NationStates Jolt Archive


Riders: yay or nay

Australiasiaville
12-08-2007, 02:22
Do you believe they are beneficial? Or should legislation be passed separately on its own merit, and riders are a dishonest shortcut? I personally feel that it is an absurd and unnecessary system. Other countries get by fine without it, why does Congress (and wherever else the practice is used) need to resort to these underhanded tactics that are so open to abuse.

And for the record, from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rider_(legislation)):
In legislative practice, a rider is an additional provision annexed to a bill under the consideration of a legislature, having little connection with the subject matter of the bill. They are usually created as a tactic to pass a controversial provision which would not pass as its own bill. Occasionally, a controversial provision is attached to a less important bill not to be passed itself but to prevent the bill from being passed (in which case it is called a poison pill). Use of riders is customary in many legislative bodies, including the Congress of the United States.

EDIT
Yay, 100th post.
Christmahanikwanzikah
12-08-2007, 02:27
No, it's not necessary and yes, it is underhanded...

but it's politics.
Nefundland
12-08-2007, 02:32
A complete and total waste of $30,000,000,000 a year that could be spent on paying down the national debt, revamping our infrastructure, or doing any other number of useful things. Instead, it's used to build a bridge so that people in Alaska can live on some rocky spit of land and not have to take a ferry.

*sigh*

Welcome to America, please speak English and try to avoid all the flying shit.
Mystical Skeptic
12-08-2007, 02:51
There are already too many laws - we need to spend more time repealing them than making up new ones.

No item should be spent on if it does not merit it's own vote. Period.
Neo Undelia
12-08-2007, 03:11
They aren't all bad. Right now there's a rider that will ban the sale of cluster bombs to other nations.
Australiasiaville
12-08-2007, 03:12
They aren't all bad. Right now there's a rider that will ban the sale of cluster bombs to other nations.

Why isn't it being passed on its own but? Making it a rider compromises both it and whatever it is being attached to.
Neo Undelia
12-08-2007, 03:19
Why isn't it being passed on its own?

Because it would not pass on its own.
Australiasiaville
12-08-2007, 03:23
Because it would not pass on its own.

Out of curiosity, why not?

Wouldn't you agree that if a bill can't pass on its own merits then it shouldn't pass?
Neo Undelia
12-08-2007, 03:26
Out of curiosity, why not?
Too many congressman beholden to local arms manufacturers. Don't want to appear soft on terror, etc.
Wouldn't you agree that if a bill can't pass on its own merits then it shouldn't pass?
No. Nor do I think that just because a bill passes it should.
Mystical Skeptic
12-08-2007, 04:08
No. Nor do I think that just because a bill passes it should.

LOL. Who needs democracy!