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I think we should all implant microchips into our new born so we can keep crime down and keep a eye on our citezens what do you think

I think we should all implant microchips into our new born so we can keep crime down and keep a eye on our citezens what do you think
That we shouldn't.

No. Go back to North Korea.

I think punctuation exists for a good reason.

No. Go back to North Korea.
Nah, North Korea is too fucked up to produce microchips.:p

Big Brother is inside your heads, stealin your thoughts. :eek:

Big Brother is inside your heads, stealin your thoughts. :eek:

They did that once.

Then they returned them and apologized, gave me $300 and ran away screaming. They haven't tried again since. :p

First of all, you don't have citezens, you have citizens.

Perhaps we should start there before we move into implants... :)

no, we shouldn't.

The consensus seems to be no.

I am all for that consensus, so no.

I think we should all implant microchips into our new born so we can keep crime down and keep a eye on our citezens what do you think

Doubleplusgood uncrimethink![/sarcasm]

But think of the benefits. We could stop crime, you can put your bank account info on it, so you don't have to worry anymore if you lost your credit/debit card :) No more hassle with money, you just let your head be scanned at the shop. The same for your medical profile, all stored on the chip so when you travel abroad the doctor knows more than enough to give you the right medication :)

Come on, don't you see the bliss here :p

Besides, what about connecting the chip to internet, so that you can learn wikipedia by heart. And read your emails at the back of your eyelids...

But think of the benefits. We could stop crime, you can put your bank account info on it, so you don't have to worry anymore if you lost your credit/debit card :) No more hassle with money, you just let your head be scanned at the shop. The same for your medical profile, all stored on the chip so when you travel abroad the doctor knows more than enough to give you the right medication :)

Come on, don't you see the bliss here :p

Besides, what about connecting the chip to internet, so that you can learn wikipedia by heart. And read your emails at the back of your eyelids...

Porn! :eek:

Can you overclock it? :p

Is that the modern equivalent to a number tattooed in your forearm?

I should think so, German Nightmare.

No.

I should think so, German Nightmare.
That's what I thought... :mad:

That's what I thought... :mad:

Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it

Microchip a cat, dog, livestock? sure. A human? Too much chance of abuse.
We're already tracked through our use of credit cards, EZPass, mass transit passes... why should we give anyone the power to know PRECISELY where we are at all times?

Too much risk, ... think of spam in the back of your eyelids.

I think we should all implant microchips into our new born so we can keep crime down and keep a eye on our citezens what do you think

Im in yr headz keepin u downz

The Magna Carta was the day our rights were born that would be the day they died.

I say yes. You can't beat technology, so you might as well join it. Microchip animals, cars, and humans. Mass produce humanoid robots, and hurry up with flying cars and holograms already. Create new organisms and perfect cloning.

It's no use fighting it, so try to enjoy technology as much as you can.

i think we definitely should not.

Is that the modern equivalent to a number tattooed in your forearm?

24601!

(Yes I know what you meant.)

But think of the benefits. We could stop crime, you can put your bank account info on it, so you don't have to worry anymore if you lost your credit/debit card :) No more hassle with money, you just let your head be scanned at the shop. The same for your medical profile, all stored on the chip so when you travel abroad the doctor knows more than enough to give you the right medication :)

Come on, don't you see the bliss here :p

Besides, what about connecting the chip to internet, so that you can learn wikipedia by heart. And read your emails at the back of your eyelids...

how does implanting microchips into all our citizens prevent crime? are we going to use them to control behavior?

The Magna Carta was the day our rights were born that would be the day they died.

Our rights died a long time ago ...

This would be when we turn from mildly-oppressed citizens into heavily-oppressed subjects.

Absolutely not. Chip implantation should be solely voluntary and should be based entirely on the desires of the person receiving the implant. I may want a chip for medical monitoring, another for bioenhancement purposes and another for use in credit/debit transactions, but that doesn't mean other people will. Fundamental control over our own bodies and what we do to them is a basic right of all free people and should never be compromised in the name of security or efficiency.

It certainly shouldn't be used to track people without their consent or without legal reason to do so (I could see it for repeat offenders). That is a fundamental violation of human rights and the US Constitution.

And this is coming from this board's strongest transhumanist advocate, so you know it might be something to be concerned about. ;)

I think we should all implant microchips into our new born so we can keep crime down and keep a eye on our citezens what do you think

That is a horrible idea, even ignoring the violation of rights.
Do you know how many people it would take to keep track of all those little red blips on the screen? Not to mention the fact that those people would be wearing chips.. so who is watching them eh? Plus, who is to say that red blip number 19391 isn't supposed to be where he or she should be?
The amount of effort it would take for such a useless system is ridiculous.

I think we should all implant microchips into our new born so we can keep crime down and keep a eye on our citezens what do you think

First of all, you don't have citezens, you have citizens.

Perhaps we should start there before we move into implants... :)then can we move to Punctuation?

We're already tracked through our use of credit cards, EZPass, mass transit passes... why should we give anyone the power to know PRECISELY where we are at all times?
ever notice for the EXPass (the Visa commercial) you never see them sign for anything? wow, steal one and instant shopping spree!

then can we move to Punctuation?


ever notice for the EXPass (the Visa commercial) you never see them sign for anything? wow, steal one and instant shopping spree!

not like anyone ever checks the signatures.

not like anyone ever checks the signatures.

my cards say "Check ID". and I thank those that look and ask for ID. others I ask them (after they hand me my purchases) "so... how do you know I just didn't use a stolen credit card?"

[flashback]
One day, while working at a bookstore, a woman gave me her card and there was no signature, I asked for ID and told her she should sign her card. her reply was "but then they will see how I sign it and forge my name."

I looked at her and said, "but if they sign your name on the card, they won't have to forge anything since the signatures will match."

she looked dumbfounded for a moment then she said "Didn't think of that." and signed her card.

my cards say "Check ID". and I thank those that look and ask for ID. others I ask them (after they hand me my purchases) "so... how do you know I just didn't use a stolen credit card?"

[flashback]
One day, while working at a bookstore, a woman gave me her card and there was no signature, I asked for ID and told her she should sign her card. her reply was "but then they will see how I sign it and forge my name."

I looked at her and said, "but if they sign your name on the card, they won't have to forge anything since the signatures will match."

she looked dumbfounded for a moment then she said "Didn't think of that." and signed her card.

In the UK we use chip and pin to verify that the card belongs to the person using it. I was working at Barclaycard earlier in the year and actually had a woman on the phone seriously suggesting that we should put a box on the back of the card so customers can write their pin number on it in order not to forget it.

I didn't even mute the phone, I just laughed until she went away. Some people should be denied credit cards on the grounds that they are too stupid to be allowed them.

Edit: Oh, as for those cards you just swipe over a reader without any ID check, I don't know if it's the same but I know that the cards being piloted over here work in a different way to regular credit cards. You can't make transactions over £10 and after every £50 spent you have to call the company to allow you to keep using it.

Micro chips? OMGZ!!! auntie-christ!shift+111! NWO OH NOEZZZ!

What would be the purpose of monitoring citizens?

Evidently crime cannot be discouraged. The nations with the highest crimes rates are typically also the ones with the most severe justice systems and the most lax privacy laws. And the ones with the least severe justrice systems and tight privacy laws are typically the ones with the lowest crime rates.

So what, other than violating the privacy of the citizens for the sake of it, would be the point?

Macro-chips would be a better idea. Imagine how interesting life you be if you had a massive hunk of circuits and wires sticking out of your arm.

I think we should all implant microchips into our new born so we can keep crime down and keep a eye on our citezens what do you think
How about they don't do that? hmm.

Or if they must, do it voluntarily quid pro quo on your 18th birthday. Something like 'get chipped, and pay less tax/don't do national service/Get money/McDonalds coupons/etc..'

But really, I think I prefer civil freedoms. A little.

I think we should all implant microchips into our new born so we can keep crime down and keep a eye on our citezens what do you think

Only one post and already a troll. Who are you really?

Macro-chips would be a better idea. Imagine how interesting life you be if you had a massive hunk of circuits and wires sticking out of your arm.

*nods* Plus then you could manually upgrade your graphics card, Sound card, RAM, processor, and a whole heap of other things.

What would be the purpose of monitoring citizens?

Evidently crime cannot be discouraged. The nations with the highest crimes rates are typically also the ones with the most severe justice systems and the most lax privacy laws. And the ones with the least severe justrice systems and tight privacy laws are typically the ones with the lowest crime rates.

So what, other than violating the privacy of the citizens for the sake of it, would be the point? Indeed, here is a crazy idea; why don't you decriminalise all of the unnecessarily illegal crimes rather than chipping everyone to prevent them?

Indeed, here is a crazy idea; why don't you decriminalise all of the unnecessarily illegal crimes rather than chipping everyone to prevent them?

Top idea. Decriminalise everything, then there won't be any crime!

I'm pissed, so can I say yes?

I'm pissed, so can I say yes?

Is that pissed as in angry, or pissed as in drunk?

Top idea. Decriminalise everything, then there won't be any crime!Oh, right! He sad something completely different, but obviously that's not what he meant! Thank you so much for telling me the truth!!!

Weeee!

...

Learn to read.

I belive in it so should you

Is that pissed as in angry, or pissed as in drunk?
Drunk. But enough to coherently post with a spell check.

I belive in it so should you

You first.

Drunk. But enough to coherently post with a spell check.

;) I had to ask. Means two separate things depending on the side of the Atlantic you're on.

;) I had to ask. Means two separate things depending on the side of the Atlantic you're on.
Colonials! Taking our jobs, next nor language!;)

Colonials! Taking our jobs, next nor language!;)

*shrugs*

Here, have a bag of u's. ;) We've removed them from a lot of words. ;)

I belive in it so should you

Why?

I belive in it so should you

You belive in it? Okay...

Beyond your horrible spelling, grammar and control of the English language, why should anyone believe in what you believe in? If you want a microchip in your body, go and get one. I don't want one, and if the government ever tried to force me into getting one, I would say "fuck no" and leave the country (or whatever level of government is trying to do this).

OK. Chips in da brains. Are you serious? Do you have any idea how risky a chip implant in your brain would be? In your arm or leg it could work but in your brain? Do you want to have a Corporate Police State where with or without knowing it you are tracked?


*shrugs*

Here, have a bag of u's. ;) We've removed them from a lot of words. ;)

Just send the U's up the border Canada is running out.

Look on the bright side, with microchips in everyone's heads, we could catch trolls like this before they got anywhere near the internet!

Look on the bright side, with microchips in everyone's heads, we could catch trolls like this before they got anywhere near the internet!

Oh noes, that would mean the end to Anonymous!

I like anonymity at some point, so no to chips, but a maybe to fish and chips!

Can you overclock it? :p

If it's implanted inside you, that would hurt.

If it's implanted inside you, that would hurt.Or just the opposite, assuming it draws power from the body. Adds a whole new dimension to "mindnumbing"...

Is that pissed as in angry, or pissed as in drunk?
If he already had the chip, I bet a quick scan would've revealed it!

I don't care what good reasons anyone could present - this goes against my basic right to physical inviolability. So, just to clarify a little further: Hell no!

I think we should all implant microchips into our new born so we can keep crime down and keep a eye on our citezens what do you think

Yah, fersure. I really wasn't using all this privacy anyway. :rolleyes:

ps - actual punctuation is usually a good thing.

I don't care what good reasons anyone could present - this goes against my basic right to physical inviolability. So, just to clarify a little further: Hell no!

And my sense of personal control of one's own body...

Now, trust me, if I am opposed to a given technology, you know it's a bad idea.

Yeah I think it's a totally awesome idea! I also think we should instate a drinking ban on Russia, and I fully support the spice girls reunion.

I belive in it so should you

Because you said so? If you want to actually be taken seriously, your argument needs to consist of more than 'i said so.' At the very least, it should have punctuation. Also, Firefox has a built in spell check. I'd look into it.

Because you said so? If you want to actually be taken seriously, your argument needs to consist of more than 'i said so.' At the very least, it should have punctuation. Also, Firefox has a built in spell check. I'd look into it.

Sorry to hijack but...

IE has a spell checker too! I'm sick of people pretending that it is ingenious for being the only browser with a spell checker.

Carry on...

... chipping people... so what happens when a new version comes out. will we have to be 'upgraded'?

and what of hacking?

and who makes the chips and programs? Microsoft? Intel?

Sorry to hijack but...

IE has a spell checker too! I'm sick of people pretending that it is ingenious for being the only browser with a spell checker.

Carry on...

Didn't know that, I use IE on my dad's comp, and it doesn't check my spelling...

I think we should all implant microchips into our new born so we can keep crime down and keep a eye on our citezens what do you think
No because implanted microchips are supposed to be the "mark of the beast."
(people actually believe that)

Seriously though: It's expensive, uneeded and a huge violation of privacy.
Not to mention no one would be able to work near magnets, solar flares, or EMPs without frying their brains.

I'd find some way to rip mine out ASAP.

All your citezen are belong to us.

Pfft. I don't like that there could be a GPS in a car I might be in. Nevermind sticking a tracking device in a person.

I belive in it so should you

Aside from all the privacy issues, and possibility of abuse, I must admit that the thought of a non-stop transmitter inside my head is not terribly appealing.

There are enough concerns over mobile phones, for crying out loud.
Brains = good.

Can you overclock it? :pDepends if your brian can supply it with enough Watts...