be pearls before beached whales. :p

Well, actually, if the U.S. hadn't gone to war with Germany (just Japan for example) Germany would have probably held back Russia. Hitler made a mistake when attacking Russia so soon - but without America's support, Britain would have fallen sooner or later, and Russia would be pushed back.
If the U.S. was still only fighting Japan, Germany would have developed a nuclear weapon much sooner than the U.S., and would have struck places like Washington D.C. and New York first, which would have followed in the surrender of the United States (most likely....).

Sure. If US wasn't at war with Germany, then Germany would had struck Washington DC first, then NYC, and only then think if maybe they should attack enemy HQ in Moscow and London...

I love the US-centrism.

It is dealing with people in the USA, after all, so "form" and "grace" would be pearls before beached whales. :p

I've never heard that expression before, but I'll make sure everyone within 600 feet knows of it at every opportunity.

My 'form' and 'grace' are the product of 15 years of PC awareness.

Sure. If US wasn't at war with Germany, then Germany would had struck Washington DC first, then NYC, and only then think if maybe they should attack enemy HQ in Moscow and London...

I love the US-centrism.

That would be wierd.
The first nuclear war.
Cept with atomic bombs.

Though actually American WWII nukes were of little military value. They cost a hell lot to produce, due to lack of enrichment technology, and were relatively weak - equivalent in damage to a couple good bomber raids.

They did, after 1945. In many parts of Europe :)that was only for the chocolate bars they gave to kids. but after the chocolate they brought their nuclear arsenal and their cold war...

I dislike US foreign policy, and those annoying fundamentalist churches that send missionaries anywhere other than their own country. As for American people I will like or dislike them based on what they are like as individuals.

well of course they hate americans. they think we're all a bunch of gun nuts who bomb abortin clinics and wear cowboy hats while they are a bunch of back packing mertic system using vegans complaining about a contry they've never been to and everything they know of it is from their local biased press. I can generalize to. yay!

Sure. If US wasn't at war with Germany, then Germany would had struck Washington DC first, then NYC, and only then think if maybe they should attack enemy HQ in Moscow and London...

I love the US-centrism.

Yeah but if the English had just let napoleon be, there would have been no Germany to threaten europe. And what if… If only Europe had not driven the Native Americans away but let them live in peace.

well of course they hate americans. they think we're all a bunch of gun nuts who bomb abortin clinics and wear cowboy hats while they are a bunch of back packing mertic system using vegans complaining about a contry they've never been to and everything they know of it is from their local biased press. I can generalize to. yay!don't forget the school shootings, the religious right and the Iraq war, and the detention camps and the eavesdropping.
oh, and don't forget that you re-elected Dubya, that was the back-breaking straw

Yeah but if the English had just let napoleon be, there would have been no Germany to threaten europe. WHAT??

I hope my very first message here doesn't start a flamewar (Hi there,all, by the way!). I'm an EU citizen, I'm from Italy, actually, and I'm grateful to the US Army and the ANZAC for having freed my country, and to the US government for having devised the Marshall Plan.
This said,(Western) Europe has always been a staunch ally of the US, and, France and Russia nonwhitstanding, Europeans don't seem to "hate" Americans, at least as far as I can see.
@Ordo Drakul: I don't judge if Europe's opinion (if such an intellectual construct may exist) is considered as it should in the international arena. What I know is that Europe discusses its issues, without resorting to the vote the Republic of Palau (no offence intended to the brave Palauans) or ghost WMD to declare a war.
Have at you, sirs:-)

Though I know many still respect the average American, but do you still like Americans in general?

That is really quite a good question, and for lots of reasons, I hardly know where to begin.


When you say European, you do realise that we don't really see our selves as European, and much prefer to be called after the country of our origin?

So bearing that in mind, you may find the answers differ from me a Brit(English) to lets say a Frenchman!

What I find kinda strange nowadays between the perception of the English from the Americans, and the other way around is this 'reservedness'.

It was well know that English people were reserved, and mindful of speaking their minds, easpecialy about matters of sex.

Now I see a complete turn about. What with verious Christian groups in the States, and this whole purity ring thing.
Mind you haveing said that my perception of the avargae American, as based on those Americans I have met here, is still that they are loud, brash, feel superior to most others, and are not sensitive to how their words and actions may make others feel and responed.

heh and the ones that are not like this seem always to be appoligsing for their country and their countrymen.

Sure. If US wasn't at war with Germany, then Germany would had struck Washington DC first, then NYC, and only then think if maybe they should attack enemy HQ in Moscow and London...

I love the US-centrism.

If the U.S. hadn't gotten involved in the war, Germany would have probably steamrolled over Russia and Britain. This would take some time, of course - as would the development of the atomic bomb. I was assuming that by the time Germany invents the atomic bomb, Britain and Russia are either under German occupation or a bunch of smoldering ashes. In which case an atomic bomb wouldn't be necessary. Plus Hitler already had U-Boats in American waters before they went to war - war with America was something Hitler wanted to do too. Except he declared war on too many nations at the same time - leading 3 fronts (Russia, Britain, Africa) didn't fare to well for Germany.

If the U.S. hadn't gotten involved in the war, Germany would have probably steamrolled over Russia and Britain.
Utter shite. The Germans didn't stand a chance at Britain after the Battle of Britain, due to the Kriegsmarine being made up of 3 old men with a slightly leaky dinghy, with an MG34 on top.
This would take some time, of course - as would the development of the atomic bomb.
Time which Germany didn't have, due to a war on 3 fronts before the US got involved.
I was assuming that by the time Germany invents the atomic bomb, Britain and Russia are either under German occupation or a bunch of smoldering ashes. In which case an atomic bomb wouldn't be necessary.
This is a quite frankly ridiculous assertion and hopefully you know it.
Plus Hitler already had U-Boats in American waters before they went to war - war with America was something Hitler wanted to do too.
If he genuinely cared, then he wasn't particularly showy about it.
Except he declared war on too many nations at the same time - leading 3 fronts (Russia, Britain, Africa) didn't fare to well for Germany.
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He was fighting on 3 fronts before the US got involved, and by 1943, which is when the US presence made the beginnings of a difference in Europe, he was getting smacked about in Russia, and the Commandoes were already active in occupied France.





Incidentally, most Americans I've met were alright people. That said, they're probably in the minority, largely being somewhat left-wing European expats.

What's a Belgian?
Gawd dammit, if only there were any famous ones so I could give you an example, but alas, no.

well of course they hate americans. they think we're all a bunch of....They think we re-elected Bush.

They think that -in 2003- most of US wanted to Bomb Iraq. Mainly because of 911 misplaced blood-thirsty revenge.

The word "misplaced" is there because most of US were stupid enough to believe the Neocon propaganda about Saddam having ties to 911.

are they wrong to think that? are they wrong to assume that?

They think we re-elected Bush.

They think that -in 2003- most of US wanted to Bomb Iraq. Mainly because of 911 misplaced blood-thirsty revenge.

The word "misplaced" is there because most of US were stupid enough to believe the Neocon propaganda about Saddam having ties to 911.So.. Are we wrong?

So.. Are we wrong?
I am a self liking American, but no, they are NOT wrong.
we allowed the neocons to take over the White house, we beleived their childish propaganda, we allowed them to bomb Iraq.

In a Democracy we must take responsibility. (especially if we re-elect them)
In a Democracy.. if we are trying to ignore (like the 3 monkeys) the warcrimes our gov commits.. we-the-people are no better than the Gov we elected.

are they wrong to think that?NO.

are they wrong to assume that?That's not just an assumption. We follow the news, too, and have been following it for the last decades.*

*not only FOX news

I am a self liking American, but no, they are NOT wrong.'Tis OK. I don't mind you either, but I somehow doubt you're representative ;)

I very strongly dislike your culture and the people and institutions that keep it alive though. It seems to me the American Dream is all about worshipping injustice and treating each other like cattle. That many of you seems proud of this doesn't exactly help either.

'Tis OK. I don't mind you either, but I somehow doubt you're representative ;)If I was representative, we would probably be like a Big Canada with a Nuclear arsenal (I am for a nukes free world, but not unilateral)


I very strongly dislike your culture and the people and institutions that keep it alive though.at this point and time.. I cant blame you.


It seems to me the American Dream is all about worshipping injustice and treating each other like cattle. That many of you seems proud of this doesn't exactly help either.There is nothing wrong with the "American Dream" itself, because the literal meaning is that "anyone can make it" that "we have the same chances of making it",

but its not quite true, its just somewhat true.. if you are born from a poor mexican or black family your chances of "making it" are 1/100 or less. So the American dream is way less accessible to some..

The philosophy I really have issues with is "defending the American way of life".

'Tis OK. I don't mind you either, but I somehow doubt you're representative ;)

I very strongly dislike your culture and the people and institutions that keep it alive though. It seems to me the American Dream is all about worshipping injustice and treating each other like cattle. That many of you seems proud of this doesn't exactly help either.

Then, sir, I invite you, if you are able, to spend some time in the US.

Forgive me...but I am sick of judgements. Americans judging Europeans. Europeans judging Americans. Christians judging the world. Muslims judging the world.

"Spend a day in the man's shoes." That's my philosophy.

I try not to make judgements, because I am too young to have seen much of the world.

What sickens me about judgementalism, is that more often than not the "judge" completely ignores the positives that come out of different cultures and societies, and they seem to ignore their cultures own negatives.

Hypothetical situation. Let us remove whatever's bugging you.

Let's say the USA. We remove the US from the world stage. Fine. In return, they get to take back everything they've contributed to the world.

Now let's try the Europe. Fine. They can take everything back too.

I'm not neccessarily address this to you...This is just something I've wanted to say ever since these damned "what do you think about" threads started popping up. I haven't because I knew I would just get all riled up...and that's not healthy...

Maybe I'm overreacting, maybe I'm suffering from good ol' insecurity (you would too if the world hates you thanks to the actions of one stupid monkey)...Maybe its the fact that my neck's been killing me for the past three days...I dunno :p

I intend to make a world-tour one day, when I am able. Then perhaps I can make informed opinions.

...I need a cookie...

OH! And if you have visited the US, and have formed your opinions from that trip, then I will not attempt to change your opinion, and you may beat me with a silly stick...

...Oy...

*Dies*

Balance, moderation, AGH!

*dies again*

If the U.S. hadn't gotten involved in the war, Germany would have probably steamrolled over Russia and Britain.
In fact US got involved in the war just as soon as Russia and Britain started to steamroll over the German conquests. When it was only a matter of time.

Read the history again and not from the school textbook.... July 1943 was when US first did anything on the main theater. German Sixth Army had surrendered in February 1943, and Germany was consistently losing afterwards. The war's culmination was already over when US entered.

In fact US got involved in the war just as soon as Russia and Britain started to steamroll over the German conquests. When it was only a matter of time.

Read the history again and not from the school textbook.... July 1943 was when US first did anything on the main theater. German Sixth Army had surrendered in February 1943, and Germany was consistently losing afterwards. The war's culmination was already over when US entered.

A dubious supposition. Much as the German military machine had suffered reverses prior to the arrival of the US army in force, it was the arrival of the US in such numbers that overstretched German logistical capacity so as to facilitate victory upon two fronts.

But for US intervention, Russia would have lacked technical and logistical support, and information, that proved integral to it's victory. Moreover, had the Wermacht been able to train its sights solely upon Russia, it is undeniable it would have prevailed.

Which German "conquests" did Britain, as you inelegantly put it, "steamroller"? Beyond North Africa, Britain did little of any consequence upon land, beyond raids such as Dieppe, until Operation Overlord.