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Well I had those lovely word shouted at me today. The reason? I'm an indian guy with majority white friends. Story time:

So I had just finished work and had arranged to meet some of my friends at a pub. We were sitting there having a nice chat and beer when some guys I knew (other Indian guys) came in and looked at me in, what I can only describe as, disgust. I ignored it for a while but they just kept staring and muttering. I couldn't take it as I'd had a crappy day at work so I turned to them and asked if they had a problem. This was the response:

"There is a slight problem actually. You should be sitting here with us instead of those white bastards. You are a guy who has Indian heritage and you do not respect it."

That really got to me. I was looking at some guys I had known for years and most of them had never set foot in India while I'd spent in total of a year there, living with my grandparents and helping them on their farms. I shouted them at this and the next thing I hear from one of them:

"You are a traitor!" he stood up with his friends and started walking towards us. We also stood up expecting trouble. Luckily we're regulars in that pub and we know the landlord quite well. He stood in front of the group and shouted:

"GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY PUB! YOU'RE BARRED!" The looked at us once more and left without another word.

But I ask you this NSG. Is this a sign of our times? We hear more in the news of honour killings, guys being attacked because they have a white girlfrined and vice versa. We try and brush it under the carpet but it seems to me racial tension and violence even against those, like myself, who don't give a damn about a persons race is becoming more dangerous. What say you NSG?

I hear similar, mainly from protestant christians, because I have a majority Muslim friends now a days. If I were you, I'd say forget ass hats like that. They are not worth the trouble.

As far as racial violence, i think people of a minority group tend to get hostile after years of being held back, if not by law, but rather society. So when they see someone associating with a person they deem to be part of the oppressive society, they feel like you turned your back on them for some reason.

The Internet says: Ditch these guys.


"When one has nothing to be proud of, he becomes proud of his nationality."


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I can't say that I've ever seen anything like that...

In my group of friends in highschool, there was me, two white guys, a chinese guy, an indian guy, a korean girl, one of my friends who looks brown but is of really mixed heritage, a couple of black guys... we were all united by being nerds. :)

Put it behind you man, they probably had had a bad day too and wanted to take it out on someone- anyone.

But for the wider issue thing, I think that Britain is becoming a more polarised place economically, and imo, history shows that as people get poorer the chances of becoming drummed up into nationalism or racism becomes higher (not that I'm saying the poor are racists or anything :P) because people feel the need to have a scapegoat,which is why I think there are more extremists in the relatively poor region of the Middle East than in, say, Western Europe.

Also, the fact that Britain hasn't really done anything in the last forty years that can really get the entire nation together "behind the flag" (like the Americans and the Moon Landing for instance), there is no real unity in the United Kingdom, which makes having a racial identity more statisfying.

But hey, I'm probably wrong. :)

We try and brush it under the carpet but it seems to me racial tension and violence even against those, like myself, who don't give a damn about a persons race is becoming more dangerous. What say you NSG?I say it happens because we've made an immigrant class below the lower class. Because our media exploits racism to sell fear, which in turn reinforces the alienation and disenfranchisement. Because our foreign policies in the first world, are all about pillaging everyone else.

I'm not saying that it's any sort of excuse for racism, but I am saying we'll have to take a long hard look in the mirror if we want to deal with it, and not just sweep it under the carpet as you put it.

As for what happened to you, I can only suggest you take up boxing. Unless you change your ways, it's likely to happen again, and again, and again... Does to us at any rate.

It happens when you only have two to deal with as well: Black and White. I've known any number of Black friends to get the same treatment because they're not following the "Party Line", so to speak.

*stuff*
Clearly, you are a traitor. A traitor to all those who support the cause of racism and segregation based upon skin color or ethnicity.

I raise my glass to all the traitors to this cause! May our treachery plant the seeds of a society where one's differences matter not.

Gits.

But try not to let it get to you. We all know how a sleepless night and a bad day can turn the nicest fellow into a complete bastard. Don't ditch your mates after one night, when you see them, tell them how you feel, and if they are still complete bastards, tell them how you feel and let them be. If not, forget it, live and let live.

Apparently, you are a traitor to "assholes who judge others by the color of their skin rather than the content of their character."

Good group to be a traitor to -- whether the particular mob of fools you are facing are white or brown.

What are they, seven years old? They expect you to drop the people you are with simply because they know you and happened to walk into the same public place you were in? Do they have any manners at all?

Oh noes, a race traitor. How will you sleep at night?
Amusing answer: With some white wimminz

I say it happens because we've made an immigrant class below the lower class. Because our media exploits racism to sell fear, which in turn reinforces the alienation and disenfranchisement. Because our foreign policies in the first world, are all about pillaging everyone else.

I'm not saying that it's any sort of excuse for racism, but I am saying we'll have to take a long hard look in the mirror if we want to deal with it, and not just sweep it under the carpet as you put it.

As for what happened to you, I can only suggest you take up boxing. Unless you change your ways, it's likely to happen again, and again, and again... Does to us at any rate.

OH i've been a boxer for the last 3 years. I'm sorted on that front

What irks me is all these 'protective' policies that keep popping up. I mean Merry Christmas was taken off all the christams decorations and seasons greetings instead put on them to "allow all races and religions to celebrate the season." To my awareness there had never been any problems beforehand where people of different religions and races would come together and everyone enjoyed the time.

when this was put forward by our council all religions were in an uproar saying that this divided the close community instead of uniting it and I agreed with them. Its like the government treats us of minorities as little children with problems who they must please at all times and that really pisses me and a lot of people off.

Gits.

But try not to let it get to you. We all know how a sleepless night and a bad day can turn the nicest fellow into a complete bastard. Don't ditch your mates after one night, when you see them, tell them how you feel, and if they are still complete bastards, tell them how you feel and let them be. If not, forget it, live and let live.

Oh these guys weren't my mates. Just some guys who happened to share the same skin colour as me. My friends were the white guys to whom this hate was directed as well as myself.

Oh these guys weren't my mates. Just some guys who happened to share the same skin colour as me. My friends were the white guys to whom this hate was directed as well as myself.
Ah.

*Feels silly*

it seems pretty scary to me to have them suggest that you are a TRAITOR for associating with non-indians. a traitor to what? if being british and associating with other brits is being a traitor than surely it is your parents or grandparents who are "traitors" for moving there and staying there.

what would be the point of segregating yourselves from the country you live in? you ARE british, every last one of you. arent you? isnt being born in britain enough to give you citizenship? to suggest that you owe some kind of loyalty outside of that is just wrong.

(not that you cant HAVE some kind of loyality, but you dont owe it)

Dude, first of all... I really feel sorry for you. That thing sucked and you shouldn't have been put in that situation. I'm a Los Angeles cracker and I'm just not ACCUSTOMED to violent racism.

A friend of mine who's of Mexican descent moved to North Carolina 15 years ago. Went to work for a major telco and was given the worst duties, the worst hours and on many occasions was refused admittance to a customer's home due to his skin color. When he told me this story at our reunion I sat speechless. I just don't understand the behavior At all.

Here's a thing though. Was watching this Desi comic on Comedy Central. Now... the guy's name is Russell Peters, but he IS in fact Indian. He did a bit about how he felt bad for white people because we are accused of being the most racist when he said in fact white people weren't NEARLY as racist as everyone else. (not sure I buy that, but... probably it depends upon what part of the country you're from.) He then does a bit where two Indian guys meet each other. "You are from India? I am from India, too. I am from Punjab, where are you from?" "I am Bengali" "Stay the fuck away from me you stupid bastard."

So I just think PEOPLE are racist. All else being equal, they'll divide along political boundaries, or music preference or what driver they support in NASCAR. The Scots hate the Scots. The Irish hate the Irish and everyone hates the French.

Sorry again that it happened to you. I don't think the world's changing, I think you met some fuckwits who need to have their balls kicked up into their throats.

Clearly, you are a traitor. A traitor to all those who support the cause of racism and segregation based upon skin color or ethnicity.

I raise my glass to all the traitors to this cause! May our treachery plant the seeds of a society where one's differences matter not.

Seconded. *bows*

Clearly, you are a traitor. A traitor to all those who support the cause of racism and segregation based upon skin color or ethnicity.

I raise my glass to all the traitors to this cause! May our treachery plant the seeds of a society where one's differences matter not.

Raise a glass with you on this one. Goes to show that racism is common in all races throughout our fine planet.

Clearly, you are a traitor. A traitor to all those who support the cause of racism and segregation based upon skin color or ethnicity.

I raise my glass to all the traitors to this cause! May our treachery plant the seeds of a society where one's differences matter not.

Seconded. *bows*

Hear hear! To traitors!

SNIP...But I ask you this NSG. Is this a sign of our times? We hear more in the news of honour killings, guys being attacked because they have a white girlfrined and vice versa. We try and brush it under the carpet but it seems to me racial tension and violence even against those, like myself, who don't give a damn about a persons race is becoming more dangerous. What say you NSG?

IMHO. I think this stems in part from societies that embrace the God of multiculturalism that excluded assimilation. At one time people who immigrated to another country assimilated into the culture of their adopted country. Oh, they may have kept some traditions from the old country but they didn't seem to emphasize the old culture.

My grandfather came from Ireland and my parents and I lived in his house until I was 11 years old. I do not remember a time when we celebrated any Irish holidays with the exception of St. Patrick's Day. I was never taught Irish traditions, we did not listen to Irish music, and we didn't go to Irish cultural whatever. My grandfather became American and we celebrated American holidays.

Seems like today many people want to say the hell with my new country. I live here but I'm from the old country, I should embrace that culture and those from that culture who don't are traitors. Those people of Indian decent you met in the bar are nothing but bigots and if they don't like the UK, if they don't like the culture of the UK, if they don't want to make friends with non-Indians, perhaps they should move to India where they can practice their Indian culture.

END OF RANT.

The answer to these race problems is simple isn't it

MASSIVE INTERRACIAL BREEDING!!!!

I know I'll do my part....:D

If they're so idioticn as to call you a traitor based on the race of the people you hang out with, they clearly don't deserve your time.

Well I had those lovely word shouted at me today. The reason? I'm an indian guy with majority white friends. Story time:

So I had just finished work and had arranged to meet some of my friends at a pub. We were sitting there having a nice chat and beer when some guys I knew (other Indian guys) came in and looked at me in, what I can only describe as, disgust. I ignored it for a while but they just kept staring and muttering. I couldn't take it as I'd had a crappy day at work so I turned to them and asked if they had a problem. This was the response:

"There is a slight problem actually. You should be sitting here with us instead of those white bastards. You are a guy who has Indian heritage and you do not respect it."

That really got to me. I was looking at some guys I had known for years and most of them had never set foot in India while I'd spent in total of a year there, living with my grandparents and helping them on their farms. I shouted them at this and the next thing I hear from one of them:

"You are a traitor!" he stood up with his friends and started walking towards us. We also stood up expecting trouble. Luckily we're regulars in that pub and we know the landlord quite well. He stood in front of the group and shouted:

"GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY PUB! YOU'RE BARRED!" The looked at us once more and left without another word.

But I ask you this NSG. Is this a sign of our times? We hear more in the news of honour killings, guys being attacked because they have a white girlfrined and vice versa. We try and brush it under the carpet but it seems to me racial tension and violence even against those, like myself, who don't give a damn about a persons race is becoming more dangerous. What say you NSG?

Fuck...I'm Indian, and I have mostly white friends. Wow...

Fuck...I'm Indian, and I have mostly white friends. Wow...

Indian or Native American?

Indian or Native American?

The first one. Nobody really cares, since there aren't that many other Indian guys around.

Indian or Native American?

Indian, as in India. Please read the context above.

Indian, as in India. Please read the context above.

Pssst. Look at who he was quoting. :p

It's an American thing. Thanks to a unique brand of stupidity possessed by medieval explorers, a lot of people ask if I'm Native American.

It's an American thing. Thanks to a unique brand of stupidity possessed by medieval explorers, a lot of people ask if I'm Native American.I suppose in a sense, you are :p

Pssst. Look at who he was quoting. :p

I know, but what is the likelihood that in a thread about a near brawl in a pub between white pub goers and Indian pub goers, a Native American would chime in, "I'm Indian too?"

I suppose in a sense, you are :p

Since I was born and raised here, in a sense I am.

The answer to these race problems is simple isn't it

MASSIVE INTERRACIAL BREEDING!!!!

I know I'll do my part....:D

As I shall do mine. (Indian girls I know actually don't attract me that much)

Since I was born and raised here, in a sense I am.Alright, in more than one sense then. As I shall do mine. (Indian girls I know actually don't attract me that much)In that case, I hope for your sake you ignore Oklatex and learn some foreign cooking. I'd recommend Indian.

Alright, in more than one sense then. In that case, I hope for your sake you ignore Oklatex and learn some foreign cooking. I'd recommend Indian.

I actually don't eat a lot of different Indian foods. I can put on enough to make myself dinner though. Except the ground turkey.

Heh -- I'm American of Sicilian and Puerto Rican ethnicity, and I've cooked Indian food -- and no, not with jars and packets of premixed seasonings.

I like what I've had so far -- it seems to me that the cuisine does so much with seasoning foods in such interesting and delicious ways that I never feel "cheated" having eaten a plate of veggies.

Indian food is really nice...to me its just food as my parents and my nan have made sure we've all grown up on it. If cooked from complete scratch it is really healthy. Not the really unhealthy served at take aways and many restaurants.

Heh -- I'm American of Sicilian and Puerto Rican ethnicity, and I've cooked Indian food -- and no, not with jars and packets of premixed seasonings.

I like what I've had so far -- it seems to me that the cuisine does so much with seasoning foods in such interesting and delicious ways that I never feel "cheated" having eaten a plate of veggies.

I'm probably the only kid who's ever had broccoli and liked it. :p

The answer to these race problems is simple isn't it

MASSIVE INTERRACIAL BREEDING!!!!

I know I'll do my part....:D

promoting racial harmony one orgasm at a time!

its a tough job but someone's gotta do it.

"When one has nothing to be proud of, he becomes proud of his nationality."

Who said this one? I loved this quote.

Those guys are obviously as stupid as they come. They've probably never even stayed in India for longer for two weeks at a time, if ever. Never put up with that kind of crap, Londim. And never feel intimidated by those thugs.

I'm probably the only kid who's ever had broccoli and liked it. :p

Not the ONLY one.... ;)

Not the ONLY one.... ;)

I stand corrected.

First of all, GO TRAITORS!

Second, I haven't encountered that kind of problem. My cultural subgroup is Judaism, and while there is a push to have mostly Jewish friends, it's based on avoiding assimilation. You don't get attacked for having non-Jewish friends. There's also a push to have non-Jewish friends - better PR that way. One of my closest friends is non-Jewish, and he greatly respects Judaism.

They were either traditionalist, purely racist, or just stupid. You shouldn't have a problem with them later on...hopefully.

I was bigotry - plain and simple. Regardless of anyones color. I find hypocrisy like the statements below complete reprehensible; They make excuses for anyone other than WASPs - which is racism in itself - yet they wear the mantle of righteousness as if their racism is somehow justified because they wrap it in bullshit PC moral justifications.


As far as racial violence, i think people of a minority group tend to get hostile after years of being held back, if not by law, but rather society. So when they see someone associating with a person they deem to be part of the oppressive society, they feel like you turned your back on them for some reason.

I say it happens because we've made an immigrant class below the lower class. Because our media exploits racism to sell fear, which in turn reinforces the alienation and disenfranchisement. Because our foreign policies in the first world, are all about pillaging everyone else.



As for dickweeds who call you out like that? I would suggest not confronting them next time. Never lower yourself to the common denominator. If they persist simply and calmly say "You have obviously mistaken me for a bigot. I am not which is why I cannot join you."

*snip*

So I just think PEOPLE are racist. All else being equal, they'll divide along political boundaries, or music preference or what driver they support in NASCAR. The Scots hate the Scots. The Irish hate the Irish and everyone hates the French.


Quoted for multi-dimensioned, motherfucking Truth.

I have always believed that racism has no particular colour, abuse of power no gender, intolerance no creed.

it's a bit worrying though, because things like this tend to be self fulfilling. A community isolates itself due to racism (perceived and/or real) from the wider community. This leads to inevitable resentment and the lack of mixing leads to more racism. So the smaller community feels more justified in isolating itself further etc. etc.

I'm probably the only kid who's ever had broccoli and liked it. :p

Nah, I've always loved broccoli, ever since I was a toddler.

Don't judge me! :eek:

I mean Merry Christmas was taken off all the christams decorations and seasons greetings instead put on them to "allow all races and religions to celebrate the season." Silliness indeed.
reminds me of the Walmart fiasco.
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Its like the government treats us of minorities as little children with problems who they must please at all times and that really pisses me and a lot of people off. the Gov tries to please you at all times, and you are complaining about it?

I think the gov needs to dis-please you a bit. :D

promoting racial harmony one orgasm at a time!

its a tough job but someone's gotta do it.

Hey, don't be such an overachiever.

I suspect you'll have a lot more converts if you're using "racial harmony one multiple orgasm at a time".

*link blocked for obvious reasons*

Nah, I've always loved broccoli, ever since I was a toddler.

Don't judge me! :eek:

We're in this together. :p

I slept with a black chick. :(

My white girl, whom is a friend, said that's disgusting and I'm a ******. Normally I would shrug it off and have a tall cool glass of orange "not caring" while spending time at www.uninterested.org/snooze.

The white girl was a childhood friend of mine for a really long time though. We haven't talked since.

OP

I say cheers to you for standing up to those bigoted morons.

Not the ONLY one.... ;)

*nods*

Broccoli only tastes bad when it's not cooked properly. Well cooked, it's actually one of the better tasting vegies.

Well I had those lovely word shouted at me today. The reason? I'm an indian guy with majority white friends. Story time:

So I had just finished work and had arranged to meet some of my friends at a pub. We were sitting there having a nice chat and beer when some guys I knew (other Indian guys) came in and looked at me in, what I can only describe as, disgust. I ignored it for a while but they just kept staring and muttering. I couldn't take it as I'd had a crappy day at work so I turned to them and asked if they had a problem. This was the response:

"There is a slight problem actually. You should be sitting here with us instead of those white bastards. You are a guy who has Indian heritage and you do not respect it."

That really got to me. I was looking at some guys I had known for years and most of them had never set foot in India while I'd spent in total of a year there, living with my grandparents and helping them on their farms. I shouted them at this and the next thing I hear from one of them:

"You are a traitor!" he stood up with his friends and started walking towards us. We also stood up expecting trouble. Luckily we're regulars in that pub and we know the landlord quite well. He stood in front of the group and shouted:

"GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY PUB! YOU'RE BARRED!" The looked at us once more and left without another word.

But I ask you this NSG. Is this a sign of our times? We hear more in the news of honour killings, guys being attacked because they have a white girlfrined and vice versa. We try and brush it under the carpet but it seems to me racial tension and violence even against those, like myself, who don't give a damn about a persons race is becoming more dangerous. What say you NSG?

Unfortunately, dipshits come in all shapes and colors. :(

Unfortunately, dipshits come in all shapes and colors. :(

They're generally referred to as 'anonymous' for that reason. :p

[...]What irks me is all these 'protective' policies that keep popping up. I mean Merry Christmas was taken off all the christams decorations and seasons greetings instead put on them to "allow all races and religions to celebrate the season." To my awareness there had never been any problems beforehand where people of different religions and races would come together and everyone enjoyed the time.

when this was put forward by our council all religions were in an uproar saying that this divided the close community instead of uniting it and I agreed with them. Its like the government treats us of minorities as little children with problems who they must please at all times and that really pisses me and a lot of people off.[...]


Quick, time for a language game! Take the assbackwards mentality that conceives of such policies-- what do we call it? Political Correctness! Referred to as what, for short? Yes! PC! Now flip em around and you get? CP. And what can CP be an acronym for, that reflects the behaviour of overly PC policy-makers? That's right! Condescending Paternalism! :) Yaaaay, what fun!

Seriously, though; the greater part of me agrees with you and the majority of respondents on here-- those other guys were idiots for presuming that because they have this 'racial solidarity' thing going on that you'd subscribe like some lemming. However some of the points that have been made to try and explain why they might have their attitude- intersections of race and classism, disenfranchisement, etc- do offer some potential insight into their sense of grievance. And really, it's easy to preach about how bad an insular, "us vs. them" mentality is... until you catch yourself doing it. I still believe that no matter how open-minded and progressive and cool have been the many people I've met, *no one* is 100% "-ism"-free. Everyone gets antsy towards someone, be they black, white, yellow, brown, fat, skinny, male, female, trans, gay, bi, straight, left-handed, Muslim, atheist, Evangelical, or whatever. It's a well-known Human behaviour to form peer groups that exclude somebody, for good or bad, whether we like it or not, no matter how long or loudly we sing Khumbaya. Everyone but everyone has some kind of -ism, however minor, however discreet or resisted. And by extension, judgements arise about those who don't keep with "their own kind," whether they be the "Uncle Tom's" or the "wiggers" or whatever. Who, honestly, has gone their whole lives without ever- even once- harbour such a thought?

By way of mea culpa, I'm more of a heterophobe than anything else-- part of me is very wary and untrusting of straight people because on some level I assume they take everything for granted and- given the right (bad) circumstances would oppress me as quickly, as thoughtlessly and naturally as we squish insects. So- as some on here will no doubt attest, if they remember posts I've made on my really militant days- sometimes, yeah, I get this gut reaction to other queer people cozying up to heteros. "Kept faggots," I think, "pandering to the straights, deluding themselves into thinking that if they ever start rounding us up for concentration camps that their breeder 'friends' will hide them in the attic instead of falling over each other to collect the reward." It's downright venomous. I get mental pictures of guys lined up against brick walls crying "et tu, Brute" as their 'loyal' fag hags load the rifles. So no way I stand totally clean and say "shame on them;" all I'm qualified to advise is that they- like all of us- work to get over it.

I really think history's the problem-- if you belong (or even appear to belong) to any group that's been tread on in the past, and if you get hung up on the idea of "those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it," you see "them," the former repressors, as future repressors just waiting to happen. Enter the 'bunker' attitude, the instinct to 'keep to and protect your own,' distrust for to xenos and suspicion of anyone who 'collaborates' with them. Someone should do a study to see if history majors from minority groups are more likely to be strong nationalists. But anyway... my point is, rather than decrying everyone else their awful prejudices, it might be more constructive to make sure we know what our own are, and try to understand their root causes, and make sure we're all working at reconciling them instead of being bewildered that someone else could feel "that way."

I slept with a black chick. :(

My white girl, whom is a friend, said that's disgusting and I'm a ******. Normally I would shrug it off and have a tall cool glass of orange "not caring" while spending time at www.uninterested.org/snooze.

The white girl was a childhood friend of mine for a really long time though. We haven't talked since.

Are you sad that you slept with a black woman, or sad that your friend is a racist?

*snip*

I feel like a freak. My parents had friends from all walks of life, orientations, and many cultures -- and made sure to take us to museums and on trips to see how others live and experience their food, their music, et cetera. I'm always unpleasantly surprised when I get the "you don't belong here" treatment, simply because it never occurs to me to see people in that way.

It's really sad that people are more interested in the things that divide us rather than those things that unite us.

My daughter saw the same thing on her ship when she was in the Navy. Even though people worked in the same shop, during meals or recreation, all the African-Americans would sit apart, not because they were made to but because the chose to. They would then get after any African-American who chose to sit with a white friend and would not permit any white person to sit with them. It's just sad.

It's really sad that people are more interested in the things that divide us rather than those things that unite us.

My daughter saw the same thing on her ship when she was in the Navy. Even though people worked in the same shop, during meals or recreation, all the African-Americans would sit apart, not because they were made to but because the chose to. They would then get after any African-American who chose to sit with a white friend and would not permit any white person to sit with them. It's just sad.

That happens at my school.

Oh noes, a race traitor. How will you sleep at night?
Amusing answer: With some white wimminz

haha...i thought the same answer...

Here's a thing though. Was watching this Desi comic on Comedy Central. Now... the guy's name is Russell Peters, but he IS in fact Indian. He did a bit about how he felt bad for white people because we are accused of being the most racist when he said in fact white people weren't NEARLY as racist as everyone else. (not sure I buy that, but... probably it depends upon what part of the country you're from.) He then does a bit where two Indian guys meet each other. "You are from India? I am from India, too. I am from Punjab, where are you from?" "I am Bengali" "Stay the fuck away from me you stupid bastard."

It is true to some extent. Indians have their share of bigots and racists like every other society/group. You won't notice it immediately...but there is an amount of obsession with "fair skin" in India (hangover from colonial days and that Aryan theory).

I know, but what is the likelihood that in a thread about a near brawl in a pub between white pub goers and Indian pub goers, a Native American would chime in, "I'm Indian too?"

I understood the context very well. However, when someone from the US says "I'm Indian" and I am not looking at them...well. There are many people here in the US who would chime in...

Alright, in more than one sense then. In that case, I hope for your sake you ignore Oklatex and learn some foreign cooking. I'd recommend Indian.

Even Oklatex likes Indian cooking. :fluffle: We have a very good Indian restaurant here in Tulsa.

I understood the context very well. However, when someone from the US says "I'm Indian" and I am not looking at them...well. There are many people here in the US who would chime in...

not all of us live in indian country.

i remember hearing a chris rock bit about how (american) indians have it the worst and how you never seen an indian family kicking back at red lobster. i thought "i see that all the time".

but i live in new mexico.

Never been called a traitor by other Indians, but I WAS called a "little terrorist" by my friend's little brother at a party last night, in a tone of (not-faked) disgust. They live out in hick country in North Jersey. Now, I was hammered at this point, but even when I'm drunk I'm usually a fairly docile person. I should also add that I'm Indian, and raised Hindu (though I am an agnostic now). I mention all of this mostly because, bare seconds after this was said, I had to be restrained from nearly throttling the little bastard. I wonder if anyone else of the brownies here has ever had this problem?

Off-topic: Hangover + Sushi = BAAAAAD
I feel absurdly bad right now.

Never been called a traitor by other Indians, but I WAS called a "little terrorist" by my friend's little brother at a party last night, in a tone of (not-faked) disgust. They live out in hick country in North Jersey. Now, I was hammered at this point, but even when I'm drunk I'm usually a fairly docile person. I should also add that I'm Indian, and raised Hindu (though I am an agnostic now). I mention all of this mostly because, bare seconds after this was said, I had to be restrained from nearly throttling the little bastard. I wonder if anyone else of the brownies here has ever had this problem?

Off-topic: Hangover + Sushi = BAAAAAD
I feel absurdly bad right now.

how young was the little brother?

how embarassed was your friend?

how young was the little brother?

how embarassed was your friend?

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She was appalled. She's a mild racist herself, but not to the point of insulting people to their faces.

I wonder if anyone else of the brownies here has ever had this problem?

I was once asked some silly questions about India by a casual acquaintance (I hear people die in trains due to suffocation:rolleyes:)...other than that I don't get crap from people around...maybe because I work in IT and most of the people around me are already exposed a bit about Indians and I have no problems hanging out with white/black/hispanic/whatever folks at a bar etc...

Are you sad that you slept with a black woman, or sad that your friend is a racist?

I was more disappointed in my friend's overt racism. However, the other girl certainly has room for improvement.

Its too bad people are like that.

And yet unrestricted immigration is success? Multiculturalism and an institutionalised derision for all things white and pre-1960's have ushered in a culturally diverse utopia?

To quote Boycott; "don't say I didn't warn you".

And yet unrestricted immigration is success? Multiculturalism and an institutionalised derision for all things white and pre-1960's have ushered in a culturally diverse utopia?

To quote Boycott; "don't say I didn't warn you".

You've got an extremely warped view of the world. I recommend deep breathing and possibly some counseling.

In simplist terms: a bunch of jerks, you can forget it. Honostly,they just were probably drunk or something. When people ask me "where are you from" do you know what my response is. America. Then they say no your heritage and I reply American. Its that simple. You're not a traitor or anyhting. What your not allowed to have friends who are a different color. Forget them. Were you born in England?Yes, then your English. No, but you're an English citizen,you're not a traitor. You're an illegal immigrant, having friends doesn't make you a traitor. Selling government secrets to your country's sworn enemy is traitorious. No having friends.

Patriotism is love of one's country.

Nationalism is love of one's nation - i.e. cultural/ethnic subgroup.

Patriotism becomes Nationalism if love for one's country becomes a tool for exclusivity, rather than inclusiveness.

Nazis :sniper:

When people ask me "where are you from" do you know what my response is. America. Then they say no your heritage and I reply American.

Do people actually ask you that sort of thing?

In simplist terms: a bunch of jerks, you can forget it. Honostly,they just were probably drunk or something. When people ask me "where are you from" do you know what my response is. America. Then they say no your heritage and I reply American. Its that simple. You're not a traitor or anyhting. What your not allowed to have friends who are a different color. Forget them. Were you born in England?Yes, then your English. No, but you're an English citizen,you're not a traitor. You're an illegal immigrant, having friends doesn't make you a traitor. Selling government secrets to your country's sworn enemy is traitorious. No having friends.


Citizenship and actually belonging to a nation are only directly equated if one likes, to quote A.G.Dickens (an author you won't have read, I wager) "arid legalism". Do I consider the son of two Polish migrants, but born in England, to be English? No. Do I consider the plethora of great Englishment born in colonies to governers and the like not to be English? No.


Incidentally, what are "simplist terms"?

I feel like a freak. My parents had friends from all walks of life, orientations, and many cultures -- and made sure to take us to museums and on trips to see how others live and experience their food, their music, et cetera. I'm always unpleasantly surprised when I get the "you don't belong here" treatment, simply because it never occurs to me to see people in that way.

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I hate it when that happens!

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Those people were out of line, obviously, and though I've heard about that stuff happening plenty of times before, I still don't get it. :(

Oh noes, a race traitor. How will you sleep at night?
Amusing answer: With some white wimminz

I'm a race traitor, too- I hang out with white people and was once married to a Jew.
Funny, but I don't seem to be shedding a tear.

Well I had those lovely word shouted at me today. The reason? I'm an indian guy with majority white friends. Story time:

So I had just finished work and had arranged to meet some of my friends at a pub. We were sitting there having a nice chat and beer when some guys I knew (other Indian guys) came in and looked at me in, what I can only describe as, disgust. I ignored it for a while but they just kept staring and muttering. I couldn't take it as I'd had a crappy day at work so I turned to them and asked if they had a problem. This was the response:

"There is a slight problem actually. You should be sitting here with us instead of those white bastards. You are a guy who has Indian heritage and you do not respect it."

That really got to me. I was looking at some guys I had known for years and most of them had never set foot in India while I'd spent in total of a year there, living with my grandparents and helping them on their farms. I shouted them at this and the next thing I hear from one of them:

"You are a traitor!" he stood up with his friends and started walking towards us. We also stood up expecting trouble. Luckily we're regulars in that pub and we know the landlord quite well. He stood in front of the group and shouted:

"GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY PUB! YOU'RE BARRED!" The looked at us once more and left without another word.

But I ask you this NSG. Is this a sign of our times? We hear more in the news of honour killings, guys being attacked because they have a white girlfrined and vice versa. We try and brush it under the carpet but it seems to me racial tension and violence even against those, like myself, who don't give a damn about a persons race is becoming more dangerous. What say you NSG?

Man I understand perfectly what you mean.

I'm always getting into trouble for critisising casteist or Indian/Punjabi culture when I see it effecting Sikhi.

I get everything from the 'How should a gora like you understand?', to the bad looks when I got to gurdwara. People are strange, and set in their ways.

I shrug and let them get on with it, whilst at the same time, making sure I never stand with my backs towards these people.

I am the spawn of race traitors. :)

Citizenship and actually belonging to a nation are only directly equated if one likes, to quote A.G.Dickens (an author you won't have read, I wager) "arid legalism". Do I consider the son of two Polish migrants, but born in England, to be English? No. Do I consider the plethora of great Englishment born in colonies to governers and the like not to be English? No.


Incidentally, what are "simplist terms"?

What are 'Englishment' and 'governers'?

I've been called a race traitor by this one guy at my school who I know to be a ridiculous racist anyway, for not supporting the PRC due to its evil dictatorship qualities as well as believing Singapore is a nicer place than Malaysia. That's about it, though. Is the UK worse for this sort of thing than Australia?

When people ask me "where are you from" do you know what my response is. America. Then they say no your heritage and I reply American.

No need to be annoying about it, y'know...

What are 'Englishment' and 'governers'?

I've been called a race traitor by this one guy at my school who I know to be a ridiculous racist anyway, for not supporting the PRC due to its evil dictatorship qualities as well as believing Singapore is a nicer place than Malaysia. That's about it, though. Is the UK worse for this sort of thing than Australia?

Yep. It's wonderful:)

Behind the veneer of multiculturalism lies a seething mass of nationalism.

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She was appalled. She's a mild racist herself, but not to the point of insulting people to their faces.

whoa that is far too old to be that stupid. i thought you would say 12 so that he would only be inaccurately parrotting what he hears around him.

whoa that is far too old to be that stupid. i thought you would say 12 so that he would only be inaccurately parrotting what he hears around him.

Nope. Old enough to know better.

Man I understand perfectly what you mean.

I'm always getting into trouble for critisising casteist or Indian/Punjabi culture when I see it effecting Sikhi.

I get everything from the 'How should a gora like you understand?', to the bad looks when I got to gurdwara. People are strange, and set in their ways.

I shrug and let them get on with it, whilst at the same time, making sure I never stand with my backs towards these people.

I'm glad to be Bengali.

Not the ONLY one.... ;)

My family like broccoli.

My family like broccoli.

Huh green and tastey?

Very tastey :p .

Well I had those lovely word shouted at me today. The reason? I'm an indian guy with majority white friends. Story time:

So I had just finished work and had arranged to meet some of my friends at a pub. We were sitting there having a nice chat and beer when some guys I knew (other Indian guys) came in and looked at me in, what I can only describe as, disgust. I ignored it for a while but they just kept staring and muttering. I couldn't take it as I'd had a crappy day at work so I turned to them and asked if they had a problem. This was the response:

"There is a slight problem actually. You should be sitting here with us instead of those white bastards. You are a guy who has Indian heritage and you do not respect it."

That really got to me. I was looking at some guys I had known for years and most of them had never set foot in India while I'd spent in total of a year there, living with my grandparents and helping them on their farms. I shouted them at this and the next thing I hear from one of them:

"You are a traitor!" he stood up with his friends and started walking towards us. We also stood up expecting trouble. Luckily we're regulars in that pub and we know the landlord quite well. He stood in front of the group and shouted:

"GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY PUB! YOU'RE BARRED!" The looked at us once more and left without another word.

But I ask you this NSG. Is this a sign of our times? We hear more in the news of honour killings, guys being attacked because they have a white girlfrined and vice versa. We try and brush it under the carpet but it seems to me racial tension and violence even against those, like myself, who don't give a damn about a persons race is becoming more dangerous. What say you NSG?

It was inevitable.

In the summer, 1993, issue of Foreign Affairs, Samuel P. Huntington, of Harvard's Olin Institute for Strategic Studies, published a thought-provoking article called "The Clash of Civilizations?" The world, he argues, has been moving during the course of this century from nation-state conflict to ideological conflict to, finally, cultural conflict. I would add that as refugee flows increase and as peasants continue migrating to cities around the world--turning them into sprawling villages--national borders will mean less, even as more power will fall into the hands of less educated, less sophisticated groups. In the eyes of these uneducated but newly empowered millions, the real borders are the most tangible and intractable ones: those of culture and tribe. Huntington writes, "First, differences among civilizations are not only real; they are basic," involving, among other things, history, language, and religion. "Second . . . interactions between peoples of different civilizations are increasing; these increasing interactions intensify civilization consciousness." Economic modernization is not necessarily a panacea, since it fuels individual and group ambitions while weakening traditional loyalties to the state

Huntington predicted the clashes in Africa (and their basis in culture and religion) as well as the roots of the conflicts in Iraq and Iran.

Very tastey :p .

And green?

Huntington predicted the clashes in Africa (and their basis in culture and religion) as well as the roots of the conflicts in Iraq and Iran.

And this ladies and gentalmen is why pride in nation, culture or religion is bogus.

And this ladies and gentalmen is why pride in nation, culture or religion is bogus.

It may be bogus, but it's there.

We've gone through stages, as Huntington wrote. Religion. Nation-state. And now, we're moving into cultural war.

Ehhh. Never went through something like that. Closest I can think of is that I once dated a girl who I only found out had pretty rotten views after we got together.

In short it went like this. We were together 3 weeks. Happiest couple. Then she visits me in surprise one day,.. I have my ex-girlfriend and her brother (who I know from grade school) at my apartment, both of whom are of black Caribbean heritage.
Anyway she kept her mouth shut for most of the time she was there. But once they left I got a torrent of pure trash flung at me in short;

Her; "How can you hang around with such people?"
Me; "huh? They are nice people. I know them since ages. And she was the **** I was talking about, my ex."
Her; "bla bla bla"
Her (later); "How can you debase yourself like that though. F**** monkeys."

Anyway the relationship somehow didn't recover that arguement. She was drop dead beautiful and finished on honor roll,.. was also 2nd best in her university class somehow too perfect to be true,....but her head was f***ed in a whole different way concerning humanity, ethics and race.

Wtf?

I hang out with Indians/Pakistani guys ALL the time, and I'm a cracker mind you. Since my accent is so perfect, I've been refered to as, "Half Indian Brother."

Then again, I don't live in the UK where people are only tollerant to people instead of accepting.

Wtf?

I hang out with Indians/Pakistani guys ALL the time, and I'm a cracker mind you. Since my accent is so perfect, I've been refered to as, "Half Indian Brother."

Then again, I don't live in the UK where people are only tollerant to people instead of accepting.

Ohh I wouldn't say that, over here in the UK we are both tolerant and understanding about other cultures.

The answer to these race problems is simple isn't it

MASSIVE INTERRACIAL BREEDING!!!!

I know I'll do my part....:D

Yeah. First a single world culture then a single world race and we can finally eliminate poverty, racism and war and focus on moving from Earth.

"When one has nothing to be proud of, he becomes proud of his nationality."

"A patriot thinks his country is better than all others simply by the virtue of him being born into it."

"A patriot thinks his country is better than all others simply by the virtue of him being born into it."

Heh I don't get that? Say I wonder if that is the type of irrationality that Dawkins fella speaks about!