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Tibetans must now obtain permission from China before they reincarnate.

Tibet’s living Buddhas have been banned from reincarnation without permission from China’s atheist leaders. The ban is included in new rules intended to assert Beijing’s authority over Tibet’s restive and deeply Buddhist people.

“The so-called reincarnated living Buddha without government approval is illegal and invalid,” according to the order, which comes into effect on September 1.

The 14-part regulation issued by the State Administration for Religious Affairs is aimed at limiting the influence of Tibet’s exiled god-king, the Dalai Lama, and at preventing the re-incarnation of the 72-year-old monk without approval from Beijing.

Sadly if you read the whole article (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2194682.ece) then you'll find that this hilarious story is spoilt by the presence of a rational reason for the decree. You may prefer to remain in blissful ignorance and enjoy the abridged version. :)

Reincarnate! For freedom!

I can see it now.

Some old guy is having a vision, and suddenly, in the middle of the vision, a Chinese policeman appears in the vision, saying, "What's all this then?"

oh come on

unauthorized reincarnation is a potential risk to public order. if the dalai lama or any other serial reincarnator wants to die and reincarnate inside the people's republic it is only right that he should have to fill out a little paperwork first.

Wouldn't they just reincarnate outside China then?

Wouldn't they just reincarnate outside China then?

Violation!
*throws flag for out of bounds*

oh come on

unauthorized reincarnation is a potential risk to public order. if the dalai lama or any other serial reincarnator wants to die and reincarnate inside the people's republic it is only right that he should have to fill out a little paperwork first.


I could not agree more. The Peoples' Repupblic of China has a legitmate reason for disallowing these so called Budhist to reincarnate as the sons and prime heirs of leading party officials.

Wouldn't they just reincarnate outside China then?

Raises the question, at what point are you breaking the law? If you die in China and reincarnate in India is that illegal? What if you die in India and reincarnate in China?

Perhaps by reincarnating you are violating the 1 child policy and your parents will be fined or hanged or something.

Sadly if you read the whole article (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2194682.ece) then you'll find that this hilarious story is spoilt by the presence of a rational reason for the decree.

Not really; Even with a political motivation, it still seems to be a really stupid way to try and exert more control over Tibet. How exactly does China expect to stop The Dalai Lama reincarnating, anyway? I don't claim to be an expert on Buddhism, but I doubt the eternal-cosmic-soul-that-is part-of-all-things-in-the-universe will have a propensity to obey the whim of the People's Republic.

Also, it seems kind of odd that a government which holds the stance that all religions are falsehoods would choose to believe in a religious tenet simply for the sake of a political advantage.

this hilarious story is spoilt by the presence of a rational reason for the decree. You may prefer to remain in blissful ignorance and enjoy the abridged version. :)

Actually, no, attempting to tighten the grip of an unpopular occupational government is irrational.

unauthorized reincarnation is a potential risk to public order. if the dalai lama or any other serial reincarnator wants to die and reincarnate inside the people's republic it is only right that he should have to fill out a little paperwork first.

It'll be real interesting to see what happens when HH passes away. There are already dual claimants to the Panchen Lama (the Lama responsible for recognising the Dali Lama).

Wouldn't they just reincarnate outside China then?

:D Indeed this is so. HH has stated that his next incarnation will be born in a free land, not occupied by the PRC.

The Dalai Lama, who turns 64 today, says if his successor is chosen in the traditional way, then his reincarnation would not appear in Tibet or areas under Chinese control. "Should people prefer the old system of choosing a reincarnation -- then Dalai Lama's reincarnation will appear in a free country, and not in Chinese hand as the purpose of a reincarnation is to carry the work started by the previous life and yet not fulfilled," reports PTI.

"Logically," he says, "the previous life escaped from Chinese hands so the next life should also be out of Chinese control."

http://www.tibet.com/DL/next-reincarnation.html

Perhaps by reincarnating you are violating the 1 child policy and your parents will be fined or hanged or something.

Well, if 1 kid is one chance at being the incarnation of Buddha, having 2 kids is twice the chance. And so on.

I'm sure they thought of this as well.

So... are they gonna start tagging people's souls to make sure they don't reincarnate without a license? >>;

So... are they gonna start tagging people's souls to make sure they don't reincarnate without a license? >>;

If it's another excuse to create bureaucracy, then yes.

We are not supporters of commumist,or any parties,we are supporters of any government that really care about people's welbeing,a government that can lead their people to a better future ,a government that make efforts in strengthening our nation as whole,a nation including People in Tibet and Tanwan.
the situation in tibet is complicated ,reglion is sometimes not merely about religion, for there are people tending to snatch tibet from china in the name of so called"free reglion"or "unique culture".all TRUE chinese shall not allow this happen.
territory integration is above all.if Buddha say tibet is not part of china,we will fight aginst so called Buddha,LET ALONE DISAPPEARANCES OF LAMAS (even i am not clear about if there is or how many lamas "disappeared")if God say Taiwan is an independent country, then go back to ur western,u are not our GOD. as for stupid and evil Chen-shui bian, any way i will go to spit on his grave wherever he is buried..LOL WORLD PEACE .
And people say the US is the worlds only source of racist idiots and blind nationalists.

:D Indeed this is so. HH has stated that his next incarnation will be born in a free land, not occupied by the PRC.



http://www.tibet.com/DL/next-reincarnation.html
Most excellent, I was just going to ask about that.

The paperwork should be fun.

First, one would have to file a form 141-D-112-205, Request for Permission to Die (Section D for the Dalai Lama, Section P for the Panchen Lama). If you are minor religious functionary, file 141-Dm-112-205-c. If you are a normal person file 141-Dnp-112-205-c.

For the Lamas a form 141-Im-124-666 requesting reincarnation in Tibet, 141-Io-124-667 for reincarnation outside of Tibet, but still in Asia. 141-Io-125-667a for reincarnation in Europe - and so on.

Minor Buddhists and lay people would file forms based on what brand of Buddhism they practice, where they wish to reincarnate, whether they are going to reincarnate as animals (if so, what kind of animal) or people (if so, what ethnicity, gender and class or caste).

Then, at birth, a form 336-T-25I, Intent to File for Reincarnation Rights (form 336-T-25IR for Intent to File for Reincarnation Rites).

A whole bureaucracy could be established just to deal with this issue. A victory for paperpushers everywhere.

I think they should do it. By the time they finish creating the bureaucracy and the attendant peperwork, hiring and training functionaries and building offices, they'll be so distracted by this trivia, they'll be unable to concentrate on the economic destruction of the West.

Next thing you know, the Tibetans'll get around that Chinese No Reincarnation law by learning how to Regenerate.

Next thing you know, the Tibetans'll get around that Chinese No Reincarnation law by learning how to Regenerate.

Regeneration Control Laws, duh.

This is like fixing a leaky boat by plugging a finger on the leaks.

whats the penalty? death?

so they can reincarnate again. :D

Raises the question, at what point are you breaking the law? If you die in China and reincarnate in India is that illegal? What if you die in India and reincarnate in China?

What if you die in either and come back as in Belgium?

Reincarnate! For freedom!

:D
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/Thread.jpg
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That jpg's startin' to unravel, even if it is pertinent.
Perhaps i should bug Ruffy for a new one ... or, maybe even, i might doc one up.
I probably won't though.

The paperwork should be fun.

First, one would have to file a form 141-D-112-205, Request for Permission to Die (Section D for the Dalai Lama, Section P for the Panchen Lama). If you are minor religious functionary, file 141-Dm-112-205-c. If you are a normal person file 141-Dnp-112-205-c.

For the Lamas a form 141-Im-124-666 requesting reincarnation in Tibet, 141-Io-124-667 for reincarnation outside of Tibet, but still in Asia. 141-Io-125-667a for reincarnation in Europe - and so on.

Minor Buddhists and lay people would file forms based on what brand of Buddhism they practice, where they wish to reincarnate, whether they are going to reincarnate as animals (if so, what kind of animal) or people (if so, what ethnicity, gender and class or caste).

Then, at birth, a form 336-T-25I, Intent to File for Reincarnation Rights (form 336-T-25IR for Intent to File for Reincarnation Rites).

A whole bureaucracy could be established just to deal with this issue. A victory for paperpushers everywhere.

I think they should do it. By the time they finish creating the bureaucracy and the attendant peperwork, hiring and training functionaries and building offices, they'll be so distracted by this trivia, they'll be unable to concentrate on the economic destruction of the West.

This so totally has essence du Vetalia.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12954734&postcount=14

:p

The government should flat out ban religion all out as far as I am concerned, they should view it as a blessing, they are being freed from an ignorant and irrational mindset.

And people say the US is the worlds only source of racist idiots and blind nationalists.

never said the u.s. was the world's only source of anything. just refusing to deny that it very much one of them, and rather prominent in a small number of areas.

at any rate, the likelyhood of anyone living one life on this earth, being reborn on the one planet likely to support life in our/this solar system, considering the vastness of the rest of the universe, and the number of solar systems/planets in it, even in our own milkey galaxy that surrounds it, likely for there to be creative spirtual persons living on them, does not seem overwhelmingly great.

there are many sides of course to everything, but what the p.r.c. is doing to tibet, is still fundimentally, and for the most part, among the many wrongnessess taking place in our today's world.

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Not really; Even with a political motivation, it still seems to be a really stupid way to try and exert more control over Tibet. How exactly does China expect to stop The Dalai Lama reincarnating, anyway? I don't claim to be an expert on Buddhism, but I doubt the eternal-cosmic-soul-that-is part-of-all-things-in-the-universe will have a propensity to obey the whim of the People's Republic.


I by no means try to say I'm an expert on this, but from what I understood from a buddhist friend of mine, the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama (the wordly and the religious head of Tibet, respectively) have to accept each other/each other's reincarnations for what they are before they can "take office". Seeing how the "real", i.e. buddhistically/traditionally "chosen/discovered" Panchen Lama has miraculously and of course without Chinese involvement disappeared and a new, China-approved Panchen Lama installed, they now have control over who will or will not officially be (allowed to be) declared the rightful new (incarnation of) the Dalai Lama, should the current 14th edition pass away.

So yeah, they'll have no holds over how, where, and when the Dalai Lama will reincranate (if you believe in that), but they'll have a hand in whether or not such a reincarnation will be made officially accepted and the "office" granted or not. That doesn't mean the Tibetians won't choose and "worship" their "rightful" incarnation no matter whether China approves or not, but he can't have the official post unless the Panchen Lama (or the guy who currently holds this office, rightfully or not), who is basically a Chinese puppet now, approves of him.